IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 March 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:29 | <JayRhithu> facing Issue in PiNet login... pls help
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> !pinet
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| 06:30 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'pinet', but I do know about these similar topics: 'paste'
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> !raspberrypi
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| 06:30 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 06:30 | <JayRhithu> ya
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> (1) and (2) are supported here
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| 06:30 | (3) is not
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| 06:31 | Pinet is not the recommented method to netboot PIs with LTSP
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| 06:34 | <JayRhithu> ok... i gt info from pinet.org.uk tht support will be available here... no probs... is it possible to run an application installed in Ubuntu server on a Raspberry client through LTSP? (eg: firefox)
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> Of course it's possible
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| 06:35 | Tell pinet.org.uk that we don't support pinet here, they'll have to come again here and support it themselves if they want to :)
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| 06:35 | <JayRhithu> ok... ok...
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> (we helped them build it, but they didn't want to properly send it to debian/ubuntu repositories, so that's the extend of our help there :))
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| 06:38 | The other 2 methods are properly integrated into debian and ubuntu
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| 06:38 | <JayRhithu> ok
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| 06:40 | I have server (AMD CPU, 4GB Ram, 500GB HDD, Edubuntu 14.04 (LTS-Trusty Thar), i need to create a LTSP lab with Raspberry Pi Model 2 clients.
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| 06:42 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi --- shall i choose this?
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> !client-list
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| 09:46 | <ltsp> client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
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| 11:26 | <new__ubuntu> is it a must to use ubuntu mate for ltsp?
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| 11:26 | what is the features in ubuntu mate to makes it preferable? for ltsp
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| 12:27 | <new__ubuntu> h all
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| 12:27 | comparing italc and epoptes
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| 12:27 | had any one tried it before?
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| 12:28 | <JayRhithu> hi alkisg, Raspi-LTSP server installed and sd card image file created but RPi stucks with "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" (initramfs)
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| 12:28 | pls help..
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| 12:56 | <vlt> new__ubuntu: In general MATE seems to be more leightweight than some other environments which makes it suitable for terminals.
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| 13:24 | <ZAJDAN> vlt: since I use linux I always used Gnome2...same opinion..is fast, minimalistic and nevertheless strong
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| 13:25 | I never seen better applet than in Gnome2 -symbol Map......everywhere else it is terrible
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| 13:26 | and Thanks to MATE we can use legendary Gnome2 :_)
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| 13:30 | <vlt> For some reason I can't Alt+Tab to more than one other program anymore on Ubuntu 16.04 MATE. It drives me crazy.
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| 13:37 | <ZAJDAN> On ubuntu I do not know, but on debian it is ok
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> vlt, does it happen for all users, new users, guests etc, or just you?
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| 14:07 | Or are you talking for inside vnc/rdp?
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| 14:11 | <vlt> All users (including new ones). We are connected via xrdp, yes.
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| 14:12 | Many other key combination work (ctrl-shift-left, ...-right, AltGr+e for €, ...+q for @).
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| 14:13 | But some don#t.
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| 14:13 | <alkisg> OK then it's not certain that it's a mate issue, it might be a combination of software interacting with each other
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| 14:14 | E.g. when multiple sources try to handle the keyboard repeat, they fight with each other
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| 14:14 | In x11vnc there are heuristics to bypass that because there's no proper API to do it
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| 14:14 | <vlt> I'll try to verify that in remote X mode.
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> First verify that it doesn't happen locally :
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| 14:14 | <vlt> Another problem: Any idea how to make the screensaver work when running MATE desktop in an xrdp/xvnc session?
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| 14:15 | alkisg: Locally? How?
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> Log in to the server, or to a worstation, or to an ltsp fat client
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| 14:15 | Anywhere where mate doesn't run remotely
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| 14:17 | <vlt> On Ubuntu 12.04 I had MATE running in Xvnc sessions without any key stroke problems. Now on 16.04 it's hard to even get mate-session running in a pure Xvnc session (without xrdp's sesman).
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| 14:17 | I'll do some tests and report back.
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| 14:17 | alkisg: Any idea about the screensaver/lock?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> I think that's because remote sessions don't properly notify accountsservice about the login session, and the screensaver asks that accountsservice API
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| 14:18 | So the fix would be in xvnc/xrdp, not in mate
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| 14:19 | (in their "new session" handlers
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| 14:19 | Well, or in accountsservice
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| 14:19 | The problem with ltsp fat clients getting a screensaver when they don't have a password set though, that's a mate issue :D
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| 14:50 | <ZAJDAN> did anybody try LTSP on Slackware?
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: you can't just try ltsp on different distributions, you have to implement it, maintain it there
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| 15:02 | New code should be added, bugs should be fixed etc, it's not a job for users but for developers
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| 15:02 | Hopefully now with ltsp-pnp that task will be a lot easier, but he still have a lot of ltsp5 legacy to keep up with
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| 15:03 | At some point there was an ltsp maintainer for gentoo. I don't think any developer has worked on supporting ltsp on slackware...
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| 15:05 | <ZAJDAN> Centos is maintained about LTSP?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> There was a guy many years ago that supported ltsp on fedora and hence centos, and made k12linux etc
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| 15:07 | I don't think it's maintained in at least the last 5 years
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| 15:08 | <ZAJDAN> anyway the best is Debian :)
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Debian and Ubuntu have good support for LTSP, yes. Choosing between them is a matter of other priorities, not LTSP.
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| 15:13 | <ZAJDAN> is somehow possible create in LTSP boot menu which will offer boot 'instant system'(default LTSB) and installation image of some Linux distros
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| 15:13 | should I read about syslinux?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Yes, but it's not related to LTSP, it's a standard multiboot menu
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| 15:13 | Yes
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| 15:13 | LTSP has support for a menu, but you need more than that
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| 15:14 | <ZAJDAN> for diskless station the menu will come from LTSP server
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| 15:15 | when I do not want to use floppy or CD
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> Yes, but it won't be the ltsp menu, it will be a pxelinux menu that comes from "a server"
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| 15:15 | <ZAJDAN> so from this reason I am interested how to make in LTSP
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> The fact that you're also using ltsp is not too related
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| 15:16 | Read about pxelinux menus
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| 15:16 | <ZAJDAN> ok...thnx for the info
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> np
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| 19:18 | <hima> hi all
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| 19:18 | when i run ipconfig
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| 19:18 | on my server terminal
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| 19:18 | it did not show any network interfaces except local ine
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| 19:18 | lo
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| 19:54 | <||cw> hima: on the server itself? you do need to make your server OS install work on the lan before even starting to configure ltsp
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| 19:55 | <hima> i solved
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| 19:55 | by stoping Network manager
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| 19:55 | and start it again
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| 21:08 | * vagrantc waves to sbalneav | |
| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc
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| 21:23 | <ZAJDAN> hi vagrant.....yesterday we spoke about the Debian bugreport...today I had plan simulate the problem
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| 21:23 | but I am not sure which package I should to report
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| 21:24 | probably I will try to check out what is in dmesg, /var/log/syslog * errorlog
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| 21:25 | where you recommend take the info for the report?
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| 21:26 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: the failure to boot issue?
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| 21:26 | er, failure to reboot
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| 21:27 | or failure to poweroff?
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| 21:27 | ZAJDAN: probably ltsp-client for starters, we can always reassign later
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| 21:27 | ZAJDAN: are you using without a chroot (e.g. ltsp-pnp style?)
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| 21:28 | <ZAJDAN> from epoptes reboot Thin Client and shutdown also
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| 21:29 | yes pnp, but on Debian 8 it works nice(without problem) just with debian 9 is the problem
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| 21:29 | <vagrantc> right
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| 21:29 | my guess is it's a problem even when not using epoptes
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: it's best to involve as few applications as possible; so instead of using epoptes to shutdown, just try to shutdown from LDM. If it happens from there as well, it's not an epoptes issue and the persons that will look at that bug report won't have to bother about that
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| 21:30 | Usual suspects are: nbd-client/nbd-disconnect, systemd, and ifupdown
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: but i'd rather have the bug report to begin the conversation than attempting to get it perfect
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| 21:30 | <ZAJDAN> ok..sounds logic..will try
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| 21:30 | <vagrantc> it's easy to reassign bugs, clone them, etc. as appropriate
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| 21:31 | <ZAJDAN> shutdown from LDM?
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> the login screen
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| 21:32 | <ZAJDAN> but in this case I hace to set off autologin in lts.conf...yes?
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| 21:33 | to get login screen on client station
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| 21:34 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 21:35 | <ZAJDAN> ahh I could do switch user and maybe will appears login window
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| 21:35 | <vagrantc> no
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| 21:35 | could also try shutdown from within session
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> If it's a fat client...
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> could also open a root shell and run poweroff with some arguments
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| 21:36 | <ZAJDAN> thin client do the problem
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> or if you're using lxde :)
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> ZAJDAN: fat clients poweroff properly?!
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> fat clients are fine?
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| 21:38 | i think ubuntu saw this problem first, and then in some recent update, debian started seeing it
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| 21:38 | <ZAJDAN> I remember that yes, but I will boot one station now to we could see
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| 21:38 | * vagrantc suspects when NBD switched to using systemd natively or something | |
| 21:40 | <alkisg> I think the last time I checked that issue, the best solution was to write systemd units for ltsp
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| 21:40 | Now that ubuntu 12.04 won't be supported anymore, it'll be a good time to move to systemd... :D
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| 21:41 | <vagrantc> oh boy, break new world/flamefest
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| 21:41 | brave new...
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| 21:43 | <ZAJDAN> Debian9-newly booted Thin client - from login screen -> reboot --->frozen with LDM background(without inputs, icons,etc)
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| 21:44 | <alkisg> Thin clients are no different to fat clients at LDM
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| 21:44 | The difference is after login
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| 21:44 | But do try with a fat client too...
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| 21:45 | <ZAJDAN> same problem FAT clients just difference(LDM background, input, icons..still displayed ) but all frozen
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> You can also specify SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf, and run `poweroff` at that shell, so that you see systemd messages on screen
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| 21:45 | Also, make sure that you don't have anything in rc.local
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| 21:45 | <ZAJDAN> rc.local is default
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| 21:46 | <alkisg> (like RCFILE_xx in lts.conf)
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| 21:47 | <ZAJDAN> ok should I try SCREEN_07=shell ...?
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| 21:47 | erka
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| 21:47 | <alkisg> I think it's better, eys
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| 21:47 | yes
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| 21:47 | <ZAJDAN> to see the otput from systemd
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| 21:47 | ok...will try
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| 21:49 | thin boy is booting now
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| 21:49 | is up...now I will try reboot from LDM
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| 21:50 | <alkisg> If you have SCREEN_07=shell, there shouldn't be any LDM at all
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| 21:51 | Just a command line to run `poweroff` from
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| 21:51 | <ZAJDAN> tru
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| 21:51 | * alkisg waves, good night all... | |
| 21:51 | <ZAJDAN> just terminal...so I rebooted from the terminal and reboot was successfully done
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| 21:52 | so can we say that the problem is LDM?
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 21:59 | if that's the case, then probably some desktop environment is holding some file descriptor open
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| 22:00 | but if from LDM it still fails... hmmm... that's strange.
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| 22:00 | LDM shouldn't really be any different than SCREEN_07=shell
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| 22:01 | ZAJDAN: you might want to do a few repeated attempts, just in case it's a race condition that only works/fails some of the time
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| 22:07 | <ZAJDAN> vargrantc: from LDM?
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: from shell too
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| 22:09 | e.g. you had one success... but 1 attempt isn't much
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| 22:10 | <ZAJDAN> ok
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| 22:11 | <vagrantc> ZAJDAN: in the end, file a bug on one of ldm or ltsp-client with the information you have available... and we'll go from there :)
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| 22:12 | <ZAJDAN> FAT client - when LDM - I login ..then from menu..LogOut...from login screen reboot - successfully
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| 22:15 | again FAT client -> login from LDM....from menu LogOut -> login screen -> reboot - successfully
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| 22:16 | again in same way - successfully
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> now i'd be curious to see the same from a thin client
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| 22:18 | <ZAJDAN> 3x login from LDM(login screen) - user completely loged - > menu ->LogOut -> login screen -> reboot ---> successfully
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| 22:20 | when I boot up the FAT client ..stay in LDM login screen -> reboot - client frozen
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| 22:20 | now I will try with Thin
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| 22:22 | result about the FAT: I have to be completely loged into MATE enviroment...then is possible reboot
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| 22:24 | Think client? problem in both cases
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| 22:25 | Thin
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| 22:26 | ha!
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| 22:27 | I let the Thin client fozen and after cca 3 minutes....rebooted itself
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> ok... that sounds more likely an issue with ltsp-client/nbd interaction
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