IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 December 2020   (all times are UTC)

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13:20
<biomorph>
Hi all. I've been asked by a user if the can do video conferencing from a thin client. My initial answer has been that there is no way the web cam would be usable, but I thought I'd check here if anybody knows differently.
13:28
<alkisg>
biomorph: thin clients have been deprecated for around a decade, and we've been recommending ltsp fat clients (diskless) instead, are you sure this is about a thin client?
13:29
Otherwise, it would need either ltsp-localapps to work with the webcam, e.g. `ltsp-localapps firefox`, or usbip. Usbip isn't automated by ltsp at any way.
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13:44
<markit>
alkisg: hi :) I'm still struggling with video broadcast, last time I tried, even with "my" fixes ('-noxdamage'), clients broadcast stops after some seconds. I can't reporoduced with virtualized clients, and I've little access to real hardware. Nothing urgent thanks to Covid, but really would love this to be fixed
13:45
I'm building a new Proxmox virtualization server, maybe with more CPU power I can reproduce it there too
13:47
alkisg: btw, do you use pfSense or something else in schools, and how do you do traffic shaping/queue control, or is not your field of competence?
13:47
(I mean your job is just ltsp related)
13:51
<alkisg>
Hi markit
13:52
Video broadcast via epoptes? Or by other means?
13:52
<markit>
yes epoptes sorry
13:52
<alkisg>
I've seen pfsense in a couple of sites that I have contact with, but I'm not using it in any of my schools
13:53
I didn't have any need for traffic shaping in schools so far
13:54
I did have that need at home, but I ended up just buying fiber connection to the internet instead :D
13:54
<markit>
in Italy they want to do some sort of "mixed teaching", students at school and students remote... of course it's a nightmare, we have little bandwidth and is not regulated by a firewall
13:54
I've schools with Adsl 7Mbit/256Kbit bandwidth, you figure :(
13:55
but also with FTTC we have something like 30/3Mbps or just in one rare case 50/20... and there are problems there too
13:56
but back to ltsp and epoptes, are you keeping the development or you have other stuff to do first? I remember you would have been busy in the future with academic stuff
13:56
(future of the past = present :))
13:56
<alkisg>
Yeah they talked about mixed teaching here too, it didn't really go well :)
13:56
I'm still very active on ltsp, less on epoptes; but both of them are maintained fine,
13:57
I'm also hoping to finish with my phd this year, so I don't do great changes in ltsp currently,
13:57
<markit>
ok, I've to do something about user account creation, AFAIR you have something about it
13:57
<alkisg>
now maybe next year, I'll be able to work on ceph, rbd and other fancy stuff
13:57
<markit>
urgh, not too complex please :)
13:58
<alkisg>
Optional, and always made easy via `ltsp do-that` :)
13:58
<markit>
zfs would be great for snapshotting and software raid
13:58
<alkisg>
Right, zfs, http booting, you name it
13:58
Each ltsp user has its own agenta :)
13:58
I maintain a software called "sch-scripts" for user management
13:59
We tried to include it to debian with the name of "ltsp-manager", but we didn't receive some related funding so we went back to "sch-scripts"
13:59
Now I'm also playing with ldap and "ldap-account-manager", these are nice too
13:59
If you search for "ltsp-manager" in github.com/ltsp, you'll find the ppa with the debs
14:03
<markit>
Ok, I will have a look at it, and if is not what I'm looking for and I need some different, optional behaviour, do you think with some money you could modify it?
14:03
I've some script that do create accounts, set permissions, create class groups, reset home config, etc. but are not graphical
14:04
and wrote in ruby, the language I used a lot at that time (was developing in Ruby On Rails)
14:05
I've to learn Python, is paramount for me, so maybe I could try to contribute with code too
14:05
I mean, would be great having a flexible, official, account manager for ltsp instead of going for my own (limited) route
14:06
<alkisg>
> do you think with some money you could modify it? ==> difficult, for this year I'm extremely busy with other tasks,
14:06
Maybe enaut could do it though, we started to maintain it but didn't see much interest from people either
14:07
I think it just doesn't have enough publicity; it allows mass user and group creation etc, it makes user management very easy. In python/gtk.
14:07
I suggested to remove all the "ltsp" references to it and call it "gnome user manager" or something, as user creation isn't really ltsp-specific
14:09
<markit>
I'm a QT-KDE user :)
14:10
I don't do simple creation, I use extended attributes to avoid students be able to read other students (and teachers) home content, for instance
14:11
I create a /srv/class/classXYX folder with links to users that belong to that class, so teacher can navigate it with ease instead of check among > 300 home dirs
14:11
and so on
14:13
so I think we need something ltsp specific, possible multi-option (there are different strategies for user accounts, i.e. I create personal stuff with real username, you AFAIR create more "generic" ones, some could just create pc-number accounts (one for each pc)), configurable
14:14
https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/search?q=ltsp-manager no result
14:16
I've to leave, I'll read the channel log if you have time to replya (don't worry in any case), thanks a lot :)
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14:26
<alkisg>
markit, google for: ltsp-manager site:github.com/ltsp
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14:27
<alkisg>
You'll find it, it already supports what you're saying about shared folders, and in a better way, I imagine, since it took me a lot of time to find the best ways to implement it...
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