IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:27 | <matte> hi, i work with ltsp server, but i had have some problems with pci cards:
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| 05:27 | i don't find a pci lan card with native pxe who works without any hacks or workarounds
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| 05:28 | where is list of native pxe cards? (who works well on any pc)
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| 06:12 | <ogra> matte, what kind of "hacks or workarounds" ?
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| 06:13 | * ogra never had to use any | |
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| 08:10 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:10 | Morning ogra!
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| 08:12 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:12 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:12 | <ogra> sbalneav, we need to fix the server sizing doc in the handbook
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| 08:12 | it talks about 60M per client on the server, thats way to less
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| 08:14 | <Q-FUNK> 96mb?
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| 08:14 | 128mb?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> 128 is what we write on the CD cover
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| 08:15 | 100 should suffice though
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| 08:15 | but 128 is a safe bet
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| 08:15 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: did everything we need to support a thincan make it into gutsy, in the end? sbalneav had it working on his branch, but I'm wondering if all of it made it to the final?
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| 08:15 | <ogra> if you use OO.o, firefox and one of the big desktops at least
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| 08:15 | Q-FUNK, i just blindly merged from sbalneav here :)
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> and on the client side? ram requirements are how big starting with gutsy?
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| 08:16 | oho
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| 08:16 | <ogra> might be that we need to do a dependency chaneg on the apcvkage i missed, but beyond that all should be fine
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> so we are factually using mkelimage now?
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| 08:16 | <ogra> no
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| 08:16 | not yet
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| 08:16 | we use whats installed by default ... whish is still mknbi ...
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| 08:16 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: had that in his branch afaik
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| 08:17 | <ogra> if i drop the dep it will switch to mkelf ;)
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| 08:17 | bith is on the CD
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| 08:17 | *both
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| 08:17 | <Q-FUNK> ok. any obstacle to dropping mkelf-linux?
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| 08:18 | <ogra> according to scott it worked fine on all his tests ....so no
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| 08:18 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Bug #140051
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| 08:18 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I did some more testing, and it seems to work.
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| 08:18 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: the amd driver? yes, I noticed. thanks!
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| 08:23 | <ari_stress> evening
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> Morning ari_stress
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| 08:25 | <ari_stress> :)
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| 08:25 | wazzup scott?
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| 08:28 | <sbalneav> Not much. Same ol, same ol.
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| 08:36 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi up!
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| 08:57 | <mikkel> Anyone working on getting LTSP5 into fedora 8 ?
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| 08:59 | <StylusEater_Work> woo hoo, just got ltsp up and going. :-)
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| 09:00 | has anyone in here used condor (or maybe a different cluster job scheduler?) atop ltsp? if so, have you had a good experience?
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> mikkel: I think there's some minor work being done, but I don't know of a concerted effort.
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| 09:24 | <mikkel> sbalneav, Do you know how is working on it ?
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> The only work I know has been put into it is that vagrantc got some basic bits going, but he's a Debian developer, primarily. Eric Harrison of K12LTSP was looking into it a year ago, but I have no idea on how far he got.
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| 09:25 | <cyberorg> hi guys, we are on news :) http://news.opensuse.org/?p=263
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| 09:25 | <ogra> well, the thing vagrant wrote should already show how it has to happen
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> mikkel: Are you volunteering to do it? Or just an interested user?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> mikkel,
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| 09:26 | bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> cyberorg: cool.
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| 09:26 | <ogra> have a look in the server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora subdir
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| 09:26 | <cyberorg> sbalneav: hopefully that would attract some attention to our effort :)
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| 09:28 | <mikkel> sbalneav, Well kind off. I need to get some working by end off january.
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| 09:28 | <cyberorg> 'night, was just in to share that, 'night :)
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| 09:29 | <mikkel> Will try with fedora7, it seems I can't do a groupinstall from rawhide.
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> Wow, he logs into irc from root?
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| 09:30 | Brave, brave soul :)
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| 09:30 | <ogra> probably suse dropped all other accounts ?
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| 09:30 | <Blinny> heh
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| 09:30 | <ogra> who knows :)
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| 09:30 | <Q-FUNK> scary.
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| 09:30 | <ogra> "ubuntu is using sudo, we can do better than asking for a password all the time" ;)
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| 09:31 | <Q-FUNK> does suse have sudont yet?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> wasnt there a commercial distro doing that ?
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| 09:32 | i think lindows did it that way .... but i'm not sure anymore
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| 09:32 | sure has suse sudo ... not sure they use it like ubuntu though
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| 09:37 | <cloakable> I'm pondering using LTSP with kde on Debian Etch. Does anyone have any advice, or reccomendations?
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| 09:47 | <matte__> <matte> hi, i work with ltsp server, but i had have some problems with pci cards:
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| 09:47 | <matte> i don't find a pci lan card with native pxe who works without any hacks or workarounds
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| 09:47 | <matte> where is list of native pxe cards? (who works well on any pc)
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| 09:52 | <ogra> cloakable,
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| 09:52 | !debian
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| 09:52 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 09:55 | <cloakable> ogra: Yes. However, I hear things about KDE and locally mounted devices.
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| 09:57 | <ogra> cloakable, they work desktop independentlyx ... but since KDE doesnt monitor /media as gnome-vfs does, you wont have links on the users desktop
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| 09:58 | <cloakable> Mmmhmm. Nicht gut.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> ltspfsmounter is python ... a trivial script ... you can modify it to create a link in ~/Desktop or open a filemanager window or so
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| 10:00 | <StylusEater_Work> matte__: 3com 3c59x are good choices... so are etherlink TX and etherlink TXL
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| 10:00 | <ogra> no rocket science involved ;)
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| 10:00 | matte__, what kind of workarounds do you mean ?
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| 10:00 | i havent seen a PXE card in the last two years that made any probs
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| 10:08 | <matte__> ogra, i buy @mediaworld 2 different cards, anyone works with pxe boot.. now i don't remember models
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| 10:08 | <ogra> both are PXE capable but only one works ?
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| 10:09 | <matte__> yes.. i don't know
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| 10:09 | why
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| 10:09 | <ogra> because you talked about "hacks or workarounds" :)
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| 10:10 | if cards are PXE capable they usually just work
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| 10:10 | <slidesinger> matte__: 3c90x is an excellent card as well
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| 10:11 | <matte__> the card don't work i think is a linksys
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| 10:11 | but i don't have it here
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| 10:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, any thoughts about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/140010 ? (apart from "argh why isnt he using LDM_DIRECTX instead of startx" indeed :) )
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> ogra: Yeah, works when he has it directly connected.
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| 10:21 | so, KVM issue, far as I can see.
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| 10:40 | <sbalneav> ogra: That seem a fair assessment to you?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:47 | i'd say so
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| 10:47 | .oO(we really should drop startx :P )
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| 10:50 | <sbalneav> Well, good to have it in there for backwards compatibility. But I think this fellow's got the cheap kvm blues. Best might be to simply file it against xorg, let them handle it.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> how about sectretly removing it and make it a default setup for LDM_DIRECTX ?
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| 10:51 | ah, well, that wuld break expectations i guess :)
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> heh, someone, for some reason, may REALLY REALLY want xdmcp.
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| 10:52 | For some reason that we can't forsee :)
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| 10:52 | <ogra> yeah, indeed
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| 10:52 | <sbalneav> Maybe they're using ltsp to access some really old whacky unix box that HAS xdmcp, but doesn't have ssh support.
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| 10:53 | or something
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| 10:54 | * elisboa waves arms frantically too, because he is using ion3 with Meta3 on Control_R | |
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| 12:34 | <cloakable> Hola
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| 12:34 | <Guaraldo> Hi, TiDjY...
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| 12:38 | <cloakable> Why do you have those °°°'s areound your text? O.o
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| 12:38 | voila
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| 12:38 | <cloakable> ltsp uses pxe to boot clients anyway :P
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| 12:39 | <TiDjY> ok i know
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| 12:39 | but i don't use LTSP but i would like use lts.conf or the same method
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| 12:39 | is it possible?
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| 12:40 | <cloakable> I don't think so.
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| 12:40 | What methos are you using?
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| 12:40 | *method
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| 12:40 | <TiDjY> the simple
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| 12:41 | with dhcp, nfs, tftp and pxe
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| 12:41 | but without LTSP
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| 12:42 | <cloakable> Just add LTSP to it :P
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| 12:42 | <TiDjY> ;)
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| 12:42 | <cloakable> Sounds like you're using LTSP already, just without, well, LTSP.
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| 12:52 | <__CC__> where xactly shud i look for help on Network Audio System (NAS)
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| 12:55 | ??
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| 12:56 | if i m at the right place plz help me on what xactly NAS is used for....one of my frends cant use his audio drivers to produce loud sound on his speakers
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| 12:56 | <__CC__> can i use NAS to redirect my sound output to him
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> __CC__: are you using LTSP?
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| 12:58 | <__CC__> no i hv no ideas of LTSP
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| 12:58 | just googled for NAS on IRC
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> ok...
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| 12:59 | why NAS?
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| 12:59 | NAS has been dead for some time
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| 12:59 | :)
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| 12:59 | <__CC__> can u plz explain me wats NAS all about
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> the best network-aware sound system in Linux atm is PulseAudio
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| 12:59 | <__CC__> i mean wat can we achive using it
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| 13:00 | what is meant by ""netwrk aware sound system""
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> NAS is one of several sound client/server systems that allow an application on one computer to play sound on another computer over the network
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| 13:01 | <__CC__> and what is required on client as per hardware requiremnts
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> the application is a sound "client" that sends a request to play a sound to the sound "server" running on the computer that has the sound card
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| 13:01 | the hardware requirements are on the computer that has the speakers
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| 13:01 | <__CC__> and the client's sound card is not used
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> it needs a sound card that has the appropriate driver
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| 13:02 | the computer that runs the application need not have a sound card
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| 13:02 | <__CC__> the client or the server ?
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> in this case the "sound server" is the computer with the sound card and speakers
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| 13:02 | from which noise comes
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| 13:02 | :)
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| 13:03 | the "sound client" is the computer that runs the application that wants to play a sound
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| 13:03 | <__CC__> ok
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| 13:03 | <Gadi> it gets confusing because typically the application is on an "application server"
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| 13:03 | ;)
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| 13:03 | <__CC__> suppose i hv a sound card...working very well.....
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| 13:04 | and my frend got a sound card that is producing very low sound
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| 13:04 | can i use NAS like things so that he can use my sound card
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> no
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| 13:04 | <__CC__> and listen full sound on his speakers
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> your friend should run alsamixer
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| 13:04 | and increase the volume levels
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| 13:05 | <__CC__> then wats the use of NAS
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| 13:05 | u just said the application need not hv sound card
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> TiDjY: The getltscfg program is what parses the lts.conf file.
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> you could use NAS so that you can launch an application, say mplayer, on his computer and push the video and sound to your computer
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| 13:06 | (say, you have a better video card and sound card, but he's got all the good applications ;) )
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| 13:06 | in a thin client environment, we want the applications that run on the application server to play sounds on the thin clients and not the server
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> Afternoon Gadi!
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> hey, sbalneav
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| 13:07 | <__CC__> i m not getting you :(
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> __CC__: lets say you are on computer A, and your friend has computer B
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| 13:08 | <__CC__> ok
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| 13:08 | <Gadi> your computer has a sweet video and sound card
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| 13:08 | <__CC__> k
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> but you don't have any of the codecs to play that awesome new DivX DVD you downloaded
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| 13:09 | <__CC__> k
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> but, com0puter B, your multimedia box, has all the applications loaded and working great
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| 13:09 | <__CC__> k
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> you don't want to waste time installing everything on your system, you want to just watch the DVD
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| 13:10 | <__CC__> k
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> so, you say, "ok, I'll just upload the DVD to computer B and play it there"
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| 13:10 | <__CC__> and
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> but, I'll push the sound and display back to my computer
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| 13:10 | <opac> Hello all, Could anyone point me in the right direction on how to setup up autologin with LTSP. I have an LTSP server up and running and clients can connect and are work great. I just want to get the clients to login when they boot up.
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> so, you ssh into B
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| 13:11 | set the DISPLAY variable back to A
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| 13:11 | and fire up mplayer running on B
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| 13:11 | then, you realize, "damn - the sound is coming out of B's speakers!"
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| 13:11 | I don't want that
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| 13:12 | I want the sound to come out of A's speakers
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| 13:12 | I need to tell mplayer to push the sound down to A as well
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| 13:12 | in order to do that, you need *some* mechanism to transport sound over the network
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| 13:12 | <__CC__> so its just software level transparency..no hardware level transparency
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| 13:12 | i got it
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> because X won't do that for you
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| 13:12 | right
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| 13:13 | <__CC__> i was assuming smthing else
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> it's a layer on top of the audio drivers
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| 13:13 | <__CC__> hmm
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| 13:13 | dont we hv anything that works in my problem
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| 13:13 | <Gadi> you can see why it is useful in a thin client environment
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| 13:13 | where the apps are not running on the local hardware
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> your problem is simply an ALSA issue
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| 13:14 | <mikkel> sbalneav, How do I get the kernel from fedora7 to mount the NFS root dir. Should I make some changes to initrd ? use mkinitramfs ?
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> you need only increase the ALSA volume levels
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| 13:14 | <__CC__> and its not been resolved
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| 13:14 | <opac> Anyone using autologin?
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| 13:14 | <__CC__> i tried evrything ...even #alsa
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| 13:14 | no solutions man
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| 13:14 | <Gadi> __CC__: did you try opening a terminal on his computer and typing alsamixer?
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| 13:15 | <__CC__> ya
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| 13:15 | increased all to max level
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> then, its either a bad soundcard or a bad driver
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| 13:15 | <__CC__> its bad driver of course ...coz its compaq presario
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> or alsa's messed up and sound is being flushed out the wrong channel
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| 13:15 | <mikkel> Gadi, you should look at PulseAudio.
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| 13:15 | <__CC__> and works grt in windows xp
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| 13:16 | but FC 7 nvr gives full sound
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| 13:16 | <Gadi> mikkel: I do. I even ogle it sometimes
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| 13:16 | but not in mixed company
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| 13:16 | <mikkel> Gadi, ok. Was planing on looking at it myself at one point.
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| 13:17 | <Gadi> mikkel: don't stare. she'll start to blush
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| 13:18 | <__CC__> anyways thax Gadi
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> __CC__: good luck
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| 13:18 | oh, and keep in mind, these days, there are several volume controls in Linux
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| 13:18 | <__CC__> at least i understood wats NAS is all about
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> you may want to make sure *all* are maxed out
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| 13:18 | <__CC__> i tried all of them
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> not just alsa
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| 13:19 | but gstreamer, too
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| 13:19 | <__CC__> all are maxed
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| 13:19 | ya gstreamer too
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:19 | weird
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| 13:19 | check the plug ;)
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| 13:19 | <__CC__> chkd that at first then went to #alsa :(
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| 13:37 | <NickBoy> hi all
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| 13:46 | <Penberthy> anyone familiar with edubuntu
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| 13:49 | <cloakable> no
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| 13:53 | <NickBoy> not me but whats the question
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> I think that was the question
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| 13:55 | <NickBoy> lol
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> Another user helped!
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| 13:55 | <NickBoy> hahaha
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| 13:55 | ive got a question
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| 13:55 | :P
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| 13:55 | cant get my audio work on my thin clients
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| 13:56 | i can only select my server audio card
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| 13:56 | prob need some s\drivers
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| 13:57 | <Blinny> What distro / ltsp ver?
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| 13:57 | <NickBoy> fedora core 6 k12ltsp
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| 13:57 | version 4 i think
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| 13:58 | i see my audio card but when i select it it wont give a sound
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> And you've got sound=y in lts.conf of course
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| 13:59 | <NickBoy> sound=y ??? am not an advanced ltsp user
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| 14:00 | <cloakable> O.o
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| 14:00 | <Blinny> You need to open the main LTSP configuration file. It is located, for most intel thin clients, in /opt/lts/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 14:01 | <cloakable> Do you admin a ltsp server?
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| 14:01 | <NickBoy> yeah add home
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| 14:02 | <Blinny> NickBoy: Check this too http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound -- great info here.
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| 14:03 | <NickBoy> ah thx
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| 14:03 | thats really uselfull
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> LTSP wiki is your friend.
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| 14:04 | Also here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SoundCards for hardware - but that doesn't sound like your problem.
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| 14:05 | <NickBoy> superr :P
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| 14:05 | now ive something to read lol
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| 14:16 | <Blinny> Gotta fly!
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| 15:11 | <TiDjY> yop yop
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| 15:12 | i would like mount homedir at logon
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| 15:12 | my homedir is on ltsp server
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| 15:12 | mount via nfs
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, so i've got the snazzy new ltspfs 0.5+debian1 and ldm 5.0.30debian1 ... floppy seems to be working fine (except there's two icons) but cdrom just doesn't do nothin.
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| 15:13 | <TiDjY> is it possible
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> TiDjY: of course it's possible. it may not be easy, however.
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| 15:14 | <TiDjY> :)
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| 15:14 | a little script :p
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| 15:14 | <jmbp> Hi...
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Something with the cdpinger, then.
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you know, i haven't even figured out if the CD mounts manually yet ...
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| 15:15 | <jmbp> I have some trouble trying to boot new clients on LTSP with ubuntu/feisty...
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: scratch that, it can mount manually.
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| 15:15 | <jmbp> apparently NIC is not being recognized...
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: where do i start debugging cdpinger ?
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| 15:16 | again, nevermind.
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, first off, is it running at all?
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> it is not running.
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Well, that's the first problem :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> for some reason, i feel the need to ask the obvious question before actually thinking about it today.
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> jmbp: What kind of nic is it?
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: any idea why the floppy is mounted twice ?
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| 15:17 | sbalneav: at least, i get two icons for it ...
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> Is it listed twice in the fstab?
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| 15:17 | <jmbp> sbalneav: it's an 82562v-2 from Intel/Dell ... client is a Vostro 200 from Dell
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: once in /media/ and once in /tmp
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> Testing under gnome?
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes.
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> jmbp: I
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| 15:19 | * vagrantc never liked the double-mount thing anyways | |
| 15:19 | <sbalneav> I'm not familiar with that card.
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> did ubuntu ever implement the virtual hal devices with ltspfs thingy ?
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> No, I don't think so.
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| 15:19 | ollie looked at it a bit, but I don't think it got far.
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| 15:19 | We'll pick it up for next time.
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| 15:20 | * vagrantc tries to fire up cdpinger manually | |
| 15:20 | <jmbp> sbalneav: thanks anyway... apparently is new and from what i've read, i has problems with the ubuntu kernel... ubuntu live cd does not recognize it...
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> ah, a tasty traceback.
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| 15:21 | well, that would explain it
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> Tracebacks = findable problem
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> NameError: global name 'call' is not defined
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| 15:22 | the part where it starts ssh ...
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| 15:23 | yeah, i don't see anything defining "call"
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| 15:23 | is there a missing subproccess import or something ?
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| 15:24 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: can you try something with the thincan? delete /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ztv_drv.so and see if autoconfiguration works better?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> from subprocess import call
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| 15:35 | now it seems like it's not using the socket or somethng
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> Sorry, phone call.
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| 15:36 | Q-FUNK: I can try that tonight.
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> hrm. and now just hung on login
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hm, wonder why it works on mine.
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: probably differences in python versions ?
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> hold on, lemme look back in the changelogs...
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| 15:37 | what version's in Deb? 2.4?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 15:37 | 2.4.4
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> Whoa
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| 15:39 | add this at the top
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> from subprocess import *
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| 15:46 | <vagrantc> so with "from subprocess import *" or "from subprocess import call" i get some authentication errors showing up on tty1
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| 15:47 | you know, the old ... "Permission denied (publickey,password)." business
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| 15:47 | which i *think* is coming from cdpinger
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| 15:50 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: alrighty. thanks!
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> hmmm... now i seem to have hung gnome
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| 16:02 | and rebooting the server doesn't even fix it ... gah.
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> ok, i think i'm figuring it out ...
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| 16:18 | sbalneav: figured it out!
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| 16:19 | sbalneav: it was calling the socket without the full path
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| 16:20 | why gnome is all kinds of flakey, well, that's another story.
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| 16:23 | * bricode greets all. | |
| 16:24 | <klausade> vagrantc: your patch to scripts/add_fstab_entry regarding LOCALDEV_FIXEDVISIBLE, how does that work together with backported ltsp 5.0.8debian3 ?
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> klausade: first off, that's not my patch.
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| 16:24 | klausade: secondly, i don't know how it works, and have no intention of including it.
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| 16:24 | well ...
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| 16:25 | klausade: it's an ugly hack at best, and we need to find some better way.
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| 16:25 | i don't remember how it works
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| 16:25 | that's more accurate :)
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| 16:26 | <klausade> vagrantc: aah, me is enlightend.
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> Cripes, that's a bug
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| 16:26 | grr, I'll fix tonight.
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's buggy for ubuntu as well ?
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> yep
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: glad to be of service :)
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> cd's I hadn't tested yet.
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: is the subprocess thing needed too ?
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> Actually, I spent time and re-implemented it in C, launchable by udev now
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: right. that sounds better in the long run.
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| 16:28 | <sbalneav> It actually calls add_fstab_entry and remove_fstab_entry
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| 16:28 | and even uses volname to name cd's nicely.
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i think "from subprocess import call" is all you need, instead of "import *"
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> But ogra's a poopyhead, and wants to leave it for hardy :)
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| 16:29 | Actually, probably for the best :)
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| 16:29 | I'm just being facetious.
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| 16:29 | err
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| 16:29 | <jammcq> hello gentlemen
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> that's not right
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| 16:30 | hey jammcq
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| 16:30 | No, it was right.
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> are we having fun today?
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> We are, as per usual.
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> monday's have been my LTSP days.
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you gonna be in boston for uds ?
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> jammcq: hope so
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| 16:30 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:30 | <sbalneav> Wednesday's washing, Friday's trash day :)
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| 16:31 | Well, time for me to head out, jammcq, you gonna be on later tonight?
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| 16:31 | <jammcq> yepper
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> freegeek's closed on mondays, so i can focus on LTSP and have a messload of hardware to test on
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> Coolio. See you all then!
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| 16:31 | <jammcq> ciao
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'll have some patches for ya tomorrow
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| 16:32 | <slidesinger> hey jammcq
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> hey slidesinger, how you doin?
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| 16:32 | I was listening to some Miles Davis a couple days ago and it reminded me of you
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| 16:33 | <slidesinger> Quite well, thanks. Working on LTSP 5 install for a computer school
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> oh, cool
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| 16:33 | <slidesinger> What have you been up to?
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> well, mostly busy with some non-ltsp stuff
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'll push my ltspfs patches and try and get a new ltspfs into debian...
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> I still try to pay attention to what's going on, but sbalneav, vagrantc and ogra are doing all the real work
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| 16:35 | <slidesinger> Nice when you're busy, but not too busy for life. That's where I have finally reached.
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:37 | <slidesinger> Believe it or not, Chip is already 8 and Becca is 6. I have to be careful not to blink or they'll be in college.
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| 16:37 | <jammcq> i've got one graduating from college next may
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| 16:38 | <slidesinger> It just passes too quickly.
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| 16:39 | <slidesinger> Well, I have to jet. Be back around 8 EDT
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| 16:39 | <jammcq> cool
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| 16:39 | see you then
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| 16:39 | <slidesinger> Right, until then.
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| 16:39 | <jmbp> hi... does anybody have had success booting clients with 82562v2 Intel NICs?
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| 16:59 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, you on?
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| 17:00 | I just reinstalled completely on a new box and on my workstation i'm getting "this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server"
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| 17:06 | <joebob777as7> this is on thin client trying to connect to server
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| 17:12 | <Gadi> try: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 17:16 | <joebob777as7> still no worky Gadi ...
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| 17:17 | <Gadi> if you have a different IP for eth0 than default, add SERVER=<ip> to lts.conf
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| 17:17 | and try again
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| 17:21 | <joebob777as7> nice it doesn't even exist...
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> joebob777as7: is that feisty or gutsy?
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| 17:21 | <joebob777as7> Gadi, do i have to do an entire ltsp-build-client?
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| 17:21 | gutsy
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> ah...
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| 17:21 | <joebob777as7> running an amd64 server so i built an i386 client
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| 17:21 | <Gadi> you can add an lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:22 | <joebob777as7> then just put [DEFAULT]
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| 17:22 | and SERVER=10.0.0.1?
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| 17:22 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 17:22 | correct
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| 17:22 | (though, default may be lowercase - not sure if its case sensitive)
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| 17:26 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: patches for cdpinger and such: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs/
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| 17:26 | sbalneav: oh, looks like you made your own patches ...
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| 17:27 | sbalneav: well, at least one patch
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| 17:27 | <joebob777as7> Gadi, while the image is rebuilding do you know if there is a way to make a symbolic link for every newly created user automatically upon creation or do i need to just log in for everyone and do it?
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| 17:29 | <Gadi> joebob777as7: 1. you needn't rebuild the image
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| 17:29 | but i guess its too late this go-around
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| 17:30 | just put lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 17:30 | it will be grabbed via tftp on boot
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| 17:30 | 2. to do anything for anyone upon login, you can add a file to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 17:30 | just make sure it happens early
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| 17:31 | does not 'exit' (as these scripts are sourced
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| 17:31 | and does not have a chance of throwing up any nonzero returns
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| 17:31 | otherwise you won't login at all
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| 17:31 | :)
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| 17:34 | <joebob777as7> nice thank you gadi it worked!
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| 17:34 | <Gadi> np
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| 17:35 | <bricode> Gadi: In gusty, if you use an explicit xorg.conf, where does it get sourced? /opt/ltsp/etc/X11/xorg.conf or somewhere else?
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| 17:35 | <Gadi> you can add XF86CONFIG_FILE directive in lts.conf
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| 17:35 | so, say you make it: /etc/myxorg.conf
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| 17:35 | you put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/myxorg.conf
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| 17:36 | <bricode> Gotcha.
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| 17:36 | <Gadi> dont forget to reroll the image
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| 17:36 | <bricode> Yeah, I know.
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| 17:36 | It takes forever.
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| 17:36 | <Gadi> best things come...
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| 17:38 | <bricode> Gadi: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf overrides all of the other lts.conf configs in /opt/ltsp/i386 right?
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| 17:39 | <Gadi> yup
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| 17:40 | * bricode just wants X to work on his thin client in Gutsy. | |
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| 17:43 | <vagrantc> gah. ltspfs isn't unmounting the floppy device when the user logs off
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| 17:45 | bricode: you have to use full paths for defining an X configuration file
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| 17:45 | XF86CONFIG_FILE will still work, but the new name is X_CONF
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| 17:46 | <bricode> vagrantc So, X_CONF = /etc/myxorg.conf or X_CONF = /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/myxorg.conf?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> bricode: /etc/myxorg.conf
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| 17:46 | bricode: if you place it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/mxorg.conf
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| 17:46 | <bricode> vagrantc: Gotcha. Thanks.
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| 17:46 | vagrantc: The AMD driver isn't playing very nice yet. I'm just trying to get vesa to work for the moment.
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| 17:47 | <Gadi> is this the stock amd driver in main?
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| 17:49 | <bricode> Gadi: Yeah. Oddly it works on a regular system, but doesn't like the LTSP environment. I'm still tracking down the cause.
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| 17:50 | Yay geodes.
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| 17:51 | <Gadi> bricode: I have noticed the amd driver doesnt like it when you dont specify the frequencies in xorg.conf
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| 17:51 | <Gadi> ie, horz and vert
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| 17:52 | <bricode> Gadi: Humm. Tricky. That would kind of make autodetection blow up pretty quickly I would imagine.
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| 17:52 | <Gadi> well, it depends which autodetection method
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| 17:52 | the feisty one, there was a cheat for
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| 17:53 | the gutsy one, I think I haven't yet submitted a patch for so that one can cheat
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| 17:53 | :)
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| 17:54 | <bricode> Gadi: You submitting patches to Jordan Crouse?
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| 17:55 | <Gadi> nah, this one would be to ogra
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| 17:55 | :)
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| 17:55 | <Gadi> I haven't had too much time to test the amd against gutsy's new autodetect yet
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| 18:02 | <loather-work> how do I get the ltsp-config thing to stop outputting garbage about the wacom tablet
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| 18:02 | <loather-work> 'cause with that wacom crap in there, X doesn't exactly work
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, did ubuntu drop the whole "mount into /tmp" idea ?
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| 18:05 | sbalneav: nothing seems to remember to unmount the fuse mount for floppies
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| 18:17 | <loather-work> does the nfs client in the ltsp-feisty.*.tar.bz2 image expect the server to be nfsv4 or something
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| 18:17 | ?
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> no
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| 18:21 | <loather-work> it says something about nfs over tcp not available from the rootserver
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| 18:21 | however, it is
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> are your DHCP server and NFS server the same server ?
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| 18:23 | <loather-work> for the time being, yes
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| 18:26 | <jammcq> helloooooooooo
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| 18:44 | * bricode claps at his Gutsy thin client setup now working. | |
| 18:45 | <bricode> You gents have been doing some nice work with that NFS going away stuff.
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| 18:50 | <bricode> How does the change away from NFS affect a fat client ltsp setup?
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> no different
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| 18:51 | <jammcq> well, except for the fact that the image sent to the client will be MUCH bigger
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> it doesn't read the whole image, does it ?
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| 18:52 | <jammcq> umm, well.... it's gonna read what it needs
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| 18:52 | and if it needs a local app, that's alot more stuff to send over the net
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| 18:52 | but I suppose no worse than reading it via nfs
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> the reads will be compressed ... so less network traffic, less load on the server, and more CPU on the client.
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| 18:55 | <bricode> So I imagine you could still use ogra's Workstation plugin to ltsp-build-client or chroot into a place and do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop right?
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> only difference is you have to re-generate the image after making any changes to the chroot
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| 19:00 | <loather-work> so, no thoughts on this nfs thing? i can see the nfs client coming through on tcp/sunrpc, and the response going back to the client
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| 19:00 | <bricode> Yeah, that's okay. Does it mount the image as r/w on the client so that any changes made to it are saved?
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> loather-work: are you able to mount from the server?
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| 19:01 | <vagrantc> loather-work: mount -o ro,nolock 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
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| 19:01 | <loather-work> vagrantc: yup. i moved it from a somewhat working 6.10 to the feisty tarball
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> loather-work: you're using nfs-kernel-server ?
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| 19:05 | <loather-work> the kernel nfsd, yeah
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| 19:29 | <loather-work> yeah, i can't see any reason why this wouldn't work.
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> i've seen that error before, and been baffled by it for hours ... and then something clicks.
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| 19:34 | not that that's very helpful ...
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| 19:44 | <loather-work> :p
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| 19:44 | yeah, sadly ...
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| 19:44 | the last nfs problem I had was due to fedora's nfsd init script stupidity
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| 19:45 | apparently, the pseudofilesystem /proc/fs/nfsd needs to be mounted in order for the kernel nfsd to actually work
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| 19:45 | however, fedora's scripts neglect to mount this
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| 19:52 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:55 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:56 | <loather-work> (beam me up?)
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| 19:56 | (sorry, i couldn't resist.)
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| 20:00 | <sbalneav> Gee, never heard that one before.
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| 20:04 | <loather-work> i know, completely unclever and unimaginative (and probably somewhat annoying)
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| 20:06 | <bricode> Does LTSP mount the new squashfs image as r/w so that any changes are kept?
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> No
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| 20:07 | <sbalneav> The squashfs is mounted readonly
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| 20:10 | <bricode> Gotcha.
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| 20:10 | Groovy.
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| 20:11 | I'll have fat client results tomorrow.
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| 20:15 | * vagrantc doesn't envy the person setting up the squashfs for a fat client | |
| 20:15 | <vagrantc> that'll take a long, long time to compress :)
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| 20:16 | slow enough with a smallish chroot
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| 20:17 | <bricode> vagrantc: Yeah. Now do it on a Geode LX 800.
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| 20:17 | I should have my head examined.
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| 20:18 | But I've got my reasons.
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> bricode: that's your server ?
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| 20:21 | <bricode> vagrantc: We'll call it a proof of concept.
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| 20:53 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 21:32 | <loather-work> anyone around?
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> so, it seems like getting the whole alsa -> pulse magic enabled on debian largely amounts to about 3-6 lines in /etc/asound.conf
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| 21:41 | <loather-work> this is me hoping that it's about the same amount of effort on fedora.
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| 21:41 | <joebob777as7> if i chmod the /etc/skel file in a certain way can i make it so all future created users are bound only to their own home folder?
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| 21:41 | <loather-work> however, i have larger targets at the moment: specifically getting the thin client to, oh, I dunno, boot? :)
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| 21:42 | <joebob777as7> loather-work, what's the issue?
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| 21:42 | <loather-work> thin client says: NFS over TCP not available from 10.0.0.1
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| 21:42 | However, it is.
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| 21:42 | <loather-work> Shortly above that, I see, "short read: 0 < 28"
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| 21:42 | <joebob777as7> oh nfs... can't really help with that... sry
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| 21:43 | <loather-work> yeah. i have a feeling it's a client-side issue, as I know this nfs server works fine
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> loather-work: are you aware of the bzr branch i did that theoretically added support for fedora ?
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| 21:44 | <loather-work> no I am not
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| 21:45 | <vagrantc> it was just a couple calls to yum, and added the hooks to mkinitrd to generate a network bootable initramfs
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| 21:46 | loather-work: there's a post on the ltsp-developer list from a few weeks ago ...
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| 21:47 | <loather-work> ok, as soon as i can find the archives i'll take a look
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> there wasn't much to it ... but i never was able to test it
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| 21:50 | <loather-work> you were the author of this post?
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| 21:51 | nevermind, i was searching the wrong list
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> well, gotta go ...
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| 22:30 | <Q-FUNK> morning!
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| 22:30 | sbalneav: bryce on #ubuntu-x might know how to get a more useful output.
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| 22:31 | <sbalneav> ok, I'll check there
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| 22:31 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: I'd suggest running /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script as a way of gathering allbasic data.
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> Never seen that before. How do I run it?
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| 22:45 | <Q-FUNK> from command line
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| 22:45 | on debian, it's used to gather all sorts of useful information about the X setup being used.
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> I run /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script, and just get a ton of errors.
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| 22:46 | <Q-FUNK> ubuntu doesn't use "reportbug" so it doesn't get used there.
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| 22:46 | oh?
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| 22:46 | with 'sudo' ?
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> I'm root on the terminal
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| 22:46 | <Q-FUNK> really odd
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| 22:47 | that indicates worse problems than we thought
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| 22:47 | the script itself shouldn't fail
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| 22:49 | really odd
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| 22:49 | that's worth reporting in itself
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| 22:49 | bryce and the guys would definitely wanna know
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| 22:50 | oh. gotta run
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| 22:50 | bbl
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| 23:03 | <loather-work> yeah, looks like vagrant's fedora mods just don't work
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| 23:04 | i'll have to tackle him tomorrow about it
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| 23:04 | bbl.
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