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Channel log from 17 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:42 | <cryptom> hi all, on the ltsp wiki I found information about special ltsp support in ubuntu breezy. Now, we have egdy, how well integrated is ltsp now?
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| 01:48 | <MrMoo> its good in dapper and edgy
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| 01:48 | however swap and local media support arrived in edgy
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| 01:49 | <cryptom> ok, thanks
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| 01:49 | I'm an admin in a school, we have a windows domain (with dhcp, ad and everything), but I would like to provide linux
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| 01:50 | is it possible to have dual boot (windows und pxe linux)?
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| 01:50 | <MrMoo> yup, its pretty much single boot with an option to pxe boot from the bios
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| 01:50 | you could always install the client locally though
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| 01:51 | <cryptom> i dont understand, sorry
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| 01:51 | i ve never used pxe
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| 01:51 | <MrMoo> pxe is booting from the network
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| 01:51 | <cryptom> yes, and how is it activated (by the pupil)?
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| 01:52 | <MrMoo> the computer bios does it for you
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| 01:52 | depends on you hardware
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| 01:52 | <cryptom> ok, so how do I make sure, windows can also be started?
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| 01:52 | <MrMoo> that depends on whether you need a mixed environment
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| 01:52 | for example
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| 01:53 | you could default to pxe boot
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| 01:53 | then if a ltsp server is not running the machines would boot into windows
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| 01:53 | usually the easiest method :/
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| 01:53 | (i would think)
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| 01:54 | <cryptom> hmm, but the server should always run, and the pupils should be able to choose (when booting) whether they want to start linux or windows
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| 01:54 | <MrMoo> some machines have a "press F12" to network boot option
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| 01:54 | depends on your hardware
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| 01:54 | <cryptom> ok, I will check that, thanks
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| 01:59 | <cryptom> MrMoo, my personal notebook has the F12 option, but the school PCs don't.
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| 02:00 | <MrMoo> are the network cards on board the mobo or separate?
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| 02:00 | do they support PXE? you might have to buy PXE EPROM modules for them
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| 02:01 | <cryptom> MrDarkUser, sorry, I was probably unclear: the PCs support PXE, but I did not see the possibility to press F12 to initiate network booting
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| 02:01 | MrDarkUser, sorry, was intended for MrMoo... silly Tab-completion
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| 02:02 | <MrMoo> k
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| 02:02 | There are always alternatives to make things easier
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| 02:02 | <cryptom> the network cards are onboard
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| 02:03 | or is it possible to provide a boot menu, while booting with pxe?
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| 02:03 | <MrMoo> you can use a boot cd, usb flash, or even dos partition to boot using http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 02:04 | Then you can use Microsoft's boot menu, grub, lilo, or any other boot manager
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| 02:05 | <cryptom> ok, I'll try that
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| 02:08 | <MrMoo> I hope Xorg 7.2 makes it into Edgy as an update, the new AMD/Geode driver will be nice
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| 02:10 | <cryptom> MrMoo, when using a dos partition and microsofts boot menu, I need to choose the dos file on rom-o-matic, right?
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| 02:11 | <MrMoo> Yup
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| 02:11 | and run from FreeDOS I would guess if you don't have MS-DOS
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| 02:12 | <cryptom> aha, of course, i need to install that as well... can't be executed directly from the boot menu... thanks
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| 02:13 | <MrMoo> you could but it would be a bit tedious
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| 02:13 | <cryptom> meaning?
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| 02:13 | <MrMoo> basically install an ltsp client on the server then create a EXT2 partition on the client machine and copy all the files over and setup grub
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| 02:14 | using the dos partition but rom-o-matic image still loads the client from the server
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| 02:14 | the down side is upgrading and reconfiguring is rather more complicated
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| 02:15 | <cryptom> ok
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| 02:15 | <MrMoo> for another alternative you can run a LTSP client in VMware Player on windows :D
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| 02:16 | <cryptom> I used to load kubuntu within vmware player, but i hate having to boot windows in order to boot linux ;-)
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| 02:16 | <MrMoo> or use an Xserver in Windows and login via XDMC :)
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| 02:16 | <cryptom> is there a free Xserver for windows?
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| 02:17 | <MrMoo> Cygwin is easy
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| 02:17 | there are a couple of others, wikipedia has a list
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| 02:17 | <cryptom> so, I could start windows, run the xserver and connect as a thinclient with ltsp or would that be something entirely different?
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| 02:18 | <MrMoo> or the bizarre login to Linux via RDP with the RDP2X11 proxy
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| 02:18 | it would be traditional LTSP mode
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| 02:18 | traditional LTSP uses XDMCP networking, Ubuntu LTSP tunnels it inside SSH
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| 02:19 | <cryptom> ok
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| 02:19 | <MrMoo> If you spent the time you could probably do the same with Cygwin as it has ssh too
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| 02:19 | <cryptom> ok, I'd like to use the ubuntu version as I'm using kubuntu in our school environment
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| 02:20 | <MrMoo> Both actually work with Kubuntu :)
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| 02:20 | <cryptom> so the freedos installation with rom-o-matic image would work? can the windows dhcp server be used for both (normal windows, pxe linux)?
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| 02:20 | <MrMoo> Although the Xorg server has TCP connections disabled by default for security
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| 02:21 | <MrMoo> you need some extra options on DHCP it might be listed in the wiki.ltsp.org
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| 02:21 | <MrMoo> DHCP tells the machine where to load the Linux kernel
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| 02:22 | Windows would just ignore it
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| 02:25 | Obviously going the DOS method you should disable PXE in the BIOS
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| 02:36 | <cryptom> MrMoo, ok, of course, I'll thanks!
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| 03:58 | <cryptom> hmm, I installed FreeDos and wanted to copy the fdosboot.bin from the freedos partition to the windows partition (boot loader), but the file does not exist?!
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| 04:22 | <nd> Aloha
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| 04:24 | Guys, I do have a problem. We had a network with 20 clients, running fine. Now two of the boxes had to be changed. The replacement boxes boot up but hang (black screen, not displaying the mode of X11 as it seems) after going into runlevel5. Server System is slack10.2. Ideas? The hardware didn't change, same motherboard, just new.
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| 04:27 | I know it's a shot into the dark, but that's all the info I can provide (I have no access to the network atm, and this is the info I got)
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| 05:00 | <neuralis> are you handing out static IPs, or dynamic? is it possible the machines are not picking up an ip address?
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| 05:00 | did the graphics hardware or monitor change?
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| 05:00 | are both the keyboard and mouse properly connected to the new clients?
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| 05:00 | nd: --^
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| 05:06 | <nd> Dynamic. They do get an IP (I will check it anyway). Same monitor and keyboard/mouse
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| 05:07 | The guy working on the box told me that he can access the rootshell at TERM2, which we have for testing purposes...
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| 05:25 | <cliebow> nd:prob they are an intel i810 video card?
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| 05:50 | <cliebow> cryptom:you could just disable onboard nic and use an etherboot prommed nic which allows double oot by default
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| 05:57 | <jmaxou> Hi there. I got a weird ltsp.conf problem when upgrading to version 4.2. Cannot change it from default.
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| 05:57 | <cryptom> cliebow, i don't know whether i understood correctly, but buying 200 additional network cards is not an option
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| 06:04 | <cliebow> yeah..i see
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| 06:07 | well there is the option to boot from an etherboot floppy..just leave it in..you then caan choose local or network boot..that is pretty easy
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| 06:09 | and options 17 66 an 67 in windows dhcp will give the correct info
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| 06:09 | <cryptom> ok, thanks
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| 06:09 | <cliebow> i use 12 17 43 55 60 66 67 211
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| 06:09 | <cryptom> I dont have option 60
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| 06:10 | <cliebow> i had to add it with netsh
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| 06:10 | that is for Macintosh
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| 06:10 | 211 is for netvista
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| 06:11 | <cryptom> so, i dont need 60 and 211?!
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| 06:11 | <cliebow> no
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| 06:11 | not for reg pc's..my clients tend to be errr....challenged\
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| 06:12 | <cryptom> so, 17 would be set to: "/opt/ltsp/i386" and 67: "/ltsp/pxelinux.0". Do I really need to set the hostname in option 66 or is the ip ok?
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| 06:12 | <cliebow> umm..caant hurt..my notes are on the wiki
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| 06:13 | sure that path is correct?
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| 06:13 | looks funny
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| 06:13 | edgy right? it is on the other lappie
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| 06:14 | <cryptom> path is how it is mentioned on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
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| 06:14 | yes, edgy
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| 06:15 | <cliebow> just be sure that path exists..i cant remember..it worked so effortlessly in etheroot i never looked
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| 06:15 | <cryptom> ok
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| 06:16 | <cliebow> ill be around later if you need to be more confused 8~)
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| 06:16 | <cryptom> im not confused, you helped a lot, thanks
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| 06:16 | one last thing. can the client install script be executed via ssh (without x)?
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| 06:17 | eh, ltsp-client-build, I mean
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> i am not sure..ogra should be around later..
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| 06:17 | <cryptom> ok, thanks, bye
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| 06:17 | <cliebow> he is the definitive source
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| 06:17 | <cryptom> ok
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| 07:04 | <nd> cliebow: No, it's an VIA graphics card
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| 07:15 | <cryptom> I've just executed the ltsp-client-build, but it exited with the following error: "ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists"
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| 07:15 | is this known behavior or some mistake on my side? haven't found anything on google
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| 07:20 | <cliebow_> nd:did you try xserver=vesa for kicks?
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning all!
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> Scotty!!!!
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| 08:57 | boker tov
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| 08:57 | <sbalneav> hey hey
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> sbalneav: how much do you know about volume managers in various desktops?
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> Fair amount.
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| 09:00 | * Gadi was thinking in the shower again | |
| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Most volume management's handled these days with dbus/hal, and mounting things in /media
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> when it comes to the non-ltspfs sessions, (like rdesktop et al) why don't we just run a lightweight desktop behind the fullscreen client to handle the media mounting
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| 09:01 | then, I dont need to get into automounting and such
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| 09:01 | and all the kinks have been worked out by the volume manager
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| 09:02 | all I would have to do is add /media to read-write dirs
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> Maybe. I don't know, as I know nothing about rdesktop. Not sure what the interaction would be.
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> well, for almost every other client connection, one just redirects a dir on the local filesystem
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| 09:04 | so, we can have the volume manager do its thang and then just redirect /media
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Is this running on the server?
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> on the client
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> meh
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> why meh?
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> We currently don't have hal integrated into anything on the client.
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| 09:06 | <Gadi> Im sure the volume manager will have it as a dep if it needs it
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> Well, there isn't a standalone volume manager per se. There's the gnome volume manager, and the kde volume manager
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| 09:07 | so you're either talking running a stripped down gnome, or kde.
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> how do other desktops handle volumes?
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| 09:08 | like icewm or xfce?
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> Lots don't
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> hmm.
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> icewm has NO volume management, neither does xfce
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| 09:09 | I've never understood running the rdesktop on the client. Why not run it on the server as an app under a regular desktop, like gnome? They click on the icon, and they get a fullscreen windows login.
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> there are needs for it
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> Well, unless we write some kind of standalone volume manager.
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| 09:12 | but on the local machine, that's essentially an automounter.
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:12 | ok
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> So, probably the best bet is just to go with the automounter, and then have something managing links in the local terminal's /media dir.
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> or just autmount and redirect /tmp/drives
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| 09:14 | or wherever LTSP5 mounts things for ltspfsd
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| 09:14 | (has that changed?)
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> No, but that's purely a convention. We can make it mount anywhere it makes sense to have it mount.
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| 09:16 | But with an automounter, on the local machine, you wouldn't mount ltspfs, you'd just mount standard.
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:16 | understood
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> I think the fuse automounter's probably the way to go, as it seems to be nice, lightweight, and doesn't have some of the internal quirkyness of the "standard" automounter.
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> agreed. especially in the absence of a lightweight volume manager
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> The way volume management works in Gnome is, there's a dbus listener, and device events generate dbus messages, which get picked up by the listener. The volume's mounted, and then it's controlled by hal for removal events.
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| 09:23 | One of the things I'd like to see us do, eventually, is get ltsp device management into this model. inserts generate dbus messages, which get either a: sent via some network transport to the server, or, b: if you run a local dbus listener, handled locally.
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| 09:23 | In "my" test case, a linux desktop, it's just a case of getting dbus from the client to the server, and making hal on the server aware of ltspfs mounts.
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| 09:24 | in "your" case, it's just a case of running dbus on the client, and then handling the mounts via hal and an automounter locally.
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| 09:24 | Problem is, I know NOTHING about dbus programming, so until I get off my fat butt, and start learning....
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> would I need hal if I used an automounter?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> but I'm still finishing off my work with integrating ssh & xdmcp media handling.
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| 09:25 | Unclear to me. If we integrate with hal, maybe not. But hal usually want you to right click on the device and select "eject", so I'm not sure how you'd plumb that under rdesktop.
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| 09:26 | i.e., on a "regular" linux desktop, you can't just yank the usb.
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:26 | but thats the beuty of ltspfs, no?
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> Good planning and clean livin' on my part :)
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> and automount by itself shouldn't make yanking too bad, either
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> I know from dealing with users that NO ONE ever remembers to eject the media.
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| 09:27 | No, a nice low automount threshold will handle that.
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| 09:43 | <bjohnson> I'm trying to upgrade my ltsp server to 4.2 and now my ltsp client only shows the grey screen and X showing that xwindows is running but it isn't connecting to my kde server to get login. I've gone through http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen and it looks like all my settings are correct. Is there a way to check which server IP the client is trying to get login from?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> bjohnson: if you do: netstat -anp|grep :177
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| 09:44 | on the server
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| 09:44 | do you get a response?
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| 09:44 | <bjohnson> udp 0 0 :::177 :::* 2121/kdm
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| 09:44 | it's a fedora core 5 server
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> is the XDMCP server the same as the LTSP server?
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| 09:44 | hey, dad
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| 09:45 | er, daddio
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| 09:45 | er
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| 09:45 | um
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| 09:45 | <bjohnson> I have 2 other machines using the xserver on my ltsp server that are still working too
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| 09:45 | Gadi: yes, the ltsp server does everything but dhcpd (dhcpd is on another machine)
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> bjohnson: perhaps you have reached the maximum number of XDMCP requests
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| 09:46 | have you checked that?
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| 09:46 | <bjohnson> hadn't though of that
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| 09:46 | where is that set for kde/kdm?
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| 09:47 | kdmrc?
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> hmm... where did you make the changes originally?
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| 09:47 | thru the gui or in the conf file?
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| 09:47 | <bjohnson> likely in the .conf file .. but that would have been over a year ago
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| 09:48 | I'll go look around the conf files
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| 09:48 | * Gadi is not well versed in kdm | |
| 09:48 | <Gadi> but, im sure its in the same file
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| 09:48 | or in the kde control panel somewhere
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| 09:59 | <bjohnson> I can't find any setting which would limit the number of remote machines that get logon screens
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| 10:00 | is there a log file saved on the ltsp client? I have a sheel running on screen2 but can't find a log file
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| 10:01 | the bootup commands flash by too quickly for me to read
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> bjohnson: you can try running 'startx' from the shell and then hit ctrl-alt-backspace when you cannot reach the server
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| 10:02 | see if you get any errors there
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| 10:03 | <siki> hello from czech
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| 10:03 | <bjohnson> might have found the prob .. my ltsp server /etc/hosts didn't match the ips assigned by my dhcpd server
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| 10:04 | <siki> i have problem with local floppy on ltsp. can some body help me ? Please
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| 10:04 | <mhterres> hey guys
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| 10:04 | Hi jammcq
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| 10:04 | hi sbalneav
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> Hey mhterres
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| 10:05 | <mhterres> I saw your posts in Planet Ubuntu RSS :-)
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> :)
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| 10:06 | Yeah, I'm a blogger now.
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| 10:06 | <bjohnson> Gadi: yep .. that was it .. I had the dhcpd server assigning 192.168.0.51 and my ltsp server looking for ws0001 as 192.168.0.31
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| 10:07 | Gadi: thanx for your suggestions
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| 10:09 | <siki> can anybody help me ???
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| 10:15 | <mhterres> what's the news ?
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> siki: What's your problem? You haven't said what it is yet.
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> siki: ping
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| 10:23 | <fgiraldeau> Does anybody uses ldm here?
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: Yep
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| 10:24 | I do
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| 10:25 | <fgiraldeau> Right, cool
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| 10:25 | I would like to know how does the language and session box are populated
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| 10:26 | In the code, there is a comment about : "the file /etc/ldm/session.conf" should be used
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| 10:26 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: It contacts the server at port 9571, and obtains a list of the local langs
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| 10:27 | If you "telnet localhost 9571" you can see the output
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| 10:27 | I wrote that bit :)
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| 10:28 | The problem is, LDM doesn't yet map the "en_CA.UTF-8" icky locale names into proper "English Canada" names.
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| 10:28 | ogra will probably get to that in the next release
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| 10:29 | <fgiraldeau> /usr/sbin/ldminfod wow!
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| 10:29 | It's perfect.
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> It's just a python script that gathers some information and spits it out.
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| 10:30 | in fact, if you just type /usr/sbin/ldminfod, you'll get the same thing.
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| 10:30 | It's just kicked off from inetd.
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| 10:30 | <fgiraldeau> Well the architecture is correct. I mean, I'm working to get ldm use ltsp-loadbalancer, and one issue was the gathering of this information to preset to the user.
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> so, just get it to return a list of hosts as well, and then hack ldm to ssh to $RANDOM_HOST :)
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| 10:32 | <siki> sbalneav: i have problem to access local floppy
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| 10:32 | <fgiraldeau> It it was in a file, depending on the server you got, you may not have the same sessions type available.
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| 10:32 | Well, thanks
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> siki: yes, we KNOW that, you said that already. Perhaps you could be more specific? Have you worked through the checklist?
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| 10:32 | !checklist
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| 10:32 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: If your setting up load balancing, you'd logically want to make sure the machines were pretty identical, I'd expect.
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| 10:33 | s/your/you're/
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| 10:34 | <fgiraldeau> Yes, I hope so, but it may not, and I don't want to do this hypothesis.
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| 10:35 | <siki> sbalneav: ok I make checklist thank You
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| 10:35 | <pscheie> sbalneav: How'd you do that checklist thing with the ltspbot? Just type bangchecklist?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 10:35 | <pscheie> Excuse me while I try this...
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> It's an infobot, and I've entered some facttoids
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| 10:35 | !muekow
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| 10:35 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "muekow" is MueKow represents the future of LTSP. Using the packages available in the distribution, an LTSP client is build locally, and supported by the distribution. You can see the future at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MueKow
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| 10:35 | <pscheie> !checklist
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| 10:35 | <ltspbot`> pscheie: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 10:36 | <pscheie> Cool!
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| 10:36 | <fgiraldeau> It shurely save you a lot of work !
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> That's the idear :)
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| 10:36 | <pscheie> any others?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Umm, there's a few.
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| 10:36 | !ltsp5
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| 10:36 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "ltsp5" is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. Find out more on wiki.ltsp.org
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> It can also do some other stuff
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| 10:36 | !seen jammcq
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| 10:36 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 52 minutes and 5 seconds ago: <jammcq> hey kids
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> !google sbalneav
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| 10:37 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Search took 0.23 seconds: Personal info for sbalneav: <http://www.advogato.org/person/sbalneav/>; Advogato diary for sbalneav: <http://www.advogato.org/person/sbalneav/rss.xml>; Public Key Server -- Verbose Index ``0x3B7E16E1 '': <http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x3B7E16E1>; Bazaar branch “~ sbalneav /ltspfs/ltspfs-upstream”: (3 more messages)
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> etc
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| 10:37 | <pscheie> nifty
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| 10:39 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav : what about the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 10:39 | It should contains the key for every application server that the terminal could use?
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: I have suggested to ogra that we turn off stricthostkey checking
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> fgiraldeau: yep.
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> that would solve the issue of ssh keys
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| 10:40 | and you could always specify keys to make it more secure
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| 10:40 | <fgiraldeau> That's a good security mesure, but it should have a mechanism for publishing public keys in a secure maner
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| 10:40 | <fgiraldeau> Gadi : Hi!
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| 10:42 | Is it possible to sign a public key for SSH?
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> why would you sign a key thats public?
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| 10:43 | oh, and hi! ;)
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| 10:52 | <fgiraldeau> Gadi: I would sign the key to make client verify the key, that it has not been changed. Well, that's your web browser does when you visit a https web site.
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| 10:55 | <fgiraldeau> The public key can simply published along session variable through ldminfod
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: but ssh will check the keys against its known_hosts
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| 10:57 | if you put a public key in known_hosts, and the public key of the server is different, ldm will not allow the connection
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| 10:58 | <fgiraldeau> ldm can add the key of the current server into this file
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| 11:00 | <ogra> if you publish the key through an unsafe channel like ldminfod, you shouldnt use ssh at all :)
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| 11:00 | there is no point in that ...
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| 11:01 | <fgiraldeau> Gadi: yes, I can confirm you that the know_hosts file is important, I search a bit for that. Because the application server I use is different than the bootserver, then ltsp-update-sshkeys is not working appropriately, /opt/ltsp is empty on the application server
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| 11:01 | ogra : that's the public key can be published, isn't?
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| 11:02 | <ogra> the only way to do it in a safe manner would be to copy over a known_hosts file that contains that particular key
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| 11:02 | right, but you lower the level of security ...
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| 11:02 | its nothing i'd accept upstream for ldminfod ...
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra! Finished punching through flaming boards?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> haha
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| 11:03 | <ogra> who told you ?
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> It was on planet. :)
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| 11:03 | <ogra> luckily the brainwashing was only one day
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: throw the public key of the app server into the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/known_hosts of the boot server
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| 11:03 | <fgiraldeau> Yes, I did that manualy
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> If I had to do that, I'd paint myself green, wear ripped clothing, and scream "HULK SMASH!!!!" While I was doing it. :)
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| 11:04 | <fgiraldeau> ogra : Is it better to communicate the public key to the terminal or disable stricthostkey checking ?
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| 11:04 | The best would be that the terminal could verify the authenticity of the public key it receives.
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| 11:04 | * sbalneav notes, that's a lot of green paint. | |
| 11:04 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: managing the ssh public keys *should* be a function done on the boot server
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| 11:04 | imho
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| 11:06 | <ogra> sbalneav, heh
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| 11:06 | <fgiraldeau> Gadi: I think so too
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| 11:06 | <ogra> fgiraldeau, ssh does the verification during login ...
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> right
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> and I dont see a weakening of security by having a public key on the nfs share
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| 11:07 | its a public key
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| 11:07 | <fgiraldeau> Yes, for shure
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| 11:08 | * ogra has to close the laptop, talks are starting .... bbl | |
| 11:09 | <Gadi> with stricthostkeychecking turned off (optionally) it would allow ldm to make less-secure connections to servers specified in its servers list but without a key in known_hosts
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| 11:09 | <fgiraldeau> The problem is that the public keys of each application server should be on every bootserver
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> but, it will also deny access to servers in the list with a key in known_hosts that does not match the key from the server
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| 11:09 | fgiraldeau: thats not a problem
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| 11:10 | as long as you have an update mechanism
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| 11:10 | ie update tool (gui or otherwise)
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| 11:11 | <fgiraldeau> ltsp-update-sshkeys should contact each application servers to get their public keys?
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| 11:13 | We must stil think about it. What about creating ltsp-cluster project?
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| 11:14 | Gadi: did your received packages for the ltsp-loadbalancer?
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> fgiraldeau: I did
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| 11:15 | thank you
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| 11:15 | anything I need to know before I install on my laptop
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| 11:16 | other than that it will make my laptop hate me and want to kill me in my sleep
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| 11:16 | <fgiraldeau> Not particulary. You will get a daemon for the agent and one for the server
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| 11:16 | It *should* be safe :)
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| 11:17 | I think so, I tested it and it works out of the box.
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| 11:17 | But those two packages must be installed on the same host for the demo.
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> np
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| 11:18 | * Gadi will be reading the code first anyway | |
| 11:18 | <fgiraldeau> Otherwise, you have to edit /etc/mille-xterm/lbsconfig.xml to add hosts that you want
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> no worries
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| 11:18 | <fgiraldeau> Are you able to send comments on REVU?
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| 11:19 | There are yet paths in the package that refer to mille-xterm, but I'm looking to replace this.
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| 11:20 | Thanks a lot for your interest
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| 11:21 | That's the time for lunch, so back in one hour.
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| 11:25 | <mhterres> hey guys. I have a doubt
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| 11:26 | I have one server that provides the DHCP and TFTP
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| 11:28 | forget it :-)
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> cliebow_: you around?
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| 12:23 | <mhterres> how about the local USB and sound support in LTSP ?
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| 12:23 | Is working ? :-)
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| 12:24 | <prpplague> mhterres: iirc, local usb and sound have been working for some time
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| 12:24 | <mhterres> Great
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| 12:24 | I'll take a look now :-D
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| 12:30 | <mhterres> And what'is the best server ? ALSA ?
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| 12:39 | <mhterres> where can I find the ltsp-sound-1.0-0.2.tar.bz2 ???
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| 12:41 | The link in wiki is not working :-)
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> mhterres: what version of LTSP and on what distro are you using it?
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| 12:44 | <mhterres> I'm using Ubuntu, but I'm not using the packages
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| 12:44 | LTSP 4.2
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> you dont need the ltsp-sound pkg
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> all you need is to make sure all of your apps use esd
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| 12:45 | if you use gnome, then you should start by setting esd as the default for gstreamer
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| 12:46 | <mhterres> KDE
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| 12:46 | Kubuntu
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| 12:46 | :-)
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| 12:46 | so I need to use nasd ?
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| 12:47 | <cryptom> I've just executed the ltsp-build-client successfully, after that I tried to install dbus which fails with: invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.
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| 12:47 | now, I cannot uninstall or completely configure dbus at all
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| 12:48 | btw: after installing the ltsp client, I chrooted to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:48 | is this known behavior?
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| 12:50 | <sbalneav> cryptom: Did you mount /proc after you chrooted?
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| 12:50 | I beleive dbus requires /proc to be present.
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| 13:01 | <cliebow_> Gadi!!!
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> hey, cliebow_
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> I had wanted to see if you could dig up a script for me, but I ended up just whipping one together
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| 13:03 | <cliebow_> how goes it??
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> thx anyway
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| 13:03 | it goes
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| 13:03 | <cliebow_> sure
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| 13:03 | you are the man for that..
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> it was something I knew was on a k12 box
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| 13:04 | <cliebow_> i donthave k12 unfortuitously
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> ah,
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| 13:05 | all the better that I just whipped
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| 13:05 | <mhterres> but if I use KDE, Do I need nasd, don't I ?
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| 13:06 | so how can I configure it ?
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| 13:08 | <cryptom> sbalneav, no, I didnt, ok, that might be it, thanks
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> Gadi: i added xterm -e /usr/bin/disabled to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession to test for the DUX flag in a users account
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| 13:09 | <cryptom> sbalneav, ok, it worked, thanks!
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| 13:09 | <sbalneav> No problem
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| 13:09 | <cliebow_> How do i use the return statement from /usr/bin/disabled to exit Xsession
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> what is /usr/bin/disabled?
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| 13:11 | <cliebow_> just does an ldapsearch for DUX in smabaAcctFlags and dunps a message saying..Moron.You are disabled
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| 13:11 | if so
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:12 | lol
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| 13:12 | 1 sec
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| 13:12 | <cliebow_> but then Xsession should quit
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| 13:14 | <cliebow_> this one is bash
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> did you put an 'exit 0' at the end of the bash script?
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| 13:18 | <cliebow_> no..i tried something ese..but exit 0 ..how to trap that/
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> Im not sure what you mean
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| 13:19 | do you want the DUX flag returned to the XTERM?
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| 13:19 | er xterm?
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| 13:19 | <cliebow_> i did return $acctflags then tested for $acctflags
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| 13:20 | must be a better way..
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| 13:20 | say if i used exit 0..how do i test back in the script that called it (Xsession)
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| 13:21 | <jammcq> cliebow_: in the caller, check $?
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| 13:21 | <cliebow_> balls..Locked myself out 8(
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| 13:21 | k
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| 13:21 | <jammcq> if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> I am so confused
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| 13:22 | <cliebow_> Gadi: i tend to do that
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> BUT, make sure you test $? immediately, cuz every command you run will affect $?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> why not just have your script write to syslog
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> I like to do this: STATUS=$?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> and check syslog
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| 13:22 | <jammcq> then, test ${STATUS}
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> or print to a file
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| 13:22 | if ur just debugging
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| 13:27 | <cliebow_> i think $? was the missing link
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| 13:28 | <Gadi> cliebow_: are you just debugging or do you need this to end the session or some such?
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| 13:29 | <cliebow_> just debugging..Gadi
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| 13:29 | <Gadi> then, I vote to just have your perl script write to a file/syslog
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| 13:30 | it'll be more informative
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| 13:30 | less cryptic
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> but.... if you pick syslog, don't just open the file and write to it
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| 13:30 | use the syslog functions
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> right
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| 13:33 | <cliebow_> ahhh ok
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> cliebow_: still here?
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| 14:15 | <cliebow_> Gadi:!!!!
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| 14:19 | $? works in bash as well?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> "$?" would return the exit code of the most recent command in most shells, no?
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| 14:24 | <pscheie> $? should work with any posix shell
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| 14:26 | <sbalneav> It also works when you want to find out how much something costs. Salesman: This Porche goes from 0-100 in 5.5 seconds. Me: $? Salesman: $! Me: :(
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> OhhLordy
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| 14:27 | <sbalneav> Bit of shell humour there, folks. Remember to tip your waitress, I'll be here all week!
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> There's a reason comedy clubs don't have 'open mike night for geeks'
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| 14:28 | mike->mic
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| 14:33 | <cliebow_> ok...ready for a razzing http://pastebin.com/826890
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> hey, anyone know what package has db_recover?
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| 14:45 | nm
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| 14:51 | <cliebow_> yeah
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| 14:51 | somethging wirh a4.2
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| 14:51 | in it'
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> got it
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| 14:52 | have a good weekend, all
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> Gadi you didnt look at that pastebin did you
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> sorry, man
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> ignore the trtweo obvious errors
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> let me take a quick peak
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> or screw it
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> looks good except for the typos
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| 14:54 | <cliebow_> thanks for looking..have a Great weekend
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| 16:09 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, you having fun there in SanFran?
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| 16:09 | <ogra> well ...
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| 16:09 | * jammcq figures that ogra is getting tired, and he's ready to go home | |
| 16:09 | <ogra> we're only unleashed after dark here ...
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| 16:09 | yeah
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> it's been a very long 2 weeks
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| 16:10 | <ogra> and i'll have another one in poland directly after i recovered from my jetlag
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| 16:10 | (including two 15h trainrides)
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| 16:11 | <jammcq> whoa
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| 16:11 | <ogra> trains seem to go slowly in poland :)
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> That'll teach you to create a popular distro :)
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| 16:11 | <ogra> heh
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| 16:11 | <jammcq> yeah, it's your own fault for being so successful
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| 16:11 | <ogra> at least i dont have any planned travelling before jan 18th then
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> You could have gotten tied up with gentoo. Then you'd have LOTS of slack time waiting for compiles :)
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| 16:11 | :)
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> goofball
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| 16:12 | <ogra> hehe
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| 16:13 | <dberkholz> afternoon gents
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> Hey, speak of gentoo, and dberkholz appears! :)
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| 16:13 | How's it going?
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| 16:14 | <dberkholz> oh, you did speak of gentoo. that's a weird coincidence
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| 16:14 | i'm sitting in a coffee shop, reading a design and typography book
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> Ohh, which one?
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| 16:15 | <dberkholz> the non-designer's series
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| 16:15 | robin williams
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> I managed to pick up a "Chicago manual of style" at a bookstore in an "everything for 5 bucks" sale.
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| 16:15 | Which was a total score.
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| 16:15 | <dberkholz> it's stuff i've used before but never learned formally, so far
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| 16:17 | also been figuring out that a lot of really important features will be in scribus 1.3.4
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> Do you contribute to scribus?
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| 16:18 | <dberkholz> nope, just use it and know a couple of the devs
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| 16:19 | i tend to be the go-between when they start complaining about gentoo being one micro release out of date
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> Whelp, headin' home for the day.
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| 16:27 | I'll be on later tonight.
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| 16:27 | later, all
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| 20:23 | <Shmattie> Anyone had luck getting sound on a Jammin 125 working with 4.2?
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| 21:08 | <chupacabra> me thinks jim had it working before he sold em. Ive been wrong though.
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