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Channel log from 8 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:25 | <krotaz> hey guys do yo know wich is the minimum system requirement in the client??
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| 00:25 | <sbalneav> Much below 350 mhz and things get slower
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| 00:25 | 32 megabytes memory
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| 00:25 | pci network and video card
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| 00:27 | <krotaz> so a pentium 166 will be a tutle???
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| 00:27 | turtle
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| 00:27 | <sbalneav> It'll be a bit slow.
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| 00:27 | <krotaz> ok
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| 00:27 | <sbalneav> Depends on what you're doing
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| 00:27 | <krotaz> openoffice mp3, web
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| 00:27 | <sbalneav> If it's mainly typing in a word processor, it may be fine.
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| 00:27 | <krotaz> that kind of stuff
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> Web scrolling will be a little pokey
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| 00:28 | but not too bad.
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| 00:28 | <krotaz> programming??? lets say c++ java under eclipse??
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| 00:28 | <sbalneav> Not familiar with any ide's
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| 00:29 | I'd suspect they'd be close to a wordprocessor.
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| 00:29 | <krotaz> yes
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| 00:30 | <sbalneav> I guess the thing to do would be to try it and see.
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| 00:30 | If you've got a slow processor, though, make sure you've got more ram
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| 00:30 | if you've got a slow processor, AND you're doing network swapping, that's going to kill you
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| 00:31 | <krotaz> ok
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| 00:32 | by network swaping you mean network traffic???
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| 00:34 | <sbalneav> Swapping over the network
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| 00:35 | if you havent got enough ram, you normally swap memory onto a hard disk
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| 00:35 | you dont have one on a thin client, so you swap to the network.
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| 00:35 | <krotaz> ok
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| 00:36 | so a good combination wil be a 300 mhz pc with 128 or 256 ram
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| 00:36 | <sbalneav> sure
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| 00:36 | <krotaz> cool
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| 01:21 | <netdog> Hi
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| 01:22 | ltsppbot: pastebin?
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| 01:23 | !pastebin
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| 01:23 | <ltspbot`> netdog: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 01:23 | <netdog> ahh. one of those.
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 01:31 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> netdog: try that
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| 01:37 | <netdog> thanks
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| 02:14 | <cyrenity> hey am getting serious issues in printing with ubuntu +ltsp 4.2
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| 02:19 | <cyrenity> windows can print but thinclient wont
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| 02:19 | any idea?
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| 03:40 | <JonNoob> Hi ogra are you there???
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| 03:43 | <JonNoob> Anybody know where pxelinux.0 should be?
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| 03:51 | <sep> JonNoob, where you specify it in your dhcp config.
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| 03:52 | <JonNoob> but is that /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 03:53 | it is specified as /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 under filename, but there is no directory called ltsp in the root
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| 03:53 | <sep> JonNoob, no. it's usualy in your tftpboot area /var/lib/tftpboot or /tftpboot is common.
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| 03:54 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 03:54 | <sep> JonNoob, try looking in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 03:55 | <JonNoob> found it :-)
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| 03:55 | thanks
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| 03:55 | Do you know what path needs to be specified in /etc/exports ?
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| 04:06 | Does anybody know how /etc/exports should look like?
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| 04:14 | <sep> usualy something like /opt/ltsp/i386 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(ro,async,no_root_squash) or something
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| 04:15 | replace ip with your configl
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| 04:15 | <JonNoob> mine did't have i386 in the end of the path
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| 04:15 | and insterad of ip there was an *
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| 04:17 | and the option async in the end
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| 04:18 | <floppy1234> hello
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| 04:19 | i have a problem with sane(d) under LTSP 4.2 running on debian etch
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| 04:19 | i found the scanner with scanimage -L on the Terminal Machine
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| 04:19 | i enter the correct ip in the sane.d/net.conf on the server
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| 04:20 | but scanimage -L from the server says, it dont found any scanner
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| 04:27 | <floppy1234> http://paste.debian.net/34198 here is the scanimage -L and a nmap -sS
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| 04:27 | i think there should be open a port for sane
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| 04:31 | <Envit1> Hola a todos desde España
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| 04:31 | Hello all from Spain
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| 04:45 | <JonNoob> Help!!! I really need help before i start crying :'( I installed edubuntu Feisty amd64, ran ltsp-build-client --arch=i386,
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| 04:46 | edited dhcpd.conf to fit my network (172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0)
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| 04:46 | Integrated logind with my win2003 AD
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| 04:47 | But my thin clients won't boot. They get initram, but when the need to do the nfs mount they failes with the messages rpc failed: 2
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| 04:49 | <Envit1> is the fs correctly exported?
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| 04:50 | paste here the /etc/exports line about it
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| 04:50 | <floppy1234> can someone help me to solve my problem?
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| 04:51 | <Envit1> floppy1234: try :)
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| 04:51 | <floppy1234> ;)
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| 04:52 | this is my problem:
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| 04:52 | http://paste.debian.net/34198 here is the scanimage -L and a nmap -sS
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| 04:52 | and scanimage -L on the terminal's shell has found the scanner
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| 04:53 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "/etc/exports" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/263
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| 04:53 | <Envit1> floppy1234:
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| 04:53 | <Envit1> the scanimage -L you pasted is in the server, right?
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| 04:53 | <floppy1234> right
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| 04:54 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "/etc/exports FULL" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/264
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| 04:56 | <floppy1234> Envit1 what can this be?
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| 04:56 | <Envit1> JonNoob: give me an "ls" of your /opt please
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| 04:56 | floppy1234: it is normal that the server does not detect a scanner that it DOESN'T have
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| 04:57 | <JonNoob> there is only ltsp in /opt
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| 04:57 | <Envit1> scanimage -L detects local scanners
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| 04:57 | or maybe network scanners
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| 04:57 | but does not detect scanners connected to other computers
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| 04:57 | <floppy1234> xsane says also there is no scanner
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| 04:57 | <Envit1> xsane uses scanimage so don't mind
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| 04:58 | JonNoob: try mounting /opt/ltsp from a full box other than the server itself, e.g. a laptop
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| 04:58 | <floppy1234> i think, the terminal should have open more ports than only the X port
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| 04:58 | okay
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| 04:58 | <JonNoob> How do i try that???
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| 04:59 | <Envit1> JonNoob: do you have another computer in the network besides the server?
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| 04:59 | <JonNoob> sure. But what is the command?
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| 04:59 | <Envit1> mount -t nfs 172.x.x.x:/opt/ltsp /mnt (more or less)
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| 05:00 | <JonNoob> ok... Going away to test for a while....
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| 05:00 | <Envit1> floppy1234: maybe. it depends on running services
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| 05:00 | 16001 for esd
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| 05:00 | 22 for ssh
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| 05:00 | but it all depends on configured services in lts.conf
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| 05:01 | AFAIK
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| 05:01 | <floppy1234> moment pleae
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| 05:01 | please
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| 05:02 | http://paste.debian.net/34201
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| 05:02 | ;)
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| 05:02 | 201 is the connected terminal
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| 05:05 | <Envit1> sorry I can't help more, I do not know about XINETD_SERVICES
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| 05:07 | besides that, i didn't see anything about opening a different port than X port
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| 05:11 | <JonNoob> Envit1 tried mounting from another independent box. No problems at all
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| 05:15 | <Envit1> JonNoob: are you sure that the box in which you mounted is using the same IP than one of the thin clients?
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| 05:16 | <floppy1234> Envit1 okay
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| 05:16 | now it runs
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| 05:16 | <JonNoob> do you mean what ip the independent box have? or do you mean if the thin client is using the same command?
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| 05:16 | <floppy1234> i wrote the saned row into default and comment the seperate machine
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| 05:18 | <Envit1> JonNoob: I mean that you need to check which IP does the thin client have, and which IP does the independent box have, and wether they match or not
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| 05:18 | floppy1234: as I said, I can't help more, it's out of my expertise terrain. I'm sorry
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| 05:19 | <JonNoob> the thin client have 172.16.5.92, the independent have 172.16.5.XX
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| 05:24 | <Envit1> JonNoob: ok, it seems you do not have permissions problems. A final test: check if your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny say something particular about 172.16.5.92 or similar
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| 05:24 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:24 | Nothing in those files
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| 05:25 | <JonNoob> I was wandering if it was a mistake to choose the amd64 version of edubuntu. Maybe I should reinstall with the i386 version
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| 05:25 | What do you think?
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| 05:26 | <Envit1> hm
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| 05:27 | maybe, but doesn't know
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| 05:27 | <JonNoob> Just heard java and flash doesn't work on 64bit....
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| 05:28 | <Envit1> the client receives correctly it's kernel, am I right?
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| 05:28 | <JonNoob> yes
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| 05:28 | initram and kernel recieved correctly.
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| 05:28 | <Envit1> and it receives correctly its ramdisk via TFTP, am I right again?
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| 05:28 | ok
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| 05:28 | well
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| 05:29 | then it seems that the problem is not in the arch
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| 05:29 | if ramdisk is ok, and the nfs disk is for 64bit
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| 05:29 | what you will see is a correct pivot-root
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| 05:30 | after the disk has been nfs-mounted
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| 05:30 | _after_
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| 05:30 | and the the client will hang, or crash, or...
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| 05:30 | start burning ;)
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| 05:30 | <JonNoob> Just lost me... pivot-root?
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| 05:30 | <Envit1> but your client does not receive the nfs disk
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| 05:31 | pivot-root: when the kernel changes the absolute filesystem root from the ramdisk to the "local" disk
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| 05:31 | <JonNoob> it keeps getting the ip, rootpath, filename and so on.... and saying rpc faile: 2
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| 05:31 | ok. Thanks for explaining
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| 05:31 | <Envit1> check the /var/log files in the server
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| 05:32 | specially the messages one
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| 05:32 | to try to find a nfs detailed error explanation
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| 05:32 | you will see (i hope) the mount requests
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| 05:32 | <JonNoob> did try that earlier... one moment
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| 05:33 | Found somthing i didn't see before.
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| 05:34 | <ltsppbot> "JonNoob" pasted "messages" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/265
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| 05:39 | <Envit1> failed to contact portmap
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| 05:39 | <JonNoob> yep
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| 05:39 | <Envit1> is portmap running?
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| 05:40 | <JonNoob> how do i check that? ps -a | grep portmap?
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| 05:40 | <Envit1> yes
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| 05:40 | use A instead of a
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| 05:40 | <JonNoob> it looks like it is running
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| 05:41 | 4452 ? 00:00:00 portmap
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| 05:43 | <Envit1> hm
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| 05:43 | reboot the entire nfs/rpc system
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| 05:43 | /etc/init.d nfs-kernel-daemon stop
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| 05:43 | <JonNoob> sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernels-server restart?
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| 05:44 | <Envit1> huh
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| 05:44 | sudo
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| 05:44 | heh
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| 05:44 | it's ubuntu, right
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| 05:44 | well
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| 05:44 | no
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| 05:44 | <JonNoob> noob :-)
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| 05:44 | <Envit1> don't restart
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| 05:44 | stop all nfs services
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| 05:44 | nfs-kernel-server
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| 05:44 | nfs-user-server
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| 05:44 | nfs-common
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| 05:44 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:44 | <Envit1> (i think these are their names)
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| 05:45 | probably you will have only two of them: one of the servers and the common
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| 05:46 | <JonNoob> got nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common.
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| 05:46 | They are stopped
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| 05:46 | <Envit1> ok
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| 05:46 | check in which order are they normally started
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| 05:46 | in /etc/rc2.d
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| 05:46 | and start them again
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| 05:47 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 05:47 | nfs-kernel-srver first and then nfs-common
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| 05:48 | done
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| 05:48 | <Envit1> ok, taht way :)
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| 05:48 | now, tail -f /var/log/messages
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| 05:49 | and start the client
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| 05:49 | <JonNoob> same error in messages... Before the client starts....
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| 05:49 | <Envit1> hm
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| 05:50 | then you have some kind of nfs/rpc error not related to ltsp, I think
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| 05:50 | <JonNoob> I think so too...
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| 05:57 | Envit1 i really appriciate all your help. But i think i have to do a reinstall and see if it does any magic. I must have f... something up.
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| 05:58 | and this time with the i386 version
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| 06:00 | Thank you for everything...
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| 06:01 | <Envit1> :)
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| 06:39 | <yhan> hi
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| 06:40 | <BlackDark> wondering something, I got 2 ltsp1220 terms
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| 06:41 | in the doc they say to install properly the via video drivers, I would have to install some updates in my local ltsp setup
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| 06:42 | can I install this http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/downloads/downloads.html in ltsp 5.0 (ubuntu edgy) ?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
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| 06:44 | thats the right way to get the driver
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| 06:45 | we're working on getting them into gutsy
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| 06:46 | <BlackDark> good thanks Ogra
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| 06:46 | the terminal runs with vesa
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| 06:47 | it runs nicely with vesa but I supposed that I will get more performace with the proper driver
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| 06:47 | <ogra> no
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| 06:47 | but you get things like xv support for videos etc
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| 06:48 | <BlackDark> so hw acceleration
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| 06:48 | can use beryl or similar with that ?
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| 06:48 | <ogra> i have one t1220 here running with the openchrome driver the speed in scrolling etc isnt significantly different to vesa
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| 06:48 | i dont think you will get composite working on them, but i never tried
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| 06:49 | <floppy1234> so
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| 06:49 | back
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| 06:49 | <ogra> so likely no beryl
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| 06:49 | <floppy1234> scanner is running
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| 06:49 | <BlackDark> ok, it's good to know
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| 06:49 | <BlackDark> with the way, how can I get in the bios ?
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| 06:49 | <ogra> for beryl/compiz support intel is really the best option
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| 06:49 | <BlackDark> F1 F2 del, insert doesn't work
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| 06:50 | <ogra> get a client with an intel910 and you wont want to use anything else anymore :)
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| 06:50 | <BlackDark> are there some terminals with intel video board ?
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| 06:50 | <ogra> i dont think so ... sadly :/
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| 06:50 | <BlackDark> most of the terminals are via based
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| 06:51 | <ogra> but running compiz on a laptop with i910 runs better in ltsp tzhan using compiz locally ... way smoother
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| 06:52 | <BlackDark> oh really ?
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| 06:52 | <ogra> yeah
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| 06:52 | we tested it at the last ubuntu developer summit (where most ltsp devs were)
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| 06:53 | <BlackDark> at the show in Portland ?
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| 06:53 | <BlackDark> some friends of attended to the show, they told wow those guys boot a terminal in less than 30 sec
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| 06:53 | s/of/of me/
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| 06:54 | <ogra> no, in sevilla two months ago
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| 06:54 | but gutsys ltsp is well able to boot in 30-40sec :)
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| 06:55 | <BlackDark> the 1220 boots in 70 sec more or less
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| 06:55 | <ogra> there was a lot of change between feisty and gutsy
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| 06:55 | <BlackDark> which still ok
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| 06:55 | gusty is 7.10 ?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> right, i never was really concerned about bootspeed anyway, but jammcq always insists we need to be fast as hell :)
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| 06:56 | yeah, 7.10
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| 06:56 | <BlackDark> my former terminals boots in 10 minutes
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| 06:56 | so 30 sec or 70, doens't matter
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| 06:57 | <ogra> heh, indeed
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| 06:57 | <BlackDark> I got the 1220 for my home installation
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| 06:57 | they are diskless and fanless so noiseless
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| 06:57 | <ogra> right
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| 06:58 | <BlackDark> I want to get some silent desks
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| 06:58 | so we gonna work all togheter on the same desktop computer
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| 06:58 | which will be install somewhere in the basement where we could not hear it
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| 06:58 | <ogra> good plan
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| 06:59 | <BlackDark> the plan has been approuved, I worked well on my waf
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| 07:01 | <BlackDark> I have an ubuntu question
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| 07:02 | I'm on the impression that the 2.6.17 kernel is quite slow on single AMD core
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| 07:02 | like 2200+ or so
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| 07:02 | am I wrong ?
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| 07:04 | * ogra has to hold an edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now ... bbl | |
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| 07:15 | <JonNoob> Anybody know where i can download edubuntu server feisty alternate i386??
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| 07:17 | <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/feisty/
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| 07:19 | <JonNoob> Which one is the alternate? i can see desktop, Classroom and add-on for i386 and amd64
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| 07:19 | <ogra> server is the one you want
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| 07:19 | server-addon has the edu apps
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| 07:20 | <JonNoob> How do i get access to install raid?
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| 07:20 | Though i needed some option to select expert mode in the first menu
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| 07:20 | <ogra> hit f6
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| 07:21 | (inm the cd bootmenu ... sorry, i'm in a meeting (see above))
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| 07:21 | <JonNoob> that only gives me boot options parameters... Sorry.. didn't wan't to disturb you
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| 07:23 | Found it...
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| 07:24 | Thank you ogra. You have been a big help the last couple of days.... keep up the good work..
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| 07:24 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:54 | <BlueRaid> Hi. I want to use Localdevs from ltsp-4.2, On 2 Client i installed a local linux for localprinters, now i copy ltspinfod ltspfsd and lbuscd to the clients
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| 07:54 | and started them
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| 07:54 | <BlueRaid> now i must set the mountpoints to /tmp/drivers/....
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| 07:55 | and then it works?
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| 07:57 | <ogra> BlueRaid, there is a howto somewhere on the wiki .... if you have detailed questions, wait for sbalneav, he's the one knowing that old 4.2 code best
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| 07:57 | <BlueRaid> ok thanks
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| 07:58 | on the clients that mount the nfs dir it works finde
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| 07:58 | fine
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| 08:01 | * K_O-Gnom is now for 4 weeks in vacation :-) | |
| 08:01 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, enjoy :)
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| 08:02 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: 4 days holiday and 16 days reduction of overtime :-)
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| 08:02 | <ogra> nice
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| 08:03 | do you go anywhere or just slacking at home ?
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| 08:03 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yes ... rest holiday 26 days ..
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| 08:03 | ogra: i want to drive my motorbike trough the country but if i look at the weather ... i tought "no" (like homer)
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| 08:04 | <ogra> well, yesterday was fine though
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| 08:04 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yesterday ... not today ..
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| 08:04 | * ogra wishes he'd have time to either fix bike or car .... the're both disassembled in the garage since nearly a year now | |
| 08:05 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: work more work harder and then take 1/2 year vacation with some holiday days and the rest reduction of overtime :-)
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| 08:05 | <ogra> but i dont even manage to take al my holiday (and we have a policy at canonical that you cant have rest holidays)
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| 08:06 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: our rest holidays we can use up to march of next year ... if we don't use it then we loose it ..
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| 08:06 | <ogra> .... the danger of working from home ...
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| 08:07 | K_O-Gnom, i know, but german law doesnt apply to my contarctor contract :)
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| 08:07 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: the german law says up to 31.12 of actual year ... its only my company wich says you can use it upto march ..
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| 08:08 | <ogra> right
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| 08:08 | but all i worked for did that ... so the law is rather moot :)
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| 08:08 | <K_O-Gnom> so if your company wil change it ..
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| 08:08 | <ogra> canonical wont ... its no german company :)
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| 08:08 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: in germany we say PK :-)
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| 08:09 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, weiss ich ;)
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| 08:09 | <K_O-Gnom> PK = Pech kappt ..
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| 08:09 | for all english users here wich are listening :-) PK means
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| 08:09 | pitch had
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| 08:09 | <ogra> i would have said "selbst schuld" ;)
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| 08:09 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: or that
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| 08:27 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:27 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:27 | Hey ogra!!
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> How's the tribe going?
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| 08:27 | <ogra> very bad
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| 08:27 | <sbalneav> :(
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| 08:28 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33017/
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| 08:28 | <ogra> no clue why the hash sums dont match
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| 08:29 | <sbalneav> that's kind of ick
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| 08:29 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:29 | mvo is looking
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| 08:29 | i have no idea since when that happens
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| 08:30 | well ... i can roughly say it was between tribe3 and yesterday :P
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| 08:31 | the fun stuff is that the CD installed the complete system right before it breaks in ltsp-client-builder
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| 08:32 | so the CD is ok
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| 08:32 | <sbalneav> Maybe related to that apt bug we ran into?
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| 08:33 | <ogra> well, if i compare the sha1sum outputs, the sum is in fact differnt to what the apt debug output says
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| 08:33 | (only for the .gz files though)
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| 08:43 | <JonNoob> Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it.
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| 08:50 | <BlueRaid> sbalneav: ogra says me that you know the most of ltsp4.2: I must install a locale kubuntu on the maschine where i manage the printers, but i want to use localdev's on this maschine, too. I've installed ltspfsd, lbuscd ltspinfod and startet them. When i Connect to the Server and start lbussd i get no error but ~/Drivers/ is emptry :-(
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| 08:51 | <ogra> BlueRaid, you didnt talk about kubuntu before ... why are you using 4.2 on a kubuntu system ??
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| 08:51 | you should use ltsp5 there
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> yeah, that was what I was going to ask :)
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| 08:51 | ltsp5 will work fine with kubuntu
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| 08:53 | <BlueRaid> yes but i don't isntall a tar i installed kubuntu local on the hardisk and i woud use the "old" methode like in ltsp4.2
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| 08:53 | because the other clients use 4.2
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| 08:53 | and it works fine
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> well, run through the checklist then
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| 08:55 | !checklist
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| 08:55 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 09:00 | <JonNoob> Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it.
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> is it mounted?
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| 09:02 | <JonNoob> Are you asking me?
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| 09:03 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:any trick to setting root pw in the chroot??i chrooted and did passwd root..cant seem to login from ctrl-alt-f2
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| 09:03 | <ogra> cliebow, rebuilt your image ?
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 09:03 | <cliebow_> ahh..of course
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| 09:03 | <sbalneav> ltsp-update-image
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| 09:05 | * sbalneav looks around | |
| 09:05 | <sbalneav> JonNoob: Nope, don't see anyone ELSE with a raid problem
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| 09:06 | Is it mounted?
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| 09:06 | <JonNoob> sorry.. was interrupted
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| 09:06 | Well i don't know. I just started from the install cd.
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| 09:08 | <sbalneav> So, you're trying to install something. Install WHAT? Rather than me playing 20 questions with you, why don't you tell us exactly what you're doing?
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| 09:09 | <JonNoob> ok. sorry... I am installin edubuntu feisty classroom server for the second time. First time i used Raid 1 and I wan't to do it again. When I get to setting up my partitions, i can't delete the old multidisk units
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| 09:11 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 09:11 | ok, so you're on the install disk.
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| 09:11 | <JonNoob> it says they might be in use
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| 09:11 | yep
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Can you alt-f2 to a shell screen?
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| 09:13 | <JonNoob> yes got a busybox console
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| 09:13 | <ltsppbot> "BlueRaid" pasted "localdev troubelshouting" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/266
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> what happens if you type mdadm --remove /dev/md0
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| 09:16 | <JonNoob> success. Nothing printed...
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| 09:16 | <cliebow_> ahhh.that is betyter
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| 09:16 | <JonNoob> it is still listed in /dev
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| 09:17 | <sbalneav> try the install now
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| 09:17 | <ogra> sbalneav, in case someone asks about re enabling nfs in gutsy, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS i added instructions at the bottom
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| 09:18 | <JonNoob> They are still listed in the install, and i can't delete them
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| 09:22 | Can I use the console to remove the partitions and the softwareraid completely?
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| 09:23 | <cliebow_> DUDE!
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| 09:23 | ogra"rc.local gets overwritten (re x11vnc)?
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> JonNoob: yes, but the mdadm command should have done that.
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| 09:25 | hm
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| 09:25 | <BlueRaid> when i mount /tmp i get no error but i cant access ~/Drivers/tmp :-/ http://pastebot.ltsp.org/266
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> ogra: You are a star
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| 09:25 | Yikes, the soil guy showed up
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| 09:26 | I've got 8 yards of soild on my front lawn!
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| 09:26 | BlueRaid: That checklists useless.
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| 09:26 | Tells me nothing
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| 09:27 | cut and paste the EXACT output of the command in the checklist
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| 09:27 | <JonNoob> any other way of removing an raid?
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| 09:27 | <BlueRaid> ok when you mean ^^
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> JonNoob: What disks are part of the array?
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2?
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| 09:29 | <JonNoob> sda sdb
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> BlueRaid: ok, well, for instance, I ask for the hostname on the terminal in one step, and the display in the other
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> put the actual names in.
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| 09:29 | you telling me they're the same doesn't mean anything to me. I want to see them for myself.
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| 09:30 | JonNoob: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sda
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| 09:30 | JonNoob: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sdb
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| 09:30 | JonNoob: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda
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| 09:30 | JonNoob: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb
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| 09:31 | <JonNoob> Do I need to do it with all these /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb3
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| 09:31 | or just the ones you specified in your commands?
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> if they were part of the raid array, yes.
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| 09:31 | do it for the partitions that were part of the raid array
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| 09:33 | <JonNoob> it says it failed. device or resource busy
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| 09:33 | to the first command
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| 09:33 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:Scottie..i can start x11vnc manually from commandline..but rc.local seems overwritten..any suggestions on autostarting it
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> cliebow_: I don't know anything about vnc
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| 09:34 | JonNoob: mount -a
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| 09:34 | is the md mounted?
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| 09:35 | JonNoob: Dude I've got 5 more minutes here. Step up the pace a little
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| 09:36 | <JonNoob> it says mounting none on /dev failed
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> cat /proc/mounts
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| 09:36 | <JonNoob> it has removed sda2 sda3 sdb2 sdb3 now
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| 09:37 | not mounted
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| 09:37 | rootfs is mounted!
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> lets just clear the disk superblock
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| 09:38 | so can you install now?
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| 09:38 | <JonNoob> superblock says unrecognised md component device - /dev/sda
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> ok, try rebooting the installation disk
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| 09:39 | should work now
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| 09:39 | <JonNoob> ok.. Thanks for your help...
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| 09:39 | :-)
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> k, I gotta start hauling soil
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| 09:39 | out
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| 09:39 | <cliebow_> overandout
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| 09:41 | <cliebow_> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:41 | <jammcq> hey chucky
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| 09:41 | <cliebow_> i knew you'd say that 8~
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| 09:41 | )
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| 09:47 | <ltsppbot> "BlueRaid" pasted "LocalDev Troubelshouting - I hope not too many ;-)" (77 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/267
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| 09:49 | <BlueRaid> ok
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| 10:00 | <JonNoob> Which kernel should I choose to install for my server? linux-generic, linux-image-386, linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-386?
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| 10:02 | <cliebow_> id guess generic..
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| 10:03 | <JonNoob> ok.. My guess too...
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| 10:07 | <BlackDark> JonNoob, what kind of cpu does yr server have ?
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| 10:07 | <JonNoob> amd64
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| 10:09 | <BlackDark> generic
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| 10:09 | <JonNoob> ok.. thanks
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| 10:15 | <exodos> i'm trying to integrate nx into ltsp, and I found small problem with greeters/gtk. I'm running it piped to script which reads username, pass... and then create a session file for nxclient.
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| 10:16 | <BlackDark> exodos, interesting
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| 10:16 | exodos, is it faster than ltsp ?
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| 10:17 | <exodos> on adsl - sure
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| 10:18 | <BlueRaid> what is when you use ssh with compression? It is than faster,too?
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| 10:18 | <exodos> as a target we want to run LTSP from cold data center through adsl lines
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| 10:18 | nx compresion is about 10 times faster thand ssh's
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| 10:19 | <BlackDark> exodos, what kind of terminals do you have ?
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| 10:20 | <exodos> its a fanless VIA EPIA
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| 10:20 | EPIA-CN IIRC
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| 10:22 | <BlackDark> how fast is the cpu ?
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| 10:26 | <mopey> I have one terminal in a lab where I need to use dual output video for a projector. Is there any way to set a different xorg.conf file for a certain terminal (ltsp5 feisty)?
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| 10:27 | Woule the XF86CONFIG_FILE option work?
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| 10:28 | <exodos> BlackDark: 1Ghz
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| 10:28 | ogra: are you here?
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| 10:29 | <exodos> ogra: do you know who wrote the greeters/gtk ?
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| 10:29 | <cliebow_> DUDE!
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> mopey: yes, XF86CONFIG_FILE should work.
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| 10:33 | <mopey> cool. thanks.
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| 10:35 | <ogra> vagrantc, you merged the debconf template changes i saw did you leave the one note intact (notes in udebs are still valid and will stay valid i was told) ?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> exodos, i wrote the python version that was used in all releases up to feisty and i did the initial version of the new C code for ldm2 (gutsy) but that was modified heavily by sbalneav since
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| 10:39 | <exodos> in the ltsp greeter the output from shutdown and reboot commands is sent to greeter stdout and strerr. Is it ok? I assummed I will recive only username and passwords nad it gave me an error
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| 10:39 | i'm talking about python verion from feisty
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| 10:40 | <ogra> the backend parses the list of output it gets ...
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| 10:40 | just use the two first lines if you dont want the rest
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| 10:40 | <exodos> Im' writing my own backend for nxclient
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| 10:41 | <ogra> right
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| 10:41 | make that ignore everything after the second line from the greeter output
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, i merged the change to an error. it's a one-liner that is easy to fix when All Is Sorted Out.
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| 10:42 | <ogra> argh
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| 10:42 | <exodos> when i press reboot button it tries to login as a user "Stopping NBD client proccess"
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| 10:42 | <ogra> that breaks all CD installs
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| 10:42 | (error will stop the install process)
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| 10:42 | at least for all systems with only one NIC
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| 10:42 | <exodos> I just dont know if I'm reciving output with username and password or output from shutdown command
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah, originally you had just said it would make the screen go red.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> shutdown command will just return the word shutdown iirc
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: if it actually breaks the install, i'll change it back.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, thats the default for an error message, yes
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| 10:44 | thanks :) helps debian edu as well i guess :)
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| 10:44 | <exodos> ogra: no, caouse the output from '/etc/init.d/nbd-client stop' also goes to greeters stdout
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| 10:44 | <ogra> ??
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| 10:44 | surely not :)
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| 10:45 | it might go to stdout, but for sure not to the greeters stdout
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| 10:45 | <exodos> I got it there
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| 10:45 | <ogra> well, feel free to change the greeter to what you want ... i wont maintain the python code anymnore ....
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| 10:46 | <exodos> m'kay
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| 10:46 | <ogra> we changed everything to C and an interactive greeter
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| 10:46 | <exodos> is the code avaliable somewhere?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> you should probably talk to sbalneav so the new greeter can get interfaces for later implementations of your stuff
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| 10:47 | https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/scotts-gutsy
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| 10:47 | <ogra> exodos, ^^^^
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| 10:48 | <stevnblinux> ogra: :) Hey there. Just a follow up to yesterday. I did find that the FIrewall update applied about a month ago defaulted the LAN DHCP server to be enabled again. That was the culprit on the job control turned off message. thx.
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| 10:48 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:49 | thats mean of the firewall software ....
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| 10:49 | <stevnblinux> yep.
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| 11:47 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: May you help me with an incistent Via video card that doesn't work with LTSP 4.2...
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> Guaraldo: i can try - but i have a slightly broken keyboard atm -lol
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| 11:48 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: It just works as vesa...
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> have you tried- trident
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| 11:50 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Trident??? Its a Chrome (or something like that)... I'll try!
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> via boards can have either a 'via' chip, 'trident' chip, or you may need the 'unichrome' drivers
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| 11:51 | but those you need to add special
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| 11:51 | it involves getting the drivers from the sf.net site for the right version of xorg
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| 11:53 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Hummm... Its a unichrome...
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> you may need to get drivers (or compile ones) from the sf.net project
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| 11:55 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Thanks...
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| 11:58 | <staffencasa> Screensaver problem... I run ltsp-build-client with --kiosk plugin/extension and Screensaver breaks. I leave off the extension and it works. Anyone know of a reason why that would be?
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| 12:20 | <anutile> having trouble with log out. All user all of a sudden can not log out of desktop. It just sits there at their desktop. Need to ctrl-alt-backspace but of course this leaves alot of left over processes it is using LDM
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| 12:21 | <JonNoob> Hi. Does anybody know how to completely remove a raid1 software raid? It is really slow, so i wan't to begin from scratch.
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| 12:22 | <anutile> look at dpkg-reconfigure it will ask to remove the markings on the drives that associate it with raid maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
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| 12:25 | <JonNoob> it didn't ask to remove any markings. It just wanted to know which md was root
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| 12:27 | isn't there someway to use mdadm to shut down the array and bring the disk back to normal? Maybe i need to use fdisk too?
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| 12:34 | <anutile> oh, so explain again your goal, and I should be able to help
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| 12:35 | <JonNoob> I wan't the make the disks non raid, so I can install edubuntu again without troubles with setting up raid.
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| 12:35 | I just did a reinstall and the old raid gave me some trouble when reinstalling
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| 12:36 | but i made through the install, just to see the raid running very slow, because of some configuration fault.
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| 12:36 | I just really want the server back to completely scratch
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| 12:43 | <anutile> I think you will be surprised but my original reply may work out for you. Boot up with a system rescue cd http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page and run the command to remove the md code that is placed on the start of a raid drive to help automate things. It has happened to me before and fdisk does not help. I am at alfred@nationalpriorities.org if you need more help
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| 16:46 | <nonsparker> hello
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| 16:47 | anyopne there?
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| 16:48 | I have a question about ldm
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| 16:52 | <Gadi> yes - it is bigger than a bread box
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| 16:54 | <JonNoob> anybody know how to break a raid1? I need to remove it COMPLETELY
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| 16:54 | <Gadi> software
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| 16:55 | fdisk
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| 16:55 | <JonNoob> yes software
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| 16:55 | fdisk... Which parameters?
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| 16:55 | <Gadi> fdisk /dev/hda (or similar)
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| 16:55 | then, change the type from within fdisk of the partition
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| 16:56 | L to list types
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| 16:56 | or m for the menu options
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| 16:56 | the type should be software raid
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| 16:56 | or Linux raid
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| 16:56 | change to just Linux
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| 16:56 | and reformat
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| 16:56 | after you write the changes from fdisk
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| 16:56 | <nonsparker> can someone help me disable ldm
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| 16:56 | <JonNoob> But will that remove the md 7dev/md0 ??
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> nonsparker: disable why
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| 16:57 | <nonsparker> I don't want the users to have to log in
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> JonNoob: it will reformat the drive
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| 16:57 | <nonsparker> for like a kiosk
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| 16:57 | <Gadi> JonNoob: you must do this from a rescue cd
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> nonsparker: if you used ltsp-build-client --kiosk, i believe you are running local gdm
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| 16:58 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 16:58 | <Gadi> not ldm
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| 16:58 | JonNoob: it will hose the system
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| 16:58 | and all info when you do this
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| 16:58 | be warned
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| 16:58 | <nonsparker> no i am using edubuntu server
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| 16:58 | <JonNoob> that is fine. Just what i want
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| 16:58 | Thanks gadi
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| 16:59 | <Gadi> nonsparker: if you want autologin, you can use my patch to ldm
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| 16:59 | <nonsparker> that would be great
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| 16:59 | <Gadi> that will allow you to have local devices and sound and such
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| 16:59 | let me find the link...
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| 16:59 | <nonsparker> where can i find it?
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| 17:00 | thank you soooo much
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| 17:01 | <Gadi> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_Jun__7_19%3A59%3A49_2005_32192.0/ldm
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| 17:01 | replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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| 17:01 | then, you can either do:
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| 17:02 | LDM_USERNAME=hostname|
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| 17:02 | note the | at the end
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| 17:02 | <nonsparker> ok
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| 17:02 | <Gadi> and then set up users on the system that have the same username as the hostnames on the client
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| 17:02 | you will need to assign hostnames to the clients using dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts
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| 17:03 | <nonsparker> ok
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| 17:03 | <Gadi> and then you can either use ssh keys instead of password or use:
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| 17:03 | LDM_PASSWORD
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| 17:03 | <nonsparker> is there a way to use one log in for everyone?
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| 17:03 | <Gadi> which will be very insecure and use the same password for all system users
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| 17:03 | you dont want to do that
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| 17:04 | linux apps wont work properly if you do
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| 17:04 | like firefox and others
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| 17:04 | linux really wants one user using a username at a time
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| 17:04 | <nonsparker> all these stations are going to do is log into a web front end to Citrix
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| 17:04 | ok
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| 17:05 | I understand
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| 17:05 | <Gadi> if that is all, you may want to just rebuild the chroot with the --kiosk option
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| 17:05 | and then install into the chroot the plugins needed
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| 17:05 | that way, all the stations will run locally
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| 17:05 | the only downside is you wont have printing
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| 17:06 | which i guess you may want
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| 17:06 | <nonsparker> all the prinitng is handled thru Citrix
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| 17:06 | <Gadi> but to local print queues or to network printers
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| 17:06 | <nonsparker> network
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> ah, in that case, you may want to experiment with this-
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| 17:07 | mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386-orig
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| 17:07 | sudo ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 17:08 | that should give you a barebones firefox running locally on each thin client kiosk
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| 17:08 | <nonsparker> ok
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> then, you can add plugins/java, etc to the chroot
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| 17:08 | <nonsparker> Gadi you are the man
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> with sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install <pkg
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| 17:08 | <nonsparker> Thank you very much
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 17:09 | <nonsparker> thanks a bunch!
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> its still bigger than a bread box ;)
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| 17:12 | <JonNoob> Gadi.. I am hopeless. I really need to get it step by step.. Sorry.... i booted the rescuecd and ran fdisk /dev/sda
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> hit m for menu
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| 17:17 | JonNoob: if all you want to do is delete the partitions, just go through and do:
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| 17:17 | <JonNoob> yep
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> d
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| 17:17 | <partition number
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| 17:17 | until there are none left
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| 17:17 | then 'w'
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| 17:17 | and write the changes
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| 17:17 | <JonNoob> ok
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| 17:20 | i think that did the trick... thanks
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| 17:24 | <Gadi> np
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| 17:24 | its always easy to break things ;)
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| 17:27 | <JonNoob> Love breaking things :-)
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| 17:35 | <cliebow> Gadi is a good man..
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| 18:00 | <nonsparker> Gadi are you still there?
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| 18:03 | <Gadi> barely
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| 18:03 | im in and out
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| 18:04 | <nonsparker> sorry to bother you again
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| 18:04 | <Gadi> no bother 'tall
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| 18:04 | <nonsparker> I tried the Kiosk and it worked
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| 18:04 | I just cant connect to the internet
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| 18:05 | <Gadi> ah. check your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf option routers setting
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| 18:05 | <nonsparker> I followed the thinclient nat howto on the ubuntu wiki
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| 18:05 | <Gadi> change it to the ip of the server
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| 18:05 | then, you need to nat through the server
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| 18:05 | <nonsparker> ok i will check it out
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| 18:06 | <Gadi> if my keyboard werent broken id give you the commands
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| 18:06 | but i cant produce a greater than sign atm
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| 18:06 | lol
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| 18:06 | <nonsparker> lol
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| 18:07 | <Gadi> echo 1 [greater than] /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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| 18:07 | uncomment the similar line in /etc/sysctl.conf
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| 18:08 | sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
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| 18:08 | sudo iptables-save
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| 18:08 | <nonsparker> how long have you been working with linux?
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| 18:09 | <Gadi> too long
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| 18:09 | ;)
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| 18:09 | <nonsparker> lol
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| 18:09 | <Gadi> but i only spilled coffee on my keyboard yesterday
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| 18:09 | <nonsparker> that sucks
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| 18:10 | was it an expensive one?
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| 18:10 | <Gadi> its my lappy
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| 18:10 | <nonsparker> ouch
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| 18:10 | <Gadi> course my lappy is 5 years old
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| 18:10 | and i have another junked one that i can harvest the keyboard from
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| 18:10 | thats tonight's project
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| 18:10 | ;)
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| 18:10 | <nonsparker> ahhhh
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| 18:10 | <Gadi> once the kids go to bed
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| 18:10 | <nonsparker> cool
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| 18:10 | well thanks for the help
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| 18:11 | <Gadi> np
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| 18:11 | <nonsparker> go play with your kids
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| 18:11 | <Gadi> good luck
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| 18:11 | <nonsparker> and have a good night
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| 18:11 | <Gadi> u 2
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| 18:26 | <cliebow> 2u
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| 20:15 | <Janet32766> does anyone have any clues for me? ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 # gives: SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
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| 20:35 | <petre> evening all
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| 20:36 | anyone know if I can configure the dhcp server to ignore certain devices based on MAC address?
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| 20:36 | That is, not give them an IP address?
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| 22:39 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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