IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:15 | <madcat> someone here helped me a long time ago very generous friend i forgot his name
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| 08:19 | goodnyt everyone
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| 08:37 | <Hyperbyte> eh
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| 18:36 | <html_inprogress> hey
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| 18:47 | would this sever be a good thing for ltsp?
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| 18:48 | http://www.pcliquidations.com/p6607-chenbro-micom-rm21706-2
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| 18:50 | <vagrantc> you'd probably want more ram, depending on how many users... and of course you'd want disks...
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| 18:50 | the processors are a little on the slow side
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| 18:51 | html_inprogress: how many users, what sort of applications?
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| 18:51 | <html_inprogress> im a noob at servers so can you tell me
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| 18:51 | what can i do at best with this?
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| 18:52 | web sever ? hosting games? mm
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| 18:52 | ftp
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| 18:53 | http?
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| 18:58 | hello?
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| 19:27 | vagrantc, hello?
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| 19:49 | <vagrantc> heh. sorry.
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| 19:49 | stepped out for a bit
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| 19:51 | html_inprogress: i run some multi-user setups on comprable hardware with more ram, though with lightweight desktops such as lxde
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| 19:52 | <html_inprogress> ok, well im new to this server stuff , and this ltsp, but im willing to learn,,
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| 19:52 | so can you give me ,so noobie help?
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| 19:53 | <vagrantc> what distro and version?
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| 20:02 | <html_inprogress> sorry multi -tasking
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| 20:02 | * vagrantc too | |
| 20:03 | <html_inprogress> ubuntu 10.04
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| 20:03 | <vagrantc> gnome is a little on the heavy side ... how many users do you intend to server with LTSP?
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| 20:03 | gnome is what ubuntu uses by default
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| 20:10 | <html_inprogress> .
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| 20:11 | well whats that overall rating of the sever?
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| 20:11 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 20:12 | <html_inprogress> well i didnt buy it yet,cuz i need to know how much of a workload i can put on it , on a scale form 0-100
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| 20:13 | 100 is max
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| 20:13 | <vagrantc> meaningless scale
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| 20:14 | in general, need to know several things ... how many concurrant users, and what software they plan to run
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| 20:14 | <html_inprogress> 100 less then >
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| 20:19 | <html_inprogress> would fat cleint help?
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| 20:19 | <vagrantc> fat clients would offload most of the work to the clients, yes.
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| 20:20 | but then you need clients with enough ram.
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| 20:20 | and processor
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| 20:20 | in the end, there's nothing like actually testing to see what your needs are
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| 20:20 | <html_inprogress> so that what i need to offset the work load? u mean?
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> you haven't even told me if you're planning to support 1,000 users or 2
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| 20:21 | <html_inprogress> i like to be flexable, and kinda beffy
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| 20:21 | <vagrantc> or what application(s) they will run
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| 20:22 | <html_inprogress> office/school type, apps
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| 20:23 | open office
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| 20:23 | tons of web/firefox
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| 20:24 | <vagrantc> the server you mentioned might handle a few users with that sort of setup ... maybe 5 at most.
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| 20:25 | <html_inprogress> 5 users ?
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| 20:26 | <vagrantc> it's only got two 2.4 GHz CPUs and 2GB of ram ...
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| 20:26 | that's not really any better than your average single-user desktop these days
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| 20:27 | <html_inprogress> well im thinking of putting 80gb of ram
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| 20:27 | <vagrantc> with fatclients, you could get a lot more out of it
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| 20:27 | you'll still need faster CPUs
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| 20:27 | <html_inprogress> if can fit it in
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| 20:32 | so what faster?
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| 20:32 | then what i got?
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> html_inprogress: i think you're just going to have to experiment and see what works.
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| 20:35 | <html_inprogress> fat cleint, is what im going for
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| 20:35 | <vagrantc> fat clients keep the server requirements minimal
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| 20:35 | but you'll want at least 1GB of ram in each fatclient
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| 20:36 | <html_inprogress> so if i full upgrade , whats my user count at ?
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by upgrade?
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| 20:36 | <html_inprogress> like the hardware
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| 20:37 | if it was fully upgraded whats my max user count ?
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> bah.
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| 20:37 | fully upgraded doesn't mean anything
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| 20:37 | <html_inprogress> i hope its better then 5
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| 20:37 | really?
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| 20:37 | <vagrantc> html_inprogress: you're just going to have to try and see.
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| 20:38 | <html_inprogress> i dont have the money, to do so, im at a crossroads
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> i *estimated* 5 users with a thin client model, given the fairly low-powered server you mentioned earlier
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| 20:38 | but you say you can do fatclients ...
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| 20:40 | <html_inprogress> yes.
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| 20:41 | <vagrantc> how many users would you like to be able to serve?
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| 20:41 | that should be easier to answer than me trying to pull magic numbers out of thin air
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| 20:42 | <html_inprogress> 3 class rooms, 100max but a steady flow of 16,
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| 20:42 | <vagrantc> 100max what? users?
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| 20:42 | <html_inprogress> to high?
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| 20:42 | i mean too much?
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| 20:43 | sorry im really new to this
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> so 100 people using fatclients at the same time?
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| 20:44 | <html_inprogress> well if i can ,
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> i'm just trying to confirm i understand what your goal is
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| 20:46 | <html_inprogress> yes 100 ppl is my small goal , 700 ppl is my middle goal 1200 is my BiGG gooal,,, , with fat clients
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| 20:46 | i heard of mulit-severs , so can i do this?
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> even with fat clients, you'll need much better hardware ... i don't know how much nicer- i don't do anything that big.
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| 20:47 | or more servers
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| 20:48 | your limitation will probably be network and disk bandwidth is my guess ...
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| 20:48 | <html_inprogress> sorry if im im being on your nerves
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| 20:48 | :( thanks so far
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| 20:49 | i have a gb network
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| 20:50 | ok lets go small then ,
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> i'd start with one classroom, see how that performs
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| 20:54 | in extremadura, spain, they have/had a few thousand servers, one per classroom, serving around 20-30 at a time doing thin clients ... a little more powerful servers than what you mentioned
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| 21:00 | <midasxl42> Hello, i'm using LTSP in edubuntu 10.4 and when i start up the thin station it connects but i get no login screen. all i get it a white screen and a mouse pointer.I get a ltsp 20 with the clients ip address but nothing else.. can anyone help me with this.. Thanks
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| 21:00 | <html_inprogress> really? whats theyre hardware on the server, ? do got the link?
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| 21:01 | im the noob here...
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| 21:01 | sorry
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| 22:43 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks for the ipxe/grub2 patch, that's not actually committed and we're waiting for feedback from waldi, right?
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yup
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| 22:45 | <alkisg> ty :)
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> alkisg: seemed like the simplest way to do it ... just integrate it into the existing package, and only have it add menu entries on the appropriate architectures
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| 22:45 | <muppis> :D
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| 22:46 | Good morning everyone. :)
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| 22:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the downside is that it adds "boot from network" entries even if the sysadmin there only wants ipxe.iso
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| 22:46 | Hi muppis
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| 22:46 | vagrantc: e.g. on an LTSP server, the sysadmin might want ipxe.iso but not "boot from network" for his server
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| 22:47 | But np, personally I don't mind :D
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure, but they can disable the snippet
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| 22:47 | <alkisg> Indeed
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> and it won't likely be the default menu entry
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| 22:48 | <alkisg> True, if we put a 30_ in front it'll be after memtest
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| 22:48 | (or 4x to be the last one)
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i seem to recall reading 20_ being reserved for this sort of use-case
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| 22:51 | <alkisg> Ah, k, I didn't do my homework for that
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| 22:51 | <vagrantc> see /etc/grub.d/README
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| 22:52 | although it doesn't specify anything above 20
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| 22:53 | <alkisg> Yeah it seems out of date with 30_os-prober
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| 22:53 | But agreed, 20_* is what matches our use case
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| 22:58 | <alkisg> html_inprogress: in http://www.pcliquidations.com/p6607-chenbro-micom-rm21706-2 , are those 2 LAN ports gigabit? Or 100mbps?
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| 22:59 | If they're gigabit, that's a very good server for fat clients... (with the additional disks in raid)
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| 23:55 | <html_inprogress> alkisg, http://www.chenbro.com/corporatesite/products_detail.php?sku=23
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| 23:57 | <alkisg> html_inprogress: It doesn't mention anything about the speed there
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| 23:59 | <html_inprogress> well thats the link for it posted on the web sells site
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| 23:59 | alkisg, ,,
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| 23:59 | <alkisg> ok
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