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Channel log from 16 December 2008 (all times are UTC)

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02:51	<nataraj> hi
02:51	how do i host LTSP server on a Windows machine?
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02:55	<Appiah> ?
02:56	well you dont..
02:56	unless your thinking of virtual servers
02:57	May I ask what you are planing on doing nataraj ?
02:57	<nataraj> well
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02:58	<nataraj> it is for a client who wants to have thin clients using linux
02:58	but wants to have the server files like pxelinux.0 kernel initrd etc and the FS image on Win XP
02:59	<Appiah> So you want the pxe part on a windows machine
02:59	<nataraj> yeah, all the stuff on the LTSP-5 server
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02:59	<Appiah> You will need a tftp server for WinXP then I'd guess
03:00	<nataraj> Actually
03:00	i have seen this guy doing something like ltsp on Windows machine
03:01	<Appiah> Ask him then?
03:01	<nataraj> i mean booting linux over pxe
03:01	well, i can't
03:01	<Appiah> Oh yes that's possible
03:01	But you will have to edit alot by yourself
03:01	<nataraj> i cant ask him
03:01	i was referred in by another guy
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03:03	<Appiah> just find out a software to run your pxe on WinXP then
03:05	My approach would be to 1) install the LTSP server and make it work 2) Turn of pxe/tftpt 3) copy the images and pxe stuff from LTSP to my WinXP Machine
03:06	4) Edit the configuration files the needs to be edited
03:07	Wanna explain the reason for running the Pxe part on WinXP btw?
03:09	<nataraj> this is a former M$ employee
03:09	i meant this guy
03:09	what he wants is ,
03:10	to use Rdp client to connect to a Windows terminal service via linux
03:10	he is well versed in Windows ,not linux
03:11	<Appiah> ok
03:11	build the ltsp-rdp envoirment in linux then
03:12	and copy it to the tftp/pxe on WinXP ?
03:12	<nataraj> one question is that
03:12	Ltsp-5 depends very much on the host OS
03:13	<Appiah> you wont be doing this with "LTSP-5"
03:13	<nataraj> oh, ok
03:13	<Appiah> Dont see why you should
03:14	<nataraj> mmmm, i was trying out Ltsp-4.2 with Intel Atom thin client machines
03:15	after pxe loads the kernel, the network card isnt getting detected
03:15	<Appiah> I think you better of doing this "from scratch" or how should you say...
03:16	Dont think there's a ltsp-rdp package for any dist(?!)
03:16	<nataraj> well, rdp client is not the problem
03:17	initially
03:17	<Appiah> Can you build a client image?
03:17	<nataraj> i need the thing to boot into linux from XP server
03:17	<Appiah> I'll take that as a no then
03:17	Well good luck
03:17	<nataraj> i mean using linux kernel
03:18	sorry
03:18	dont get me wrong
03:18	<Appiah> If you succeed you can send mail to the mailinglist telling how you did it , would be intressting to see how you solved it
03:18	<nataraj> no wait
03:18	<Appiah> wait what?
03:18	I'm going
03:18	<nataraj> pxelinux.0
03:18	kernel
03:18	file system
03:19	do we need anything else?
03:19	file system gets installed in /opt/ltsp/i386
03:20	i am talking about ltsp 4.2
03:20	<Appiah> I'm bad at that stuff since I only have experince with LTSP-5 and the scripts builds that easily for you
03:20	<nataraj> how do i make a .img of the file system?
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03:20	<Appiah> and have yet to run into a client that does not boot
03:21	you can check the scripts ltsp-build-client and such and see how they do that nataraj
03:21	now I gotta go
03:21	<nataraj> same here. dont know what happens inside
03:21	bye cya
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03:23	<Appiah> made with dd probly
03:26	<nataraj> ok
03:27	any way to simulate the whole thing by hand?
03:27	like using uBoot bootloader
03:28	where we can download each component from Nfs or tftp to specific locations and then run
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06:04	<polytan> hi
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07:37	<pasmen> hi
07:37	i'm trying to solve with local devices and rdesktop script
07:38	i run rdesktop screen.d script as the only script on thin client, and i would like to have access to local devices
07:38	is there any way how to do this?
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07:53	<ced_> hi pasmen
07:53	Why don't you use ltspfs ?
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07:54	<CAN-o-SPAM> hello #ltsp
07:54	<pasmen> i would like to use it, but as i understand the overall mechanism, ltspfs is only used together with ldm
07:54	i managed to start rdesktop using a script via LDM_SESSION parameter in lts.conf
07:55	but that makes the server very busy for 50 concurent users
07:55	and does other problems as well
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07:56	<ced_> Ok. I can't help you. I don't know rdesktop.
07:58	<pasmen> ahh ok, thanks anyway
07:59	but it's not about rdesktop in particular, the only requirement for me is to have local devices accessible on the thin client via some automount mechanism
08:02	<ced_> I'm confused because I think that ltspfs is independant of the session's type.
08:02	Do you enable FUSE on the server ?
08:04	<ogra> ced_, ltspfs needs some very special setup for rdesktop, wait for Gadi to show up, he knows about that
08:04	<ced_> If I understand, you've got one LTSP server (Linux), one Windows server and many thin clients.
08:04	Ok.
08:05	<CAN-o-SPAM> #LTSP: Help Promote Our Project! Digg This Article: http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/The-Linux-Terminal-Server-Project--/features/112254/4
08:06	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, eeek
08:06	"A tool that promises to help avoid this, the LTSP Manager, is currently under development, but it's still in an alpha version."
08:06	LTSPManager is a nonfunctional mockup
08:07	<stgraber> it's also speaking of s-c-p which stopped to exist with Hardy
08:07	<ogra> thin-client-manager is unmaintained
08:07	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: why, are you squeeking?
08:07	<ogra> stgraber, it still exists
08:07	but the only change it saw since hardy was me disabling vnc
08:07	<stgraber> ogra: hmm, right. Just not used anymore :)
08:08	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, well, i'm the author of the tools mentioned in the article and know about their (non working) status
08:09	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: it's ok, any publicity is good, i hope you put your make up on today, because i'm bringing a spotlight
08:09	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, the tool used and recommended in ltsp across the board in ubuntu since about a year (since stgraber takes good care of it) is italc
08:09	(and only italc, since it fulfills all needs at once)
08:09	all other tools are dead
08:09	or in zombie state since quite a while
08:09	<pasmen> ced_: yeah, that's what configuration i have
08:10	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: anyword from the hardware guy over at canonical?
08:10	did u bum him a smoke from me?
08:10	<ogra> he said he contacted you ?
08:10	<pasmen> the problem is, when i plug i.e. usb key in, directory appears in /var/run/drives, but is empty
08:10	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, you should have mail from "marc tardif"
08:10	<pasmen> as i've read somewhere, ltspfs depends somehow on gvfs
08:11	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: no mail
08:11	<ogra> i'll poke him again ... if i see him
08:11	<ced_> pasmen: so the difficulty you have is that the LTSP server shall tell to the Windows server that one of your thin client has a new device.
08:11	<stgraber> he's on IRC, joined 4mins ago
08:11	<ogra> he said we dont have a cert programme for thin clients specifically, but he can certify the HW with attached disk and had mailed you about it ... weird
08:11	<pasmen> afaik that's not possible with rdp protocol
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08:12	<pasmen> but i can use -r option of rdesktop to statically redirect the directory to windows
08:12	so the only way to solve is to get device mounted on thin client anywhere, when it's plugged in
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08:13	<ogra> pasmen, wait for Gadi
08:13	<ced_> Yes, but the Windows server will not know it.
08:13	<ogra> you need a special setup of ltspfs for rdesktop
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08:14	<ogra> he is working on that
08:14	<pasmen> ahhh
08:14	good to know :-)
08:14	<ogra> speaking of the devil :)
08:14	<stgraber> Gadi: good timing :)
08:14	* Gadi looks around for devil
08:14	<pasmen> Gadi: hi, i've heard you can help me :-)
08:14	<Gadi> uh oh
08:14	<stgraber> Gadi: do you have your rdesktop script around ? looks like pasmen and I need it
08:14	<Gadi> hmm....
08:14	in what way?
08:14	<stgraber> Gadi: I'll also likely have some time to look at that ltspfs change
08:14	* ogra points at Gadi's little horns hidden under the hair :)
08:15	<Gadi> hey, thats a common misconception about my people
08:15	:)
08:15	they arent so little
08:15	doh!
08:15	anyway, what did I stumble into here?
08:15	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, despite the tools being idle i wouldnt mind anyone picking up the code and going on with their development btw ... but promoting them widely is not a good idea
08:17	<Gadi> ah, ok
08:17	remind me to thank nubae for keeping logs
08:17	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: maybe an amazing programmer will fall from a tree and help out? :-O
08:17	<Gadi> this whole conversation makes a lot more sense
08:18	pasman, stgraber: I am still working on porting my gutsy-LTSP-based hacks to new upstream
08:18	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, yes, but i'm concerned that our default tool thats used on all distros isnt mentioned at all, only the broken non working ones are listed
08:18	<pasmen> Gadi: i need to make local devices work on the thin client, as i'm using rdesktop script as the only screen script
08:18	<Gadi> new upstream is a LOT easier to merge into
08:18	pasmen: this is what I do:
08:19	* pasmen is listening
08:19	<Gadi> 1. install ltspfs in the chroot
08:19	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, ergh and the article promotes thin clients from 16 to 24M as a good choice ???
08:19	<Gadi> 2. hack /lib/udev/ltspfs_entry to make a local call to ltspfsmounter (in addition to the ssh call)
08:19	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, these wont even boot
08:20	<Gadi> 3. the call in #2 needs to fake a few things like DISPLAY and SSH_CONNECTION env var
08:20	also, I currently run rdesktop as a non-root user, but that is because I didn't want to hack upstream's scripts
08:20	<pasmen> sounds little complicated to implement is myself :-)
08:20	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, it seems to be written after more than 2 year old docs as well
08:20	<Gadi> This is what I plan to do for upstream:
08:21	1. Modify ltspfsmounter so it can be called from localhost and not mount things under /media/$USER/ but under /media
08:21	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, that will give a really bad user experience, nothing they describe there will work as promoted at all
08:21	<Gadi> 2. Modify ltspfs_entry as above
08:21	3. install ltspfs in the chroot
08:21	and bam!
08:21	* ogra wishes the heise guy would have contacted him for review ... oh my
08:22	<Gadi> then, I simply redirect /media through rdesktop
08:22	<pasmen> but
08:22	ehm, nothing, my bad :-)
08:22	<Gadi> pasmen: the mods are few, but I can use testers when Im done
08:22	you up for testing?
08:23	<pasmen> of course !
08:23	that would be great
08:23	<Gadi> what makes a lot of this easier, is that the new ltspfs upstream calls ltspfs_entry for everythin
08:24	even cdpinger uses it
08:24	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, i live in the same city ... he could have even gone out for a coffee with me so i could have explained it to him (since i wrote most of todays base) that article will shed very bad light on us if users follo it
08:24	<pasmen> i would even help, if i find a spare time
08:24	<Gadi> back in Gutsy, I had to modify all the little ltspfs scripts to get everything to make the calls
08:24	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: if it sheds more light, people will find the appropriate resources, and have better expirences, right?
08:24	<pasmen> to be honest, i don't even get the big picture of how it works atm
08:25	which would at least help my understanding
08:25	* CAN-o-SPAM thinks maybe ogra should contact the writer?
08:25	<Gadi> pasmen: do you get how localdev works normally?
08:25	with LDM?
08:25	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, it will fail for everyone on first try who follows the instructions in there
08:25	<pasmen> i think so, at least i've read the ltsp manual and the ldm chapter :-)
08:25	<ogra> the whole info seems to be based on ubuntu dapper
08:26	<CAN-o-SPAM> ok, so we need to get people on the right track, lets do that
08:26	<Gadi> basically: udev calls ssh ltspfsmounter which makes an ltspfs mount to the client (from the server) which mounts the media on the client upon access
08:26	<CAN-o-SPAM> this is an opportunity
08:26	people need LTSP, they have no money
08:26	<Gadi> so, for rdesktop, I just do the same process, but all local
08:27	<pasmen> i don't know how ltspfs works
08:27	<Gadi> that way, I get ltspfs's great automounting properties
08:27	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, indeed, but there are proper resources for info even for article writers
08:27	<Gadi> ltspfs = network automount
08:27	<pasmen> ok
08:27	so it's visible on the server but not on the client with ltspfs
08:27	<Gadi> whenever you access the ltspfs mount, it mounts the drive on the client and accesses it
08:27	<ogra> i think i even know the article, it was in the rinted version of the german linux magazine two years ago
08:28	*printed
08:28	<Gadi> well, the steady-state is an unmounted drive
08:28	<ogra> and doesnt seem to have been updated at all
08:28	<Gadi> it only gets mounted when accessed through the ltspfs mount
08:28	<ogra> looks like a copy/paste job
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08:28	<pasmen> ahh
08:28	<Gadi> so, I just make local ltspfs mounts
08:28	:)
08:29	<pasmen> ye ye, that's what i just wanted to ask :-)
08:29	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: rek@ct.heise.de
08:29	<pasmen> alright, i think i'm a bit smarter now, thanks :-)
08:29	<Gadi> its great - and uses code we already have
08:29	<pasmen> sounds good to me
08:29	<Gadi> so, we dont introduce automount or supermount or smbfs or anything
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08:30	<pasmen> i did hack ltsp 4.2 to use automount
08:30	and it didn't really work well
08:30	cd's got stuck in cdroms etc.
08:30	<Gadi> yeah - ltspfs works quite well
08:30	because it was designed for this
08:30	<pasmen> is it a lot changes to implement it?
08:30	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, i'm really drowning in porting ubuntu to ARM atm, can you coordinate and point him to me ? i'm fine taking 1h or so to review stuff from him but what he writes atm is 98% wrong
08:30	<Gadi> and if there is a bug, and we fix it, it gets fixed for all
08:30	<CAN-o-SPAM> sure wats your e-mail
08:30	<Gadi> pasmen: not really
08:31	pasmen: do you know how to use bzr?
08:31	<pasmen> nope, but i'm learing fast :-)
08:31	i know what it is
08:31	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, ogra@ubuntu.com ... oliver.grawert@canonical.com ... decide how official you want me to be :)
08:31	<pasmen> just didn't use it
08:31	<Gadi> I will create a branch of ltspfs and we can test that
08:31	<pasmen> ok thanks
08:31	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, or ogra@ltsp.org ;)
08:31	<pasmen> that would be really great
08:32	<Gadi> cool. stay tuned....
08:32	<pasmen> ok, thanks again
08:32	<Gadi> (PS: we also need this kind of thing for local apps, so we can kill many birds with one stone)
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08:32	<Gadi> ... until ogra gets us ssh-dbus ;)
08:32	<pasmen> heh
08:33	well, i use ltsp just for rdesktop for now
08:33	<Gadi> pasmen: so do most of my customers
08:33	:)
08:33	<pasmen> ye
08:33	<CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: e-mail done, we will see what comes down the line
08:33	<pasmen> the management is the problem
08:33	<ogra> Gadi, i'm on vacation soon ... so i should have some time for ltsp then
08:34	<pasmen> at least in my company
08:34	<Gadi> ogra: sounds like a vacation ;)
08:34	most people go to the beach
08:34	<ogra> CAN-o-SPAM, thanks ... sorry to put that on you but i have to do ltsp in my spare time nowadays and job is keeping me to busy atm
08:34	Gadi, not in germany in winter :P
08:34	<CAN-o-SPAM> no problem i want to help where i can
08:35	<pscheie> warren, I applied to join the bzrk12ltsp and alt-bzrk12ltsp groups on fedorapeople because one must be sponsored in a group other than CLA
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08:35	<pscheie> warren, do you have to do something to approve those, since you're listed as the admin for those groups?
08:35	* ogra dives back into ubuntu work and fixing build failures on ARM
08:35	<warren> pscheie: hold, let me see
08:36	<Gadi> ooh 33 updates this morning
08:36	<warren> Gadi: that's normal for us daily =)
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08:36	<Gadi> no whammy, no whammy, no whammy...
08:37	(whatever happened to that show?)
08:37	<ogra> warren, just because you backport the world :)
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08:37	<warren> The world is not enough.
08:37	<ogra> heh
08:37	<silvergti> hello
08:38	<ced_> The "Building custom LTSP kernels" wiki page ( http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels ) makes refers to the ltsp_kernel_kit. Is it still exist ? I didn't find it in the debian packages.
08:38	<Gadi> ced_: that LTSP 4.2 stuff
08:38	are you on 4.2?
08:38	<ced_> No, i'm using LSTP 5.
08:39	<ogra> ced_, on lts5 you should use the distro kernel and the way to build that sepcific one from the distro package
08:39	<Gadi> then, alas, that will be of little help
08:39	<warren> that page should be removed
08:39	<ogra> likely documented in the debian wiki or some such
08:39	<ced_> Ok. Shall i compile my new kernel in the chroot dir ?
08:39	<ogra> ced_, what exactly do you want to change in the kernel ?
08:40	<Gadi> ced_: are server and client both i386?
08:40	<ced_> No, i found nothing about that in the debian wiki.
08:40	<Gadi> er, 32-bit?
08:40	<ced_> Yes, they are both i386 in 32-bit. I just want to optimize my kernel for the Wyse S50.
08:41	<pscheie> warren, not remove the page, just clearly mark it as being for 4.2 and obsolete
08:41	<Gadi> ced_: then, you should be able to do your work server-side
08:41	* ogra wouldnt recommend to do a custom kernel though ... for the cost of upgradeability
08:41	<ced_> and put it in the chroot after ?
08:42	<silvergti> I need some help... got Ubuntu 8.10 and Thinclients from NEC. But they don't boot :( they stop with "IP-Config: eth0 hardware address (MAC Address) mtu 1500 DHCP RARP"
08:42	<Gadi> ced_: actually, no, its prolly easiest to do everything in the chroot
08:43	<ced_> Thanks,It's what I want to know.
08:43	<Gadi> that way the update-initramfs and such will work properly
08:43	<ced_> Good.
08:43	<Gadi> and pull in the correct initramfs
08:43	<silvergti> hello
08:43	* warren remembers the days where he would build the entire kernel into a single blob because he couldn't figure out how initrd worked
08:43	<ced_> Is it possible to not use the initramfs ?
08:44	<Gadi> silvergti: do they have more than one NIC?
08:44	<silvergti> no
08:44	<Gadi> ced_: only if you compile it into the kernel
08:44	<ogra> well
08:44	<ced_> It's what I want.
08:44	<ogra> you will likely get a lot of probs
08:44	<ced_> why ?
08:45	<ogra> because all the netbooting is handled through initramfs
08:45	so you will need to djust a lot
08:45	*adjust
08:45	<pasmen> silvergti: how long did you wait with this message?
08:45	<ced_> It's what i fear !
08:45	<silvergti> i'm still waiting
08:45	<pasmen> i had the same issue, sometimes restart helps, sometimes it just takes long, then is continues
08:46	<ogra> its imho not worth the time you put into it and lose the ability to pull in security updates and fixes
08:46	<silvergti> but it can't take that long... :P
08:46	<ced_> Ok. So i can optimize my kernel but i should keep the initramfs stuff.
08:46	<pasmen> silvergti: once i also had the i386.img corrupted
08:46	after the rebuild all was fine
08:46	<ogra> what exactly doesnt work with debians default kernel ?
08:47	<silvergti> pasmen: i got 2 ltsp servers (8.04 and 8.10) and got this in both
08:47	<ced_> Everything goes well but the client is booting very long.
08:47	<pasmen> ok
08:48	can't be the network overloaded?
08:48	<silvergti> no
08:48	<Gadi> silvergti: add: break=mount to pxelinux.cfg/default
08:48	<silvergti> it's local and we don't have much traffic
08:49	<Gadi> that will get you to an initramfs shell
08:49	on the client
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08:49	<Gadi> and you can see whats going on
08:49	<silvergti> ok ty :)
08:49	<Gadi> could be a bad network driver
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08:50	<Gadi> or it could be that the NIC does not come up as eth0
08:51	<silvergti> do i need to build, after add that in file?
08:51	<ogra> sounds likely
08:51	<Gadi> silvergti: its not an extra line
08:51	it goes on the same line as "splash"
08:51	like: splash break=mount
08:51	<silvergti> DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img break=mount quiet splash
08:51	<Gadi> right
08:51	<ogra> remove splash and quiet
08:52	<Gadi> save and reboot
08:52	you need not rebuild
08:52	<ogra> and add break=mount
08:52	<silvergti> ok
08:52	<Gadi> (its a kernel argument)
08:52	<ogra> and then just boot
08:52	<Gadi> oh, right. hehe remove splash
08:52	:)
08:52	otherwise ur flying blind
08:52	<silvergti> alt+f1
08:52	:P
08:53	<ogra> that doesnt gain you much with splash and quiet :)
08:53	<silvergti> w quiet guess not
08:53	:P
08:53	i need to reboot the server?
08:53	<ogra> no
08:54	only the client
08:54	<pasmen> Gadi: can i ask one more related issue?
08:54	rdesktop related
08:54	<Gadi> indeed
08:54	you have not yet reached ur quota
08:54	<pasmen> maybe it's more of a windows server issue, don't know
08:54	lol
08:54	ok, it's about the logon timeout
08:55	when i do not login and hang at logon screen, rdesktop ends after, dunno, 1 minute or so
08:55	<stgraber> yeah, it's a windows issue
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08:55	<pasmen> ahh ok
08:55	<Gadi> right
08:55	put rdesktop in a loop
08:55	<pasmen> is that timeout cutomizable?
08:55	<Gadi> no
08:55	<pasmen> i see
08:56	ty
08:56	<Gadi> in my rdesktop script, I have rdesktop in a while loop
08:56	(within X)
08:56	so, X never respawns
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08:56	<Gadi> (barring ctrl-alt-backspace)
08:57	<pasmen> ok, something like rdesktop wrapper from 4.2?
08:57	<Gadi> ;)
08:57	<ogra> Gadi, wasnt that in intrepid ?
08:57	<Gadi> exactly
08:57	ogra: not sure
08:57	* ogra thought Gadi submitted tht upstream
08:57	<Gadi> I did and then we reworked the xinitrc stuff
08:58	not sure what the state of the union is
08:58	<pasmen> no loop in stock 8.10 install
08:58	<Gadi> I have a much more complicated rdeskwtop wrapper right now
08:58	<pasmen> ubuntu i mean
08:58	<ogra> i think your new rdesktop script went in before
08:58	<Gadi> that I think is upstream-worthy
08:58	<silvergti> ok... it's stopped at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/hid/usbhis/hid-core.c: v2.6:USB HID core driver
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08:58	<Gadi> but, not sure if I do any Gadi-isms
08:59	<ogra> you surely do :)
08:59	<Gadi> silvergti: do an ifconfig
08:59	<silvergti> shows noting
08:59	<Gadi> silvergti: not even lo?
09:00	how about ifconfig -a?
09:00	<ogra> Gadi, not in initramfs ...
09:00	(lo)
09:00	<Gadi> oh
09:00	<silvergti> ok, -a show eth0 and lo
09:00	<ogra> gets brought up later
09:00	<Gadi> right
09:00	<ogra> oh
09:00	<Gadi> thx, ogra
09:00	<ogra> :P
09:01	<Gadi> silvergti: can you do ipconfig -d eth0
09:01	<silvergti> done (noting returned)
09:03	* ogra wonders what brings up lo though ... there is no code for it
09:03	<Gadi> silvergti: how about without -d?
09:03	just: ipconfig eth0
09:03	<silvergti> show eth0
09:04	<Gadi> silvergti: does it get an IP address?
09:04	<silvergti> without any IP
09:04	<Gadi> modprobe -q af_packet
09:04	ipconfig eth0
09:05	<silvergti> modprobe -q af_packet --> Registered protocol family 17
09:05	ipconfig eth0 --> show eth0 config, but no IP
09:06	<Gadi> ipconfig -d eth0
09:06	<silvergti> noting returned
09:07	<Gadi> run_scripts /scripts/nfs-top
09:07	ipconfig -d eth0
09:07	ipconfig eth0
09:08	<silvergti> no found run_scripts
09:08	if i just do /scripts/nfs-top --> permission denied
09:09	<Gadi> sh /scripts/nfs-top/udev
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09:10	<silvergti> no fail, but noting return
09:10	<Gadi> and now do the ipconfig's
09:10	<silvergti> k
09:10	* Gadi wonders why it is not requesting an IP
09:10	<Gadi> maybe: ps -ale
09:10	and see if ipconfig is already running
09:11	<silvergti> nop, it's not there
09:11	and still no IP
09:11	<Gadi> hmm
09:12	<silvergti> drivers?
09:12	<Gadi> could be
09:12	do u know what network driver it uses?
09:12	<silvergti> no
09:13	<pasmen> can't it be dhcp lease collision?
09:13	<silvergti> no
09:13	<Gadi> are there errors in your syslog on the server?
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09:13	<Gadi> like no free leases, etc?
09:13	<silvergti> Dec 16 14:57:08 LTSP in.tftpd[7486]: tftp: client does not accept options
09:14	no, theres no problem with the dhcp server
09:14	<ogra> thats your kernel ... you obviously got it
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09:14	<tinpardo> hi
09:15	<ogra> do you happen to run a second dhcpd in your network ?
09:15	on a router or some such ...
09:15	<tinpardo> i do
09:15	ogra
09:15	<silvergti> i have a dhcp sevrer
09:15	server*
09:16	<ogra> additionally to the ltsp one ?
09:16	<tinpardo> y
09:16	<silvergti> my ltsp is not a dhcpd
09:16	<ogra> ah
09:17	<tinpardo> you have to use mac addreess to identify who server assign who ip
09:18	<silvergti> i know, but i have it in global, so every pxe client will boot from ltsp
09:18	<ogra> which apparently works ... else you wouldnt get kernel and initramfs
09:18	<silvergti> yep
09:19	but ltsp works in my laptop
09:19	and in some virtual machines
09:20	<ogra> do you know what kind of NIC is in the client ?
09:20	(lspci might help)
09:20	<silvergti> realtek i guess
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09:20	<silvergti> 8111b/8111c
09:21	<pasmen> hmm, that's what i have in my PC's that make problems as well
09:21	<silvergti> gigabit
09:21	<ogra> probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/208012
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09:22	<silvergti> ok, gonna try :) ty
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09:24	<ogra> seems there are issues with the in kernel driver ...
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09:25	<EXP2> is it possible to connect a webcam to client?
09:25	<silvergti> this got to work... because i have 40 NEC clients... -_-'
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09:27	<ogra> well, complain at realtek for not contributing properly to the upstream kernel
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09:30	<ogra> they often do that with their drivers ... develop a whole new thing out of kernel and wait until someone moans loud enough to get the stuff upstream
09:32	<silvergti> :S
09:35	<ogra> at least they publish the source of their kernel modules so you can build it yourself most of the time
09:35	(which doesnt always help though)
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09:45	<silvergti> that thing in ubunut bugs it's not working... :(
09:47	<ogra> you did build the module in the chroot, right ?
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09:50	<silvergti> humm... maybe not
09:54	<ogra> you coulld ask this guy https://launchpad.net/~cschieli/+archive if he would do a build thats compatible with intrepid's kernel
09:56	<silvergti> ok
10:00	<ogra> silvergti, go to #ubuntu-kernel and talk to rtg
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10:00	<silvergti> ok, ty
10:03	<Gadi> pasmen: here's a first pass: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk-local
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10:04	<ogra> but beware, gadisms might eat your firstborn :P
10:04	* ogra is only joking indeed :)
10:04	<Gadi> dont joke
10:04	they just might
10:04	<ogra> heh
10:05	<pasmen> Gadi: thanks
10:06	but, what's that? :-)
10:06	<Gadi> pasmen: if you grab that branch and grab the intrepid source for the current ltspfs,
10:06	you can copy the debian dir into it and roll some debs
10:06	<pasmen> ok
10:06	<Gadi> bzr branch lp:~gideon/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk-local
10:07	<pasmen> i see
10:07	i first have to make a launchpad login
10:07	<Gadi> then, install your new debs for ltspfs and ltspfsd in the chroot
10:07	and reroll the image
10:07	<pasmen> i'll do it, but i guess tomorrow, no time for the rest of the day (and night....)
10:07	<Gadi> then, set rdesktop -r disk:drives=/media
10:07	<pasmen> thanks anyway, i'll let you know tomorrow
10:08	<Gadi> and we'll see
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10:09	<stgraber> Gadi: I can have it tested in 5 minutes
10:09	(did I mention it's on my todolist for today ? :))
10:09	<Gadi> stgraber: cool - I was a little unsure how to handle the Xauth stuff, so for now I set DISPLAY to the first Xserver running on the box
10:10	so, if you have 2 sessions, it may work in the first but not the second
10:10	that's something to test
10:10	(ie, if rdesktop is the ONLY session versus the second)
10:12	<stgraber> Gadi: ok, I patched both scripts, I'm not rebuilding the chroot
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10:36	<stgraber> Gadi: hmm, our rdesktop script is a bit broken
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11:00	<Gadi> stgraber: broken how?
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11:00	<ogra> it ate his firstborn
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11:20	<nubae> hey ogra, do u know if there are any ubuntu certified thin clients?
11:20	<ogra> nubae, there arent (yet)
11:20	<nubae> oh, some are undergoing the process?
11:21	<ogra> not as thin clients ...
11:21	but with attached local storage i think there might be something in the process
11:21	<nubae> how can Canonical support LTSP then...
11:22	<ogra> ??
11:22	how can adobe support photoshop without supporting your nvidia card on windows ?
11:22	<nubae> if doesn't certify the hardware, it seems it would be difficult to support the clients
11:22	<ogra> its a software
11:23	<warren> ogra: do you folks have out-of-the-box mac LTSP client boot?
11:23	ogra: like old imacs
11:23	I have it partially working now
11:24	<ogra> warren, we had that once ... but needs some manual change in openfirmware
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11:24	<warren> ogra: setting the tftp address and filename to download I'm guessing
11:24	<ogra> you need to switch it to boot from network by default if you dont want to hold down apple+n each boot
11:24	<warren> boot enet:0 isn't working here
11:24	<ogra> no, just tell it to use the NIC as default boot device
11:24	<warren> I need to use
11:24	boot enet:IPADDRESS,yaboot
11:25	<ogra> thats bad
11:25	<warren> ogra: do you have the working dhcpd.conf recipe for that?
11:25	<ogra> boot enet:0 used to work on my ibook when i tested ... but thats years ago
11:25	http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
11:26	thats one used to work back in ubuntu dapper when i touched PPC last
11:26	(i.e. 2 years ago)
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11:36	<warren> ogra: hmm filename "/ltsp/yaboot";
11:37	ogra: OFW here fails to download tftp from a directory, I had to move yaboot into the tftpdir
11:37	might be different versions of OFW
11:37	<ogra> no, old ltsp setup
11:38	ignore that part
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11:39	<gate_keeper_> hi guys
11:40	i've recompiled kernel for ltsp5 (ubuntu) with some extra sound modules added
11:41	installed like *.deb
11:42	when clients booting i still get module not found ..
11:42	MODULE_01 = via82cxxx_audio
11:42	MODULE_02 = intel8x0
11:43	<warren> why are you trying to use OSS sound modules?
11:44	<gate_keeper_> :-/
11:45	MODULE_03 = ac97_codec
11:45	also
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11:51	<gate_keeper_> Module:
11:51	ac97_codec not found
11:51	on booting
11:53	<CAN-o-SPAM_> nubae: what makes you want Ubuntu certified thin clients?
11:54	<nubae> not me per se, but schools, unis and governments do
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12:00	<cliebow> i also found that yaboot needed to be in the root of the tftp directory\
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12:17	<ogra> geez !
12:17	http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/gst-openmax-demo-on-the-beagleboard/
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12:18	<ogra> HD video on the beagleboard ... eting only 12% CPU !
12:18	*eating
12:19	<cliebow> past tense is et..
12:19	last week i et some grub
12:19	<ogra> heh
12:20	<cliebow> last winter i het my house with wood
12:20	<pasmen> Gadi: still around?
12:20	<Gadi> present
12:20	<pasmen> i finally got a spare minute to try the branch you sent me before
12:21	i'm stuck at x11 and fuse packages missing while trying to build
12:21	probably i'm doing something wrong
12:21	<Gadi> sudo apt-get build-dep ltspfs
12:21	<pasmen> oh
12:21	let me try again
12:22	dammit
12:22	<Ahmuck> what's a beagleboard?
12:22	<pasmen> ok, time to work again...
12:22	i'll try it later and let you know
12:22	thanks a lot for now
12:22	<Gadi> ok
12:22	<pasmen> nnl
12:22	*bbl
12:23	<ogra> Ahmuck, http://beagleboard.org/
12:23	<johnny> get me a beagleboard laptop ogra
12:23	<ogra> Ahmuck, the future
12:23	<johnny> ogra, i mean now :)
12:23	hehe
12:23	<ogra> johnny, i'l put you on the list ... though these will be way more powerful than te beagle
12:24	<johnny> what will?
12:24	<ogra> the ARM based laptops
12:24	<johnny> oh
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12:24	<johnny> linux is uniquely positioned to steal this market
12:24	go portability
12:24	flash folks have already started
12:25	which is good
12:25	* ogra has still about 30 packages that fail to build on ubuntu ... then the whole of main will be done
12:26	<ogra> flash for arm exists since quite a while
12:26	<johnny> so do you know about any arm laptops in production?
12:26	<ogra> java is at least in ubuntu been ported recently
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12:27	<stgraber> Gadi: hmm, ok so I have rdesktop working with /media mapped, I plugged a usbkey and nothing seems to have triggered ltspfsmount any idea ?
12:27	<ogra> i know there are plans ... i have yet to see real HW though
12:27	<johnny> i can't wait
12:27	<Gadi> stgraber: do you have ltspfsmounter locally in the chroot?
12:27	<stgraber> Gadi: yep
12:27	<johnny> i wonder how the battery life will be
12:27	<ogra> eternal
12:27	:)
12:27	<Gadi> is rdesktop the only screen session?
12:28	<stgraber> Gadi: yeah, I had to restart it a couple of time to fix the broken screen.d script
12:28	<Gadi> what was broken?
12:28	<johnny> ogra, i think i'd be happy with the same thing as beagleboard on a wap
12:28	that'd be pretty awesome
12:28	minus the video components
12:29	<stgraber> Gadi: missing ${X_ARGS} so didn't have -config working
12:29	<ogra> the beagle only has 128M Ram
12:29	<stgraber> Gadi: I'll commit this fix a bit later
12:29	<ogra> and no disk controller
12:29	<Gadi> ah, ok
12:29	can you get a shell on the client?
12:29	<ogra> you want something that takes 256 or 512M and has a SATA controller
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12:30	<johnny> sata controller? more like 2 gig ssd or something
12:30	something really cheap
12:30	<ogra> mine currently uses a 6G SDHC class6 card
12:30	<johnny> damn
12:30	<ogra> its usable, but slow
12:30	<johnny> for a wireless access point?
12:30	wth you need 6G in that?
12:30	<ogra> i compile stuff on it :)
12:31	<stgraber> Gadi: I have a shell on it
12:31	<ogra> and it has no network devices ... only a USB port
12:31	<johnny> yeah
12:31	that's why i can't use beagleboard directly
12:31	needs two ports
12:31	<Gadi> stgraber: what display is the Xserver on?
12:31	:6?
12:31	<ogra> just get a USB HUB
12:32	Gadi, you ot weird smileys today :)
12:32	*got
12:32	<johnny> is there anytihing that can run hostap on usb network devices ?
12:32	<Gadi> its a weird smiley day
12:32	;)
12:32	<ogra> johnny, no idea ... USB WLAN devices just show up as WLAN cards though
12:32	<stgraber> Gadi: :7
12:33	<johnny> i know that ogra .. but if it can't run as a master.. it can't be used
12:33	<ogra> i never tried
12:33	<johnny> plus you need to install antennas
12:33	<ogra> no idea
12:33	<Gadi> stgraber: on shell: DISPLAY=:7 /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter add /var/run/drives/<blah>
12:33	<johnny> also.. usb isn't quite gigabit for internal nic :)
12:34	<Gadi> johnny: I hear USB3 will be
12:35	<silvergti> time to go home... tks for help guys!
12:35	<stgraber> root@ltsp:/etc/udev/rules.d# DISPLAY=:7 /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter add /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1
12:36	unknown command
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12:37	<Gadi> uhm, I thought you said it was installed
12:37	:)
12:38	did we move ltspfsmounter?
12:38	<ogra> if so, vagrant did
12:38	we sync from debian now
12:41	<Gadi> ogra: do you know where the sound file is for the test sound tone that gnome uses?
12:41	(in Preferences > Sound)
12:41	* ogra didnt knoe there was a testsound
12:41	<Gadi> you know, there's a pulsate dialog
12:41	<ogra> i usually use the alsa sounds
12:42	<Gadi> yeah, but thats just noise
12:42	<_UsUrPeR_> has anyone had any luck with CUPS printing to a client through NXclient?
12:42	<Gadi> I like a nice tone
12:42	<ogra> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
12:42	thats a friendly woman
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12:45	<pasmen> Gadi: don't know if you got my last message before i was disconnected
12:46	there isn't any script to produce packages once i compiled the source right?
12:46	<Gadi> pasmen: apt-get source ltspfs
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12:46	<pasmen> oh
12:46	<Gadi> then copy the debian dir from there to the bzr branch
12:46	<pasmen> i'm sorry, i'm not much of ubuntu user :-)
12:46	<Gadi> then, in the bzr branch, dpkg-buildpackage
12:47	<pasmen> ok thanks
12:47	<Gadi> no worries
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12:48	<ogra> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
12:49	(and make sure fakeroot is installed)
12:51	<pasmen> did that, seems like it didn't create images, just directory structure
12:51	or i'm blind, let me see :-)
12:51	<ogra> it should creae the .deb in ../
12:52	<pasmen> jeeze, you are right...
12:52	silly me
12:52	thanks
12:52	now, i simply install these in the chroot using dpkg -i right?
12:52	<ogra> right
12:53	<pasmen> ok, gonna test it
12:53	thanks for now guys
12:53	<ogra> and since you are on ubuntu, run sudo ltsp-update-image on the server
12:54	<pasmen> bah, did passwd right after the install :-)
12:54	but yea, that's what i usually forget, to rebuild the image
12:54	<ogra> ??
12:54	<pasmen> no sudo i meant
12:55	<ogra> ah, well, your choice to shot yourself in the foot then
12:55	*shoot
12:55	<pasmen> :-)
12:57	<Gadi> pasmen: found a few mistakes
12:57	<pasmen> oh
12:57	<Gadi> go into the bzr branch
12:57	do bzr pull
12:57	and repackage and reinstall
12:57	<pasmen> ok
12:57	thanks
12:58	<ogra> and watch kittens die :)
13:01	<pasmen> also, ./autogen.sh complains about ChangeLog not present
13:01	<Nubae> that would be a cool easter egg
13:01	kittens dying in the terminal if u build the source :p
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13:04	<ogra> pasmen, because autogen is to dumb to use "bzr log" :)
13:04	<pasmen> :-)
13:04	ok, i'm going to install those new packages
13:05	<ogra> but watch your kittens :)
13:06	<pasmen> hehe
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13:08	<pasmen> ok, lets test thin client
13:10	<Gadi> pasmen: make a shell password as well
13:10	so we can test some of the stuff by hand
13:10	<pasmen> what do you mean exactly?
13:10	<Gadi> meaning, so you can get a shell on the client
13:10	<pasmen> u mean password for the root in the chroot?
13:11	i did that
13:11	<Gadi> yeah
13:11	ok good
13:11	so you can log in on ctrl-alt-f1
13:11	<pasmen> yap
13:11	i'm there
13:11	/media empty after i plugged usb key in
13:11	lot of errors in dmesh
13:11	*dmesg
13:12	<Gadi> can you run this at the shell:
13:12	DISPLAY=:7 USER="" /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:12	<pasmen> let me see
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13:13	<pasmen> i set DISPLAY to :2 cuz i have rdesktop script on screen 2
13:13	Coulnd't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom.
13:13	Error: /tmp/.root-ltspfs/ is not mounted
13:13	<Gadi> pasmen ls /tmp/.X*lock
13:13	<pasmen> /tmp is empty
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13:14	<Gadi> ls -a /tmp
13:14	<pasmen> ahh, god, yea
13:14	-r--r--r-- .X2-lock
13:14	<Gadi> ah, ok
13:15	hmm... we need a token
13:15	<pasmen> :-)
13:15	<Gadi> forgot about that
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13:20	<Gadi> pasmen: does your client have an /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/ dir?
13:20	<pasmen> nope, it doesn't
13:20	<Gadi> ok - add this to the top of your rdesktop script
13:21	ie, to the top of $chroot/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
13:22	http://pastebot.ltsp.org/141
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13:23	<pasmen> ok, gimme a sec
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13:28	<pasmen> no change
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13:29	<pasmen> did the same command with ltspfsmounter, the output is the same
13:30	<Gadi> ls /var/run/ltspfs_token
13:30	does it exist?
13:30	<pasmen> yup
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13:30	<pasmen> i checked the code at the beginning of the rdesktop script
13:30	i don't explicitely set LOCALDEV to true in lts.conf
13:30	as it's the default
13:30	<Gadi> thats ok
13:31	<pasmen> ok
13:31	<Gadi> and it still gives you an error that it cannot read the LTSPFS_TOKEN?
13:31	<pasmen> yeah
13:31	<Gadi> hmm...
13:31	what if you drop the USER=""
13:31	<pasmen> let me see
13:31	<Gadi> do this:
13:32	DISPLAY=:7 SSH_CONNECTION="localhost" /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:32	oops
13:32	DISPLAY=:2 ;)
13:32	for you
13:32	<pasmen> ;-)
13:32	ye
13:33	still the same
13:33	<Gadi> try:
13:33	export DISPLAY=:2
13:33	then:
13:33	<pasmen> ok
13:34	<Gadi> export SSH_CONNECTION="localhost"
13:34	then:
13:34	/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 add
13:35	<pasmen> hmm
13:35	still the same
13:35	dammit
13:35	:-)
13:35	<Gadi> hmm
13:35	<pasmen> unfortunately, gtg now ...
13:35	<Gadi> ok
13:35	<pasmen> thanks for all
13:35	can we continue then?
13:35	<Gadi> sure
13:35	<pasmen> if you have time and mood :-)
13:35	thanks a lot
13:35	<Gadi> of course
13:36	<pasmen> see you later
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13:37	<Gadi> the easiest thing would be to disable the xauth piece if we get a connection from localhost
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13:43	<jammcq> hellooo friends
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13:44	<CAN-o-SPAM_> hi jam! did u get an e-mail from rcc?
13:44	<jammcq> umm, no
13:44	<CAN-o-SPAM_> we should make a quick plan for thursday?
13:44	<jammcq> ok
13:44	what time does it start?
13:44	<CAN-o-SPAM_> 6 - 11
13:44	<jammcq> and... is dinner provided?
13:46	<CAN-o-SPAM_> some sort of food, no details provided i'd guess pizza
13:48	ok sounds like appetizers
13:48	<Gadi> !seen sbalneav
13:48	<ltspbot`> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <sbalneav> it always makes me chuckle
13:49	<jammcq> !seen gadi
13:49	<ltspbot`> jammcq: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 12 seconds ago: <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
13:49	* Gadi waves to jammcq
13:49	<jammcq> shalom my friend
13:49	<Gadi> gutentag
13:49	* jammcq hopes he said it right, and it's appropriate
13:50	<Gadi> kinda hard to screw up
13:50	its like "How now brown cow"
13:50	any C programmers here?
13:51	* Gadi watches the tumblin tumbleweed
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13:51	<Gadi> vagrantc: !
13:53	<CAN-o-SPAM_> jam: sounds like we might need some dinner before
13:53	<jammcq> hmm
13:53	I vote for the korean place
13:53	<CAN-o-SPAM_> wheres that?
13:53	<warren> jammcq: mouth watering
13:53	<jammcq> on University dr, in Ann Arbor
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13:55	<vagrantc> Gadi: hi!
13:55	* cliebow cliebow counts with fingers how long a drive to ann arbor..
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13:59	<warren> Gadi: vagrantc: ogra: stgraber: Ryan52: anybody plan on doing anything upstream? I want to tag and build soon.
13:59	<Gadi> warren: not today
13:59	<Ryan52> fine by me
13:59	<Gadi> I mean I wont do anything to it today
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14:00	<Gadi> while we're all here, there are a few files that I think are in the wrong trunks
14:00	there's an ldm script in the ltspfs trunk
14:00	thats 1
14:00	2. the ldm screen script really belongs in the ltsp trunk with the others
14:02	<stgraber> I guess it was done in such a way that ldm shouldn't be a hard depend
14:02	as you might do ltsp without ldm with just either a text login or a rdesktop login
14:02	and then wouldn't like to have the ldm screen.d script
14:02	<Gadi> why not?
14:02	<stgraber> (because it'd call a non-existing binary)
14:02	<Gadi> its just a hook
14:02	it should check for it
14:03	just like rdesktop
14:03	rdesktop is not a hard dep of ltsp, is it?
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14:03	<Gadi> that would be ironic
14:03	<six2one> hey, who is in a2? i am as well
14:05	<CAN-o-SPAM_> a2? a2geeks?
14:05	<six2one> ann arbor
14:07	<CAN-o-SPAM_> i'll be there jammcq will be there too
14:07	<six2one> awesome, something going on down here?
14:08	<CAN-o-SPAM_> arbcamp? see this link: http://www.a2geeks.org/display/geek/ArbCamp+08
14:10	<Gadi> Ryan52: your ldm-dialog can be called on its own right? without ldm
14:10	<Ryan52> ya
14:10	<Gadi> cool
14:10	* Gadi uses dialog all over the place
14:10	<Gadi> *dialogs
14:11	it is nice to use it in other screen scripts and such
14:12	Ryan52: ur a C guy, no?
14:12	can I compare this to a string:
14:13	* Ryan52 nods
14:13	<Gadi> struct sockaddr_in cli_addr;
14:13	like: if (cli_addr = "127.0.0.1")
14:13	or something
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14:15	<Ryan52> one second..
14:16	<vagrantc> Gadi: i disagree about where the scripts belong
14:16	<CAN-o-SPAM_> #a2geeks
14:16	whoops
14:16	<alkisg> Gadi: eeeek :)
14:16	<Ryan52> Gadi: char destination_buffer[INET_ADDRSTRLEN]; inet_ntop(ADDRESS_FAMILY_HERE, cli_addr.sin_addr, destination_buffer, sizeof(destination_buffer)); if (!strcmp("127.0.0.1", destination_buffer)) { blah; }
14:16	that might work :)
14:17	oh, ADDRESS_FAMILY_HERE is AF_INET
14:17	<Gadi> ok....
14:17	:)
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14:18	<Gadi> does !strcmp mean that it matches because it returns 0?
14:18	<Ryan52> yup
14:18	<vagrantc> Gadi: one of the big advantages of hook dirs is that one package can extend the functionality of another
14:18	<Gadi> ok
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14:19	<vagrantc> Gadi: so the ldm screen script extends the functionality of ltsp to support ltsp ... the ltspfs hook for ldm adds ltspfs functionality to ldm
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14:20	<vagrantc> Gadi: errr... let me confuse the issue more...
14:20	<Gadi> I suppose - certain things just seem inconsistent
14:20	<vagrantc> Gadi: so the ldm screen script extends the functionality of ltsp to support ldm ... the ltspfs hook for ldm adds ltspfs functionality to ldm
14:20	Gadi: we don't have as much control over the rdesktop maintenance, so we ship our own script for that
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14:21	<vagrantc> Gadi: but in theory, i'd think it'd actually belong in rdesktop
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14:21	<vagrantc> Gadi: i'd like to move in the direction of consistancy ... i.e. ldm itself has no code related to ltspfs, just hooks that ltspfs fills in
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14:29	<warren> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/29574.html Attempts to get various PPC macs netbooting (failures)
14:31	* cliebow cliebow looks..
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14:36	<cliebow> warren: id idnt see this magic incantation anywhere..fwiw
14:36	option vendor-encapsulated-options 01:01:02:08:04:01:00:00:01:82:
14:36	<Gadi> Ryan52: error: incompatible type for argument 2 of ‘inet_ntop’
14:36	<warren> cliebow: what exactly does that do?
14:36	<Gadi> Ryan52: does that need a void or some such?
14:36	<cliebow> damned if i know..it is what i had to add to get g3's running..
14:37	<warren> I tried that, it didn't seem to make any difference.
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14:37	<cliebow> it has been a couple years since i did anything at all with it..i'll see if i can give you a link to my notes at ltsp.org if you like..
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14:38	<Ryan52> Gadi: err, the second arguent should be: (void *)&cli_addr.sin_addr.saddr
14:39	(I think)
14:39	<Gadi> much better
14:39	that compiles
14:40	<cliebow> nothing new in here obviously..http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CpuArchitectures#LTSP_on_Latter_Day_Macintosh_G3
14:42	<vagrantc> warren: i was thinking of uploading ldm today
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14:43	<CAN-o-SPAM_> warren: you have any idea how many hits your blog gets? *can u watch that?
14:44	<warren> CAN-o-SPAM_: about 40k hits a day, mostly from Fedora Planet
14:49	<vagrantc> warren: are you planning on tagging ldm-trunk as is?
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14:50	<warren> vagrantc: yes
14:50	vagrantc: i'm looking over ltsp-trunk now
14:50	vagrantc: go ahead and tag/build ldm
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15:26	<_UsUrPeR_> ok, just got a F10 install working. For some reason, it won't allow me to log on to the client. I type user and pass, then it waits a few seconds and brings up the K12 login screen without any errors
15:27	I'm not seeing any failed logon attempts in /var/log/messages
15:27	where else should I be looking?
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15:28	<alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: Try "ssh server" from the TC console?
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15:28	<_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: nothing. Is this a firewall issue?
15:28	wait, no hostname
15:28	oh. Do clients need to be in the hosts file?
15:29	<alkisg> At least in ubuntu they have server = the server and localhost defined
15:30	<_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: oh. Lemme try to ssh to the server's IP :)
15:30	alkisg: that works :/
15:30	<alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: try adding the server to /etc/hosts, and then switch back to ldm
15:32	<_UsUrPeR_> interesting
15:32	<alkisg> What, it worked? !!!
15:32	<_UsUrPeR_> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf uses 172.16.100.* IP addresses in the default IP assignment so I put 254 at the server location
15:33	while hosts file uses 192.168.0.* for all it's workstation assignments
15:33	<vagrantc> oh, we never did the gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks -> gtk2-engines-clearlooks change...
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15:33	<Q-FUNK> Ahoy!
15:33	<alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: (again, in ubuntu) the default is 192.168... in dhcpd...
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15:38	<_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: good catch, but that didn't seem to fix anything :/
15:43	* vagrantc tags and pushes ldm-trunk 2.0.24
15:45	<alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: if ssh works without saying anything like "do you want to continue connecting" (which would upset ldm), and ldm doesn't work, and nothing is written at the logs, then I don't know what could be wrong...
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15:50	<_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: No prob. I think I need to re-install
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15:50	<_UsUrPeR_> this looks bigger than both of us
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15:51	* alkisg is a linux/ltsp newbie...
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15:55	<vagrantc> Ryan52: alas, ldm 2.0.24 didn't solve the issue at freegeek
15:55	<Ryan52> I figured it wouldn't
15:56	<vagrantc> yeah, but there was hope
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15:56	<vagrantc> the "log in as guest" button seems to be nice and visible and ugly, though :)
15:57	<alkisg> nice and ugly? !
15:57	<Ryan52> oh good :)
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16:00	<vagrantc> Ryan52: regarding gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks, it isn't a package in debian.
16:01	looks like greeter-gtkrc was switched to gtk2-engines-clearlooks at some point, though i still see mention of an ubuntu engine.
16:01	don't know if that was an incomplete transition, or what...
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16:04	<Ryan52> vagrantc, srsly?
16:04	is this an ubuntu system I'm on?!?! :p
16:04	o i c. it's in lenny and sid.
16:05	I installed gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks and things looked different. that's all I'm going by :)
16:06	<vagrantc> hrm.
16:06	i guess i was looking on an etch system ...
16:07	how much purtier does it get?
16:09	<Ryan52> lots :)
16:09	everything gets round and glossy looking
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16:13	<vagrantc> Ryan52: ah, yes. it does look a little nicer ... although the username/password box has a crazy red line all around it
16:13	<Ryan52> I know.
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16:20	<vagrantc> Ryan52: using clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks looks identical if i edit the greeter-gtkrc file to use clearlooks instead
16:21	<Ryan52> oh, ok.
16:22	<vagrantc> although i wonder if ubuntulooks isn't at least smaller for debian.
16:22	upstream would probably make more sense to use clearlooks in the default theme
16:22	<Ryan52> clearlooks is installed anyway, I think.
16:23	ldm depends on libgtk2.0-0 which depends on gtk2-engines which provides gtk2-engines-clearlooks
16:23	<vagrantc> yeah, that's a dependency
16:23	<johnny> yes.. please make it clearlooks
16:23	that way i can dep on something in my standard repositories
16:23	been meaning to bring that up
16:24	* johnny will give you a cookie
16:24	<Ryan52> hehe
16:25	<johnny> it'd be nice if the default theme could look nicer also :)
16:25	but no folks in here seem to be artists
16:26	<Ryan52> warren's theme is nice.
16:26	he had artist peoples do it, but he didn't share them :(
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16:31	* vagrantc has a habit of uploading to debian and then committing additional changes to trunk immediately afterwards
16:33	<Ryan52> heh
16:35	<johnny> is it just for fedora?
16:35	<Ryan52> ya. it's a k12 linux theme...we might be able to steal some of it, tho.
16:36	<johnny> i'd just like to use gdm themes..
16:36	not feasible atm tho
16:39	<Ryan52> vagrantc, pfft. it's not identical. it's less shiny :p
16:44	<vagrantc> Ryan52: i don't notice.
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17:09	<stgraber> ok, I just made rdesktop to actually work with the new screen-session.d thing
17:09	so it's actually possible to use it now :)
17:10	just need to make it add the various -r disk/sound/... depending on the lts.conf parameters so we don't need to do that config twice
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17:13	* vagrantc wonders why we haven't put "-br" in X_ARGS
17:14	<vagrantc> we have it hard-coded in rdesktop, xdmcp and ldm's screen scripts
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17:27	<stgraber> vagrantc: do you have 2.0.24 orig.tar.gz somewhere ?
17:28	<vagrantc> stgraber: http://incoming.debian.org/
17:29	<stgraber> thanks
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18:37	<stgraber> warren: I'd like to tag ltsp-trunk soon too, anything else you want to push ?
18:38	<warren> stgraber: just go ahead
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19:46	<n2o_2k> hello
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19:55	<warren> vagrantc for got to tag
19:55	* warren pushes the tag
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20:21	<n2o_2k> /w/indow 2
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20:30	<map7> I'm using LTSP 5.1.29 and I'm having trouble when shutting down my diskless clients. I get the error 'nbd0: Receive control failed (result -4)', has anyone got any experience with fixing this problem?
20:31	I'm using mythbuntu (ubuntu 8.10) as my server.
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20:58	<dmhardison> I have been reading about setting up fatclients, but it appears that all it is doing is mounting a network filesystem, placing a lot of strain on the network, probably causing programs to run slowly. Is this a fair assumption?
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21:05	<Ahmuck> dmhardison: what distro?
21:05	<dmhardison> ubuntu probably.
21:06	<Ahmuck> dmhardison: try edubuntu, Nubae
21:06	specifially the channel #edubuntu
21:07	<dmhardison> I was just considering the speed of the applications if I have say a classroom of 10 students loading the same program.
21:08	Okay thank you.
21:08	<n2o_2k> if the choice was giving which distro will you base your ltsp between k12linux(fedora 9) and edubuntu ?
21:09	<johnny> they dont' have a fedora10 one yet?
21:10	<n2o_2k> yeah, fedora10 is out
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22:33	<pr0cess0r> hi all i need some help my thin client shot the ubuntu loading ans hang there...
22:36	<johnny> remove quiet and splash from your /var/lib/tftpboot/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
22:36	and then you'll see all the messages
22:44	<pr0cess0r> i dont have pxelinux.cfg
22:44	is it a folder or file ?
22:45	found it
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22:48	<pr0cess0r> ok i did it
22:49	now i see loading and where it stop
22:50	i have this line that look suspect /sbin/modprobe abnormal exit
22:51	my client a prety recent notebook is it possible that i dont have the good drivers ?
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23:05	<pr0cess0r> johnny are you here ?
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23:30	<johnny> pr0cess0r, after what?
23:33	<pr0cess0r> i foun it my networkcard module that is missing
23:33	now i try to find the name of the modeule to add it
23:33	i have exactly this error http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=915533
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23:41	<johnny> did you do the thing in the last post ?
23:41	that looks like it should solve it
23:42	<pr0cess0r> good i added my network card driver to my server image i will test it tomorow
23:42	yes i followed this guide
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23:42	<pr0cess0r> using 8139too driver
23:43	its wierd my laptop stay at ubuntu loading that mean pxe work and tftp
23:43	<johnny> yes
23:43	that stuff has little to do with the linux network driver
23:43	it is not weird at all
23:43	<pr0cess0r> but i have one more trouble my pentium 3 with a 3com network card fail to boot it dont get reply from tftp server
23:44	<johnny> it all happens before linux
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23:44	<pr0cess0r> i know now that my laptop touble must be network driver
23:44	<johnny> i've had similiar problems
23:44	i just went with the floppy solution
23:44	<pr0cess0r> but whit my old p3 dont boot i dont know
23:44	<johnny> instead of fixing it
23:44	so i can't help you
23:44	<pr0cess0r> i will try floppy solution firt too !
23:45	<johnny> and taped up the floppy driver
23:45	floppy drive*
23:45	so my users wouldn't mess with it
23:45	<pr0cess0r> if it work with floppy im happy
23:45	its just a server to have some fun and learn thing
23:46	i study to become a tech but they dont tech alot about linux
23:46	<johnny> do you mean teach?
23:46	tech and then teach
23:46	no.. i doubt they do.. they probably know very little.. so how could they teach it
23:46	people who know linux will be ahead of the curve tho
23:46	<pr0cess0r> lol
23:47	<johnny> especially with the current economic situations
23:47	<pr0cess0r> yes i think its a good thing to now to get a job
23:47	<johnny> and to help your clients
23:47	who can't afford to run windows for so many machines
23:47	<pr0cess0r> yes
23:48	<johnny> i used gentoo to teach me everything about linux
23:48	ubuntu does too much magic.. that is hard to learn how to fix
23:48	if you're new
23:48	<pr0cess0r> my school have the largest thin client network in north america but i cant have any help there...
23:48	<johnny> well .. ubuntu/fedora/suse/blah
23:48	i'd recommend you try linuxfromscratch once
23:49	if you really want to learn how a distro ticks
23:49	<pr0cess0r> i used gentoo on the xbox you learn alot more
23:49	<johnny> i learned gentoo.. and because of that.. i can fix most problems
23:49	even on ubuntu
23:49	i use ubuntu at my store
23:49	my gf uses ubuntu
23:49	<pr0cess0r> you are able to sell computer with ubuntu
23:49	<johnny> sure..
23:49	or opensuse
23:50	<pr0cess0r> k
23:50	<johnny> or anything like that
23:50	i'm using fedora10 on this laptop
23:50	has newer software than ubuntu
23:50	<pr0cess0r> here they need MSN all the time lol
23:50	<johnny> that's the main reason i don't really use ubuntu
23:50	for my own machines
23:50	i play with too new of stuff often for ubuntu
23:50	<pr0cess0r> ok
23:51	<johnny> just fine for others
23:51	<pr0cess0r> when its on ubuntu its because its stable
23:51	fedora is very nice
23:52	i ahve the live cd ltsp sevrer it worked in 5 min
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23:54	<johnny> yeah.. warren gave me on on usb
23:54	hello cyberorg
23:54	<Chidder> python-updater
23:54	<johnny> how are you?
23:54	<cyberorg> hi johnny :)
23:55	<warren> johnny: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/dbus/1.2.4/2.fc10/ upgrade your dbus to this version to unbreak lots of stuff
23:55	<johnny> pr0cess0r, cyberorg here helps out with ltsp on pensuse
23:55	opensuse*
23:55	warren, seriously? like what?
23:55	<warren> johnny: like half of the desktop
23:55	<johnny> what does it unbreak?
23:55	for example?
23:56	<warren> umm
23:56	<johnny> everything i use seems to work
23:56	<warren> rpm -q dbus
23:56	?
23:56	<johnny> dbus-1.2.8-1.fc10.i386
23:56	<warren> ok well, lots of stuff is broken with that dbus
23:56	<johnny> i haven't noticed
23:56	<warren> it was so broken that we downgraded
23:57	<johnny> packagekit works.. weather applet
23:57	<warren> you'll get 1.2.4-2 soon in an update
23:57	<johnny> gajim..
23:57	my tune updating
23:57	i have yet to notice a thing once packagekit was fixed
23:57	warren, i would have bugged you already if i knew of any more problems :)
23:58	warren, how are you ?