IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:07 | <mikky> hi, ltsp-build-client "ends abnormally" even thouh there were no errors mentioned, not even warnings
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| 00:07 | using latest ubuntu's ltsp-server package
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| 00:08 | <abeehc> http://ltsp.pastebin.com the output maybe
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| 00:10 | <mikky> su - workaround does not work
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| 00:10 | it fails just after "I: Extracting adduser..."
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| 00:10 | <mikky> there is no other useful output
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| 00:10 | not even with --debug
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| 00:13 | <abeehc> i'm not sure what su workaround you are talkin about
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| 00:13 | <mikky> "error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally." just after "I: Extracting..."
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| 00:13 | and thats it
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| 00:13 | <abeehc> you are running the command as root?
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| 00:13 | <mikky> ofcourse
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| 00:14 | <abeehc> that sucks
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| 00:14 | your host is all the way up-to-date i guess?
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| 00:14 | <rudie> hello again alkisg
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| 00:14 | <mikky> "su -" workaround is mentioned in some bugreport I googled. It's actually the only answer I found in fisrt two google pages on that particular error message
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| 00:14 | fresh install
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| 00:15 | <abeehc> could you linke me to the su url?
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| 00:15 | we are talking 10.04.1 eh?
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| 00:17 | <mikky> http://tinyurl.com/2unywqj
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| 00:17 | lucid, yes
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| 00:17 | it might not be ltsp's problem, but I have no idea where to look since there are no error messages
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| 00:18 | I guess something gets wrong when a package is to be extracted. but I did not find that particular code ltsp is using
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| 00:20 | <abeehc> hm I didn't run into that recently
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| 00:20 | <mikky> what method does ltsp use to get and extract packages?
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| 00:20 | <abeehc> and i did a build-client on lucid last week
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| 00:21 | i think it uses apt i dunno
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| 00:21 | I would try and activate the root account on your server
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| 00:21 | and run the script that way
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| 00:21 | <mikky> I run it as root logged in directly from getty
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| 00:21 | if that's what you have in mind
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| 00:22 | otherwise I don't follow :)
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| 00:22 | <abeehc> more or less yeah i just wondered if you were getting root with sudo -s
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| 00:22 | <mikky> I tried that as well, sudo, su, direct login..
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| 00:23 | <abeehc> i'm just lookin around my lucid system sec
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| 00:24 | <abeehc> i'm not the most experienced person in here, but i suspect you've missed prime time as far as the pros go
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| 00:25 | /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client has some stuff
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| 00:25 | i think it uses your server's sources.list maybe
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| 00:25 | <mikky> been there but you just gave me an idea :) sec
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| 00:26 | <abeehc> cool gl
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| 00:27 | <abeehc> the end result is that it never makes /opt/ltsp/i386, correct?
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| 00:28 | <mikky> well, it's there, but almost empty
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| 00:28 | just debootstrap, etc and var
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| 00:28 | <abeehc> hmm
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| 00:28 | <mikky> a pre-install enviroment I guess
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| 00:28 | as in package manager configuration
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| 00:29 | all packages get downloaded to chroot but none gets extracted as the extraction fails for some reason
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| 00:29 | <abeehc> yeah maybe apt is messing up; alkisg is one of the pros i think
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| 00:29 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 00:29 | <mikky> mornin'
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| 00:29 | <abeehc> so maybe restate your problem a bit he's smarter than me
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| 00:30 | * alkisg can look at the irc logs in a few minutes... | |
| 00:30 | <abeehc> ty
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| 00:31 | <mikky> in a nutshell - ltsp-build-client fails with "error: LTSP [something] ended abnormally" just after "I: Extracting adduser..."
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| 00:31 | <abeehc> i guess you have to clear /opt/ltsp/arch before you try ltsp-build-client each time eh?
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| 00:31 | <mikky> it's the first line sayin Extracting, which probably means that there is a problem with package extraction
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| 00:32 | <abeehc> it has worked for me a number of times in that environment so it's lame but i wonder about the basics
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| 00:32 | running out of hd space? :|||\\\
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| 00:32 | <mikky> nope, 9gigs
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| 00:32 | <mikky> I purge /opt/ltsp prior each try
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| 00:33 | sorry - 8.3gigs :)
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| 00:34 | <abeehc> maybe fiddle around in that dir, like chroot your self in there and see if apt complains with something intelligible
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| 00:34 | <mikky> that's what I'm trying right now :)
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| 00:37 | <alkisg> mikky: what server/chroot arch?
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| 00:37 | <mikky> i386/i386
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| 00:37 | <alkisg> Can you try this?
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| 00:37 | sudo -i
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| 00:37 | mkdir /tmp/lucid
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| 00:37 | cd /tmp
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| 00:37 | debootstrap lucid /tmp/lucid
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| 00:38 | <mikky> wait a sec, I just might got it
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| 00:39 | ofcourse, stupid me
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| 00:39 | <mikky> there was another problem prior to this
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| 00:39 | <alkisg> What was it?
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| 00:39 | <mikky> I installed the server from within running debian system
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| 00:40 | via debootstrap
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| 00:40 | and there was some weird bug with tar
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| 00:40 | complaining about descriptors or something, don't remember exactly now
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| 00:40 | <alkisg> Sounds messy :)
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| 00:40 | <mikky> it actually was a confirmed bug :)
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| 00:41 | there was a workaround, a simple wrapper for tar, adding the --touch option
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> Ah, I think I read about that
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| 00:42 | <mikky> but for some reason, ltsp's debootstrap (which imho should be the same) did not like the wrapper
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| 00:42 | <alkisg> Didn't that bug get solved some weeks ago?
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| 00:43 | <mikky> if it was, the fix wasn't included in lucid
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| 00:43 | s/wasnt/isnt
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| 00:45 | <alkisg> I saw this one, which is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tar/+bug/539814
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| 00:46 | <mikky> I'm not sure if it was an ubuntu bug.. iirc the running debian's tar was used
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| 00:47 | and that was some unupdated etchy
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| 00:47 | anyway, thx for tips - lead me the right way :)
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> Any kernel < 2.6.22 would fail, what I posted above was an upstream bug
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| 00:48 | <mikky> check, 2.6.18
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| 00:48 | <alkisg> I'm just worried if your server is ok or somehow broken :)
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| 00:49 | <mikky> server should be fine
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| 00:49 | it's a testing machine anyway
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| 00:49 | <alkisg> (because of the initial debian => lucid bootstrap)
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| 00:50 | <mikky> I don't think that should cause any troubles
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| 00:50 | everything was installed in chroot and all files came from latest packages
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| 00:50 | I even installed ubuntu's latest debootstrap
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| 00:52 | it's quite improbable someone else would run into the same problem :)
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| 00:53 | but anyway, I may fill in a feature request for --debug option: adding bootstrap log
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:59 | <Hyperbyte> Morning. :)
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| 08:59 | <muppis> Evening.
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| 09:00 | <Hyperbyte> Well, yeah... if you're going to be picky... afternoon here. :-)
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| 09:01 | <muppis> Ok, it's afternoon here also.
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| 09:01 | <Hyperbyte> It should be afternoon in Finland as well actually. =P
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| 09:01 | Yeah... :D
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| 09:02 | What temperature is it over there (day/night) ?
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| 09:02 | <muppis> :D
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| 09:03 | 0... +10 C for now, but forecast shows dropping below 0 at weekend.
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| 09:04 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, that's not too bad
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| 09:04 | It's ~ 15 C here now, ~ 5 C during the night
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> !greeting
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "greeting" is not a valid command.
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> !status
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| 09:06 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Hmm, where's ltspbot?
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| 09:08 | ltspbot: status
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| 09:08 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 09:09 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: status
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| 09:09 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 09:10 | <Hyperbyte> Wasn't it here already just now? :P
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> wierd, it says it's connected, but it's not actually responding
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| 09:10 | <Hyperbyte> Ohh
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| 09:10 | Apart from in the public chat, you mean? :)
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> anyone here happen to have a script to change the system-wide settings of openoffice to save in MSOffice format?
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> ltspbot: status
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| 09:53 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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| 09:53 | <sbalneav> !greeting
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| 09:53 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "greeting" is not a valid command.
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> !seen ogra
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| 10:18 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ogra> would make a good wishlist bug though :)
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| 10:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: got a favor to ask of you
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| 10:22 | I am having problems getting our disklessworkstations.com term 1520 to work with dual monitors. It's an atom-based thin client, and when I boot with two monitors plugged in, the ldm comes up stretched across both monitors
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| 10:22 | however, when I attempt to log in, the connections appears to reset
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| 10:22 | here's the logs:
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| 10:22 | dmesg: http://pastebin.com/Njg7cBCK
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| 10:23 | ldm.log: http://pastebin.com/bvpRKqk5
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| 10:23 | messages: http://pastebin.com/jshDiYLB
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| 10:23 | syslog: http://pastebin.com/TQpQ78Y6
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| 10:24 | I am seeing in the messages log, that the client appears to the NBD connection when I attempt to log in.
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| 10:24 | however, that may be because the client disconnects/reconnects and gets back to the ldm screen
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| 10:44 | <glj> Is it possible to dual boot WinXP and Ubuntu thin client from the hard drive?
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| 10:46 | <Appiah> as in , not pxeboot?
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| 10:47 | <glj> Using etherboot
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| 10:47 | <Appiah> can you put etherboot on disk? if so , then yes
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| 10:49 | <glj> I have some computers that use etherboot on the hard drive but those computers don't have a WinXP partition.
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| 10:49 | <Appiah> install grub? :)
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| 10:50 | maybe windows own parition stuff can handle it
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| 10:52 | <glj> The method I used to get etherboot working on the non-winxp machines actually overwrites the partition table. I can't let that happen on the WinXP machines obviously.
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> glj: http://etherboot.org/wiki/windowsntloader
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| 10:52 | that may help
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| 10:52 | <Appiah> yaay
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| 10:52 | <glj> I'll check that out. Thanks.
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> glj: if you don't mind going through a greek UI (clicking next/next/next), we've forked debian win32 loader so that it uses gpxe for booting over the network
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| 10:55 | So you can just install that on an xp machine with just a few "next/next" clicks
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| 11:01 | <glj> I am not very proficient with this, so I don't understand what alkisg is telling me to do.
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> glj: I'm saying that instead of manually installing grub, we've made a windows setup.exe that installs grub and gpxe for you
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| 11:02 | The downside is that the installer user interface is in greek, so you'll have to "blindly" press the "next" buttons
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| 11:02 | The menu "Boot from network" is in English...
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| 11:03 | ltsp_loader_0.1.5.exe: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2136.0;attach=1941
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| 11:04 | It's an automated method to do the same thing that is described on the http://etherboot.org/wiki/windowsntloader page. Works on 2000/XP/Vista etc
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| 11:05 | <glj> So that will allow the user at boot to select whether to start winxp from the local drive or to start a thin client session from the server?
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> Right
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| 11:05 | And it uses the windows boot loader for that
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| 11:05 | So it doesn't mess up your MBR etc
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| 11:05 | <glj> Sounds good. I'll try it.
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> Screenshot of the installer: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2136.0;attach=1065;image
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| 11:06 | so just keep pressing the right button until it finishes, that's all...
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| 11:07 | <glj> Good thing I've been studying Greek for the last year!
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> :D
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| 11:07 | <glj> Thanks!
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> As soon as gpxe gets into Debian, we'll make a proper package for it, internationalized and all...
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: What's the favour?
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| 11:45 | <glj> alkisg: The LTSP_Installer worked perfectly! That allows me to set up the school computer lab just the way I need it. Thank you very much!
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> glj: you're welcome
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| 11:47 | glj: send an email to the fellow teacher that maintains it, I've asked him to add an english translation but he doesn't think anyone will use it, so that'll help him :)
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| 11:49 | <glj> Where do I get his email address?
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> I think it shows in the installer... have a look when you run it at another client
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| 11:50 | <glj> OK
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| 12:28 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: I tried to register on the new wikisite, but the wiki says Access Denied when I complete the registration process
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| 12:28 | (I know it's not supposed to be done yet, I'm just nagging :p)
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping?
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_:
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| 13:34 | Pong
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| 13:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: oh hello :)
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hmmm, can you try it now?
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: two questions. First, what's the link for the new wiki for LTSP?
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> highvoltage: I'm getting things set up now.
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| 13:35 | _UsUrPeR_: I'm still in the process of setting it up.
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| 13:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh
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| 13:35 | second, above I had asked if you could take a look at some logs.
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| 13:36 | would you like me to PM you what I had asked originally?
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| 13:36 | I am confounded
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Set a line in /etc/hosts:
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| 13:36 | 188.40.72.242 wiki.ltsp.org
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| 13:36 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> We haven't moved over the dns entries yet.
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| 13:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh, ok
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> The old data will be available (hopefully) under the "OldWiki" link on the side.
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| 13:37 | I've got what appears to be some of the data there.
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| 13:37 | I don't, however, have the uploaded files yet.
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| 13:38 | As for the logs, sure, IM me
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| 13:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav, ok, thanks
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| 14:00 | <highvoltage> sbalneav: will do in a bit, running from one meeting to edubuntu weekly meeting now :)
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| 14:04 | * Gadi shakes his fist at squashfs | |
| 14:05 | <sbalneav> Well, the wiki's beginning to take shape.
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> ok, guys. anybody know a way to get mksquashfs to append files to an existing squashfs image such that it does NOT make alternate directories? there is a -no-duplicates, but it obviously does something different than what I want
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> gadi, wherefor art thou gadi
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| 15:18 | <highvoltage> the giggling gadi?
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| 16:41 | <glj> My ltsp thin clients run with much lower screen resolution than the graphics card and monitor are capable of. The file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf has only one line XSERVER=vesa.
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| 16:41 | Where do I start to try to get better resolution than 640x480?
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| 16:42 | <staffencasa> glj, X_MODE_0=1024x768 is the line you add i believe
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| 16:43 | <glj> BTW, if I change the lts.conf file to say XSERVER=auto, the boot process never reaches the Ubuntu logon window.
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| 16:43 | staffencasa: I'll try that.
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| 16:47 | <glj> Unfortunately, that had no effect.
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| 16:54 | The LTSP thin client is a Dell Optiplex GX270 with an Intel 82865G integrated video adapter. Shouldn't an lts.conf with the line XSERVER=auto work?
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| 16:57 | The screen is displaying two signicant comments: "Kernel call returned: Broken pipe Reconnecting" and "Error: Ioctl/1.1a failed: Bad file descriptor"
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| 17:03 | <staffencasa> glj, I'm not sure what that is. you might want to try XSERVER=i810
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| 17:04 | just to make sure that's not the issue. I don't see auto as one of the valid values
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| 17:04 | <Kyle__> glj: YOu may also be able to specify fbdev as the X driver.
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| 17:05 | <glj> Actually, I tried that earlier. It seems like anything other than XSERVER=vesa just stops the boot process dead in its tracks.
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> glj: X_HORZSYNC=30-88 and X_VERTREFRESH=30-88
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| 17:05 | ...but you need to find the correct values for your monitor, the above are for 1024x768@85Hz
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| 17:05 | <Kyle__> glj: Humm. That's weird actually. FBDev is _very_ well supported, and vesa is more or less an older version of the same thing.
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| 17:18 | <glj> After making the additions given above, my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file has four lines in it: line 1: "XSERVER=vesa", line 2: "X_MODE_0=1024x768"
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| 17:19 | <alkisg> What about [Default] on top?
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| 17:19 | Also, prefer XRANDR_MODE_0 to X_MODE_0, because it gives the user the ability to lower the mode
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| 17:19 | <glj> line 3: "HORZSYNC=30-88" line 4: "VERTREFRESH=30-88"
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> And, what are you getting now? signal out of range?
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| 17:20 | <glj> Oh, sorry, first line is [Default]
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> Ah, those are wrong, you forgotten the X_ in front: X_HORZSYNC etc
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| 17:21 | <glj> Oops!
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| 17:21 | <alkisg> What monitor is that? Crt? Lcd?
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| 17:21 | <glj> I had the X_ in the file
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| 17:21 | It's a CRT
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> And, what are you seeing now when the client boots?
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| 17:23 | <glj> The Ubuntu screen shows up, then disappears, then the Ubuntu logon screen appears. Then logging on gives a resolutio of 640x480.
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| 17:23 | <alkisg> Try completely removing X_MODE_0
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| 17:24 | Also put your final lts.conf to pastebin for doublechecking...
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| 17:24 | !pastebot
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| 17:24 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 17:32 | <glj> Sorry! The pastebot doesn't work for me. I must be doing something wrong but I don't know what.
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> Try paste.ubuntu.com
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| 17:33 | Or copy/paste here, it's just 4 lines...
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| 17:34 | <glj> line 1 is [Default]
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| 17:34 | line 2 is XSERVER=vesa
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| 17:35 | line 3 is X_HORZSYNC=30-88
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| 17:35 | line 4 is X_VERTREFRESH=30-88
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> Did you reboot the client with that lts.conf? Are you still getting 640x480?
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| 17:35 | <glj> And the result is 640x480 resolution after rebooting
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> Open a terminal on the client, and run: xrandr
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| 17:36 | What do you get?
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| 17:36 | <glj> minimum, current, and maximum are all 640x480
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> OK, now run: ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 17:37 | An xterm will open. On that xterm, run: getltscfg -a
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| 17:37 | What do you see?
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| 17:39 | <glj> It restates the lts.conf statements and then says export XSERVER, export X_HORZSYNC, and export X_VERTFRESH
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Nice. Next, try: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 17:41 | (you can re-join the #ltsp channel from http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp if you want to easily paste stuff from the client)
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| 17:41 | <glj> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02)
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| 17:42 | Kernel modules: intelfb
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| 17:43 | 00:1d.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24d2] (rev 02)
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| 17:43 | That's all
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> OK. Now from the xterm: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and then paste that to some pastebin, e.g. paste.ubuntu.com
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| 17:45 | Btw, you'd get the best performance (hardware acceleration etc) if you tried to make your card work instead of using vesa. E.g. for 82855 I had to use a newer kernel...
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| 17:47 | <glj> That last command you had me run produced lines than I can read by scrolling through the whole thing.
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| 17:48 | Is there some particular part of it that you want to see?
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> Lines starting with EE, lines that say why specific modes weren't selected etc
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| 17:48 | Can't you pastebin all of that?
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| 17:51 | <glj> The first part won't be in the paste because its too long. I'll paste what I can get at.
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> You can scp the file to your server if it makes it easier for you
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| 17:53 | <glj> Well, I pasted what I could to paste.ubuntu.com under the name glj
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> The link is needed for us to see it
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| 17:54 | <glj> paste.ubuntu.com/525345
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> Ati? (--) MACH64(0): ATI 3D Rage XL or XC graphics controller detected
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| 17:55 | * alkisg is confused... ati or intel? | |
| 17:55 | <glj> intel
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> Is that the Xorg from the xterm, or from gnome-terminal?
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| 17:56 | xterm = client, gnome-terminal=server...
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| 17:57 | <glj> Oops! I think I accidentally got into the wrong window. Let me try that again.
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> Anyway /me needs to leave in a couple of minutes, getting late here, hope someone else will continue with the helping...
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| 17:59 | Also remember to try deleting your whole lts.conf and putting "nomodeset" in pxelinux.cfg/default like I said above
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| 17:59 | <glj> Thanks for your help.
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| 18:00 | Does nomodeset go on its own line?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> Right next to "quiet splash"
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| 18:01 | So, no
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| 18:01 | <glj> to the left or right?
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> It doesn't matter
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> After trying nomodeset, on 2 more reboots, try replacing nomodeset with "i915.modeset=0" or with "i915.modeset=1" - one of those 3 might work - but remember not to use your existing lts.conf with the vesa directive
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| 18:05 | <glj> Hey! The nomodeset gave me a resolution of 1024x768
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> Nice, you probably also have hardware acceleration now
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