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Channel log from 11 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:35 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:35 | <daduke> Pascal_1: bonjour
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| 02:51 | <jeffbuntu> hi all
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| 02:54 | i use a cluster HPC with ltsp, but i test a little tweaking without success :(
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| 02:59 | i wish a tftp server who listen and serve two NIC on the same network
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| 03:00 | i pratice tftpd-hpa can reply to one NIC or another NIC, but only one time
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| 03:01 | after one reply, the tftp server is locked on a single NIC and ignore the others !
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| 03:01 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, hi, what do you use for HPC?
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| 03:02 | <jeffbuntu> ubuntu+ltsp+sge and i'm happy with that
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| 03:03 | <cyberorg> is there a howto for that setup?
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| 03:03 | <jeffbuntu> +openmpi
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| 03:04 | more or less, but i think a year ago i was the first to test this
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| 03:04 | <cyberorg> where can i find document to implement something like this in lts?
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| 03:05 | <jeffbuntu> i talk about that in the edubuntu dev list, but nobody was interresting
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| 03:05 | <daduke> jeffbuntu: I'm interested too!
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| 03:05 | <jeffbuntu> only one indian student ask me, and i know it's work for him
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| 03:06 | <daduke> jeffbuntu: I'm on etch, hence I don't hang out in edubuntu dev
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| 03:06 | <cyberorg> i am interested as i would like to make it possible for everyone to implement it easily :)
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| 03:07 | last few days i've been thinking about starting kiwi-ltsp-hpc project, didnt know where to start
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| 03:07 | <jeffbuntu> a documentation exist now about setup client in edubuntu
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| 03:07 | <cyberorg> surely we can adapt it
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| 03:08 | <daduke> cyberorg: you aware of http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/multiple-server-setup.html ?
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| 03:08 | <jeffbuntu> the base is the "fat thin client"
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| 03:09 | <cyberorg> daduke, that has very little on it
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| 03:09 | <Nubae> hmm really? why is low fat client base?
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| 03:09 | <daduke> cyberorg: it's all I got ;)
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| 03:10 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, where can i find the doc you mentioned?
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| 03:10 | <daduke> cyberorg: I haven't found the time to implement it, but as we now have > 50 clients on one LTSP server, I have to start thinking about HA.
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| 03:11 | <jeffbuntu> one minute, i look
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| 03:12 | <cyberorg> daduke, i saw that link some time back, it is mainly a LTSP server loadbalancing, HPC is something else
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| 03:12 | <jeffbuntu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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| 03:13 | <Nubae> right I wrote that... whats that got to do with load balancing?
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| 03:14 | <jeffbuntu> in my case, i do it more simple, i don't use LDAP
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| 03:14 | <Nubae> yeah the --workstation plugin works that way
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| 03:15 | <jeffbuntu> i just copy /etc/passwd , /etc/group and /etc/shadow into the chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 (or i386)
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| 03:15 | because the number of users is very low
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| 03:15 | <Nubae> right, but then u have to do that every time there is a new user
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| 03:16 | also, be careful as the gids on the client side may be wrong
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| 03:16 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, where is openmpi and other clustering configurations required?
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| 03:17 | <Nubae> u mean openmosix?
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| 03:18 | <cyberorg> Nubae, no openmpi+sge
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| 03:18 | <jeffbuntu> nothing of special for openmpi, and sun documentation for SGE
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| 03:19 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, what config for openmpi on clientchroot and server?
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| 03:20 | <jeffbuntu> the package openmpi exist in ubuntu
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| 03:20 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, i have absolutely no clue what is minimum configuration required for all the services involved
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| 03:20 | i have openmpi installed
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| 03:21 | briefly what i read, it required passwordless ssh access to all the clients
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| 03:21 | <cyberorg> shared folder mounted via nfs
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| 03:21 | <jeffbuntu> yes nfs
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| 03:21 | only the /home is in nfs
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| 03:22 | the others packages necessary are in the nodes images
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| 03:22 | <cyberorg> what else is required?
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| 03:23 | are you using enterprise sge or open source one?
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| 03:23 | <jeffbuntu> ssh, nfs-common,binutils,tcsh
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| 03:24 | SGE open source
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| 03:24 | <cyberorg> i meant packages specially required for clustering
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| 03:25 | <jeffbuntu> i use SGE in tar.gz
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| 03:26 | untar SGE in /home/sgeadmin on the server
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| 03:27 | <cyberorg> how does submitting tasks happen, for example is it transparent? like if someone runs blender and starts rendering huge animation, does it get distributed automaticaly?
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| 03:27 | <jeffbuntu> and cp /home/sgeadmin/default/common/sgeexecd /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/init.d/
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| 03:28 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, these? http://gridengine.sunsource.net/downloads/61/download.html
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| 03:29 | <jeffbuntu> the link it's good
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| 03:30 | <jeffbuntu> don't forget to update ltsp "ltsp-update-image" after modification
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| 03:31 | can'i repost my question : i wish a tftp server who listen and serve two NIC on the same network ?
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| 03:32 | <cyberorg> ok, so 1. i install openmpi, on server and client chroot, 2. setup passwordless ssh access to the clients, 3. nfs mounted /home on the client, copy /etc/passwd-shadow-group in the TC, extract SGE and copy over sgeexecd
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| 03:33 | jeffbuntu, sorry about your question, dont know the answer :(
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| 03:33 | what config do i do for openmpi and SGE?
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| 03:34 | <jeffbuntu> the config of openmpi it's in fact more in SGE where you configure the "PE" (parallel environnement)
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| 03:35 | with openmpi the "PE" is "orte"
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| 03:38 | one little thing useful is "ntp" and "ntpdate" on the server to diffuse time on the private network
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| 03:38 | <cyberorg> you know if SGE license permits redistribution?
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| 03:38 | <jeffbuntu> and have all the nodes synchrone
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| 03:39 | i don't know ?
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| 03:41 | <cyberorg> jeffbuntu, thanks, i'll pick your brains more when i actually get started, hopefully we should have something soon :)
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| 03:41 | captain_magnus, want to work on this? ^^
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| 03:44 | <jeffbuntu> good luck, may be i comeback here to have an answer about tftp with the "Dude" OGRA
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| 06:33 | <chrisjrob> i'm trying to debug x11vnc on the client (ltsp5) and even running manually from the client root x11vnc -display :6 still gives connection refused. The only port that I ever seem to be able to get a response from is 6007 - but why? And, if I do a netstat, 5900 isn't listed - why isn't it using 5900 or perhaps 5906. I feel something is blocking it, but what? Any suggestions gratefully received!
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| 06:33 | Even port 6007 doesn't actually do anything useful, other than show up as established in netstat on the client.
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| 07:36 | <cyberorg> The_Code, hi
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| 07:36 | <The_Code> hi cyberorg
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| 07:36 | <cyberorg> what up?
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| 07:37 | <The_Code> updated blog, created screenshot page
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| 07:37 | <cyberorg> would you like to walk through what all you have done?
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| 07:38 | <The_Code> i started with the creation of the task dialogs
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| 07:39 | created the different once for display, printer, swap, autologin ...
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| 07:39 | added sound and localdevice configuration
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| 07:40 | that is what happened
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| 07:40 | <cyberorg> i had some questions
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| 07:40 | <The_Code> yes
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| 07:41 | <cyberorg> how does one load and save lts.conf created by the GUI?
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| 07:41 | <The_Code> currently only xml supported, writing lts.conf and reading is on schedule for this week
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| 07:41 | and will be done over the menu
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| 07:42 | <cyberorg> what does hitting "Save" do now?
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| 07:42 | <The_Code> it saves to the variables
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| 07:42 | and writes to xml
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| 07:43 | <cyberorg> it doesnt seem to do anything at the moment, i assume it is coming next?
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| 07:44 | <The_Code> it writes the values of the entry fields in the variables, if you change the name of a section and click save the treeview updates
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| 07:45 | <cyberorg> ah yes, but not in xml file or anywhere else on disk
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| 07:45 | <The_Code> not now, but i think it should write to xml when loaded from xml
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| 07:46 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 07:47 | another thing was why are some variables already present when adding new section
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| 07:47 | <The_Code> localdev, sound and sound_daemon
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| 07:48 | they are there because this are checkboxed variables
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| 07:48 | <cyberorg> they shouldnt be shown till user adds them via tasks
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| 07:49 | can the task list have multiple selection?
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| 07:49 | <The_Code> so a task for sound and localdev
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| 07:50 | the values will be overwriten
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| 07:50 | they are added twice to the tasks in section list
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| 07:50 | <cyberorg> we dont want to add sound and local dev in all sections
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| 07:51 | <The_Code> good
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| 07:51 | <cyberorg> current behavior is they are added whether they are enabled/disabled
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| 07:51 | the sections are only there for overriding defaults
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| 07:51 | so only variables expressly specified by user needs to be in there
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| 07:53 | can "add task" open dialog box with multiple checkboxes user can select the tasks to be added to the section?
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| 07:53 | Also [default] needs to be displayed somehow
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| 07:54 | <The_Code> multiple tasks, yes can do
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| 07:54 | what do you mean with [default] displayed
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| 07:56 | <cyberorg> [default] section in lts.conf
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| 07:56 | <The_Code> will be displayed as every section
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| 07:57 | s/as/like
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| 07:57 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 07:57 | <The_Code> i have some trouble with the keyboard task
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| 07:58 | <cyberorg> you saw warren's patch?
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| 07:58 | <The_Code> i used ogra's code to get the layouts ... but this is not really human readable
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| 07:59 | saw it
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| 08:00 | <cyberorg> you mean for automatic suggestion?
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| 08:00 | <The_Code> yes
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| 08:01 | for automatic filling of the combobox, so either we put it hardcoded inside with some sort of mapper
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> you can leave out the automatic suggestion for now, discuss with schaefi or #yast team to find out how they do it
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| 08:02 | <The_Code> fine
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> The_Code, try "locate keyboard | grep ycp" you'll find out how yast does it :)
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| 08:03 | it has each lang mapped to "readable" names
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| 08:04 | see lang2keyboard.ycp, xkblayout2keyboard.ycp, keyboard_raw.ycp files
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| 08:05 | <The_Code> will have a look, thanks
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> btw default sound daemon is "pulse"
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| 08:06 | <The_Code> i will only add localdev and sound when activated and sound_daemon only when different from pulse
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> is there a possibility to see the lts.conf file for example in third tab?
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| 08:06 | <The_Code> "pulse" ok, parameters.txt says esd
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| 08:07 | <cyberorg> The_Code, thats old :)
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| 08:07 | <The_Code> this should be possible
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> btw i've completed the eval, your midterm payment should be on its way :)
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| 08:10 | <The_Code> thanks
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| 08:10 | <cyberorg> kl_eisbar is doing rpm packages, that would be available here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp
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| 08:10 | <The_Code> cool
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| 08:11 | <cyberorg> for autologin there is one more variable that is required, i dont remember what it was, i posted on the ML couple of weeks back
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| 08:11 | <The_Code> LDM_DIRECTX ?
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| 08:12 | will have a look
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> no that is for bypassing ssh for X
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> The_Code, LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
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| 08:17 | <The_Code> yeah, this would be great to have
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| 08:18 | <cyberorg> LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true, LDM_USERNAME= and LDM_PASSWORD= are required for autologin
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| 08:18 | <The_Code> added it to the task
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| 08:20 | <lejo_> The_Code: do you have a preliminary rpm somewhere available already?
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| 08:21 | <The_Code> no
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| 08:23 | <cyberorg> lejo_, http://forgeftp.novell.com/kiwi-ltsp/easy-ltsp.tar.bz2
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| 08:24 | extract it, run mono Easy-LTSP.exe
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| 08:25 | The_Code, any plans about how clients would be added to the profiles?
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| 08:27 | <The_Code> i wanted to have an entry field and a button, above some sort of list, but that looked terrible
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> you have to work hard on making the GUI look good :)
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| 08:27 | <The_Code> i am not sure, another tab for clients ?
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| 08:28 | <cyberorg> yeah, PROFILE > list of TC under it
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| 08:29 | <The_Code> i will give it a try
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| 08:30 | <cyberorg> lejo_, got it?
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| 08:32 | The_Code, that is all from me, anything from your end?
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| 08:33 | lejo_, got anything to add?
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| 08:34 | <lejo_> not now, i'll test it and give my feedback asap
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> ok, so we wind up this weeks meeting :)
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| 08:35 | thanks for participating :) The_Code keep up the great work
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| 08:37 | The_Code, would you do status report and meeting minute for the kiwi-ltsp-users and ltsp-discuss mailing lists?
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| 08:38 | <The_Code> will do
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| 08:38 | <cyberorg> i've uploaded the transcript
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| 08:38 | <The_Code> thanks
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| 08:39 | lejo_, looking forward to your feedback
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| 08:48 | * ogra suspects easy-ltsp wont work on anyhing but suse ... | |
| 08:48 | <ogra> but thats indeed ok ...
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| 08:49 | <The_Code> ogra, why
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| 08:50 | <ogra> well, if you use functions from yast or use files like .ycp which are totally suse centric and not used on any other distro ...
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| 08:50 | <lejo_> well 1 small thing I already immediately see: isn't it possible to use specific IP address input boxes? That also validate if an ip is valid. I'm not familiar with graphical programming
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| 08:50 | (minor thing)
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| 08:50 | <ogra> ltsp-manager did that
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| 08:51 | <The_Code> ogra, i will look at those files to find out how they manage to get the names, that doesn't mean i will use them
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| 08:51 | <ogra> (not that it did anything else, but the callbacks wer einterconnected so the different fields werre adjustted according to your changes)
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| 08:51 | <cyberorg> ogra, that was just for getting ideas
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| 08:51 | <ogra> there are standard locations xorg uses
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| 08:51 | use these :)
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| 08:52 | there is no file with keymaps anwhere usually ... but an xorg dir you can grab ls output from
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| 08:52 | <The_Code> lejo_, good point
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| 08:52 | <ogra> (the path might vary from distro to distro, but thats actualy how it should be done)
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| 08:52 | The_Code, whats so hard about my code ? :)
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| 08:53 | <The_Code> it's not your code
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| 08:53 | <ogra> it only uses standard gtk functions to connect the callbacks
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| 08:53 | <The_Code> the output of the command
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| 08:53 | <ogra> ah
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> ogra, if you have mono installed, you can get the tarball and run the GUI straight away
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| 08:53 | <ogra> i think the code to detect keymaps in python-ltsp might be intresting
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| 08:54 | <The_Code> i totally understand and can read your code, but the output of the keymap .. command will be hard for your mom to understand it :)
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| 08:54 | <ogra> thast actually just parsing the keymap dir from xorg
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| 08:54 | <lejo_> cyberorg: The_Code did you already thought about adding help/tips somewhere in the screens?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> The_Code, my mom shouldnt have to type commands :)
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| 08:54 | <The_Code> the kiwi part has tooltips
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| 08:55 | <ogra> funny that you mention it, i just had 1h telephone support and taucht her printing and how to email on ubuntu :)
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| 08:56 | * ogra is pruod that she only had to learn some clicks ... i wouldnt have managed that on any other distro like that :) | |
| 08:56 | <cyberorg> ogra, mail orga@ubuntu.com < mymessage.txt ;)
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| 08:56 | <ogra> :P
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| 08:56 | evolution goodness :)
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| 08:57 | <The_Code> ogra, the output not the command itself
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| 08:57 | <ogra> and system-config-printer to set the default :)
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| 08:57 | The_Code, oh, it outputs the actua keymap names, right ?
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| 08:57 | * ogra now understands | |
| 08:58 | <The_Code> yes it does
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| 08:58 | <ogra> just map it to a locale :)
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| 08:58 | gdm ships a locale file that has human readable names
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| 08:59 | /etc/gdm/locale.conf
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| 08:59 | grab the first match for a keymap value i.e. de -> Deutsch
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| 09:00 | i thin that file is planned to vaish, but there should be nothing keeping you from just adding it to easy-ltsp
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| 09:00 | *vanish
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| 09:01 | <The_Code> maybe, in suse it is called locale.alias
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| 09:01 | <ogra> no, thats a system file
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| 09:01 | /etc/gdm/locale.conf shuld be in the same place in all distros
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| 09:02 | (at least i would expect that :) )
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| 09:02 | <The_Code> /etc/gdm/locale.alias no locale.conf here
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| 09:02 | <ogra> whats in there ?
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| 09:02 | ah, wait
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| 09:02 | # This is similar to a locale.alias file, but is not one. This file was
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| 09:02 | # autogenerated from the GNU libc locales source, with some editing.
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| 09:03 | i should probably read the comments ... suse might rename the upstream file at package build time (oh evilness :))
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, never :)
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| 09:03 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:04 | <The_Code> ogra, me too same thing in my file
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| 09:05 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:05 | good
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| 09:05 | <lejo_> tsssk! say sorry to suse! ;)
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| 09:05 | <ogra> so put that in your sourcetree then you dont have to worry about distros renaming it
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| 09:06 | <The_Code> right
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| 09:06 | <ogra> (and you likely want to clean it up, you dont need all the duplicated entries)
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| 09:07 | (and gettextize it so people can read the entries in their native lang)
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| 09:07 | <lejo_> hmm what are the disadvantages of using the LDM_DIRECTX option ?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> security mainly
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| 09:07 | <The_Code> ogra, true
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| 09:07 | <ogra> your X traffic is sniffable in a way that you can take screenshots of a tcpdump
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| 09:07 | or keylog
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| 09:08 | <ogra> (dont use online banking with LDM_DIRECTX enabled !!!)
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| 09:08 | <lejo_> heh
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| 09:08 | <ogra> its identical to XDMCP apart from the fach that the password is handled by ssh
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| 09:09 | the encryption gets dropped after that for the X transport only
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| 09:09 | <lejo_> ok, good enough for my users who complain about speed
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| 09:09 | I read their mail (c) (tm) ;-)
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| 09:09 | <ogra> yeah, but one can read the mail of the other that way :)
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| 09:10 | i'm sure you can easily find tools on the web that you could install in ~/bin to manage that
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| 09:10 | <lejo_> no problem, as long as they wear http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/31fb/
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| 09:10 | ;p
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| 09:10 | <ogra> the idea of using ssh for ldm came up when i was at a skolelinux meeting abotu 3.5 years ago ...
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| 09:11 | <cyberorg> i had an enhancement request filed in devzilla for keeping LDM_DIRECTX as default, whole Xsession over ssh is for paranoids
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| 09:11 | <ogra> they had students that actually did exams on ltsp clients
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| 09:11 | <lejo_> cyberorg: i just saw it yes
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| 09:11 | <ogra> and indeed these students had quickly found out how to capture their neighbors solutions from the network traffic with some tools
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| 09:11 | <cyberorg> i had to say we are sticking with whatever upstream is keeping :)
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| 09:11 | <lejo_> ogra: yeah makes sense but in a lot of environments where I'm installing LTSP it's not really an issue
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| 09:12 | most of my users can't even read their own mail properly ;-)
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| 09:12 | <ogra> who knows some might only pretend ;)
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| 09:12 | 80% of attacks come from the internal network
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| 09:13 | only 20 from the outside world :)
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| 09:13 | <lejo_> yeah they pretend they are working but I don't even see their TC active on the server :P
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| 09:13 | busted
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| 09:13 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:13 | <ogra> slack LTD.
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| 09:15 | <lejo_> did people report already issues with flash movies being slow? (non youtube)
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| 10:35 | <delly84> so i got my fat client working and i just installed and enabled ldap. the client resolves an ip address and in the boot process it hangs on "starting system log daemon"
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| 10:35 | any advice?
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| 10:36 | i remember hearing that this had something to do with ldap (obviously if that was the only thing i changed)
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| 10:36 | <ogra> excöude system users from ldap
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| 10:36 | <delly84> server side?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> syslog runs as the syslog user in ubuntu
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| 10:36 | so your client tries to find the user with getent()
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| 10:37 | <delly84> ogra: thanks, i'll look into that
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| 10:37 | <ogra> all uid's below 1000 are usually system users in an ubuntu system
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| 10:37 | <delly84> what about root?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> root always has uid 0 in linux
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| 10:38 | (or unix)
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| 10:38 | <delly84> should i exclude root?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> everything below 1000
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| 10:38 | root is locked anyway by default
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| 10:38 | ubuntu uses sudo
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| 10:39 | <delly84> there is also something called "nogroup" and "nouser" that has uid/gid 65534
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| 10:39 | <ogra> nobody you mean
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| 10:39 | yeah
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| 10:39 | <delly84> yeah, sorry
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| 10:40 | exclude?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> theer shouldnt be anything in ubuntu using it by default ... but you neve know
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| 10:40 | <delly84> hmm, ok
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| 10:42 | ogra: do you know the best way to purge the ldap database besides just removing /var/lib/ldap/* and /var/backups/unknown-...ldapdb ?
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| 10:43 | <delly84> or is that the standard protocol?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> no, i stay away from ladap usually
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| 10:45 | *ldap
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| 10:45 | so i cant tell you much
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| 10:45 | #ubuntu-server might know
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| 10:46 | <delly84> ok, i'll check there, thanks for the help
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| 11:03 | <Godfrey> Weird problem - LTSP just stopped giving my clients a login prompt. It boots up to X, with the 'X' cursor, but then just sits there. Every couple of minutes, syslog indicates that the clients "Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0", which they attempt to put into 4x mode, and then they try to put 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode. Both client machines have VIA Nehemiah 10000 motherboards. What could be happening here, and how do I fix
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| 11:04 | <ogra> sounds like ldm not starting
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| 11:05 | did you fiddle with the ldm themes in the chroot ?
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| 11:05 | <Godfrey> I haven't touched the chroot in a couple of months.
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| 11:05 | Everything was working fine until this morning, after I rebooted the server.
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| 11:06 | (which has been rebooted several times in the past couple of months without any problem)
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| 11:06 | <ogra> well, the server isnt really involved here
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| 11:06 | ldm runs on the client
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| 11:06 | <Godfrey> The server is involved only in the fact that the clients were perfectly able to connect to it until I rebooted it this morning.
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| 11:07 | <ogra> err
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| 11:07 | are you probably running ltsp 4 ?
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| 11:07 | (which is obsolete since some years)
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| 11:07 | <Godfrey> I'm pretty sure it's 5, but let me double-check.
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| 11:08 | 5.1.10-1
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| 11:08 | <ogra> debian ?
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| 11:08 | <Godfrey> Yes.
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| 11:08 | <ogra> hmm
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| 11:08 | <warren> hmm
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| 11:08 | <ogra> did you fiddle with your lts.conf ?
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| 11:08 | <Godfrey> I have touched nothing LTSP-related in a couple of months.
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| 11:08 | <warren> weird build problem
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| 11:08 | <ogra> sounds a bit like you are using XDMCP
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| 11:09 | <warren> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
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| 11:09 | ./configure: line 2929: syntax error near unexpected token `XREXECD,'
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| 11:09 | ./configure: line 2929: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XREXECD, x11)'
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| 11:09 | <ogra> and like gdm deosnt accept the connection
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| 11:09 | <warren> older autoconf version ran autogen.sh
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| 11:09 | <ogra> warren, oh, i havent enabled xrececd yet
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| 11:09 | <warren> it builds fine with newer autoconf
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| 11:10 | <ogra> then just use the newer one ?
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| 11:10 | <warren> older OS has older autoconf
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| 11:10 | <ogra> so just drop xrexecd
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| 11:10 | nothing uses it anyway, we dont even build it yet in ubuntu or debian
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| 11:11 | (which we should for latest upstream though)
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| 11:12 | <Godfrey> ogra: is it normal for the clients to keep finding the video card and setting the mode?
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| 11:12 | <ogra> well, if you see an X cursore the X part should be fine
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> Godfrey: have you been upgrading the packages? what versions are in the chroot?
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| 11:15 | !debver
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| 11:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "debver" is not a valid command.
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 11:15 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 11:15 | <Godfrey> vagrantc: Let me check.
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> Godfrey: 5.1.10-1 just hit lenny yesterday... i did my best to test it, but there could be problems.
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| 11:16 | <Godfrey> vagrantc: I upgraded after I found the problem... so the problem started with whatever version I had installed before that.
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| 11:17 | Latest kernel in the chroot is 2.6.22-3
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| 11:17 | <vagrantc> Godfrey: could you post your lts.conf to the pastebot?
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| 11:17 | !pastebot
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| 11:17 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:17 | <Godfrey> Sure thing.
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> i also had some issues with the latest xserver-xorg-video-vesa ... but that shouldn't be in testing (i hope)
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| 11:19 | <ltsppbot> "Godfrey" pasted "lts.conf as requested by vagrantc" (20 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/23
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| 11:19 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:20 | SOUND=Y and LOCALDEV=Y are moot with SCREEN_04=startx
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| 11:20 | they need ldm
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| 11:20 | (which you disable through SCREEN_04=startx)
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| 11:20 | <Godfrey> OK
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| 11:20 | <ogra> haha
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| 11:20 | <Godfrey> What's the proper way to do it?
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| 11:20 | <ogra> and i see the issue ...
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| 11:20 | we renamed startx to xdmcp
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| 11:21 | <Godfrey> Aha.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> vagrantc, ^^^^
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 11:21 | what ogra said.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> did you retain any backwards compatibility ?
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| 11:21 | <Godfrey> Sorry, how do you mean?
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> yeah, startx should by a symlink to xdmcp
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| 11:21 | * ogra is surprised vagrantc didnt put weeks and week in for getting that :) ) | |
| 11:22 | <vagrantc> no, it was merely as long as it took to add a symlink :P
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| 11:22 | Godfrey: the other issue is that something else is likely running on SCREEN_04 ...
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| 11:22 | Godfrey: and i would like to know what versions are in the chroot
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| 11:23 | <Godfrey> vagrantc: would you tell me where to find that information?
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 11:23 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 11:23 | <ltsppbot> "Godfrey" pasted "versions in the chroot" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/24
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| 11:24 | <ogra> yeah, ltsp-client is outdated
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| 11:25 | should be the same version as ltsp-server
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> yeah...although ifyou're using startx, it shouldn't be a problem.
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| 11:25 | <Godfrey> All right.
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> Godfrey: did you do anything to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/inittab to disable logins on tty4 ?
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| 11:25 | <Godfrey> After I update it, I remove SOUND=Y and LOCALDEV=Y, change startx to xdmcp, and... change that to which screen instead of screen4?
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_07
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| 11:26 | Godfrey: you might also want to look at ...
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| 11:26 | <Godfrey> vagrantc: I haven't touched any of the LTSP configuration in a couple of months. The problem only surfaced this morning after I rebooted the server.
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 11:26 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 11:26 | <Godfrey> Great, thanks.
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> although i would consider switching to ldm, and if you really need the insecure but faster performance, switching to use LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 11:27 | <Godfrey> Okay, thanks for the tip.
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| 11:28 | * ogra curses the i810 driver | |
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, stick with ncurses or something
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| 11:28 | graphics are overrated
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| 11:28 | <ogra> tell that to the classmate people
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| 11:29 | i cant get it to initialize the video at all after resume :/
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> sbalneav: ping
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| 11:32 | <ogra> Gadi, high hopes :)
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:33 | at least his name is on the list
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| 11:33 | ;)
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| 11:48 | <delly84> so i cleaned out my ldap database and re populated it with just one user (uid 1000). the client still hangs at "starting system log daemon". any ideas?
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> ogra: is 8.10.1 cd out?
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| 11:50 | er 8.04.1
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| 11:50 | <ogra> since monday iirc
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:50 | link?
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| 11:51 | <ogra> the same one :P
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| 11:51 | it replaced 8.04
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> ogra: thx
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| 12:09 | <Godfrey> Many thanks, vagrantc and ogra... everything's working again.
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| 12:17 | <delly84> my client still hangs at "starting system log daemon" does anyone have any suggestions?
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| 12:19 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get remove sysklogd
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| 12:20 | who needs logging anyway :P
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| 12:20 | <delly84> :)
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| 12:20 | i'll try that, thx ogra
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| 12:20 | * ogra dances ... | |
| 12:20 | <ogra> found the fix for i810
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| 12:27 | <delly84> ogra: is the client logging information through the server? is that why it is trying to authenticate via ldap?
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| 12:29 | <ogra> no, in your case its trying to start a logging daemon on the client
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| 12:29 | enable remote logging on the server and set up the client to log to it ... then you still have logs but worked around the problem
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| 12:30 | <delly84> how do i do that?
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| 12:35 | <delly84> nvm, i think i found it here:
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| 12:35 | http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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| 12:43 | <Gadi> fix for i810?
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| 12:44 | <ogra> yeah, classmate
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| 12:44 | <Gadi> im not ur classmate
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| 12:44 | :)
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| 12:45 | <ogra> you could be :)
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| 12:46 | <ogra> i'm in the final stages of the cmpc image ... and one of four critical bugs was that the video didnt come back after resume
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> ah
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| 12:46 | hey - ogra - maybe uve seen this...
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| 12:47 | I have a unit where the power button's "instant off feature" only works pre-OS
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| 12:47 | once the OS starts, it doesnt work
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| 12:47 | <ogra> remove acpi ?
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> remove it?
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| 12:48 | from the kernel?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> no from the image
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> acpid?
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| 12:48 | or the acpi module?
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| 12:49 | <ogra> right
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| 12:49 | and you could indeed also try noacpi as bootoption
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> fixed it!
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| 13:18 | disabled ACPI in the BIOS altogether
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| 13:19 | seems the BIOS's ACPI description tables are all screwed up
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| 13:19 | or at least the kernel doesn't get the right info from them
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| 13:26 | <ogra> yeah, acpi is a pain
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: unless i'm mistaken, it looks like you didn't tag ltsp-5.1.10
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| 13:31 | <ogra> ouch, might be
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| 13:31 | i bumped the version in the config
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> luckily, our process of committing a revision that only changes the version number easy to find
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| 14:21 | <delly84> ogra: i edited the file /etc/default/syslogd and added -r to the option for remote logging. then i rebuilt the image, but my client still hangs at "starting system log daemon". is there anything else i need to do to remote instead of local log?
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| 14:22 | * in the chroot
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> SYSLOG=remote in lts.conf, maybe?
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| 14:23 | and just to be sure, you edit /etc/default/syslogd on the server, not the chroot
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| 14:24 | shouldn't need to rebuild the image
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| 14:24 | <ogra> well, SYSLOG in ltsp-client defaults to $SERVER anyway
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| 14:24 | iirc
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> if SYSLOG is unset, it's the same as SYSLOG=remote ... and $SYSLOG_HOST defaults to $SERVER
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| 14:25 | <warren> checking for XREXECD...
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| 14:25 | configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it
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| 14:25 | hmm
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| 14:25 | I'm not sure what I'm missing
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| 14:26 | <ogra> why dont you just comment it out in the higher level makefile
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| 14:26 | its not needed at all
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| 14:26 | <warren> yes, but we have to fix this anyway
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> it's still a proof of concept
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| 14:26 | <ogra> and it builds with new autoconf
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| 14:27 | scott developed it on gutsy, no clue what was the default but that might be the minimal version
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| 14:27 | and i think he just copied the dir into the sourcetree after autoreconf
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| 14:28 | i really wouldnt care, it will change anyway and we can build for older versions then
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| 14:28 | <warren> what version of autoconf is on gutsy?
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| 14:29 | * ogra knwe warren would ask that .... | |
| 14:29 | <stgraber> autoconf | 2.61-4 | gutsy | source, all
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| 14:30 | <ogra> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/autoconf
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| 14:31 | <ogra> yeah 2.61-4
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| 14:31 | <warren> 2.61 here works
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| 14:32 | 2.59 on RHEL5 doesn't work
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| 14:32 | <ogra> right
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| 14:32 | <ogra> which somewhat proves my theory
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| 14:32 | <warren> running autogen.sh with 2.61 then building the tarball on RHEL5 fails witht hat pkgconfig problem
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| 14:32 | I might just be missing a dep
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| 14:32 | <ogra> then it should tell you which
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| 14:57 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 14:58 | <ogra> yo
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| 15:20 | <Nubae> lol
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| 15:21 | hey ogra, how's netbook-remix coming along?
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| 15:21 | <ogra> no lpia image atm :(
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| 15:21 | i have to do the celeron stuff first
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| 15:22 | <Nubae> ah, ok... no problem, regular ubuntu seems to run fine on the atom processor laptops anyway
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| 15:22 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:22 | <Nubae> hey, did u see Hofer released a 400 euro laptop with atom processor?
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| 15:22 | <ogra> for intrepid i'll do a real netbook image for the community
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| 15:22 | <Nubae> I guess they have Hofer in Germany too
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| 15:23 | <ogra> never heard of hofer
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| 15:23 | <Nubae> oh... big Austrian chain...
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| 15:23 | <ogra> aldi just sold a MSI netbook last week here
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| 15:23 | <ogra> (big german chain :) )
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| 15:24 | <ogra> yippiiiie .... my suspend fix works :)
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| 15:24 | * ogra uploads the image | |
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| 15:31 | <Nuba1> http://www.heise.de/mobil/Aldi-verkauft-das-Mini-Notebook-Medion-Akoya-Mini-E1210-fuer-399-Euro--/artikel/110347/0
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| 15:31 | Aldi not Hofer, sorry n:-)
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| 15:32 | best bang for bucki so far I think
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| 15:36 | <ogra> well, the tech data for that aldi thing is pretty good
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| 15:36 | <Nuba1> ah, Aldi in Germany, Hofer in Austria...
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| 15:36 | yeah I know... and same price as an asus
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| 15:36 | <ogra> yeah, that might be
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| 15:36 | <Nuba1> Ich denke ich kauf mir eins...
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| 15:37 | * ogra was surprised finding aldi scattered all over the us | |
| 15:37 | <ogra> Nuba1, muss ich nich ... :)
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| 15:38 | <Nuba1> wow yeah aldi is big...
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| 15:38 | * Nuba1 didn't know they made laptops | |
| 15:38 | <ogra> they dont
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| 15:38 | they sell medion HW occasionally
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| 15:39 | usually only one stack per shop
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| 15:39 | <Nuba1> ah right...
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| 15:39 | <ogra> so they are opening at 8 and its all gone by 10
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| 15:39 | <Nuba1> well, still a lot of these laptops around
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| 15:40 | <ogra> once its on heise you can be sure to see queues at the stores on selling day
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| 15:41 | <Nuba1> well, I need a mini-notebook for Nepal, so gonna get this I think
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| 15:41 | If they're still selling them tomorrow ;-)
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| 15:41 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:42 | <ogra> if they do it like aldi they will be gone
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| 15:42 | <Nubae> and they only sell at Aldi/Hofer?
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| 15:43 | <ogra> no idea if you can get medion anywhere else
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| 15:43 | its only a trade company
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| 15:43 | they rebrand the HW
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| 15:43 | the aldi one is actually a wind river afaik
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| 15:44 | <Nubae> oh
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| 15:44 | <stgraber> ogra: medion is also sold in switzerland by the Coop and Interdiscount
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| 15:45 | <Nubae> Jeez Acer Aspire One has its own version of linux on too
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| 15:47 | <ogra> stgraber, you still have coop ?
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| 15:48 | they died 10 years ago in .de
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| 15:49 | <Nubae> ogra, you're right... wind = medion mini-book
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| 15:49 | <ogra> yep
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| 15:50 | my GF wanted one, but she was to late
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| 15:50 | <Nubae> they say they start selling them in August
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| 15:53 | <stgraber> ogra: yep, it's the 2nd biggest shop in switzerland (or first, depending on who they last bought :))
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| 15:54 | <ogra> Interdiscount sounds a bit like it could come from GDR :)
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| 16:01 | <aidy> i can't get my nfs /home to mount properly on boot
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| 16:02 | what exactly am i supposed to do?
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| 16:11 | <Nubae> aidy: what do u mean?
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| 16:12 | I assume u are talking about low fat client
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> warren: if you make any more commits today, could you also tag revision 742 as ltsp-5.1.10
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| 16:18 | i haven't made the tag as i haven't planned on doing any commits...
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| 16:18 | <warren> oh
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| 16:18 | ok
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| 16:18 | did I screw something up?
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> no, not at all
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| 16:18 | <ogra> sorry, my fuckup
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> yeah, blame ogra
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| 16:19 | warren: i just don't think you can push new tags without a commit, and ogra forgot to tag 5.1.10
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| 16:19 | and i'm not likely to commit anything in the near future
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| 16:19 | <ogra> i dont (have to) use tags anywhere ... so i just bumped the version in the config file but forgot about the tgging
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> this is ltsp-trunk, we're talking about
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| 16:20 | <aidy> Nubae: im talking about a fatty client
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| 16:20 | <aidy> Nubae: made with ltsp
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| 16:23 | <ogra> aidy, is that ubuntu ?
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| 16:31 | <Nubae> yeah he followed the howto
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| 16:32 | aidy: make sure you've got the right details in /etc/export for nfs
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| 16:32 | and check that nfs is being loaded on boot up of thin 'fat' client
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| 16:44 | <ogra> and make sure nfs-common is installed as well as portmap
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| 16:49 | <aidy> well i can just do mount /home
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| 16:49 | and it works
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| 16:49 | but it's not automatic
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| 16:50 | it's in my fstab and everything
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| 16:56 | <Nubae> are u doing it through lts.conf script?
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| 16:56 | Its the only way I got it working
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| 17:01 | <aidy> Nubae: no?
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| 17:01 | <aidy> Nubae: or do you mean configure_fstab=false?
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| 17:26 | <opapo> if I have a powerpc client and I boot off a x86 server
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| 17:27 | once I log in can I run x86 programs or do I have to stay with powerpc?
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| 17:40 | <ogra> the session runs on the server
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| 17:41 | so whatever arch your server is will appear on your screen
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| 17:48 | <opapo> so if a program only works on x86 machines and I have a powerpc client the client could use the program?
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| 17:49 | <ogra> well, the server actually uses your program
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| 17:49 | the client only displays it
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| 17:49 | so yes
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| 17:50 | <opapo> great
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| 17:50 | that's what I wanted to hear
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| 17:50 | I can't get flash to work properly on a powerpc
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| 17:51 | so I want to boot off the server, use the server's browser and the client see flash properly
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| 17:51 | ogra: thanks
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> might still have issues with flash...
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| 18:12 | but that's another story.
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| 18:28 | <Lns> vagrantc, why would he have issues with flash?
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| 18:29 | (in regards to ppc arch anyway)
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> no more than usual, but people come in here having troubles with flash all the time
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| 18:29 | that's all
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| 18:29 | <Lns> ah
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| 18:29 | * Lns nods agreeably | |
| 18:30 | <Lns> I noticed an upgrade to libflashsupport today
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| 18:30 | does anyone have details on that? It couldn't give me the list of changes in the updmgr
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| 19:08 | <aidy> ogra: sorry to be bothering, but i still don't know the good way to have my /home mounted through nfs automatically
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| 19:43 | <Nubae> aidy follow the wiki tutorial
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| 19:43 | its
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| 19:43 | h
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| 19:43 | has all the info u need
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| 19:45 | remember also that in order to mount /home remotely, it must authenticate the user through ldm (ldap is the best and what its been tested with)
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| 19:50 | <aidy> Nubae: okay :)
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| 20:24 | <Nubae> vagrantc: virtualbox prefernces -> language
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| 20:25 | i think that does keyboard settings anyway
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| 21:36 | <jammcq> hello all
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