IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 30 May 2017 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:26 | <DavideTN> Hi, can I ask you a question abount LTSP?
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| 06:27 | I've a LTSP server (Ubuntu-Mate 16.04.2 64b) with 25 fatclient. I need to disable many startup application via terminal. Do you know how?
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| 06:27 | <alkisg> Of course
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| 06:28 | Example?
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| 06:28 | Which startup application do you want to disable?
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| 06:28 | <DavideTN> for example tilda or screensaver
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| 06:28 | on fatclient
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> How would you disable them if you had an ubuntu-mate computer that didn't have ltsp at all?
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| 06:30 | <DavideTN> removing startup entries in /etc/xdg/autostart and in /home/user/.config/autostart
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> Cool, that's where ltsp can help you with RM_SESSION_SERVICES
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| 06:30 | <DavideTN> but in fatclient it doesn't work
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| 06:30 | <alkisg> So, by putting RM_SESSION_SERVICES="tidla", ltsp would remove /etc/xdg/autostart/tidla.desktop
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| 06:31 | Or you could have RCFILE_01="rm -f /etc/xdg/autostart/tidla.desktop" instead, to specify that you want to delete that file on boot
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| 06:31 | Unfortunately tidla doesn't run from xdg
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| 06:31 | The mate devs decided to put it in /usr/share/mate/autostart/tilda.desktop :)
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| 06:32 | So, specifically about tidla, it's not an ltsp question but a "why ubuntu-mate put it there?!!" question
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| 06:32 | ...which should be asked in #ubuntu-mate instead
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| 06:32 | <DavideTN> Can I put RM_SESSION_SERVICES option in lts.conf?
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| 06:32 | <alkisg> So specifically for tilda, and ltsp, you can put:
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| 06:32 | RCFILE_RM_TILDA="rm -f /usr/share/mate/autostart/tilda.desktop"
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| 06:32 | This will delete that file on boot, so it won't autostart
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| 06:33 | RM_SESSION_SERVICES runs fine for things in /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 06:33 | Tilda isn't there
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| 06:33 | <DavideTN> ok, I try
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| 06:34 | <DavideTN> Thanks
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| 06:34 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:08 | <DavideTN> It works! And I added RM_SESSION_SERVICES="mate-maximus orca onboard update-notifier blueman-applet mate-power-manager"
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| 07:12 | now I'm trying to prevent user from changing any desktop settings, but I think it's very difficult
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> DavideTN: in general i found that it's best to let users play as much as they want, and to reset settings either on login, or when the local admin wants to
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| 07:15 | E.g. via epoptes > execute command
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| 07:15 | !epoptes
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| 07:15 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 07:15 | <alkisg> So, we don't lock any parts of the desktop at all anymore
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| 07:26 | <DavideTN> Yes, I think is better
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| 07:27 | First I've created a script that deletes any user's file or folder
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| 07:29 | but I didn't find a way to remove users' customizations on menu, bar, icons, background...
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| 07:30 | Now I'm thinking a script to remove and recreate all users
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| 07:32 | something like this: "deluser user1 --remove-home -q && useradd user1 -m -U -G lpadmin, cdrom, plugdev, scanner && echo 'user1:password' | chpassword"
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| 07:33 | Is a good way for you?
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| 07:35 | Of cource I use epoptes for other purposes (start/stop fatclient, block sessione, etc.)
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> DavideTN: to delete a user's settings, just delete his ~/.* files, there's no need to delete and create the user
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| 07:41 | And there's also gsettings reset-recursively for gnome/mate settings
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| 07:45 | <DavideTN> I've tried to delete his ~/.* files but the session is instable
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| 07:46 | How can I reset mate gsettings for all users?
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| 07:48 | maybe it's better to find a way to customize gsettings' values with a script
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| 07:56 | <DavideTN> reversed question: is there a way to set with a script more customizations to users' sessions (background, theme, menu bar, etc.)?ns
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| 08:02 | to have a stable and friendly session to users, I've manually customized desktop and other settings (background, icons, network share, application and menu bar, etc.)
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| 08:05 | Damned users! ;)
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| 08:06 | first thing they do is a change on desktop, mouse cursor, background... everyday
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> DavideTN: what's wrong with users having their favorite football team as the background? :)
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| 08:23 | Maybe you need one account per user, and you're using one account per pc?
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| 08:28 | <DavideTN> I have one account per pc, with autologon
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> Maybe that's your main problem then :)
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| 08:30 | <DavideTN> I've fatclient
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> There are 3 basic models for user to pc mapping, we document them there; use google translate if you want: s.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/sch-scripts/Χρήστες/Δημιουργία_χρηστών
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| 08:30 | Sorry, http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/sch-scripts/Χρήστες/Δημιουργία_χρηστών
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| 08:30 | You're using the first model, one account for one pc
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| 08:30 | This has the problems that you saw
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| 08:31 | There are 2 more models, one account per pc per class, and one account per user
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| 08:31 | We mostly use those 2 last models, and we don't need to lock down anything with those
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| 08:31 | E.g. imagine a left-handed user having to switch the mouse settings all the time
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| 08:31 | With the first model, it's awful
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| 08:32 | With the other 2 models, he only needs to do it the first time, not every time
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| 08:36 | <DavideTN> ok, I try the other 2 models
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| 08:42 | however I don't need to have more than one account per pc
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| 08:43 | I'm using nfs for network sharing, without password
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| 08:44 | to simplify users access
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| 08:45 | Maybe a script with deluser and a second with useradd + chpasswd is a good way for me
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| 08:45 | it works and quickly
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| 08:52 | if it's very difficult to find a way to prevent users' customization to desktop session, it's not simple - via script - to maintain good settings fo all users (a desktop without background, few icons, simplified menus, etc.)
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| 09:16 | <Hyperbyte> DavideTN, you don't lock down users' desktops. It gives them a bad a user experience.
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| 09:17 | If you lock down my desktop so I can't place handy shortcuts where I like them, it's a bad experience and I'm going to complain about it, which makes YOU look bad.
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> DavideTN: you don't need NFS for network sharing, ltsp uses sshfs to access the user files
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| 09:18 | Hey Hypey :)
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| 09:18 | <Hyperbyte> And this goes much further than that. I myself am visually impaired. I prefer my texts a little bigger than other users. If I have to struggle through menus with small letters everytime I sit down behind one of your computers, adjusting the same old settings, I'll be throwing one out the window and taking my laptop.
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| 09:18 | So that's for the practical problems.
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| 09:19 | As far as the technical problems, having a script to lockdown desktop settings is bad practice. That's what gconf and dconf are for.
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| 09:19 | Hey Alkis. :-) How's it going?
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> Not bad; we'll be internationalizing sch-scripts, so that's good news for ltsp users :)
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| 09:20 | <DavideTN> Hi, I use NFS not only for ltsp fatclient
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| 09:20 | <alkisg> DavideTN: why don't you put NFS on the ltsp server then
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| 09:20 | And let ltsp access its files normally
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| 09:21 | <DavideTN> NFS server is LTSP server
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| 09:21 | <alkisg> Then use nfs for the "other" things
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| 09:21 | And let ltsp work normally with sshfs
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| 09:21 | That way you don't need to manage permissions for ltsp users
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| 09:22 | <DavideTN> ok, I'll try it after the end of the school
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| 09:23 | for gconf/dconf I have many doubts
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| 09:24 | Once I've tried this solution https://superuser.com/questions/697848/how-to-disable-wallpaper-changes-on-linux-mint-12
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| 09:25 | but any ltsp sessions didn't start
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| 09:26 | <alkisg> It's not hard to make mandatory gsettings
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| 09:26 | But it's outside the scope of LTSP
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| 09:26 | You can ask in #ubuntu-mate or in #ubuntu if you like though
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| 09:28 | <DavideTN> ok, I ask there
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| 09:36 | <DavideTN> Thank you very much
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| 09:36 | bye
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Bye
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