IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | <abeehc_> i imagine you've set the server to use the proxy to start with? and so the non-localapps work?
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| 00:05 | its really hard to guess out of thin air not knowing your distro and desktop environment
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| 00:06 | for me i'd start with gnome-network-properties on the server then just hope the localapps inherit that
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| 00:07 | otherwise i imagine many apps have to be configured independently
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| 00:07 | there are many kinds of proxies i also have no idea if you are talking http proxy or what i just assumed http or socks
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| 05:48 | <Hyperbyte> Good morning!
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| 05:52 | <alkisg> Good morning :)
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| 05:56 | <muppis> Morning atleast. :)
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| 06:02 | <Hyperbyte> Awwe... what's wrong muppy? :-D
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| 06:03 | <muppis> Road rage at morning. Getting over it.
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| 06:06 | And still struggling with iSCSI.
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| 06:14 | <Hyperbyte> Where abouts do you live in Finland?
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| 06:15 | (minus the 's' there - I'm still waking up)
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| 06:17 | <muppis> Link to Google Maps http://bit.ly/mTtzFQ
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| 06:23 | Of course, is not my exact position.
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| 07:11 | <Hyperbyte> Of course, else I might come and stalk you. ;>
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| 07:12 | I have a friend who lives in Oulu, but that's quite far from you I gather.
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| 07:12 | <muppis> Be my guest. :)
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| 07:13 | Well, my wife and kids lived at Oulu last year, so that ain't so far away.
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| 07:14 | <Hyperbyte> 580 kilometers according to Google Maps
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| 07:14 | ... give or take a little.
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| 07:14 | <muppis> Around that. Takes 5 hours with car with no brakes.
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| 07:15 | <Hyperbyte> Of course, living in the Netherlands near Rotterdam, any distance above 50 kilometers is far away.
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| 07:15 | <muppis> :D
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| 07:15 | <Hyperbyte> Care with no brakes sounds really dangerous though
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| 07:15 | ** Car
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| 07:16 | :-D
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| 07:16 | <muppis> I know, that's why I put it that way. I really meant no pauses.
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| 07:16 | D:
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| 07:16 | <Hyperbyte> I know what you mean. :P
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| 07:16 | <muppis> Good.
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| 07:17 | <Hyperbyte> You know the difference between breaks and brakes right? =)
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| 07:17 | <muppis> Distance from home to work is 48 km. :)
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| 07:17 | Yes. I'm little bit out of caffeine so I make typos more easily.
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| 07:17 | <Hyperbyte> Heh... distance for me is 9 kilometers... although we're moving, so I'm upgrading to 12 kilometers.
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| 07:18 | I live in a city next to Rotterdam... work in Rotterdam, like most of the people living in my city.
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| 07:19 | <Hyperbyte> Traffic is insane, so electric scooter is preferred method of transportation for me. :)
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| 07:19 | <muppis> That's good.
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| 07:20 | <Hyperbyte> Going from my city to Rotterdam during rush hour would take an hour or so. :)
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| 07:20 | By car.
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| 07:20 | <muppis> And for me it just takes 30-40 mins no matter which time. :)
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| 07:25 | <Hyperbyte> :-)
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| 07:27 | <muppis> And if I don't care about speed traps and fuel economy, I could drive it in less than 25 min. >)
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| 07:46 | <nosedrum> hi all
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| 07:46 | i have a issue on client booting
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| 07:46 | ubuntu logo laoding
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| 07:46 | and resume to a blank screen
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| 07:46 | and can't conect to client with ssh
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| 07:46 | any ideas ?
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| 07:47 | <muppis> Does ctrl-alt-f1 work ?
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| 07:49 | <nosedrum> no
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| 07:51 | <muppis> Remove words quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and reboot client.
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| 07:51 | Replace i386 with amd64, if you use 64 bit clients.
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| 07:53 | <nosedrum> no it's 32 bit client
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| 07:53 | the users on phone reboot the client ( i remove quiet and splash)
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| 07:54 | no init found try passing init = boot arg
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| 07:54 | -> Busy box
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| 07:55 | i have try to :
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| 07:56 | ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 07:56 | <muppis> I was suggesting that next to do. :)
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| 07:56 | <nosedrum> add IPAPPEND 3 to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default for possible double dhcp
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| 07:56 | but
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| 07:56 | /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 07:56 | reveal only ltsp server as dhcp
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| 07:58 | i redo a tsp-update-image -a i386 to see
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| 07:59 | target filesystem don't have /sbin/init
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| 08:02 | <alkisg_web> nosedrum: do you get a busybox shell?
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| 08:02 | <nosedrum> yes !
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| 08:02 | <alkisg_web> ls /root
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| 08:03 | That's the root file system, you should see the chroot there
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| 08:03 | If it's empty, nbd wasn't mounted
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| 08:04 | And some more tests as I'm not monitoring the channel too much:
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| 08:04 | ps | grep nbd
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| 08:04 | => see if nbd-client is there
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| 08:04 | mount => see if there's an nbd entr
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| 08:04 | y
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| 08:04 | nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0 ==> try to manually mount the nbd image
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| 08:04 | And, on the server:
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| 08:05 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img
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| 08:05 | grep i386 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:05 | sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt
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| 08:05 | ls /mnt
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| 08:05 | Stuff like that, bbl :)
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| 08:06 | <nosedrum> i can't connect to client
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| 08:06 | i tell the user
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| 08:06 | wait
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| 08:07 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img
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| 08:07 | ls: ne peut accéder /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
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| 08:07 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# grep i386 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:07 | 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:07 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# sudo mount -o loop /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /mnt
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| 08:07 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls /mnt
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| 08:07 | bin dev home media opt root selinux sys usr
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| 08:07 | boot etc lib mnt proc sbin srv tmp var
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| 08:10 | <Hyperbyte> nosedrum, alkisg meant to run these commands on the client, not the server.
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| 08:10 | <nosedrum> i do
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| 08:10 | with a user on site
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| 08:10 | the first
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| 08:10 | ls /root
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| 08:11 | -> cow rofs
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| 08:12 | <Hyperbyte> Also, alkisg made a typo. /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img should be /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:13 | But it exists, else you couldn't mount it.
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| 08:13 | <nosedrum> on server :
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| 08:13 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:13 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 755212288 2011-09-01 10:07 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:13 | sure
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| 08:13 | exists
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| 08:14 | <Hyperbyte> What about the rest of the commands alkisg asked you to execute on the client? :)
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| 08:15 | <nosedrum> nbd-client 192.168.96.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist*
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| 08:15 | on client
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| 08:16 | (sorry for slow but it's a lambda user on phone who make the commands ....)
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| 08:16 | (i don't precise it's a production site.... -__-)
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| 08:17 | so with ps -ef we can see:
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| 08:17 | nbd-client 192.168.96.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist
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| 08:17 | on client
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| 08:22 | <nosedrum> what can i do ?
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| 08:22 | i have try this
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| 08:22 | rm /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 08:22 | ltsp-update-kernels
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| 08:23 | <muppis> Why remove conf?
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> nosedrum: try this: sudo ltsp-update-image --force (and -a i386 if you have amd64 server / i386 chroot)
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| 08:23 | <nosedrum> yes i have to put -a i386
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> After it finishes, if your client still doesn't boot, we'll need you to put some stuff in pastebin
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| 08:23 | <nosedrum> ok i'll try with --force
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| 08:24 | ok
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> --force has code that updates inetd.conf, updates kernels etc
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| 08:24 | Btw which distro version is this?
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| 08:25 | <nosedrum> for info : http://pastebin.com/DXLtbAC9
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| 08:25 | the user is rebooting...
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| 08:25 | ubuntu 10.04
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| 08:25 | cat /etc/lsb-release
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| 08:25 | DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
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| 08:25 | DISTRIB_RELEASE=10.04
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| 08:25 | DISTRIB_CODENAME=lucid
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| 08:25 | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
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| 08:26 | No change => Busy box on client
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| 08:27 | <Hyperbyte> "Configuring inetd... Note: xinetd currently is not fully supported by update-inetd."
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| 08:27 | That's not a default warning, is it?
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| 08:28 | <nosedrum> no idea
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| 08:28 | <nosedrum> think it's a possibility ?
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> LTSP uses inetd by default, not xinetd
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| 08:29 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'pidof inetd' on the server
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> Run: aptitude why xinetd
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| 08:30 | (LTSP in Ubuntu, I mean)
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| 08:30 | <nosedrum> pidof inetd
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| 08:30 | no answers
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| 08:30 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# aptitude why xinetd
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| 08:30 | i ltsp-server-standalone Dépend ltsp-server
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| 08:30 | i A ltsp-server Dépend openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver
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| 08:30 | i xinetd Fournit inet-superserver
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> nosedrum: now try: sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd ==> BUT DON'T PRESS YES
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| 08:31 | Cancel it, and just paste the output
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| 08:31 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
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| 08:31 | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
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| 08:31 | Construction de l'arbre des dépendances
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| 08:31 | Lecture des informations d'état... Fait
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| 08:31 | Les paquets suivants seront ENLEVÉS :
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> Because the `aptitude why` above doesn't justify why xinetd is installed...
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| 08:31 | <nosedrum> debconf-utils* debootstrap* dhcp3-server* ldm-server* ltsp-server*
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| 08:31 | ltsp-server-standalone* ltspfs* squashfs-tools* tftpd-hpa* xinetd*
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| 08:31 | 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 10 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.
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| 08:31 | Après cette opération, 3 924ko d'espace disque seront libérés.
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| 08:31 | Souhaitez-vous continuer [O/n] ? n
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| 08:32 | Annulation.
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> Please do: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
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| 08:32 | So that the messages are in english
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| 08:32 | So it seems that xinetd was installed before you installed ltsp-server
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| 08:32 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
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| 08:32 | Reading package lists... Done
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| 08:32 | Building dependency tree
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| 08:32 | Reading state information... Done
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| 08:32 | The following packages will be REMOVED:
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> But the reason for xinetd has disappeared since then
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| 08:32 | <nosedrum> debconf-utils* debootstrap* dhcp3-server* ldm-server* ltsp-server*
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| 08:32 | ltsp-server-standalone* ltspfs* squashfs-tools* tftpd-hpa* xinetd*
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| 08:32 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 10 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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| 08:32 | After this operation, 3,924kB disk space will be freed.
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| 08:32 | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
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| 08:33 | Abort.
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Now, do: sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd
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| 08:33 | <nosedrum> sorry for franch messages ^^
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> And then: sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> Actually, installing openbsd-inetd will remove xinetd
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| 08:33 | <alkisg> Now it should only tell you to remove xinetd, not ltsp etc
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| 08:33 | Ah ok then
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| 08:33 | If they conflict
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| 08:33 | <Hyperbyte> You can't have both, I learned that the hard way. :)
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> $ apt-cache show openbsd-inetd | grep Conflicts
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| 08:34 | Conflicts: netkit-inetd
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| 08:34 | That doesn't conflict... let me see xinetd...
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| 08:35 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# apt-cache show openbsd-inetd | grep Conflicts
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| 08:35 | Conflicts: netkit-inetd
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| 08:35 | seems to be the same
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Anyway, go on with the openbsd-inetd installation
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| 08:35 | <nosedrum> with apt-get purge --auto-remove xinetd before ?
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> If it tells you that it will remove xinetd, go ahead
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| 08:35 | No
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| 08:36 | First install openbsd-inetd,
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| 08:36 | THEN install xinetd, if it's not already removed due to conflicts
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| 08:37 | <nosedrum> seems to be ok
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| 08:37 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# pidof inetd
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| 08:37 | 5649
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| 08:37 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# pidof winetd
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| 08:37 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log#
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| 08:37 | inetd runs and winetd stopped
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| 08:37 | xinetd*
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| 08:38 | have to regenerate lstp-image before client boot tests ?
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> sudo ltsp-update-image --force
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| 08:38 | (-a i386 etc)
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| 08:38 | <nosedrum> sure
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| 08:38 | <alkisg> It's the easiest way to reconfigure inetd
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| 08:41 | (11:36:08 πμ) alkisg: THEN install xinetd, if it's not already removed due to conflicts => of course I meant "then remove" :)
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| 08:41 | <nosedrum> => blank screnn
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| 08:41 | no boot
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| 08:41 | ...
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| 08:42 | xinetd warning on image generation diseppear...
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| 08:42 | but client still not booting
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| 08:44 | in see nothing in syslog file
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> nosedrum: ok, let's move on
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| 08:48 | Remove quiet splash again from pxelinux.cfg/default so that you don't see the logo
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| 08:48 | <nosedrum> yes please ! ^
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> And, put the output of the following commands to pastebin:
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| 08:48 | cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default (after the editing)
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| 08:48 | grep filename /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:49 | grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 08:49 | ip -oneline -family inet addr show
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| 08:49 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i368/sbin/init
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| 08:50 | After those, we'll need some commands on the client...
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| 08:50 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/ZMy4viwn
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> i368 ==> typo above, I meant i386
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| 08:52 | And, image => images :D
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| 08:52 | Hehe /me needs to type slower...
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| 08:53 | <nosedrum> sure
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| 08:53 | ^^
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| 08:54 | results of commands seems to be good
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| 08:54 | <alkisg> What's the output of the last command?
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| 08:55 | <nosedrum> ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i368/sbin/init ?
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 08:55 | (corrected of course :))
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| 08:55 | ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
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| 08:55 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ip -oneline -family inet addr show
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| 08:55 | 1: lo inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
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| 08:55 | 2: eth0 inet 192.168.96.1/24 brd 192.168.96.255 scope global eth0
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| 08:55 | 3: vmnet8 inet 172.16.114.1/24 brd 172.16.114.255 scope global vmnet8
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| 08:55 | 4: vmnet1 inet 192.168.146.1/24 brd 192.168.146.255 scope global vmnet1
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> Nope not that one
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| 08:55 | The ls command
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| 08:56 | <nosedrum> sorry
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| 08:56 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
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| 08:56 | ls: cannot access /opt/ltsp/image/i386.img: No such file or directory
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| 08:56 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104364 2008-09-30 01:52 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
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| 08:56 | <alkisg> (11:52:21 πμ) alkisg: And, image => images :D
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> -___- i'm tired
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| 08:57 | root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
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| 08:57 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 104364 2008-09-30 01:52 /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init
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| 08:57 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 755212288 2011-09-01 10:37 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> $ cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 08:57 | The output of this?
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| 08:57 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/issue
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| 08:57 | Ubuntu 9.04 \n \l
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> So you're running an 9.04 chroot on a 10.04 server?
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| 08:57 | Why?
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| 08:58 | <nosedrum> because i upgrade server
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> It's adviced that you create a new chroot on server upgrades
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| 08:58 | <nosedrum> ok let's go
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> OK, do this:
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| 08:58 | <nosedrum> this works on test
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| 08:58 | <alkisg> sudo mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.904
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| 08:59 | <nosedrum> but go
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| 08:59 | ok
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> sudo ltsp-build-client -a i386 (and whatever else params you put there)
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| 08:59 | <nosedrum> what params
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| 08:59 | ?
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| 08:59 | just ltsp-build-client -a i386 is ok no ?
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> It's ok
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| 09:00 | <nosedrum> root@ltsp_a96:/var/log# ltsp-build-client -a i386
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| 09:00 | /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client: invalid option -- 'a'
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| 09:00 | LTSP Build Client usage:
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| 09:00 | ltsp-build-client <options>
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| 09:00 | Regular options:
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| 09:00 | --dist set the distribution to be used for install
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| 09:00 | --extra-help display help for all available commandline options
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| 09:00 | --help display this help message
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> --arch=i386
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| 09:00 | <nosedrum> --mirror set the mirror location
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| 09:00 | ok running
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| 09:00 | many times
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| 09:00 | ?
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| 09:00 | can i go smoke ?
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| 09:00 | :D
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| 09:00 | <alkisg> Yeah, it'll take maybe half an hour
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| 09:01 | ;)
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| 09:01 | But no you can't go smoking. I quit smoking so I try to force others to quit too :P (just joking)
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| 09:05 | <nosedrum> xD
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| 09:05 | too late
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| 09:10 | <nosedrum> build client is to libudev0
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| 09:10 | still running....
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| 09:44 | <nosedrum> build client still running....
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> What's your internet speed?! dial up?!
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| 09:50 | On my 6mbps connection, it takes 28 minutes, and I even install some extra packages
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| 09:59 | <nosedrum> on this site this is 512 kbps ....
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| 09:59 | but if you want to know i have 10 mbps there
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| 09:59 | xD
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| 09:59 | still running ....
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| 09:59 | oh !
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| 09:59 | just finish
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| 10:00 | what next ?
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| 10:00 | ltsp-update-image and boot client ?
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| 10:01 | still there ?
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| 10:01 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 10:01 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 10:01 | <Hyperbyte> Yes.
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| 10:02 | <nosedrum> so
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| 10:02 | build-client finish
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| 10:02 | just have to ltsp-update-image and boot the client
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| 10:02 | ?
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| 10:02 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 10:02 | <nosedrum> ok i'll try
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| 10:02 | now
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| 10:05 | ok ! boot works !
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| 10:05 | but logon page is graphicaly decaled
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| 10:06 | ubuntu and logon box and trunced on left screen side
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| 10:06 | <Hyperbyte> Do you use one or two monitors?
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| 10:12 | <nosedrum> i'm back
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| 10:12 | sorry
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| 10:12 | yes
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| 10:12 | the graphical problem
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| 10:12 | <Hyperbyte> Wait stop!
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| 10:12 | You weren't smoking again were you?
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| 10:12 | <nosedrum> nop !
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| 10:12 | ^^
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| 10:12 | <Hyperbyte> Okay, carry on.
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| 10:12 | :P
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| 10:12 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 10:12 | the thin client
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| 10:13 | have two dvi output
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| 10:13 | i know we can disabled the second output
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| 10:13 | but how
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| 10:13 | don't remember
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| 10:14 | i just connect to client lstp session with VNC and see the desktop extended on two screen
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| 10:14 | <Hyperbyte> How is the screen connected?
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| 10:14 | With a DVI->VGA adapter?
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| 10:14 | <nosedrum> but physicaly there is only one screen connected to first dvi output , the second dvi output not connected
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| 10:14 | yes with dvi /vga adaptater
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| 10:14 | <Hyperbyte> And there is no DVI->VGA adapter plugged in to the second port, is there?
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| 10:15 | Just an adapter, without a screen, maybe?
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> nosedrum: can you login?
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| 10:15 | <nosedrum> yes !
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> OK, login and run:
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| 10:15 | ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 10:15 | On the xterm that opens, run:
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| 10:15 | lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGSA
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| 10:15 | VGA
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| 10:15 | Is it an intel card?
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| 10:16 | (or, if you have ssh access to the client, or if you already know it's an intel card... etc)
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| 10:16 | <nosedrum> no intel
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| 10:16 | ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> What's the output of xrandr, if you run that on a normal gnome-terminal?
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| 10:16 | (on the client)?
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| 10:17 | Basically we need the output names
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| 10:17 | LVDS1, VGA1 etc
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| 10:17 | <nosedrum> seems to be 1024x768 x 2
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> If you run `xrandr --output THE_NOT_CONNECTED_OUTPUT --off`, is your resolution fixed?
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| 10:18 | If so, you can put it as a kernel setting
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| 10:19 | In pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address
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| 10:19 | bbl again :)
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| 10:19 | The syntax is video=LVDS-1:d
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| 10:19 | (: d => disabled)
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| 10:20 | <Hyperbyte> ATI Radeon should turn off one output automatically I think?
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| 10:21 | nosedrum, is there a DVI->VGA adapter in the unused DVI port? Adapter without a screen attached?
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| 10:21 | <nosedrum> so
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| 10:21 | <Hyperbyte> Also, what happens when you connect the screen to the other DVI port and reboot? Does it switch to the correct resolution then?
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| 10:22 | <nosedrum> VGA-0 and DVI-1 are detected connected by ltsp
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| 10:22 | i put a xrandr --output DVI-1 --off
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| 10:22 | => solve the problem
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| 10:22 | so how can i put this à booting ?
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| 10:22 | at*
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| 10:22 | <Hyperbyte> ^^^
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| 10:24 | <nosedrum> can i modify something in tls.conf
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| 10:24 | like:
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| 10:24 | [p3_a96]
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| 10:24 | LDM_USER_ALLOW=p3,admindsi
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| 10:24 | X_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:24 | <nosedrum> X_OUTPUT_DVI-1=off ????
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| 10:24 | lol
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| 10:24 | ok
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| 10:25 | then ?
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> Beside quiet splash, put: video=DVI-1: d
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| 10:25 | without the space
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| 10:25 | I put the space before " d" just to prevent the smiley from showing
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| 10:25 | Save, reboot. Did it solve your problem?
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| 10:25 | <nosedrum> above or bottom the line ? or on the line aside quiet ?
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> (reboot client)
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| 10:25 | On the same line
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| 10:26 | quiet splash video=DVI-1:d
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| 10:26 | <nosedrum> :d = disable ?
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> d means disable the output, yes
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| 10:26 | It works on intel, but I'm not sure if it works on ati
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| 10:27 | <nosedrum> just save file no update-image ?
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> If it doesn't, you can still do it with lts.conf xrandr commands
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| 10:27 | No update-image
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| 10:27 | <nosedrum> save file => rebooot client ?
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Just save
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| 10:27 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:27 | <nosedrum> go tests
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> ...and bbl again :)
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| 10:30 | <nosedrum> doesn't work
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| 10:30 | i'll see with xrandr commands on lts.conf
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| 10:30 | more difficult is past
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| 10:30 | we'll go lunch
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| 10:30 | thx for all mens
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| 10:30 | i'll be back this afternoon for defenitive report
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| 10:30 | see u
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| 12:19 | <TheMatrix30001> Anyone have good links to find out how to push a firefox config to ltsp-localapps firefox
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| 12:19 | for all users
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| 12:34 | <nosedrum> something like that rsync -arv /home/user/.mozilla/firefox/<profile> /opt/ltsp/i386/home/user/.mozilla/firefox/<profile>
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| 12:35 | <TheMatrix30001> users don't have directories on /i386/home?
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| 12:36 | that's on the image
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| 12:36 | these are thin clients not fat clients
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> TheMatrix30001: is this about the proxy you were asking yesterday?
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| 12:36 | <TheMatrix30001> yea
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| 12:36 | i need to set the system proxy
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| 12:36 | cause by default that's what firefox and chrome are using
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type string --set '/system/proxy/mode' 'manual'
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| 12:37 | gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type bool --set '/system/http_proxy/use_http_proxy' true
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| 12:37 | gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type string --set '/system/http_proxy/host' 'server'
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| 12:37 | gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:"$ROOT/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" --type int --set '/system/http_proxy/port' 3128
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| 12:37 | Something like that works for fat clients
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| 12:37 | Localapps shouldn't be different
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| 12:37 | <TheMatrix30001> ok
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| 12:37 | let me check
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> Unless gconf isn't running and settings are not applied
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| 12:37 | ROOT = your chroot
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| 12:37 | Leave 'server' as it is
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| 12:38 | Don't change it at all, unless it's not your ltsp server
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| 12:38 | (fat clients and localapps know the ltsp server as "server" from their /etc/hosts file)
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| 12:38 | <TheMatrix30001> its not
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| 12:38 | the ltsp server isn't running the proxy
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> ok then put the ip there
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| 12:40 | !ltsp-update-image
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| 12:40 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-update-image: If you use NBD (e.g. Ubuntu), every time you change something in your chroot (e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386), you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin clients for the changes to take effect
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| 12:40 | <TheMatrix30001> yea, know that part
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| 12:45 | <nosedrum> how to translate the command " xrandr --output DVI-1 --off " in lts.conf ????
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| 12:46 | like X_OUTPUT_DVI-1=OFF ??????????
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| 12:47 | <TheMatrix30001> sudo -i; rm -rf /home/*/.gconf/apps/panel
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| 12:47 | oops
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| 12:48 | wrong window
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> nosedrum: try this: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="DVI-1 --off"
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| 12:57 | <TheMatrix30001> alkisg, for the proxy, is it possible to make it use a wpad file?
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> TheMatrix30001: sure, but all this isn't really ltsp related... better ask it in #ubuntu
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| 12:57 | <TheMatrix30001> k
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| 13:01 | i actually can't use sabayon can i on ltsp
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| 13:02 | can i
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> Why? Did you see that ltsp interferes with sabayon somehow?
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| 13:02 | <nosedrum> alkisg: YOU ROX ! ;)
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| 13:02 | thx again
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| 13:02 | <TheMatrix30001> sabayon writes the server, not the /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> nosedrum: you're welcome
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| 13:03 | <TheMatrix30001> ah, it will work, i just have to use sabayon for server apps, not for localapps
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> Right. For localapps you'll need some more work, to copy the settings etc
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| 13:10 | <TheMatrix30001> does this look correct then alkisg, http://pastebin.com/Z13B7jsL
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| 13:17 | i need help
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| 13:18 | <roasted> hey guys
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| 13:18 | just curious, should I have any DNS info stored in the LTS file?
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| 13:18 | I'm having a DNS issue, but ONLY with my clients. if I plug in my laptop to a cat5 line that goes to the thin client boxes, I can ping by hostname fine.
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| 13:18 | <TheMatrix30001> i deleted an entire /home directory for a ltsp user, but when I try to use Firefox i get a Your Firefox profile cannot be loaded. It may be missing or inaccessible
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| 13:18 | how do i fix it, i thought if I logged out and deleted the entire /home/user directory
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| 13:18 | it would regenerate the file
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| 13:19 | also firefox is running as local app on a thin client
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
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| 13:19 | I have found that in some of the versions, we don't have the initramfs code to update resolv.conf on the client from dhcp
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| 13:23 | <roasted> Gadi, any ideas offhand what the story is for 10.04 with the default LTSP version?
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
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| 13:24 | :)
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| 13:24 | <roasted> Gadi, I also have two DNS servers. Could I add both?
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| 13:24 | Gadi, I'm going to :P
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| 13:24 | <Gadi> I think we only support 1 in lts.conf - but I forget
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| 13:24 | :)
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> Multiple, space separated
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| 13:24 | <roasted> DNS_SERVER=10.52.1.2,10.52.1.8
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| 13:24 | ?
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| 13:24 | er
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| 13:24 | + space
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> DNS_SERVER="1 2"
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| 13:25 | <roasted> DNS_SERVER=10.52.1.2 10.52.1.8
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| 13:25 | alkisg, when you coming to the states so I can pay off my beer debt?
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| 13:25 | :P
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| 13:25 | * alkisg wonders if airline companies accept tickets payment in beers... :) | |
| 13:26 | <roasted> alkisg, hey, if they do, I'd make it happen!
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| 13:28 | is an update image alone good enough after adding the DNS entries?
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> No need to update anything after modifying lts.conf
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| 13:28 | <roasted> ah, k
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| 13:29 | hm, still having an issue.
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| 13:30 | it's so strange. I cannot ping by hostname on the clients, however, if I plug in my laptop to the SAME network the clients are plugged into (same switch) I'm fine.
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> well, get a shell on the client and see what goes on
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| 13:30 | ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 13:30 | getltscfg -a
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| 13:30 | cat /etc/resolv.conf
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| 13:31 | <roasted> resolv has the 2 DNS servers we use.
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> are you on a .local domain?
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| 13:31 | <roasted> yes
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> check your /etc/nsswitch.conf 's hosts line
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| 13:32 | what does it say?
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| 13:32 | <roasted> files dns
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| 13:32 | I edited it
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| 13:32 | <pscheie> Gadi !!!
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> thats good
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| 13:32 | pscheie: !!
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| 13:32 | <pscheie> Are you coming to BTS in Oct.?
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> roasted: check your default gateway
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| 13:33 | pscheie: I plan to :)
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> When you did "cat /etc/resolv.conf", did you do that on the *local* terminal, or that was your server's resolv.conf?
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| 13:33 | <pscheie> Cool!
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> roasted: Also, see if you can ping with ip
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| 13:33 | <roasted> Gadi, the gateway is different for each NIC because each NIC is on a different IP segment
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| 13:34 | servers are .2, gateways are .1
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| 13:34 | 10.52.17.1, 10.52.17.2
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| 13:34 | 10.52.18.1, 10.52.18.2
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> the *thin client's* gateway
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| 13:34 | <roasted> sec
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> roasted: pause. run ltsp-localapps xterm. Did you get a local terminal? ALL the commands we mention should be ran in that.
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| 13:35 | Don't run anything in gnome-terminal or on the server
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| 13:36 | <roasted> etc resolv - nameserver 10.52.1.2, nameserver 10.52.1.8
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| 13:36 | both on different lines of course
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Can you ping them?
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| 13:37 | (with ip)
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| 13:37 | (again from the local terminal)
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| 13:37 | <roasted> what's weird is, I can ping www.google.com
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| 13:37 | but I can't ping our file server via name
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| 13:37 | er
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| 13:38 | wrong term
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| 13:38 | ping not permitted in xterm
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| 13:38 | icmp open socket - operation not permitted
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> dig www.google.com
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| 13:39 | Do you get an answer from your dns server?
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| 13:40 | Or better: dig @10.52.1.2 www.google.com
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| 13:41 | <roasted> I think Im missing some stuff in my resolv file
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| 13:41 | my last server had 4 lines, 2 being nameservers
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| 13:41 | search domain or something like that
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| 13:41 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1626167
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> (04:24:01 μμ) Gadi: roasted: try adding DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN to your lts.conf
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| 13:42 | <nosedrum> another question
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> But that only matters if you don't search for a full name
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| 13:42 | <roasted> alkisg, he specified lts.conf
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| 13:42 | I'm talking resolv
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| 13:42 | <nosedrum> when i want to apt-get a package un /opt/ltsp/i386 chrooted
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| 13:42 | i have to chroot /proc ???
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| 13:42 | <roasted> sec, I need to fire up the old server and see what it has.
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> roasted: whatever you put in lts.conf, ltsp client initscripts put them to resolv.conf
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| 13:42 | <roasted> alkisg, oh, no kidding?
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| 13:43 | alkisg, you just earned yourself a keg my friend.
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| 13:43 | :P
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> Yeah, that's what we're trying to tell you all this time :)
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| 13:43 | <nosedrum> Because this kind of error:
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| 13:43 | the java command requires a mounted proc fs (/proc).
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| 13:43 | <roasted> alkisg, I hadn't known that LTS and resolv are directly affiliated like that.
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| 13:43 | I thought they maybe both had to be set up to "talk" properly
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| 13:43 | my bad... let me fire up this server though quick and see what its setup was.
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> nosedrum: put the whole command and output to pastebin
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| 13:44 | It's possible that /proc needs to be mounted, yes
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| 13:45 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/84ey8gUk
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| 13:46 | i don't remmeber the command for /proc
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> nosedrum: while in the chroot: mount -t proc proc /proc; apt-get install -f; umount /proc
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| 13:46 | <nosedrum> alkisg: thx a lot dude ! :)
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| 13:49 | <roasted> bingo.
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| 13:49 | that was it
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> roasted: you need to trust people here a little more :
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| 13:49 | :)
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| 13:49 | <roasted> alkisg, believe me, I do. I just had no idea lts and resolv were related my friend.
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| 13:51 | <roasted> that said, I need to move on to the next thing.
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| 13:51 | as always, gadi, alkisg, thanks for your time
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| 13:53 | <map7> Can I use qemu to boot from my LTSP machine?
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| 13:55 | <TheMatrix30001> xdg-desktop-menu: No writable system menu directory found. when installing chrome
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| 13:55 | as localapp
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| 13:57 | !topic
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| 13:57 | <ltsp> TheMatrix30001: I do not know about 'topic', but I do know about these similar topics: 'topics'
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix30001, do a search for that on the IRC logs. Asked before, solved before.
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| 13:59 | ...
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix30001, do a search for that on the IRC logs. Asked before, solved before.
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| 13:59 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, just did
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:00 | <TheMatrix3000> didn't find anything for the exact phrase, looking for parts of it now
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| 14:00 | i like the new site
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| 14:00 | <Hyperbyte> 1st of august.
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| 14:01 | New IRC logs you mean?
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| 14:01 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 14:01 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks. :) Made it myself. :)
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Can I put a vote on the non-scrollable header? /me hates it... :P :D
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| 14:22 | <Hyperbyte> I will make it even smaller.
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| 14:22 | But seriously, will you throw away that 15" CRT you're using and buy a real screen please?
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> Nah, I love my 11" netbook
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| 14:24 | But don't make it smaller - just make it scrollable
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> The weird thing is that on android, google-chrome ignores the non-scrollable property, so it's more viewable on my 7" phone than on my 11" netbook
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| 14:26 | <pscheie> Where are the IRC logs?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> See the /topic
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> BTW, clicking on "more..." on the IRC paragraph on the Support page at www.ltsp.org returns an error
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| 14:29 | Oh, very cool! (IRC archive)
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| 14:29 | Hyperbyte, you make that?
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> The whole wiki in sourceforge needs some love, it's one of the main subjects of BTS this year
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| 14:35 | <pscheie> alkisg, are you coming to BTS?
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> I hope so, but I'll only come if my UDS sponshorship is approved
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| 14:36 | I hope I'll know soon
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| 14:36 | <pscheie> ah, right. You've got a bit of distance to cover to get there.
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Yeah, the tickets are too expensive
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| 14:36 | <pscheie> Doh! Bought my plane ticket yesterday; today it's $15 less.
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| 14:37 | <pscheie> Oh well, my price was $15 less than it had been the day before.
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 14:38 | <pscheie> Yeah, it's always a gamble.
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| 14:40 | <TheMatrix3000> when i install a localapps image do i still have to install the application on the server too
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that's not weird (the mobile browser ignoring non-scrolling)
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| 14:52 | I've set the header as a fixed page element, meaning it will always stay in the same position in the window
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| 14:53 | Your mobile browser doesn't handle webpages the same, it treats them as documents and renders them as once... lots of other things about positioning are ignored too.
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| 14:53 | pscheie, but yeah, I made that. :)
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| 14:54 | <TheMatrix3000> look at this from Google Chrome as localapp
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| 14:54 | http://www.staples.com/Ameriwood-Tiverton-Computer-Workcenter-Expert-Plum/product_718420
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| 14:54 | ah crap
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| 14:54 | bad copy
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| 14:54 | <pscheie> Hyperbyte, very nice. Good job.
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| 14:55 | <TheMatrix3000> When running Google Chrome under a supported desktop environment, the system proxy settings will be used. However, either your system is not supported or there was a problem launching your system configuration.
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| 14:55 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks. :)
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| 14:55 | <TheMatrix3000> Google Chrome i guess doesn't support ltsp
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| 14:55 | haha
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| 14:56 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, are you crazy?
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| 14:56 | <TheMatrix3000> nope
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| 14:56 | screenshot?
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| 14:56 | <Hyperbyte> No.
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| 14:56 | It has nothing to do with Google Chrome not supporting LTSP.
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> (05:53:22 μμ) Hyperbyte: Your mobile browser doesn't handle webpages the same, it treats them as documents and renders them as once... lots of other things about positioning are ignored too. ==> nah, I think it just ignores the fixed elements oon purpose, because of the small screen space.
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| 14:56 | Other than that, all other elements and javascript work as usual
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| 14:57 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, my point exactly. It renders pages differently on purpose.
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| 14:57 | <TheMatrix3000> then what would cause it?
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| 14:57 | http://screencast.com/t/T2gUVnOfao
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| 14:57 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, LTSP clients are stripped-down versions of full Linux installations.
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| 14:57 | <TheMatrix3000> yes
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| 14:57 | <Hyperbyte> You're obviously missing something that Google Chrome wants.
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| 14:58 | <TheMatrix3000> hmm
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| 14:58 | wonder what it is
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| 14:58 | <Hyperbyte> Correct statement would be that Google Chrome's packages are missing some dependancies
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| 14:58 | <TheMatrix3000> -f will install all then right?
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| 14:58 | <Hyperbyte> Or, that Google Chrome doesn't work on LTSP as localapp out-of-thebox
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| 14:58 | But saying Google Chrome doesn't support LTSP is a bit ridiculous. :)
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| 14:58 | <TheMatrix3000> haha
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| 14:59 | Google Chrome isn't Out-of-the-Box LTSP Friendly
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> I'm off!
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| 14:59 | <TheMatrix3000> how's that
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| 14:59 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: it's not?
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| 14:59 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: works like a champion here
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| 14:59 | oh i'm not using localapp
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| 14:59 | <TheMatrix3000> firefox works
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| 15:00 | <tarzeau> as localapp?
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000: think gconf.
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> haha, yea, I am using localapp
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| 15:00 | <Hyperbyte> Now I'm really off... later.
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> gconf is working
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| 15:00 | <tarzeau> localapp would be much slower
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> proxy settings work under firefox
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| 15:00 | <tarzeau> what clients do you have?
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| 15:00 | firefox is much slower, and crashes often (with nfs homes, and remote)
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> I have 70 1.8Ghz minimum with 2GB ram
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| 15:00 | <tarzeau> and that's what you call thin client?
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| 15:00 | <TheMatrix3000> my server is a Quad Dual Core Xeon
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| 15:01 | 8GB RAM
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| 15:01 | so 8 cores, 8gb ram
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| 15:01 | using a RAID 10 NFS Server with 1TB
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| 15:01 | <tarzeau> we got about the same amount clients, but more like 500/1600 mhz and 512/1024 mb memory
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| 15:01 | <TheMatrix3000> for /home directories
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| 15:01 | on a gigabit ethernet
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| 15:01 | <tarzeau> two servers load balanced in ldm each with 12 and 16 gb memory and 4 and 8 cores
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| 15:02 | <TheMatrix3000> ha, nice
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| 15:02 | <tarzeau> each machine 2-5 tb diskspace i think
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| 15:02 | <TheMatrix3000> if i had more powerful servers, then i'd do less localapps
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| 15:02 | <tarzeau> our users have separate machines to run jobs (like two workstations with 16+48 cores, 128 gb memory)
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| 15:02 | TheMatrix3000: how's your server not powerful enough?
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| 15:03 | <TheMatrix3000> firefox my friend
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| 15:03 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: gigabit network?
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| 15:03 | <TheMatrix3000> firefox and flash is the devil
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| 15:03 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: remove firefox and use google-chrome
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| 15:05 | <TheMatrix3000> do you allow flash on there tarzeau?
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| 15:06 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: yes
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| 15:06 | but we have two ltsp servers, and it's not like all our users look flash stuff all the time at the same time
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| 15:06 | most just write latex in emacs, and render it, read pdf documents, print stuff
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| 15:06 | read and answer emails
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| 15:07 | run oneliners in mathematica, maple, idl, matlab etc
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| 15:07 | <TheMatrix3000> so you are saying just run chrome on the server
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| 15:08 | in your personal opinion
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| 15:08 | <tarzeau> yes
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| 15:09 | i guess you use LDM_DIRECTX = True , right?
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| 15:09 | <TheMatrix3000> no
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| 15:09 | <tarzeau> no?
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| 15:09 | <TheMatrix3000> i leave it encrypted
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| 15:09 | <tarzeau> maybe you should
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| 15:09 | <TheMatrix3000> we have private data on the network
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| 15:09 | cc numbers etc
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| 15:09 | <tarzeau> but it's YOUR network, isn't it?
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| 15:10 | <TheMatrix3000> we have to meet PCI compliance
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| 15:10 | <tarzeau> and we also have a windows server with RDP
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| 15:10 | oh then get a bunch more powerful servers or really run chrome/flash locally :)
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| 15:10 | <TheMatrix3000> i plan on doing LTSP-Cluster soon so
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| 15:10 | <tarzeau> why not stuff disks on the local things, and drop the ltsp part? :)
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| 15:10 | <TheMatrix3000> centralized management
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| 15:10 | on ltsp is so nice
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| 15:10 | <tarzeau> is it?
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| 15:10 | <TheMatrix3000> and replacing PC's is a cake
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| 15:10 | yes
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| 15:11 | <tarzeau> we have centralized managed workstations (with local disks)
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> Why not completely fat clients, instead of localapps?
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| 15:11 | <tarzeau> it's so nice!
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| 15:11 | <TheMatrix3000> ah, i thought about that
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> (ltsp-based)
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| 15:11 | <tarzeau> TheMatrix3000: not so, here
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| 15:11 | <TheMatrix3000> we don't have hard drives in all the computers
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| 15:11 | either
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| 15:11 | so
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| 15:11 | <tarzeau> buy them? they are cheap
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 15:11 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> You don't need hard drives...
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| 15:12 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, we talked about fat clients before
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Over gigabit fatclients are actually faster than standalone clients
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| 15:12 | <TheMatrix3000> haha
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Boot time = 12 seconds vs 50 seconds, on the same lab
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| 15:12 | ok
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| 15:13 | <TheMatrix3000> so i can still modify chroot
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> ?
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| 15:14 | <TheMatrix3000> when i restart the fat client it downloads the image right
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| 15:14 | doesn't need a hard drive?
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> No
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| 15:15 | Fat clients are like localapps
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| 15:15 | It's just that everything is a localapp
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| 15:15 | So sabayon actually works, gconf works, file associations work etc
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| 15:15 | It's much easier to manage imho
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| 15:15 | <TheMatrix3000> so i can use sabayon on the server
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| 15:15 | and it will affect all of the clients as well
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> Not exactly. You install sabayon in the chroot.
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| 15:16 | <TheMatrix3000> or do i have to an ltsp-update-image --fat-client
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> You don't even need X on the server with fat clients
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| 15:17 | <TheMatrix3000> so how do i make a sabayon config or gconf setting stick to all the fat clients at once
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> You work directly in the chroot, however you want
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| 15:17 | <TheMatrix3000> but when i restart a client it will redownload the chroot
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> The chroot is a networked disk. It works like a usb disk. Only needed sectors are fetched, not all of it is downloaded at once
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| 15:18 | So you can have e.g. a 5 gb chroot, and boot a 512mb ram client with it
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| 15:19 | <TheMatrix3000> ah, that explains why i see a download of 70mbps when someone opens firefox
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| 15:19 | lol
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| 15:19 | <TheMatrix3000> btw, backbone is gigabit
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| 15:19 | each client has their own 10/100
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> Bandwidth-wise, a hard disk is faster than a 100mbps network
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| 15:20 | But in the server most of the chroot is cached in ram
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| 15:20 | So seek time is basically zero
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| 15:20 | That's why it's so much faster than local installations
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| 15:21 | <TheMatrix3000> so if i have 1gb ram on a fat client i am fine
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 15:21 | It's the same as now, where you tried a localapps firefox
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| 15:21 | <TheMatrix3000> and i can edit the chroot without having to do ltsp-update-image
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> Fat clients have the same performance as localapps, more or less
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| 15:22 | See the wiki page for a how to
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| 15:22 | <TheMatrix3000> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 15:22 | im already reading it
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Backup your whole /opt/ltsp dir before trying fat clients, so that you can revert with a simple mv
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| 15:25 | <TheMatrix3000> man
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| 15:25 | lol
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| 15:26 | can you do ltsp-cluster with fat clients
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Cluster is for server load balancing, right?
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| 15:26 | <TheMatrix3000> eh, more redundancy
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> I don't think you'd ever need that with fat clients
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| 15:26 | <TheMatrix3000> being able to turn off a client and turn it on if it stops working
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> You can do load balancing and redudancy at the dhcp level, with multiple nbd servers in your network
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| 15:27 | <TheMatrix3000> ubuntu doesn't do the dhcp
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| 15:27 | because we have multiple subnets
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> Any pc with 1gb ram will do just fine for a fat client server
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| 15:27 | <TheMatrix3000> using the same ltsp server
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> So it's very easy to have multiple servers for redundancy
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| 15:29 | <TheMatrix3000> also, the reason why we use localapps
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| 15:29 | is often times our people will have 15+ tabs open
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| 15:29 | with google documents that are huge spreadsheets
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> localapps are the same as fat clients, so you'll notice no difference in the number of tabs etc
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| 15:30 | <TheMatrix3000> like 30 sheets and a couple hundred rows
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| 15:30 | ok
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| 15:30 | but to update the fat clients i need to do the chroot update
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| 15:30 | then just restart the fat clients
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> To create a new chroot, see the wiki page
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| 15:30 | <TheMatrix3000> and they are good?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> One difference between localapps and fat clients is that when you click on a link that contains a spreadsheet, with fat clients it will open on a local openoffice, while with localapps you need to enable remoteapps and configure ltsp-open to open it on the server etc, it's more tricky
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| 15:33 | <TheMatrix3000> ah ok
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| 15:33 | also if the ltsp server crashes the thin clients still run?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> If you boot a pc with an ubuntu live stick, and remove the stick, does it still work?
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| 15:34 | <TheMatrix3000> never tried it
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> If you boot a pc, and remove its disk, does it still work?
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| 15:34 | (the answer is no, since it will have no access to its disk)
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| 15:34 | (in all 3 cases)
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| 15:40 | <alkisg> There are methods to have nbd proxy servers (like xnbd) which provide even more load balancing + redundandy, and allow the ltsp server to be powered off, while the clients still work
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| 15:40 | But the proxy will need to be online
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| 16:07 | <TheMatrix3000> so 1gb ram on a p3 1ghz will work fine as a fat client
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| 16:07 | and be faster than it is now
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> Fat clients are like local installations
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| 16:08 | So imagine that you inserted a local disk on that machine, and installed ubuntu on it
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| 16:08 | <TheMatrix3000> and ran it from the ram and not the hd
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> No, from the hard disk
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| 16:08 | If that will be faster than what you have now, then fat clients will also be faster
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| 16:09 | If not, nope
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| 16:09 | <TheMatrix3000> but i dont have hard drives
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> That's why I said "imagine"
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| 16:09 | <TheMatrix3000> nor will i be able to order them
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| 16:09 | ha
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| 16:09 | ok
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Fat clients are as fast as local installations, more or less
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| 16:10 | So, a p3 1 Ghz will work, but won't be very fast with a recent ubuntu/gnome. It'll be faster with e.g. a debian/lxde.
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| 16:10 | <TheMatrix3000> Ubuntu Desktop Edition 1 GHz x86 processor (Pentium 4 or better) 512 MiB of system memory (RAM)
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> And a core 2 duo / 2 GB RAM will be very fast.
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| 16:10 | Try with a live usb stick
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| 16:11 | Or an external usb disk
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| 16:11 | You'll get an idea of how fast it will be..
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| 16:12 | <TheMatrix3000> k
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Remember, you've already seen how fast your clients will be, they'll be as fast as your local firefox runs.
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| 16:40 | <TheMatrix3000> and you are saying administration of the fat clients is easier?
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> From localapps? Usually, yes. From thin clients? Certainly not.
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| 16:48 | <TheMatrix3000> well since i use thin clients and localapps it would be easier
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| 16:49 | and it would make my chrome setup actually work and use the proxy right?
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| 16:49 | and applications should work or run better
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| 16:49 | because they are running from the local machine and not over the network and the server
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| 18:26 | <TheMatrix3000> ?
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| 18:27 | alkisg, did you get my last reply?
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: I think it would take less time to actually create a fat chroot and test for yourself, than to try answer so many questions. :)
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| 18:45 | <TheMatrix3000> ok, can i run a fat-chroot and a thin-chroot at the same time
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| 18:46 | and italc works on fat clients better right?
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| 20:29 | <john_s> looking for help with alternate language support with local apps
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> john_s: and be patient :)
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| 20:30 | <john_s> heh!
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| 20:30 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
| 20:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anybody tried out localapps in 11.10 yet?
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| 20:30 | I just put in a bug - 839042
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| 20:30 | * vagrantc is still using 6.0 | |
| 20:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> it seems that masquerading does not work properly as it had in 11.04
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| 20:30 | <john_s> vagrantc: I've been trying to figure this out off and on since march. Running Ubuntu 10.04
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> john_s: there are many clever folks here, but they may not knkow the details of your problem enough to solve
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| 20:32 | john_s: with localapps, if you figure out the exact steps needed on a standalone box, then we can maybe figure out how to replicate those steps for localapps
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| 20:38 | <vagrantc> john_s: have you posted a thread on the ltsp-discuss mailing list?
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| 20:43 | <john_s> vagrantc: sorry, I was called away. Yes I posted back in march http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39401.html
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| 20:44 | vagrantc: The steps needed on a standalone box are System>Preferences>Ibus Preferences> Input Method to add japanese language support. The a hot key combo to use it
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| 20:58 | <Gadi> john_s: have you tried: ltsp-localapps ibus-setup?
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| 20:58 | and see if it gives you the same thing as on the server?
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| 21:00 | <TheMatrix3000> almost done building my new fat client
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| 21:00 | i guess its so much easier to build either thin clients or fat clients
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| 21:00 | not thin clients with localapps
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| 21:00 | lol
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| 21:03 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: hi
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> Hey :)
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| 21:03 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: almost done building that fat client, then on to test it in my subnet
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| 21:04 | alkisg: using fat clients italc will work too won't it
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| 21:04 | <john_s> gadi: Yes I can launch the ibus stuff via local apps, however the ipus widget reports "no input window" when I click on it. Which I take to mean that it doesn't "know" about the local firefox running in it's environment
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: If it works on thin for you, it'll work for fat too, and you'll even be able to control the login screen
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| 21:05 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: i have never been able to get it working on the thin
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> Decide what best suits you first, and see about italc later. It doesn't matter much, thin or fat, for italc.
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| 21:06 | <Gadi> john_s: the ibus widget runs on the server and will only know about apps connected to the server dbus
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| 21:06 | (ibus uses dbus)
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| 21:06 | you would need to launch a localapps version of the widget
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| 21:07 | <Gadi> that one will know about the localapps connected to the local dbus
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| 21:07 | dbuses are on parallel streets ;)
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| 21:09 | <john_s> gadi: I think I am doing that. Here's a pastebin of what I am up to http://pastebin.com/4t3quWXe
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| 21:39 | <TheMatrix3000> booting up the fat client now
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| 21:44 | alkisg: can I use Ubuntu Software Center from a FatClient to update the image
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| 21:45 | ha nope
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| 21:45 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: no. I'd like to make the ltsp chroot bootable with vbox one day though, that would allow someone to use graphical programs to customize his chroot
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| 21:46 | You might have some success with read/write nfs or nbd, but I haven't tried it
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| 21:46 | <TheMatrix3000> !flashplayer
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| 21:46 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "flashplayer" is not a valid command.
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| 21:46 | <TheMatrix3000> !flash
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| 21:46 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 21:46 | <TheMatrix3000> !flashplugin
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| 21:46 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "flashplugin" is not a valid command.
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| 21:47 | <TheMatrix3000> !ltsp is useless
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| 21:47 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: Error: "ltsp" is not a valid command.
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| 21:50 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: how do i train the bot
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| 21:51 | <alkisg> !learn learn as to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
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| 21:51 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 21:51 | <alkisg> !learn
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| 21:51 | <ltsp> alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 21:52 | <alkisg> Oooops
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| 21:52 | !factoids
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| 21:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
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| 21:52 | <alkisg> !learn factoids as to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
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| 21:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 21:52 | <alkisg> !factoids
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| 21:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: factoids: to add factoids to the LTSP bot, type: !learn factoid as text
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| 21:52 | <TheMatrix3000> ha nice
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| 21:52 | ok
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| 21:53 | to update a fat client image i do a ltsp-update-image -a i386 -b fat-i386
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| 21:53 | right
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| 21:53 | <alkisg> What is that -b?
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| 21:53 | <TheMatrix3000> base
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| 21:53 | i have 2 images
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| 21:53 | <alkisg> No, -a fat-i386
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| 21:53 | <TheMatrix3000> one is thin client
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| 21:53 | oh ok
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| 21:54 | <alkisg> You can use the fat chroot to boot thin clients, or even thin clients with localapps
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| 21:54 | You don't need many chroots (except for testing)
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| 21:54 | Just specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
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| 21:54 | <TheMatrix3000> how does the thin client know its not a fat client then?
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| 21:54 | oh
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| 21:55 | ha, the thin client information works too
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| 21:55 | rofl
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| 21:55 | <alkisg> What are your current fat client specs? CPU/RAM?
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| 21:55 | <TheMatrix3000> ha, it tells me to use ltsp cluster control
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| 21:56 | its in a vm right now
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| 21:56 | Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz
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| 21:56 | cause that's what my pc is
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| 21:56 | <alkisg> Ah, so it should be going fast
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| 21:56 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 21:56 | very
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| 21:56 | im going to limit it here in a sec
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| 21:56 | to 1ghz and 1gb ram
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| 21:57 | ha, shutdown actually works now
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| 21:57 | before it would only log you out
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| 22:03 | <TheMatrix3000> ok i hqf3 q p4ogl3m
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| 22:03 | ahaha, oops
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| 22:03 | ok, now I have a problem. When I log in I do not have any panels
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| 22:07 | <alkisg> !reset-panels
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| 22:07 | <ltsp> alkisg: reset-panels: To reset Gnome panels, losing all customizations you've made to them: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && pkill -u $USER gnome-panel
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| 22:08 | <TheMatrix3000> do i do that on the ltsp server, or while chrooted in the fat client
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> Erm, when you're working at a fat client, you're not chrooted
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| 22:10 | You run that command while working on a fat client, as the user that has the panel problem
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| 22:14 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, it does boot faster
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| 22:15 | ok need help
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| 22:15 | can't run that command
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| 22:15 | how do i get up a terminal session
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| 22:18 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: you run that command in a normal session
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| 22:18 | Where you're experiencing the probelm
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| 22:18 | problem
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| 22:18 | You open gnome-terminal normally, and run that command normally
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| 22:19 | No special terminal sessions involved...
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| 22:19 | Ah you mean how to get a terminal without the panels :D
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| 22:19 | Press alt+ctrl+t
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| 22:19 | Or, alt+f2 and write gnome-terminal
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| 22:19 | Or right click on the desktop and create a launcher
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| 22:19 | ;)
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| 22:21 | 'night all
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