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| 03:04 | <Matrix3000_> anyone running unity with ltsp?
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| 06:42 | <mrcarrot> where can i report bugs. i have a reproducable bug for ltsp (i can trigger it in both ubuntu and debian)
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| 06:43 | <alkisg> In https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bugs. What bug?
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| 06:44 | <mrcarrot> if you have only two partitions: / and /home and you want to make sure /tmp is not filling up /, you can create /home/tmp and make /tmp a symlink to that folder
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| 06:45 | that breaks the mounting of usb sticks in the client
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| 06:45 | in debian lenny it worked, but in squeeze it is not working anymore
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| 06:45 | the same applies to newer ubuntus
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| 06:45 | so mv /tmp /home/tmp
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| 06:45 | ln -s /home/tmp /tmp
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| 06:46 | that is breaking mounting
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| 06:46 | <alkisg> Gotcha. I don't understand why that would happen, but sure go ahead and file the bug.
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| 08:46 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Gary!
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| 08:46 | Feeling better today? :)
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| 08:49 | <garymc> no mate, phone server has fuked up now
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| 08:49 | gotta get that fixed first
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| 08:50 | <Hyperbyte> You're never gonna get it fixed when you have a black cloud over your head though. :) Might wanna fix that first. ;-)
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| 09:24 | <andygraybeal> morning :)
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| 09:26 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Andy!
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| 09:27 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, :)
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| 10:07 | <garymc> ok had to plug old server back in
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| 10:07 | as trying to set new one up brough the whole system to its knees. My old one must be distributing DHCP to my other servers too
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| 10:08 | so I have an Asterisk Phone server there and it went offline because the old server DHCP was gone
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| 10:08 | so god knows how Im going to update my LTSP to 64 bit and new hardware
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| 10:08 | any ideas
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| 10:09 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, create a test environment, in a place where you can work without problems.
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| 10:09 | Where you have space.
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| 10:09 | <garymc> yes im setting it up now
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| 10:09 | but if the phones go down so does my business
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| 10:09 | <Hyperbyte> Your eth0 will be fetching DHCP for internet. It doesn't matter if it fetches that from local network or internet modem - it's still DHCP.
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| 10:09 | <garymc> so im gonna set the test on up nopw
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> So connect eth0 to the main network and let it fetch DHCP
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| 10:10 | And connect eth1 to a small switch or hub with one thin client, or even directly to the thin client.
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| 10:10 | <garymc> well should I have switched other servers off before I done that?
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> No, why?
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| 10:11 | <garymc> so they got there new DHCP stuff. Im pretty sure my current LTSP server distributes all IP addresses across whole network
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| 10:11 | <Hyperbyte> Wait
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| 10:12 | I'll draw a quick diagram.
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| 10:12 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:18 | <Hyperbyte> http://www.recreatie-zorg.nl/testnet.jpg
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| 10:18 | Something like that, is what you want.
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| 10:18 | You can see the test network for thin client is completely seperate from the rest of the network
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| 10:18 | And the server configuration is same for both servers. eth0 = dhcp, eth1 = static.
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| 10:19 | If you make your test environment like this, you can install the new server, test it, prepare it... and then theoretically just switch it with the other one, one day.
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| 10:22 | <garymc> I cant see the piccy Hyperbyte
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| 10:22 | I just see some page with people on it and writing in dutch
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| 10:23 | <Hyperbyte> Congrats.
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| 10:23 | You have just visited my company website. :)
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| 10:23 | Try again
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| 10:23 | You gathered it was Dutch from the .nl, or? :)
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| 10:24 | <garymc> the writing and the picture
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| 10:24 | and you told me you was dutch
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| 10:24 | ok maybe my current setup doesnt have a static IP assigned
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| 10:25 | <Hyperbyte> Your 'new server', you mean?
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| 10:25 | Or your current server doesn't have a static IP?
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| 10:25 | <garymc> either
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| 10:25 | <Hyperbyte> Well your new server has no network configuration probably
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| 10:26 | <garymc> ok so how can I check my current server config? and replicate to my new server
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> As for your current server, if it's handing out DHCP addresses on the local network, it has a static address on the local network. Those two are mutually exclusive.
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| 10:26 | Your current server is Linux, correct?
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| 10:26 | <garymc> yes its UBUNTU LTSP, 32 bit , but its shit slow and internet for users keeps cutting out, so I thought it was time for a hardware upgrade
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| 10:27 | <Hyperbyte> Pastebin /etc/network/interfaces of your current server
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| 10:27 | <garymc> what command will enable me to copy paste that in terminal
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> I don't understand the question.
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| 10:30 | <garymc> ok, cos ive just replaced the server I need to open ssh port, gimme 1 min
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| 10:37 | <garymc> ok i can local ssh to it
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| 10:38 | hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
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| 10:43 | <Hyperbyte> Simple enough. :)
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| 10:43 | eth0 is dhcp, eth1 is 192.168.0.254 / 255.255.255.0
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| 10:43 | So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
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| 10:49 | <garymc> THATS WHERE I FALL FLAT ON MY ARSE
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| 10:49 | whoops Caps lock
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| 10:49 | but wont that mess up my Asterisk server?
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| 10:49 | and my phones
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| 10:53 | <Hyperbyte> Look again at the diagram.
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| 10:57 | <garymc> Ok I just looked, I see what your saying, but how will my thin clients decide to boot from new server and not old one. and what happens if I remove server 1
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| 10:57 | what will happen to my asterisk box etc etc
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| 10:59 | ok when installing LTSP server on new server, do I configure the Network via DHCP? as Im doing this now with the test bed and it fails
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| 11:00 | so im guessing the test bed is looking for an IP from the DHCP server and cant find one. And im not setting it to be the DHCP server
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| 11:01 | so...?
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| 11:07 | <Hyperbyte> So... I'm having lunch. :)
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| 11:07 | <andygraybeal> yum
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| 11:07 | what'r you eating?
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| 11:09 | <garymc> very nice, im waiting for mine
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| 11:09 | enjoy
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| 11:10 | really I need to build the new LTSP and basicly unlplug the old one and replace it with new one
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| 11:11 | and hey presto it all works
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| 11:14 | <andygraybeal> i got an ltsp install with fat-client configuration in a virtual machine just waiting till i have time to get it working properly... i've been doing so many other things.
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| 11:14 | it's not critical as we have ltsp with thin client.. working.. but it would work better with the fat client config :)
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| 11:14 | and on a virtual machine
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| 11:30 | <garymc> MY CURRENT SETUP IS SHIT SLOW AND KEEPS DROPPING THE INTERNET to the thin clients
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| 11:30 | caps lock sorry
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, your LTSP server will be DHCP client on eth0 and DHCP server on eth1.
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> Assuming you have eth0 connected to your local network and eth1 to your test network.
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| 11:32 | <garymc> yes, ok how do I set my test (new one) up in exactly the same way so It replicates the old DHCP server
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| 11:33 | <Hyperbyte> 12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
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| 11:33 | Wait - replicates?
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| 11:33 | Are you sure you mean 'replicates'?
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| 11:34 | <garymc> well I wanna remove old one, plug in new one and it works
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| 11:35 | is this possible
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| 11:51 | <Hyperbyte> Start by setting up your server so it works, okay?
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| 11:51 | Worry about the rest later.
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| 11:51 | Follow my advice please.
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| 11:52 | <garymc> ok hyper, i have a test system setup , but I have no way of connecting to the internet
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| 11:52 | it is connected to a ethernet switch and im setting up a thin client to plug into that same ethernet switch.
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| 11:52 | Do I need an internet connection for the test?
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| 11:57 | <Hyperbyte> The ethernet switch has only the thin client and the server connected to it, right?
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| 11:58 | <garymc> hyperbyte: yes
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| 11:59 | <Hyperbyte> And it's connected to eth1 on the server, right?
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| 11:59 | The new server
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| 11:59 | <garymc> let me check
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| 12:01 | yes
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| 12:01 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, then connect the server with eth0 to your main network
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| 12:02 | <garymc> ok ill do that now
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| 12:02 | <Hyperbyte> And then
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| 12:03 | 13:33 <Hyperbyte> 12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
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| 12:03 | <garymc> ok connected
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| 12:03 | thats the bit I dont know how to do
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| 12:04 | can you help me do that through Terminal?
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| 12:05 | <Hyperbyte> No, I can't.
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| 12:05 | Ask in #ubuntu
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| 12:05 | They know a lot more about general Ubuntu things than me.
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| 12:06 | <TheMatrix3000> Good morning everyone
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| 12:06 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:06 | but this setup still defeats the object
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| 12:07 | i want this new server to connect directly to proper network switch and I want it to have a static of 192.168.0.254
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| 12:07 | just like the old one
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| 12:08 | and my thin client still wont boot via pxe
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| 12:08 | on the test system
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| 12:09 | <Hyperbyte> 14:08 <garymc> hi can anyone help me configure my DHCP server on my UBUNTU
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| 12:09 | server with a static IP so it distributes IPs?
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| 12:09 | That's not what I told you.
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| 12:09 | 14:03 <Hyperbyte> 13:33 <Hyperbyte> 12:43 <Hyperbyte> So configure your new server with eth0 as dhcp, and eth1 as 192.168.1.254 / 255.255.255.0
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| 12:10 | <garymc> right
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| 12:14 | <garymc> could be waiting all day for help in ubuntu
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| 12:14 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, yep. They don't get paid to help you.
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| 12:15 | <garymc> i know.
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, I've given you the Ubuntu guide that should work for all Ubuntu users. If it doesn't in your situation, I can't help you.
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| 12:15 | <garymc> nightmare
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| 12:15 | <Hyperbyte> You need #ubuntu.
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| 12:15 | <garymc> but is this setup going to allow me to remove the old server?
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> That's the whole point isn't it?
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| 12:16 | <garymc> yes
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| 12:16 | but 192.168.1.254 is my router address
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| 12:16 | that distributes IP's for internet to the servers
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| 12:16 | <Hyperbyte> I thought that was 192.168.0.254
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> That's eth1 on the server, right?
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| 12:17 | router =.1.254, eth1 = .0.254
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| 12:17 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Hi mgariepy
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| 12:18 | <Hyperbyte> Hey mgariepy!
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| 12:18 | <garymc> yes
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| 12:19 | internet router is 192.168.1.254 > distributes IPs to Wireless and Servers.
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| 12:20 | Then We have LTSP 192.168.0.254 which distributes IPs to Thin clients and polycom phones and Asterisk Server
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| 12:20 | <Hyperbyte> Then use 192.168.2. for testing
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| 12:20 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:20 | <Hyperbyte> This is information you might've shared earlier, by the way.
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| 12:21 | <garymc> i thought I had, by showing the pastebin
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| 12:21 | maybe not though
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| 12:21 | sorry
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| 12:23 | <garymc> what should I put as Gateway on test server for eth1
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| 12:23 | as it wont let me apply until I do
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| 12:24 | 192.168.2.0 ??
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| 12:24 | <Hyperbyte> I have no idea. It doesn't need a gateway. ---> #ubuntu
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| 12:24 | <garymc> but If I dont add anything, NM wont let me apply changes
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| 12:24 | <Hyperbyte> 14:24 <Hyperbyte> I have no idea.
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| 12:26 | <alkisg> Put 0.0.0.0 as the gateway
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| 12:27 | <garymc> ahhh ok
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| 12:27 | i will redo as I set the gateway to 192.168.2.0
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| 12:27 | and eth1 shows in ifconfig now
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| 12:28 | ok thats it set
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| 12:28 | now what
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| 12:28 | ?
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| 12:28 | <Hyperbyte> Pastebin output of ifconfig.
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| 12:29 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:30 | hmm i cant ssh to it now
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| 12:30 | <TheMatrix3000> anyone know the best way to handle 70 thin clients
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| 12:30 | <garymc> gimme 1 min
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| 12:30 | <TheMatrix3000> should I do them as fat or thin?
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| 12:31 | <garymc> ok my test server has no internet
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| 12:31 | and I cant SSH to it. how am i gonna pastebin?
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| 12:32 | <Hyperbyte> Just tell me the interface names and their corresponding inet addr's
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| 12:32 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:33 | eth0 : inet addr:192.168.0.81
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| 12:33 | eth1 : inet addr:192.168.2.254
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| 12:33 | <Hyperbyte> Looks good!
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| 12:33 | ip route | grep default
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| 12:33 | <garymc> yep but thin client still wont boot
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| 12:34 | ok
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| 12:34 | <Hyperbyte> Of course the thin client won't boot, we're just configuring network now.
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| 12:34 | <garymc> ok
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| 12:35 | default(in red) via 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 proto static
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| 12:38 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, do you use localapps for LTSP?
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| 12:40 | <garymc> localapps ?
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> !localapps
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| 12:41 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: localapps: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> That's not very helpful.
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| 12:41 | <garymc> me or bot?
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| 12:41 | <Hyperbyte> Localapps are local applications, running on the thin clients themselves, rather than on the server.
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| 12:42 | <garymc> no i use server
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| 12:42 | <garymc> i wouldt know how to use local apps
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| 12:42 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 12:42 | In that case
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| 12:42 | Plug eth0 directly to your internet router, not the LTSP server
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| 12:43 | So it gets a 192.168.1. address
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| 12:43 | And configure the eth1 interface with 192.168.0.254 rather than 192.168.2.254
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| 12:45 | <garymc> i cant do that
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| 12:45 | <Hyperbyte> You can't?
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| 12:45 | <garymc> its to far away
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| 12:46 | im in an office the router is miles away
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| 12:46 | the internet cables come into a server box and cables aint long enough
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| 12:47 | to reach me
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| 12:47 | i would have to set this test server up in the server room
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| 12:48 | pure ball ache, cramped and noisey
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| 12:48 | :(
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| 12:49 | <garymc> wouldnt i do that once this test server is working correctly
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| 12:50 | ifg i can get the test client to boot then i will know im on the right track...yes?
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| 12:55 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : you still here?
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> Yes, you can get the test client to boot without this last step.
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| 12:57 | Let's continue then with 192.168.2.254, we'll change it later.
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| 12:57 | Although you're gonna need internet for ltsp-build-client I think, alkisg?
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> Yes, unless he uses the alternate cdrom + some params in the ltsp-build-client command line
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| 13:01 | <garymc> I used the alternate CD
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| 13:04 | ok im ready
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| 13:04 | when you are
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| 13:07 | <Hyperbyte> Me?
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| 13:07 | <garymc> i think so yes
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| 13:07 | <Hyperbyte> I have no idea about the Alternate CD commands
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| 13:07 | <garymc> [13:57] Hyperbyte Let's continue then with 192.168.2.254, we'll change it later.
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| 13:07 | <Hyperbyte> 14:57 <Hyperbyte> Although you're gonna need internet for ltsp-build-client I think
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| 13:08 | You could just route some connection from your server room to where you are testing your server.
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| 13:08 | I don't believe you don't have cables running there already which you can re-route to get server an 192.168.1.x IP
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| 13:09 | <garymc> no, im looking for a massive long cable
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| 13:09 | i have plugs on wall, but the all connect into switch in server room
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| 13:09 | internet cable is long enough to go right into server from under floor
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| 13:10 | in server room
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| 13:10 | i need a really long cable
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| 13:10 | <Hyperbyte> And you can't just interconnect the two?
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| 13:10 | You don't have patch panels?
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| 13:10 | <garymc> a good 40 metres
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| 13:10 | I dont even know what a patch panel is
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| 13:10 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 13:10 | * Hyperbyte cries inside. | |
| 13:10 | <garymc> I set this up last year, and as you can see, its more like the server Jack Built
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| 13:11 | obviously went about it the wrong way
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| 13:11 | got it to work and left it
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| 13:11 | now I need to upgrade, problems arise
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| 13:11 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 13:12 | <garymc> ok I have a cable that reaches
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| 13:12 | atemp one
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| 13:13 | <Hyperbyte> http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl:8080/~jan/serverrack2.jpg
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| 13:14 | Two panels at top are patch panels.
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| 13:14 | All cables running from desks arrive in those panels. From there I can connect them into the switch, or anything I like.
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| 13:14 | If I feel like routing my second network connection here near my desk, straight into the SDSL modem, it's a matter of plugging one cable in somewhere else.
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| 13:15 | <garymc> yeah my dsl modem isnt in the server room. Stupid I know
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| 13:15 | <Hyperbyte> So?
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| 13:15 | Even if it isn't, with patch panels you can still route.
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| 13:15 | <garymc> but I have a cable to it now so lets go
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| 13:16 | :)
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| 13:16 | so I plug internet into eth0
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| 13:16 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, and pick 192.168.0.254 for eth1
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| 13:17 | <garymc> will that not conflict with current server?
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> Then verify ifconfig looks like you expect it to, with correct IP addresses
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| 13:18 | Then verify you have internet
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| 13:18 | <garymc> ok
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| 13:18 | <Hyperbyte> THen
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| 13:18 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 13:18 | <garymc> i have 64 bit thin clients
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> Well, then you can leave out the --arch i386
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| 13:20 | <garymc> hang on, which connection do I remove, the one going to the switch or the one going to the swithc with the ltsp on
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| 13:20 | let me rephrase
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> eth0 -> internet
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| 13:20 | <garymc> eth1 connects to me test switch
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| 13:21 | eth0 connects to my running switch with other servers etc
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> 15:20 <Hyperbyte> eth0 -> internet
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| 13:24 | <garymc> ok i changed ip to 192.168.0.254 but ifconfig still shows 192.168.2.254
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| 13:24 | ???
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| 13:25 | <Hyperbyte> sudo ifdown eth1
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| 13:25 | sudo ifup eth1
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| 13:25 | What about eth0, what does that show?
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| 13:26 | <garymc> done sudo ifdown eth1 : it says eth1 not configured
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| 13:26 | eth0 is now 192.168.1.81
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| 13:26 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, ehm, can you disable and renable the interface from network manager?
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| 13:27 | I'm not too experience with network config. :(
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| 13:27 | Else, what the hell, give it a reboot. :P
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| 13:27 | Then you also know network configuration is good on startup.
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| 13:29 | sudo service networking restart
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| 13:29 | sudo service network-manager restart
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| 13:29 | would've done it by the way, if you haven't rebooted yet.
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| 13:35 | <garymc> ok reboot fine
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| 13:36 | <Hyperbyte> eth0 = 192.168.1.81, eth1 = 192.168.0.254?
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| 13:36 | <garymc> yep
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| 13:36 | <Hyperbyte> netstat -lpn | grep :67
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| 13:38 | <garymc> t hat command doest work do i need to sudo?
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> Yes please.
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| 13:38 | <garymc> ok nothing happened
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| 13:38 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 13:38 | Type 'dhcpd', pastebin output
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| 13:39 | <garymc> no command found
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| 13:39 | did i mean ........etc etc
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> dhcp3d
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| 13:39 | No
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> sudo service dhcp3-server start
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> Huh... what's the dhcpd server called with dhcp3-server?
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| 13:40 | alkisg, I was more looking to get the raw output from the daemon command :)
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| 13:40 | <garymc> i think its dhcp3-server
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: it should have some parameters there, but why not check the logs?
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| 13:40 | tail /var/log/daemon.log
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| 13:41 | <garymc> alkisg sudo service dhcp3-server start : just ran this command and dhcp server started ok
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| 13:41 | <Hyperbyte> netstat -lpn | grep :67
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| 13:43 | <garymc> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:67 0.0.0.0:*
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| 13:44 | <Hyperbyte> update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable
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| 13:44 | (sudo)
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| 13:45 | ls /opt/ltsp/
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| 13:45 | <garymc> done
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| 13:45 | amd64 images
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| 13:45 | <Hyperbyte> !update-sshkeys
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| 13:45 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'update-sshkeys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:46 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> Do that
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| 13:46 | <garymc> do both
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> Yes.
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| 13:47 | <garymc> ok doing it
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| 13:47 | <Hyperbyte> Boot client, taadaa, it works.
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| 13:47 | * Hyperbyte crosses fingers | |
| 13:47 | <garymc> ok this test client is a sony vaio, not 100% its a 64 bit
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| 13:48 | i will get the 64 bit one now to test as this one has failed
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> Failed, how?
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| 13:53 | <garymc> said not 64 bit cpu
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| 13:53 | <Hyperbyte> That's great!
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| 13:54 | <garymc> thats a testr client, but im getting a proper one
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| 13:54 | <Hyperbyte> Means a 64-bit one should boot. :)
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| 13:54 | Hey jammcq!
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| 13:54 | <jammcq> hey hey
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| 14:01 | <garymc> ok 64 bit one setup and waiting to boot
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| 14:02 | <Hyperbyte> Go go go go! :-)
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| 14:02 | <garymc> ok hurray we are in
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| 14:02 | kaaa bling
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| 14:03 | <Hyperbyte> Now you can set up to your liking, install the applications, you need, configure it...
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| 14:03 | <garymc> seems to run quiker too
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| 14:03 | <Hyperbyte> And when you're done, remove the old server, and plug in the new.
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| 14:03 | Everything should work then.
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| 14:03 | <garymc> ok but will my asterisk still work if i swap this now?
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| 14:03 | and the phones
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| 14:03 | <Hyperbyte> Where is Asterisk running?
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| 14:03 | <garymc> should i power all down first
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| 14:04 | its on the 192.168.0.254 netwrok
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| 14:04 | <Hyperbyte> Don't swap it 'now', by the way... sit on it a little bit, test it...
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| 14:04 | Asterisk is a different server, correct?
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| 14:05 | <garymc> yes
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| 14:05 | <Hyperbyte> Why, by the way?
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| 14:05 | <garymc> cos it controls all my office phones
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| 14:05 | and stores all calls
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| 14:05 | recordings
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| 14:06 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, but why is Asterisk not on your main LTSP Linux server?
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| 14:06 | Why do you want a seperate server for it?
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| 14:06 | <garymc> cos I wanted to keep it seperate
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| 14:06 | cos i can
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| 14:06 | ?
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| 14:06 | i was advised to
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 14:07 | Sure, you can.
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| 14:08 | Either way, it'll work with the new server.
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| 14:08 | But if the Asterisk server relies on DHCP (which is a very bad idea for a server), it'll probably get a new IP
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| 14:09 | But I don't get one thing.
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| 14:09 | How does your Asterisk server connect to the internet?
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| 14:11 | <garymc> it has a eth1 and eth0
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| 14:11 | one of those has a direct cable to the router
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| 14:11 | all calls are isdn in our office
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| 14:11 | we use voip as a backup
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| 14:11 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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| 14:12 | <garymc> im running update manager on the server now
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> I'm all voip all the way. Been using Asterisk since late 2007. :)
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| 14:12 | <garymc> gonna reboot and see if all still works
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| 14:12 | cool
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| 14:12 | but our internet connection in the office is not so good
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| 14:12 | we are rural
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> If you want my advice
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| 14:12 | <garymc> yes
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> Configure your Asterisk server with a static IP address
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| 14:13 | Or is it already?
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| 14:14 | In fact, I would configure my Asterisk server and all my phones with a static IP address, in a different range than 192.168.0.x
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| 14:14 | You seperate Asterisk from your main server, to keep it seperate, yet without the main server, your phones don't work
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| 14:14 | That's not good.
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| 14:15 | <Hyperbyte> (that last sentence was a bit strange, but I'm quite tired actually)
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| 14:16 | Or, if you really like using DHCP, you could also put all the phones on another switch, together with the Asterisk server, and run DHCP on the Asterisk server as well.
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| 14:16 | It'll only cost you one switch, and then your phones aren't dependant anymore on the LTSP server for DHCP.
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| 14:17 | <andygraybeal> is there a graphical 'ps' or 'htop' that my users can use? i love htop, but it isn't intuitive enough for my users (without frustration). does anyone have a recommendation?
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| 14:17 | <Hyperbyte> (just thinking out loud here)
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| 14:18 | <andygraybeal> they want to be able to kill processes or their logons (if they logon and forget to logoff)
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| 14:18 | <garymc> all seems ok after running updates
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| 14:18 | so if i replace server in theory it should now work fine
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| 14:18 | do you know anything about shared launchers
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| 14:18 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, no, it won't - did you read what I wrote above?
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| 14:18 | <garymc> I place them in a folder and they appear on all users desktops
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| 14:18 | <Hyperbyte> You need to check your Asterisk configuration, and if possibe, improve it before you switch servers.
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| 14:19 | Asterisk configuration -> asterisk/phones network infrastructure
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| 14:19 | <garymc> hmmmm dont really wanna mess with phone system, been workin fine for over a year
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| 14:20 | my thin clients connect through phone so need them on the same swithch
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| 14:20 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 14:20 | Experiment time.
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| 14:21 | Grab a phone, put it in your test network, between the new server and the test thin client.
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| 14:21 | See if that does anything to speed. Just curious.
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| 14:21 | The phone won't be able to call, but it should still route network packets.
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| 14:21 | <garymc> hmm could that have been slowing everything down?
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| 14:22 | <Hyperbyte> I don't know?
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| 14:22 | That's why I said 'experiment' :)
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| 14:22 | <garymc> cos old server is slow
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| 14:22 | i will now
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| 14:23 | <Hyperbyte> When I hear someone connecting thin clients through a phone, I say 'experiment time' because I'm curious, not because I think the phones are the cause. :)
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| 14:24 | I've never ran a thin client through a phone. Actually, I run softphones on my thin clients. ;-) But that's a different story.
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| 14:25 | <garymc> should i power up the phone
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| 14:25 | <andygraybeal> looks like "System -> Administration -> System Monitor - is the answer
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| 14:25 | <garymc> or just route it through
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| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, I think the phone won't route without power
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| 14:26 | Try it. :)
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| 14:27 | <garymc> already has power, just been looking for a power cord but the swithc is POE
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| 14:27 | :)
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| 14:27 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:29 | <garymc> works fine
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| 14:29 | im gonna replace and see what happens
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| 14:37 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, glad it all works. I will PM you my bank details in a bit with hours spent and money you owe me.
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| 14:37 | <garymc> ok
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| 14:37 | <Hyperbyte> huh, what? :P
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| 14:37 | I'm kidding. :)
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| 14:37 | <garymc> :P
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| 14:37 | <Hyperbyte> That's not really the reaction I expected. :P
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| 14:38 | But if you wanna give something back, please stick around in the channel and help others where you can. Plus it's a good way to pick up knowledge about LTSP too. ;-)
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| 14:40 | <garymc> cool i will do my best
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| 15:22 | <m4xx> i just got ubuntu 10.04 server installed on my new box and installed ltsp 5. The greeter comes up just fine, but when I log in it sys it's "/usr/bin/xauth: creating new authority file /home/user/.Xauthority" then a command line opens in the top left corner instead of a desktop opening up
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| 15:23 | <m4xx> this is like my third box installing ltsp on and i've never ran into this before
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| 15:23 | <Blinny> Had to order 8GB more RAM for my Lucid server. Lucid eats so much more RAM than Hardy.
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| 15:27 | <m4xx> on my previous installs i had installed gnome-core on the server itself or is that already in the image?
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| 15:28 | sorry, i'm typing fast than im thinking.
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| 15:29 | on my previous installs i installed gnome-core on the server. do i need to do this or is it already a part of the image
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| 15:30 | <stgraber> m4xx: what's the output of "ldminfod | grep session-with-name" on your server?
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| 15:32 | <m4xx> blank
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| 15:33 | <stgraber> that'd be your problem then ;)
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| 15:33 | <stgraber> do you have anything in /usr/share/xsessions ?
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| 15:34 | <garymc> Yo Hyperbyte you still here?
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| 15:34 | <m4xx> that directory doesn't exist
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| 15:34 | <garymc> just plugged new server in and all stuff, and it failed
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| 15:34 | nothing would boot etc
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| 15:34 | <stgraber> m4xx: do you have gnome-session installed at all? (or any other desktop environment)
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| 15:35 | <m4xx> no sir
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| 15:36 | <stgraber> well, then ldminfod won't be able to find any available desktop session so won't announce that on the network, which means ldm won't know about them and so will automatically select the fallback xterm session
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| 15:36 | <m4xx> so i do need to install gnome-core
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| 15:41 | <stgraber> I'm not sure what gnome-core is, it seems to be a fairly old meta package. gnome-session is what you need to have the session listed
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| 15:41 | quite probably a few more packages too
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| 15:41 | <Blinny> m4xx: You'll probably have much better luck with the -desktop rather than -server. -- Recall that packages are maintained for X years based on their function, not whether they're in -desktop or -server.
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| 15:42 | Using -desktop means it Just Works (tm).
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| 15:47 | <m4xx> if i use the desktop then i have to un-install a bunch of stuff like the games and what not
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| 15:48 | is there any easy way to do that?
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| 15:48 | <Blinny> Last I checked, Ubuntu had meta packages for that type of stuff.
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| 15:49 | apt-get remove gnome-games-common
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| 15:53 | My sneaking suspicion is that it's not Lucid, but rather flash - Using the sevenmachines PPA for a 64-bit flash means each instance crashes less often, and therefore uses much more RAM per Firefox page load.
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| 15:53 | Have there been any studies of Chromium vs. Firefox in an LTSP environment?
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| 15:57 | <m4xx> has anyone used a touchscreen with ltsp?
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| 15:59 | i just got a Planar LA1950RTR. It has a usb interface. It almost works. If i touch anywhere it move to the top left corner of the screen
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| 16:12 | <m4xx> Afternoon Gadi :)
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> hey
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| 16:14 | <m4xx> any chance i can drag you into helping me get my touchscreen working on a thinclient? I've installed the drivers and it's still acting odd. At first it would just put the mouse in the top left corner. Now it seems that the controls reverse. up is down and down is up.
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| 16:14 | left/right are fine though
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> serial?
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| 16:15 | <m4xx> usb
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> elo?
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| 16:15 | <m4xx> Planar LA1950RTR
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> which driver?
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| 16:16 | <m4xx> http://apps.planar.com/downloads/touchscreen/
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| 16:16 | If you select LA1950RTR it's the only part number, i then select linux 32 bit for OS
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| 16:16 | hmm
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| 16:16 | i take that back
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| 16:16 | i guess i had a glitch
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| 16:16 | perhaps i had gotten the wrong driver
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| 16:17 | newp, looks to be the same file
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| 16:18 | TouchKit-3.05.5025-Linux-26-32bit.zip
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| 16:22 | <pscheie_> jammcq, pong
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> m4xx: did you follow the readme
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| 16:23 | <m4xx> yes sir
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| 16:23 | when i try to calibrate it
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> build the module, blacklist the builtin bmodule, etc
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| 16:23 | <jammcq> pscheie_: hey
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| 16:23 | <m4xx> hmm
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> *module
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| 16:24 | <m4xx> that should have all been done by the script
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| 16:24 | <pscheie_> jammcq, got my plane ticket, so you can add me to the list of attendees for BTS on the wiki page.
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| 16:24 | <jammcq> great!
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| 16:25 | <pscheie_> I tried to edit the page myself, but failed; probably don't have the necessary permissions.
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> m4xx: doubt the script would blacklist things
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| 16:30 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : I swapped servers and it never worked. If I plug in the wrong cable into eth0 and eth1 (wrong way around) would that stop it working
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> Yey! It looks like I'll make it to BTS after all. :)
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| 17:03 | <stgraber> alkisg: cool, got the sponsorship confirmation?
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> Just now, still reading through it...
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| 17:04 | I have lots of stuff to do to get ready!
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| 17:04 | E.g. it says I'll need a roomie for the UDS
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| 17:05 | <stgraber> ah, that's just details, I usually just let that field empty and they assign me someone at random (from Canonical now since I started working for them)
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| 17:05 | just let me know when you start booking your flights so we can arrange to leave from Bangor at the same time
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Will do... /me tries to get the stuff he needs to do in order...
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| 17:13 | <jammcq> alkisg: !!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:13 | I'll finally meet you guys in person!
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| 17:14 | <jammcq> yessir
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| 17:14 | that'll be great
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| 17:23 | <stgraber> jammcq: do you know if ogra_ is coming this year?
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| 17:23 | <ogra_> if i can sort my flights in time
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| 17:23 | :)
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| 17:23 | <stgraber> seems like we'll be at least 3 flying to UDS just after BTS, 4 if ogra_ is coming
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| 17:23 | <jammcq> hey, there he is :)
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| 17:23 | stgraber: almost enough to charter your own plane :)
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| 17:24 | <ogra_> i have to take care for that this week, i should be able to tell you on friday
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| 17:24 | <jammcq> or just borrow Mark's plane
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| 17:24 | <ogra_> thats likely in use at that time :)
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| 17:24 | given he goes to uds as well
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| 17:25 | <stgraber> ogra_: I'm flying to Orlando with US3711 (10am in Bangor, ME on Sunday to La Guardia), then DL1685 (form La Guardia to Orlando, arrivng at 5pm, early enough to be at 7pm at the hotel for the Canonical event)
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| 17:25 | <ogra_> yeah, i'll try to get something similar, did you book all of it through the agent ?
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| 17:25 | <stgraber> yeah, I booked it through the US agent (corporate traveler)
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| 17:26 | <ogra_> paying one hop yourself or all billed to the company ?
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| 17:26 | <stgraber> all billed to the company as it was the same price flying from Montreal or from Bangor
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| 17:27 | <ogra_> ah, you dont fly to bangor
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| 17:27 | <stgraber> (driving down to BTS, then flying to UDS from Bangor and then flying back to Montreal)
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| 17:27 | <ogra_> for me there is one continental flight more :)
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| 17:27 | <stgraber> right, mgariepy is driving down anyway, so it's a lot easier to just get a ride from him :)
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| 17:28 | ogra_: indeed :)
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| 17:29 | ogra_: in that kind of case, I'd usually ask for two quotes, one going only to UDS and the other with the flights needed for BTS, then just send that to Marianna saying that you pay the difference. It's easier than trying to book the extra flights yourself
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| 17:30 | <ogra_> wedll, booking it myself is 5min of work in a web form and it usually costs 1/3 of the price the agent offers me
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| 17:31 | <stgraber> yeah, that's assuming the UDS flights happen to have connections somewhere close to BTS, but I guess flying from Germany you probably have a connection in New York, Philadelphia or somewhere around there
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| 17:34 | <ogra_> well, i will definitely make canonical pay for both oversea flights
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| 17:34 | its just bangor->orlando
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| 18:16 | <andygraybeal> my users keep logging in and forgetting to log out. when they log back in on another terminal, they would like to close their old logins. what specifically should we be looking for to close this old login?
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| 18:16 | i am thinking that we should end a process with "System Monitor" at this point.
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| 18:17 | or how do have them logout their other sessions?
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| 18:17 | they are two lazy to go around to the terminals and find which one they logged into. or is this the best way and what I should be recommending?
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| 18:18 | <Gadi> andygraybeal: try: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True in lts.conf
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| 18:19 | <andygraybeal> Gadi, hmmm... this might piss them off :) but i will consider it and talk it over with them.
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| 18:19 | <Gadi> piss them off?
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| 18:19 | <abeehc> poor users
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| 18:19 | i think they'll pull through
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| 18:19 | <Gadi> it will simply logout the old session
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| 18:19 | like you want
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| 18:19 | <andygraybeal> Gadi, omg.. yes this is exactly what i want!!
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: there's also a LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT to show them a dialog before killing their old login
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| 18:20 | *session
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| 18:20 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, okay, this is interesting.
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| 18:21 | hmm. okay this is getting better.
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| 18:22 | thank you Gadi and alkisg, i will try this right now.
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| 18:28 | okay, testing, brb
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| 18:32 | <andygraybeal> works swimmingly!
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| 18:32 | very good, very good. everyone will be happy.
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| 18:35 | Gadi, i at first imagined that it would not let them log on fi they were already logged in somewhere else.
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| 18:35 | i misunderstood.
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| 18:35 | okay, i gotta show it off.
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| 18:41 | <andygraybeal> okay, for whatever reason - i'm on the same machine, using different screens. i login to 12, then switch to 11, then login - when i say yes close out my previous login, it takes me back to screen 12 (on the login screen) i have to switch back to 11 to get to my new login. (i h ope this makes sense?)
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| 18:44 | maybe i'll re-explain - i first login to screen 12, then i login to screen 11, it asks to close the previous session (screen 12) and i say, "OK" then it dumps me back at screen 12 at the login screen. i have to switch to screen 11 to be where i just logged in at. is this normal?
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| 18:49 | <abeehc> more or less that sounds like the expected behaviour if your talking different virtual terminals on the same machine the fact it switches between them is likely also not unexpected - it's also wierd you'd do that
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| 18:50 | <andygraybeal> yes, it's weird, i'm testing :)
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| 18:50 | <abeehc> well i'd test scenarios your users would actually run into
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| 18:51 | <andygraybeal> yea, they would run into this eventually ... forget what machine they logged into and not bother to see what virtual screen they are on.
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| 18:51 | thank you for the response abeehc
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| 18:51 | <abeehc> haha they'd end up in a fun loopp yeah
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| 18:51 | <andygraybeal> this is great, this will cause a lot less confusion.
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| 18:52 | yea, i think everyone here smokes crack... or atleast teh majority.
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| 18:52 | <abeehc> that would kinda suck but i think it's the nature of x being restarted the terminal will jump back ot that vt
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| 18:52 | lol i have many of those too
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| 18:52 | <andygraybeal> okay thank you for the technical high level explanation.
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| 18:53 | <andygraybeal> thank you for understanding what i wrote to.
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| 18:57 | i can't wait to tell everyone about this.
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| 19:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 19:02 | never seen this message before
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| 19:02 | I am testing oneric daily today
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| 19:02 | and am attempting ltsp-build-client
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| 19:03 | it stops almost immediately with the following: "E: Invalid Release signature (key id <long string>)
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| 19:27 | <JetSetWilly> Hi , i am trying to setup rdesktop and RS-232 com1 printer redirection , is there any way i can setup sshserver on PXE thin client so can setup some Serial port sniffer ?
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| 19:28 | I am using LTSP 5
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| 19:34 | <m4xx> when running "ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp/ --chroot fati386 --prompt-rootpass" it gets to libsexy2_0.1.11 and dies with "Unable to fetch some archives maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing"
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| 19:34 | i've run apt-get update and i still get the error
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> JetSetWilly: i don't know the details, but you should be able to use a serial printer with the standard LDM_PRINTER options in lts.conf
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| 19:39 | m4xx: if you're using a proxy, it may have cached a bunk package
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| 19:39 | m4xx: or your mirror may be out of sync
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| 19:54 | <m4xx> can someone point me to better reading than https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients, it doesn't really tell you where one part stops and the next starts
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| 19:56 | <Hyperbyte> m4xx, just browsed through it, and it seems pretty clear.
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| 19:56 | What part are you having difficulty with?
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| 19:56 | <m4xx> the plug-ins is that either or?
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| 19:57 | <m4xx> n/m i've been up way to long =[
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| 19:57 | <Hyperbyte> Forget about plugins.
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| 19:57 | Links to scripts don't even work in that article.
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| 19:58 | Start with "Building the chroot"
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| 20:01 | <m4xx> can i use libnss-mysql-bg instead of ldap?
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| 20:02 | * Hyperbyte shrugs. | |
| 20:06 | <alkisg> m4xx: that page is very old, if you want fat clients better use the newer implementation
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| 20:06 | !fatclients
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| 20:06 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 20:07 | <shawnp0wers> For the record, I've had really really bad performance with all my FatClient attempts. :(
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| 20:07 | <m4xx> what kind of clients did you have?
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> Fat clients should have the same performance as local installations
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| 20:07 | <shawnp0wers> Probably due to less-than-gigabit network speeds
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> If you got anything different, it was a misconfiguration
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| 20:07 | <shawnp0wers> My clients are dual core AMD machines, with 2.something Ghz CPUS, and 4GB of ram.
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> 100mbps for each fat client is enough
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| 20:08 | Then you should have boot speed about 12 secs, openoffice in 2 secs etc
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| 20:08 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: I really had horrible performance with them, but as thin clients, they scream
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> Misconfiguration then
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| 20:08 | <shawnp0wers> Possibly, but I'm not sure what I could have configured differently
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> The LTSP server is just a network disk for them
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> I don't know, it would need troubleshooting
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| 20:09 | Which distro/version did you try?
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| 20:09 | <shawnp0wers> Right, but things seemed to take forever to load, long time to log in, etc, etc
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| 20:09 | I tried 10.04, and also 11.04, thinking it was due to version
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> Did you disable nbd_proxy and also re-enabled nbd compression?
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| 20:10 | <shawnp0wers> I most likely did not.
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| 20:10 | It was just out-of-the-box
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> nbd compression speeds things up 3 times, it was the default up until 9.10
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| 20:10 | <shawnp0wers> That could very well explain it.
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> And nbd-proxy slows things down too
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| 20:10 | But even with nbd compression off, they should be much faster than thin clients
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| 20:10 | <shawnp0wers> As it is, 11.04 with remote_apps solved all my issues
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| 20:10 | (the ones I was trying to get fixed by installing fat clients)
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> Remote? Or local?
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| 20:11 | <shawnp0wers> local apps opening documents with remote apps
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| 20:11 | (ie, click on a file in firefox, have it open with openoffice on the server)
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| 20:11 | You and I troubleshot this together I think
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| 20:11 | I believe you wrote the ltsp_open stuff. :)
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Not really, just gave some ideas about it :)
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| 20:12 | <shawnp0wers> Anyway, it's pretty much working now. I had to manually assign ltsp_open (or whatever the binary is called) in firefox for a few pesky mime-types
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| 20:12 | but it's working now
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> But really fat clients should be like local installations
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Anything different is worth some troubleshooting
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| 20:12 | <shawnp0wers> I found that on my bench they worked pretty well
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| 20:13 | but if I put them into my greater network, they were painfully slow
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| 20:13 | espeically when connected to 100mbit
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| 20:13 | <shawnp0wers> (my bench is all gig)
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> I might have been the nbd stuff
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| 20:13 | <shawnp0wers> It could be, it certainly felt network related
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> If thin clients work ok, fat clients should fly on the same network
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| 20:13 | <shawnp0wers> But it's hard to beat OpenOffice opening from a thin client. That program shares memory *really* well on the server.
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> Measured on a lab with 13 fat clients: boot = 13 secs, openoffice first time = 5 secs, second time = 2 secs
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| 20:15 | 4 year old clients
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| 20:16 | <shawnp0wers> That is definately not what I was getting. But I'm not complaining at all, things are going swimmingly so far. (second day of school)
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| 20:16 | I have about 250 thin clients this year, and so far all are working well.
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> How many servers?
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| 20:16 | <shawnp0wers> 6
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| 20:17 | * alkisg would like to try 250 fat clients with a single server :) | |
| 20:17 | <shawnp0wers> oh, that's a lie 7
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| 20:17 | :)
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| 20:17 | I used to run 110 thin clients from one server with LTSP4.2
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| 20:17 | Only about 100 of my thin clients are of the variety I'd make fat clients
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| 20:17 | the others are disklessworkstation Atom machines
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| 20:18 | <shawnp0wers> nice thin clients, but pokey fat clients
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| 20:18 | (the 1620 model)
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> Yeah atom is kinda slow for fat
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| 20:18 | <m4xx> is it a waste of time to try it with these 1720s?
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> It usually has problems even with one full screen flash site
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| 20:19 | m4xx: install some distro in a local hard disk (e.g. a usb one)
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| 20:19 | <shawnp0wers> m4xx: I was very disappointed with the 1620s as fat clients
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> What you'll is how fast fat clients will be
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| 20:19 | <shawnp0wers> even on my test bench
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| 20:20 | <alkisg> *see
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| 20:22 | <garymc> alkisg: well my new upgraded ltsp server now works. i got one problem you may know how I fix. When I reboot the server dhcp3-server needs to be started each time, why is it not starting on boot?
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| 20:22 | <m4xx> ls
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| 20:22 | oops
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| 20:22 | lol
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| 20:22 | <garymc> or is that an ubuntu question?
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> garymc, please ask in the channel, not specific persons
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| 20:24 | <garymc> oh ok sorry
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| 20:24 | I got one problem you may know how I fix. When I reboot the server dhcp3-server needs to be started each time, why is it not starting on boot?
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| 20:25 | <m4xx> garymc: do you have another dhcp server running on the network?
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| 20:25 | <garymc> hmm only my web router
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| 20:25 | <m4xx> try turning it off for a minute and see if you still have the problem
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| 20:26 | <alkisg> garymc: how did you configure your network? with network manager, or with /etc/network/interfaces?
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| 20:26 | <garymc> network manager
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> Did you make a system connection, or a user-connection?
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| 20:27 | ls /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
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| 20:27 | Do you see files in that directory?
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| 20:28 | <garymc> right i gotta enable ssh
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| 20:28 | <alkisg> Because it's possible that your network connection is started too late, and that's why dhcp3-server doesn't start
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| 20:29 | <garymc> sorry wont be too long
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| 20:29 | hope your still here
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| 20:41 | <garymc> alkisg : Auto eth1
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> garymc: can you put its contents to pastebin?
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| 20:42 | <garymc> yes
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*
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| 20:43 | <garymc> http://pastebin.com/Bx6da5Z1
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> garymc: I'm talking about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/392826
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| 20:44 | So, if dhcp3-server starts before network manager, it has problems
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| 20:45 | <garymc> ok, ill look at it now
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> One way around it is to use /etc/network/interfaces
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| 20:45 | <garymc> ok im listening
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> Another is to use dnsmasq instead of dhcp3-server
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| 20:45 | Just copy the /etc/network/interfaces file from your old server to your new one
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| 20:45 | And reboot
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| 20:46 | <garymc> ok old server is unplugged
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| 20:46 | :s
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> You put its contents to pastebin this morning
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| 20:47 | Search the irc logs for the link
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| 20:47 | <garymc> I did?
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| 20:47 | <alkisg> Yes, you did
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| 20:47 | :)
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| 20:47 | <garymc> ok
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| 20:48 | is this it? http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 20:50 | <garymc> butthats the new one im sure
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| 20:51 | why woud i pastebin my old setup?
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| 20:51 | i havnt been working on my old setup
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> I wasn't reading your chat with Hyperbyte, don't know
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| 20:51 | Maybe he asked you to see your current setup
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| 20:52 | <garymc> no i didnt give him it :s
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| 20:52 | ill take a look at my interfaces files now
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| 20:53 | <alkisg> 10:38hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/kav7Q9VN
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| 20:53 | That's the time when you gave it to him
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| 20:53 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2011-09-07
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| 20:53 | Read the conversation to find out why
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| 20:53 | <garymc> ok i'll copy and paste it in now
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| 20:55 | changed it. Im rebooting now to see if it works :)
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| 20:55 | how do I tell if it is running once it reboots?
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| 20:56 | ifconfig?
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| 20:57 | <alkisg> sudo service dhcp3-server status
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| 21:04 | <garymc> alkisg : not running
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| 21:05 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, update-rc.d enable dhcp3-server
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| 21:06 | <garymc> hyperbyte file does not exist
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| 21:08 | <Hyperbyte> Paste the complete error please.
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| 21:08 | <garymc> ok i fixed my interfaces card back to the way it was and rebooted server, as DHCP would not start
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| 21:08 | i need them phones working in the morning :S
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| 21:08 | so better put it back
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| 21:09 | <Hyperbyte> 23:08 <Hyperbyte> Paste the complete error please.
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| 21:10 | garymc, this constantly having to repeat myself is getting a bit annoying.
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| 21:10 | "file does not exist" says nothing. I want the entire output of the update-rc.d enable dhcp3-server command
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> it might be called isc-dhcp-server
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| 21:11 | <garymc> sorry got baby on shoulder
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> on recent versions
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| 21:11 | <Hyperbyte> vagrantc, it's not on garymc's system.
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| 21:11 | Been at this whole day with him. =)
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| 21:12 | <vagrantc> ok, just figured i'd check in case it was something silly :)
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| 21:12 | <Hyperbyte> I'm just curious what file doesn't exist... :)
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| 21:14 | <garymc> hyperbyte: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/enable: file does not exist
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| 21:15 | <Hyperbyte> See, I thought it was something silly like that
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| 21:15 | <garymc> hyperbyte : dhcp3 not starting after server reboot
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| 21:15 | <Hyperbyte> I'm confusing it with systemd syntax
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| 21:15 | Did you restore /etc/network/interfaces from before?
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| 21:15 | Then type
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| 21:15 | <garymc> i got it working again
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| 21:15 | <Hyperbyte> update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable
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| 21:15 | And reboot.
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| 21:15 | <garymc> yes i restored and started dhcp again
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| 21:17 | hyperbyte : this look right before i reboot ? http://pastebin.com/aULtPV6N
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| 21:18 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 21:18 | sudo!
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| 21:22 | <garymc> rebooting
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| 21:24 | dhcp not running
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| 21:26 | <Hyperbyte> grep dhcpd /var/log/syslog
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| 21:29 | <garymc> hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/5FUTRaZQ
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| 21:33 | <Hyperbyte> Did you manually start it, after boot?
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| 21:33 | Because at 22:24:57 your DHCP server started.
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| 21:34 | At 22:22:00 it fails.
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| 21:35 | <garymc> yes I manually started it
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| 21:35 | as phones need it
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| 21:37 | so the ltsp is working, I thank you very much hyperbyte would be great if I can get this last bit to work, just incase electric goes say when Im away and server reboots and phones fail
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| 21:37 | <Hyperbyte> update-rc.d dhcp-server disable
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| 21:37 | Sorry
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| 21:37 | <garymc> sudo?
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| 21:37 | <Hyperbyte> sudo update-rc.d dhcp3-server disable
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| 21:38 | <garymc> you want the output pasted?
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| 21:38 | <Hyperbyte> sudo update-rc.d dhcp3-server enable 345
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| 21:38 | Only of the last
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| 21:38 | Not sure if syntax is correct.
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| 21:39 | <garymc> hyperbyte : http://pastebin.com/HDWHgFJq
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| 21:39 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, would this solve it? I'm not sure about Ubuntu runlevels.
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| 21:40 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I don't think it's a problem with runlevels, but with dhcp3-server being launched too soon, before the network interface gets an ip address
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> Righ
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| 21:40 | t
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| 21:40 | So if network starts in runlevel 2, and dhcpd in 3...?
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| 21:40 | garymc, experiment
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| 21:40 | Do these two (sudo)
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| 21:40 | rm -f /etc/rc1.d/K40dhcp3-server
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| 21:40 | rm -f /etc/rc2.d/S40dhcp3-server
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| 21:40 | <alkisg> Runlevels 2-5 are the same in debian/ubuntu
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> Reboot... see if it's started.
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| 21:40 | <alkisg> No difference between them
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 21:40 | That sucks.
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| 21:41 | Still, dhcp3-server shouldn't be in runlevel one.
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| 21:41 | Should it?
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| 21:42 | * alkisg didn't read the chat above | |
| 21:43 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, just try. :) If it doesn't have desired effect we'll try something else.
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| 21:47 | <garymc> should I still rm those two commands?
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| 21:47 | <Hyperbyte> Yes
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| 21:48 | <garymc> ok waiting for reboot
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| 21:51 | <garymc> hyperbyte : not running :(
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| 21:51 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe, okay
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| 21:51 | <Hyperbyte> Let's do it the simple, hacky, way, okay?
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| 21:52 | update-rc.d dhcp3-server disable
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| 21:52 | Then edit /etc/rc.local
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| 21:52 | And above the 'exit 0' line, add /sbin/service dhcp3-server start
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| 21:54 | <garymc> now reboot?
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| 21:55 | <Hyperbyte> Sure.
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| 21:57 | <garymc> not running
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| 21:57 | <Hyperbyte> I don't buy that.
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| 21:57 | <Hyperbyte> 18)$*!)$!@
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| 21:57 | It's in different path in Ubuntu.
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| 21:58 | <Hyperbyte> Why-o-why does every distro have to use different paths. :-)
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| 21:58 | <garymc> shoudl I remove that line we added?
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| 21:58 | <Hyperbyte> In rc.local, /sbin/service should be /usr/sbin/service
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| 21:59 | <garymc> ok changed and rebooting
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| 22:05 | <garymc> hmm my conenction got reset?
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| 22:05 | di dI miss anything?
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| 22:05 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, no
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| 22:05 | Did we?
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| 22:06 | <garymc> well dhcpd still was not running after reboot
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| 22:06 | <Hyperbyte> You're kidding me, right?
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| 22:06 | <garymc> nope
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| 22:06 | <Hyperbyte> Is it still stopped, or did you start it manually again?
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| 22:06 | <garymc> i started manually again
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| 22:06 | <Hyperbyte> ugh
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| 22:06 | <garymc> i found this thread
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| 22:06 | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1094344.html
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| 22:08 | <Hyperbyte> :/
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| 22:08 | It's official. I don't like SysVInit or Upstart anymore.
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| 22:08 | * Hyperbyte <3 systemd. | |
| 22:09 | <garymc> well im stumped
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| 22:09 | maybe I should wait a little while till my head is clear
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| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> The /etc/rc.local trick should've worked
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| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> What happens when you type /etc/rc.local in a prompt?
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| 22:11 | <garymc> if i type sudo before it, it start dhcpd3
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| 22:11 | i will have to go now as the baby needs feeding and missus is knackered
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| 22:12 | youve been a great help, maybe we can sort this somehow this week
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| 22:12 | <Hyperbyte> Sure...
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| 22:12 | <garymc> thanks again, hopefuly all is well tommorow and system and phones work fine
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| 22:12 | good night
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| 22:12 | <Hyperbyte> Night!
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| 22:15 | <andygraybeal> Everyone thinks "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION" and "LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT" rock! thank yuo guys so much.
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| 22:27 | <andygraybeal> i wonder if there is a way to inform users what host or ip address they may be logged in to.
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| 22:28 | i'm reading the LTSPManual.pdf for the first time :)
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| 22:29 | i also wonder if there is a comprehensive list of options for the lts.conf ?
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| 22:29 | documented somewhere
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> man lts.conf
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| 22:30 | !lts.conf
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| 22:30 | <ltsp> vagrantc: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> developers sneak new options in all the time, but that's the best bet.
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| 22:30 | <andygraybeal> ah okay, ldm_limit_one_session_prompt doesn't exist in the documentation that i googled.
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| 22:30 | i think that was it
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| 22:31 | ah mine was lucid....
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| 22:31 | but the settings applied!
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| 22:31 | thank you vagrantc
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| 22:41 | <andygraybeal> there is a way i could write a script that would inform users what host/ip they are logged in to with the addition of LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION & LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION_PROMPT ?
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| 22:51 | <abeehc> absolutely
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| 22:52 | actually i dont know but id be lookin here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/view/head:/rc.d/S15-userLoginCheck
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| 23:15 | <andygraybeal> abeehc, okay, i'm looking know
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| 23:21 | nice.
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| 23:21 | very nice.
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