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Channel log from 17 December 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:37 | <xdrazen> good morning
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| 11:38 | hi there, cyberorg. the ltsp pnp did not worked with gpxe booting
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| 11:39 | <cyberorg> xdrazen, for low specification client try tinycore
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| 11:42 | <xdrazen> i am over the tinycore now. just one last try with this ltsp with chroot in 12.04
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| 11:42 | **ubuntu. About the tinycore client, i would like to ask, what search or pages a "MUST READ"
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| 11:43 | <cyberorg> for what?
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| 11:49 | <xdrazen> i mean, for the tiny core
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| 11:49 | **thin client tiny core
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> just https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwi-ltsp/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/tinycore-thinclient/
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| 11:53 | edit the setup script to adapt as per your server configuration
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| 11:54 | <xdrazen> thanks a lot. i am over it.
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| 11:55 | anyways, even if it works with any linux distro
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| 11:55 | may i had better or should use the opensuse edu life?
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| 11:56 | <cyberorg> for now just use the ltsp server you have ready for testing
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| 11:57 | commands to restart nfs server would be different than suse so change the script accordingly
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| 11:58 | <xdrazen> one last question. About the network hardware requirements, 10mbit thin clients 100mbit switch and gigabit in the server, could be enough?
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| 12:01 | <cyberorg> depends on your load, you wont know till you try it out
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| 12:03 | <xdrazen> that is true. Well, thanks a lot, will be back when i would install this. CYA
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| 12:09 | <work_alkisg> ltsp-pnp clients are lighter than tinycore clients, with a proper lts.conf
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| 12:09 | (assuming this is tinycorelinux and not something opensuse-specific which I don't know about :))
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| 12:09 | <xdrazen> hi alkisg
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| 12:10 | well, i got a really big issue with the pnp...
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| 12:10 | * work_alkisg has booted clients with 48 MB RAM. Of course they're not usable later on, since firefox needs 100 MB and more | |
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> What issue?
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| 12:10 | <xdrazen> a issue with the boot
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| 12:11 | the gpxe cannot boot anything. I tried again with the core i3, and it booted
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| 12:12 | <xdrazen> (native boot) but, when i tried the same with the gpxe
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| 12:13 | btw, even worked with a VM 70 mb RAM
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| 12:13 | and i was not sure about, when i was installing, eventually i got a promt asking for a yes or no response, i puted yes
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| 12:14 | another issue is that the VM worked, but even the i3 could not login
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| 12:15 | kinda "gnome is not installed"
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| 12:16 | it does not really matters. What matter is that i already can boot with gpxe when i got the edubuntu 14.04, even having a kernel panic, at least i could see the negotiation..
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> if gpxe doesn't work, it's not a problem with the ltsp version
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| 12:18 | Also, you should be using ipxe, not gpxe
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| 12:18 | If the card is onboard, you should configure it in the bios instead
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| 12:18 | finally, there's the possibility to put the kernel+initrd locally in a small disk on the client
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| 12:19 | About the login issue, I'm sure it can be solved in 1 minute, if you still have that installation and haven't installed 5 other OSes since then :)
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| 12:20 | <xdrazen> no, i guess that i should ratter make all those trys in VM. May i can do it? make the server in a VM. I readed that yes, but not sure
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| 12:22 | the cards are not on board, they all are expansion card. Even trying to boot the pcs from network, which is available in the bios, they really do not "hear" anything
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> The bios doesn't know about pci cards
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| 12:23 | It only knows about ethernet cards on the motherboard, which you don't have
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| 12:23 | <xdrazen> that is kinda strange, about the gpxe and ltsp, with this pnp try, i got no any result, but with the edubuntu one, i got at less a negotiation
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| 12:23 | <alkisg> What is the link where you downloaded gpxe?
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| 12:24 | Maybe you have some 7 year old version... :)
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| 12:25 | <xdrazen> i got it from rom-o-matic
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| 12:25 | <xdrazen> i really was looking for you those days... really thanks
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| 12:25 | <alkisg> OK, so you have the wrong gpxe
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| 12:26 | Download from boot.ipxe.org
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| 12:26 | !ipxe
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| 12:26 | <ltsp`> ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.
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| 12:30 | <xdrazen> well, i would like to ask again... is possible install the server in a VM right?
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> It appears that you need to have the dhcp server outside the vm
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| 12:34 | You can ask in #vbox if you want details
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| 12:35 | <xdrazen> thanks. well, i will try to use the ipxe for boot now
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| 12:35 | but, i can remember that i have donwloaded it, but i only got a prompt when booting with that
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> which network card is that?
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| 12:40 | In about 10.000 clients here, I've only seen an issue with a variant of "compex" cards
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| 12:40 | <xdrazen> i am not on the place where tha p pro are
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| 12:40 | the port is kinda strange.
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| 12:42 | alkisg, about the chroot image, is possible make a "more little" image?
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| 12:42 | <alkisg> I've booted clients with 48 mb ram from 10 Gb image
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| 12:42 | Why do you want to make a "little" image?
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| 12:44 | <xdrazen> i really do not understand the algorithm
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| 12:44 | as far as the documentation that i remember says something kinda
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| 12:44 | the server has the dhcp
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Can you boot a client with 48 mb ram from a hard disk with 100 gb?
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| 12:44 | It's the same when booting from the network
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| 12:45 | The size of the disk doesn't matter, it only matters how many things the client loads at boot
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| 12:45 | And in ltsp you control that with RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES
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| 12:45 | <xdrazen> sorry then, i mean i got missunderstand
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| 12:45 | kinda it said
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| 12:45 | that when boot via TFTP loads the image
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| 12:46 | and it is copied to ram
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| 12:46 | kinda those 96-128 ram pcs and try to fit 512mb... i got confused with that
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> The image is served with NBD (network block device) on a "sector - by - sector" basis, only the parts that are needed.
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| 12:47 | It's the same as if booted from local disk; you don't load 100 gb disk to rm
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| 12:47 | ram
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| 12:51 | <xdrazen> **btw i tried to boot the VM client, the minumum virtual ram was 70 mb, with less ram i got a error like when i tried to boot the s3 virge in 14.04
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| 13:03 | alkisg, about the "boot with minimum ram"... what is really the tasks that the clients must run
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| 13:04 | <xdrazen> as far as i know, it said that must run X sound daemon and anything else more
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| 13:04 | kinda 5"services"
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> xdrazen: there is one thing you are missing there
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| 13:10 | You can boot a client with e.g. 48 mb ram
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| 13:10 | Then you login to the thin client, and the session starts on the server
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| 13:10 | Then you run firefox on the server and visit a web page
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| 13:11 | Firefox uses xorg pixmaps to store graphics *locally on the client ram*
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> And it needs e.g. 100-500 mb
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| 13:11 | So it's impossible to use firefox on thin clients with little ram, with any distribution
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| 13:11 | It's the way xorg works
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| 13:12 | You'll be able to surf in some pages, and it will use swap and it will be extremely slow (like, hanged for minutes) in other pages
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| 13:12 | So, for surfing, the clients need at least 128-160 mb ram
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| 13:12 | Libreoffice also uses local xorg pixmaps
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| 13:13 | Other applications like calculator, gedit, tuxpaint etc don't use them much
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| 13:13 | So, you can use thin clients with little ram for many applications, but not with firefox and libreoffice, you need more ram for them
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| 13:13 | * alkisg waves, later... | |
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| 13:14 | <work_alkisg> (btw there is a way for firefox, libreoffice etc not to use local xorg pixmaps, but they are very slow then)
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| 22:35 | <huafu> `morning!
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