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Channel log from 6 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:02 | <daya> Hi channel,
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| 01:02 | is there is any way to get the mo file for ldm,
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| 01:14 | <daya> ogra, can I localise ldm, is there is any way to get mo files for it,
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| 01:33 | <johnny> check bugs perhaps daya ?
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| 01:33 | maybe or read the ML postings
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| 01:34 | <daya> johnny, hmm, perhaps you have told me it is not possible to get,
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| 01:34 | mo for ldm
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| 01:35 | <johnny> i never said anything about mo
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| 01:35 | but you should check the bugs and list, it must have been discussed to localize it?
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| 01:36 | <daya> johnny, amm sorry,!
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| 01:36 | johnny, Ok i will check it,
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| 01:42 | johnny, which ML are u talking about,
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| 01:47 | <johnny> one of the ltsp ones
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| 02:34 | <daya> johnny,/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/Debian/bg.png , is not appearing in ltsp clinet,
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| 02:35 | johnny, I want to change the default background of ldm login screen
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| 02:36 | <johnny> don't use my name please, unless you're really trying to get my attention, or ar in discussion with somebody else?
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| 02:36 | i'm about to go to sleep, tis 4am :)
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| 11:43 | <klausade> vagrantc: 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 works fine so far. X came up after installing some extra fonts-packages.
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> klausade: extra fonts packages? could you document that on the wiki?
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| 11:45 | i've had mixed luck with X configuration for that version ... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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| 11:46 | so i'm guessing it's hardware specific
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| 11:47 | <klausade> vagrantc: sure, but before i start working on the wiki, the x-log said "could not open default font 'fixed'" , so I added xfonts-utils xfonts-scalable xfonts-encodings xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi. don't know which did the trick.
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| 11:47 | <vagrantc> my goals for ltsp in debian is to get a new ltspfs upload this week, and then work on backports for ltsp/ldm/ltspfs
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| 11:48 | klausade: was xorg installed? xorg's dependencies should have pulled in most (if not all) of those?
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| 11:50 | hmm... and indirectly, xfonts-utils
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| 11:51 | and xfonts-utils depends on xfonts-encodings
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| 11:52 | and xorg is a dependency of ltsp-client ...
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| 11:52 | <klausade> vagrantc: yes, xorg was installed. the fault might be in how I run ltsp-build-client. I'll work more on it.
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> the only way would be if ltsp-client didn't get installed
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| 11:53 | ltsp-client-core doesn't depend on any of that
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| 11:53 | <klausade> vagrantc: that sound very plausible.
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> klausade: do you mess with --early-packages?
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| 11:55 | <klausade> vagrantc: no, i'm not using or messing with --early-packages, but probably with all the others :-)
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> klausade: well, --early-packages defaults to "--early-packages ltsp-client"
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| 11:56 | unless there's an /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf ... or extra plugins
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| 11:58 | <klausade> vagrantc: I'll take it nice and slowly from the beginning again, now that I know that it does actually work.
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 12:01 | klausade: i'm pretty sure there are breakages in local device support, but everything else should be fine
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| 12:01 | klausade: and those are easy to fix
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| 12:08 | ogra: the URL for: https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/debian-main is broken
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| 12:08 | ogra: should be http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/main/
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| 12:52 | <klausade> vagrantc: why does ltsp-build-client barf at this: --mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" saying "E: No such script: etch"
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| 12:54 | <vagrantc> klausade: because that argument is passed to debootstrap
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| 12:55 | klausade: what i'd recommend doing is: --mirror http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian --extra-mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian contrib non-free"
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| 12:55 | er
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| 12:55 | klausade: what i'd recommend doing is: --mirror http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian --extra-mirror "http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian etch contrib non-free"
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| 12:55 | <klausade> vagrantc: aah. i did notice that using --extra-mirror worked, i just found that strange..
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> or ...
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| 12:56 | klausade: yes, i'm not quite sure how to handle it properly the way you're suggesting...
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| 12:56 | klausade: i've thought about it before
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| 12:56 | klausade: could only grab the first part of the argument when passing to debootstrap, i guess
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| 12:56 | <klausade> vagrantc: not specifying any --mirror makes it use http://http.us.debian.org/debian, which is realy slow sometime.
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> klausade: but then if you did something like: --mirror "http://foo/debian SOMEWEIRDDIST main contrib" you'd get unexpected behavior
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| 12:58 | klausade: yeah. hard-coded to US. i guess that's just maintainer's privledge ... wanted to avoid ftp.debian.org because it's discouraged to use that one, even though it's the only country-independent mirror i know of (though it's actually in the US, i think)
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| 12:59 | i guess we could check for WEIRDDIST != DIST
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| 12:59 | hmmm...
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| 13:00 | <klausade> vagrantc: --mirror and --extra-mirror like you suggested works fine.
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> klausade: and you can have multiple entries in --extra-mirror
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| 13:01 | klausade: comma-separated ... --extra-mirror "http://foo/debian,http://bar/debian sid main contrib,http://baz/debian lenny main"
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| 13:01 | it adds the DIST and COMPONENTS if needed
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 15:23 | hrm.
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| 15:23 | nautilus (and presumably gnome's desktop) show's a mount even if it's mounted with mount -n :(
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| 17:13 | <aboo0ood> hi everybody, i was reading in the Edubnutu handbook about the HW requirements for LTSP thin clients. and there was this statement : "For using the default, secure mode of LTSP, one needs to have a 233 MHz or better CPU.".. I want to ask what the secure mode of LTSP is ..
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| 17:14 | <johnny_> encrypted connection between client and server
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> it uses ssh X11 forwarding
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| 17:14 | <johnny_> via ssh
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| 17:21 | * vagrantc suspects 233MHz is not really going to perform well | |
| 17:25 | <PerfDave> I've done X forwarding over SSH on a 233MHz Pentium II
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> so have i
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| 17:25 | seemed difficult to use
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| 17:25 | too much lag
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| 17:26 | <PerfDave> It was tolerable for me.
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| 17:26 | But, y'know, once I get using LTSP again I'll probably disable the SSH stuff.
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> the LDM_DIRECTX option still uses ssh for login, so at least the passwords don't go in the clear
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| 17:28 | <PerfDave> Does remote audio & devices work with LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> and other features (sound, localdev) still for
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| 17:28 | yes
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| 17:28 | <PerfDave> Good good.
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| 17:29 | I'm not that bothered about sending passwords in the clear on a local network. The only people who could sniff them are the people with the root privs to install backdoored SSH daemons :)
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> it still uses ssh for login, which means your sound variables work decent, and also for the localdev stuff
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| 17:29 | there's no way to plug a laptop into your network?
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| 17:30 | <PerfDave> Not easily, no.
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| 17:30 | Switch is up in the ceiling ducting.
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> and the ethernet cables on all machines are soldered in?
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| 17:30 | <PerfDave> Terminals are strapped under a counter, with just the USB / PS2 / VGA connectors coming up to the keyboard & monitor
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| 17:31 | Not soldered, but you'd need a screwdriver at least.
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> sure sure :)
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| 17:31 | <PerfDave> Anyway, most of what we do just uses passwordless guest accounts
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
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| 17:32 | i'd like to get LDM working such that guest accounts login insecurely, and known users login securely.
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| 17:32 | <johnny_> nice ..
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| 17:32 | i still want timed logins tho
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 17:33 | if i knew C a little better, i'd do it myself
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| 17:33 | might try to stumble through it
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| 17:33 | <PerfDave> Given that it's possible to have a box with multiple video / soundcards, how easy would it be to have such a thing as an LTSP client? We might be able to save ourselves some hardware by having multiple users logging in on one client machine.
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> PerfDave: it shouldn't be much more difficult than with a disked system, if using ltsp5
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| 17:35 | <PerfDave> vagrantc: *nods*. Something I'll look into. Though some software gets confused by multiple users on one machine, like knetworkmanager :/
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> well, knetworkmanager doesn't run on the thin-client
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| 17:35 | (typically)
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| 17:35 | <PerfDave> No, that was just an example ;)
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| 17:35 | <johnny_> PerfDave, at least next networkmanager will work at the system level :)
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| 17:35 | and not session
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> the only things running on the thin-client are basically LDM, ltspfsd, cdpinger, ssh ...
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| 17:36 | not sure if ltspfsd's authentication supports multiple X sessions ...
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| 17:37 | but i think so...
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| 17:52 | * vagrantc tests | |
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> well, localdev works with two LDM logins from the same thin-client
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> they're using the same keyboard and mouse, but it shouldn't be much different if there's an X server for each keyboard/mouse combination
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| 17:56 | shared sound might still be an issue
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| 17:57 | <PerfDave> *nods*
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| 18:00 | <daya> vagrantc, hi
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| 18:01 | vagrantc, I am searching if I can localise the ldm,
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| 18:01 | vagrantc, Acutally it would be better if I can get the login prompt in client in my own language interface,
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> daya: unfortunately, that it broken
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| 18:02 | daya: well, broken at the login screen
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| 18:02 | daya: you can still select a language
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| 18:03 | <daya> vagrantc, ye, I can do select the language, can't I put these settings in my own language, (such as change language, reboot etc)
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| 18:05 | vagrantc, again I have one issue, I can chage the logo , but not the default backgroud color in clinet logon prompt,
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> daya: what is the default background color?
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| 18:10 | <daya> vagrantc, I mean in the login prompt of the client machine,
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> daya: unfortunately, the internationalization/localization support for LDM is broken. patches welcome.
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| 18:10 | <daya> vagrantc, the background image
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> daya: what is the default background color?
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| 18:10 | what color?
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| 18:10 | <daya> vagrantc, no,no can't I put my own image, in the background
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> daya: is the background showing up as white, no matter what you do? if so, it may be a bug in the backport.
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| 18:12 | daya: patches welcome to fix that too.
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| 18:12 | <daya> vagrantc, :(, yes the background is white,
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| 18:13 | vagrantc, edubuntu has its own in the background
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> yes, and on debian sid, it is possible.
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| 18:14 | for the etch backport, for some reason i don't understand, there seems to be a bug that causes the background image to get hidden.
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| 18:15 | <daya> vagrantc, yes it is shown for some instant
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> daya: added a note to the wiki page.
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| 18:21 | <daya> vagrantc, ok ,isn't it possible i use ldm from that of ubuntu in etch , to solve this issue of backgrund image
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> daya: it's a long standing request: http://bugs.debian.org/432708
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| 18:22 | daya: i don't think it will help, but i can't stop you from trying
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| 18:22 | daya: the same exact LDM package works fine on lenny
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| 18:22 | daya: so it's a probablem from something other than LDM itself
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| 18:22 | <daya> vagrantc, oh
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| 19:49 | <ari_stress> morning everyone :)
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| 22:03 | <aboo0ood> hj everybody, i wonder if anyone has a good figure that depicts the topology of LTSP
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| 22:04 | ??
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> aboo0ood: try http://ltsp.org ?
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| 22:04 | <aboo0ood> vagrantc, i got some figures
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> there's a picture on the right, if that's what you're looking for
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| 22:05 | <aboo0ood> i am trying to find a good one to put in a report
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| 22:05 | <vagrantc> aboo0ood: you want numbers?
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| 22:05 | <aboo0ood> vagrantc, wut numbers ?
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| 22:06 | <vagrantc> aboo0ood: i don't really understand what you're looking for "figures" ?
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| 22:07 | <aboo0ood> i am writing a report about LTSP and i need some respectable figure to show the topology of LTSP
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| 22:10 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by "figure" ?
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| 22:44 | <ari_stress> aboo0ood: the edubuntu ltsp docs has some nice figures
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