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05:20 | <ltspuser_43> hi
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05:24 | <oo-dragon> Hello all. I have a question for LTSP. I have setup a guest account for people (with the guest login button) but since its the same user/password, only one user can have firefox open, all others say there is one open already. is there a way around this?
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05:27 | <alkisg> oo-dragon: create a different guest account for each client
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05:28 | guest01, guest02 etc
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05:29 | <oo-dragon> sounds time consuming. have like 50 computers
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05:30 | hmm ... must be another way to allow firefox to have multi processes open
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05:30 | wonder if chrome would work...
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05:31 | <alkisg> It depends on if you care about lost data or not
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05:31 | And about gnome crashes etc etc
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05:31 | You're using thin clients, not fats or localapps, right?
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05:32 | <oo-dragon> yea thin clients
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05:32 | and don't care about data lose
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05:32 | crashes i would though :P
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05:32 | <alkisg> You don't want users to be able to save stuff permanately?
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05:33 | <oo-dragon> i have a shortcut on the desktop that goes to network storage
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05:34 | <alkisg> Anyways, from the LTSP side, if you spend a few minutes to create 50 accounts and match them via your client mac addresses, you're done,
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05:34 | while if you want 50 parallel logins of the same account to the same PC (the ltsp server), that's no longer an ltsp issue,
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05:34 | it's a gnome/firefox/chrome/libreoffice etc issue
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05:35 | So you'd have to contact dozens of software maintainers to inform them about multiple logins problems with their apps, and I doubt they'd be willing to work on that
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05:35 | <oo-dragon> i see your point. so you think creating multiple guests is the best option?
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05:36 | <alkisg> Yup, unless your clients are good enough to run the session locally (fats/localapps)
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05:36 | That's a whole different issue then
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05:36 | <oo-dragon> hmm well I'm pretty sure 98% of them have 512 RAM and P4 processors
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05:37 | <alkisg> They would work with firefox in kiosk mode, but not in full session mode
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05:37 | <oo-dragon> but wouldn't firefox still just be saving what ever (creating lock file) on the server, fat image or not?
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05:37 | <alkisg> Maybe with lxde they would work in full session as well
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05:38 | Since you don't want /home/username to be saved across logins, you could have that locally in a tmpfs
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05:38 | <oo-dragon> and that could be done even with thin clients no?
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05:39 | <alkisg> No
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05:39 | Their session runs on the server, and you can't have different mount points per user
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05:40 | I.e. map /home/username in one tmpfs for the first login, and on another tmpfs for the second login
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05:41 | <oo-dragon> ahh
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05:41 | hmm
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05:42 | <alkisg> You're not the first one to ask about guest accounts, you know :)
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05:42 | * alkisg has even made scripts to clear the home folder on login | |
05:45 | <oo-dragon> ^_^
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05:45 | well thanks for info
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05:45 | not sure what I'll do just yet
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05:45 | getting all those mac addresses sounds like a pain, never mind making all the users
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05:56 | so where do you use LTSP?
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06:06 | <elias_a> Schools, in businesses where identical bulk terminals are needed.
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06:08 | oo-dragon: Callcenters are a good example where the benefits make a difference.
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06:11 | <alkisg> oo-dragon: you can get all the mac addresses with `arp -an`
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06:18 | oo-dragon: also, you can make 50 users with a for loop in 1 minute
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06:24 | <oo-dragon> ^_^
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06:30 | <vnc786> on giving print some times i got this in .xsessions-errors and printing doesn't work http://pastebin.com/VLuRntju
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06:31 | but if i logged out and log in print works with no issue. facing this issue with one times a day on fat clients
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06:32 | it's network printer any help !!!
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06:39 | <alkisg> vnc786: are you using unity-3d, unity-2d, or gnome-fallback?
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06:44 | <vnc786> unity 2d
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06:44 | <alkisg> It might be related, I haven't seen any such issues with gnome-fallback that we're using here
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06:57 | <vnc786> alkisg: was wondering what will happen if I installed lxde in my chroot will exiting gnomeDE will be removed or at time of logging it will have both option ?
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06:58 | <alkisg> vnc786: you'll have both, but do a backup of your chroot before you start trying things
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07:03 | <vnc786> I am getting shell by atl+F2 root but it is not asking passwd it is giving direct root login is there any way it should ask passwd ?
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07:04 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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07:04 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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07:04 | <alkisg> You're doing this, while you want that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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07:19 | <vnc786> how can i know how many ltsp clients are connected i tried the command
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07:19 | ps ax | grep -o LTSP_CLIENT='[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}' | awk -F '=' '{print $2}'
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07:19 | but it shows nothing
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07:20 | echo $? = 0
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07:21 | i did use netstat and logs to find out but since it provide me ltsp and non ltsp machine output also
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07:29 | <alkisg> connected == logged in, or booted?
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07:32 | <vnc786> connected, logged in, booted
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07:32 | <alkisg> So, just booted
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07:32 | Since all the logged in machines are also booted
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07:33 | So you're not looking for "LTSP_CLIENT" as that only appears after login
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07:37 | You could e.g. check the nbd connections
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07:38 | sudo netstat -nap | awk '/ESTABLISHED .*nbd-server/ { print $5; }'
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07:39 | sudo netstat -nap | awk '/ESTABLISHED .*nbd-server/ { print $5; }' | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u
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07:42 | <vnc786> alkisg: both command working thank you for that
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07:44 | ok just confirming above command will show those who are using nbd-server and it will show that connections only
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08:19 | <oo-dragon> alkisg: haha, I just found a irc log with a convo that looks very similar to what I just asked :)
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08:19 | alkisg: your in it and everything :)
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08:19 | <alkisg> :)
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08:19 | <oo-dragon> http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2010-05-03
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08:22 | hmm I'm using dconf-editor, but the settings do not seem to be saving through to LTSP ... or even on the server as far as I can tell
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08:22 | do I have to do something special to make it perminent?
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08:22 | pretty much trying to do this
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08:22 | org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen 'true'
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08:22 | org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled 'false'
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08:23 | <alkisg> Not ltsp related at all
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08:23 | You want to save a gnome setting for all users
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08:23 | While it's saved for the current user only
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08:23 | Right?
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08:24 | <oo-dragon> yes
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08:24 | i think
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08:25 | minus the while its saved for the currnet user only
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08:25 | either effect every one, or all new users, doesn't matter at this point
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08:27 | <alkisg> In the edubuntu-users mailing list, jbitcha had described a method to perform dconf mandatory settings
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08:27 | That was 4-5 months ago, check its archives
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08:27 | It's not LTSP related so better not include "LTSP" in your googling...
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08:29 | <oo-dragon> think i'll save this one for another night
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08:29 | its past 12 already :S
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08:29 | should be getting to bed
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08:29 | thanks for assists
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08:30 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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09:58 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg!
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12:38 | <andygraybeal> how would rolling releases effect ltsp?
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13:16 | <JuJuBee> What does Transport Endpoint Not Connected mean?
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13:18 | I have 12 workstations connecting to my ltsp server and I am logging into each one and capturing the ifconfig eth0 output so I can set up my DHCP server with reservations. On some of the machines I get that error when I open terminal. Sometimes a reboot corrects it sometimes it takes several reboots.
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13:19 | <Hyperbyte> Hi JuJuBee :-)
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13:20 | <JuJuBee> Hi Hyperbyte
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13:20 | Any idea what is going on with my message?
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13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Not entirely sure, but I think Transport Endpoint Not Connected means the client lost the connection to the NBD server
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13:21 | Due to server reboot or some other mishap somewhere
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13:21 | <JuJuBee> I have not rebooted the server in several days
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13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Well I'm no expert in these matters
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13:21 | <JuJuBee> It's strange, the computer right next to it is fine...
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13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Well the computer right next to it is another computer. ;-)
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13:22 | <JuJuBee> I know... :(
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13:22 | <Hyperbyte> I think alkisg can shed some light if he's around, or maybe one of the other devs.
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13:22 | It would help if you had some more info... you say sometimes it takes several reboots... what happens during the first reboots where a reboot doesn't 'fix it'?
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13:23 | <JuJuBee> Nothing special seems to happen, but when I log in and go to terminal, pwd says I am in / rather than /home/user
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13:26 | ANother question, it seems that when using ifconfig, I have to specify absolute path... /sbin/ifconfig eth0. I thought sbin was in the system path by default on ubuntu install?
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13:51 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, any chance the users' default shell might be sh instead of dash/bash?
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13:51 | Wild guess here
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13:51 | Or, that the default shell configured for the user might not exist on the system at all?
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13:53 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: nope, it is set to bash
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13:54 | AND... /sbin is in the path echo $PATH for this user account
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13:54 | at least on the ltsp server... haven't checked in the chroot
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13:56 | Hmmm, tab-line-completion doesn't work inside the chroot env? sudo apt-get install chrom(tab tab) nothing happens...?
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14:11 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, type "bash", see if that fixes the problem.
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14:11 | If so, then the user IS getting the wrong shell. :-)
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14:12 | Or run ps -p $$ to determine the current shell
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14:48 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: bash did not fix problem and ps -p $$ reported bash is current shell
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14:54 | <JuJuBee> Odly enough, I changed dhcp config to issue static reservations and now tab line is working, however, this transport endpoint not connected is causing me much grief... I can't be constantly rebooting after each login...
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14:55 | <alkisg> ls .gvfs
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14:56 | Is that what complains about transport point not connected?
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14:56 | <JuJuBee> on client?
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14:56 | <alkisg> Yes
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14:56 | (fat I assume, right?)
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14:57 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: yes fat, if I log in and get that error, I don't have a home dir isn't that where .gvfs is located?
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14:57 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: that's the "serious sshfs bug" i've been bugging the other devs about...
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14:58 | Let me get you the bug report...
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14:58 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1093144
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14:58 | Not that it's not really fixed even if I put "fix committed" there,
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14:58 | and it's a long way till "fix released"
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14:59 | So if your users need to login a second time before client reboot, I'd suggest for you to move to NFS instead of SSHFS for the time being
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14:59 | Or, wait about 10 days, I'll have patches till then :)
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15:00 | <JuJuBee> So is that why a reboot corrects it?
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15:00 | <alkisg> Yup
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15:00 | <JuJuBee> I can live with that for a few days I guess.
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15:01 | Can you give me advice on how to install software into image that uses a gui installer like netbeans?
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15:01 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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15:01 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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15:03 | <JuJuBee> Is that only way? What if I want software on server that I don't want clients to have?
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15:03 | <alkisg> Use a template client, either a physical one, or in a VM
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15:03 | No, it's not the only way
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15:03 | The other way is to sudo chroot + copy your xauthority to the chroot
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15:04 | Then X works, but of course DBUS and the rest do not
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15:04 | So it might work for some simple programs like netbeans
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15:04 | <JuJuBee> After install of netbeans can I remove xauthority to make dbus work again?
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15:05 | <alkisg> Errr I meant dbus won't work in the chroot, it'll work fine on the server and on the booted clients without you doing anything
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15:05 | So yeah I guess copying xauthority would be enough, try it
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15:08 | <JuJuBee> I assume you mean copy the xauthority from the server /home/user/.Xauthority but where to I copy to in chroot?
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15:08 | <alkisg> if HOME is /root, to /root/.Xauthority
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15:09 | There are also xauth commands you can use instead of copying the file, but I don't remember them offhand
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15:09 | <JuJuBee> and then run the installer from inside the chroot?
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15:10 | <alkisg> Right
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15:10 | <JuJuBee> alkisg: thanks, I will try that.
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15:13 | <Hyperbyte> !xauthority
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15:13 | <ltsp> xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pgrep -nx 'ldm|kdm_greet|lxdm-greeter-gt|dbus-daemon')/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
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15:13 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, that's different. :P
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15:13 | JuJuBee, you could just switch to NFS for /home/
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15:14 | <JuJuBee> so configure image to use nfs to mount /home?
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15:17 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah
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15:18 | Just set FSTAB_0 in lts.conf to the correct fstab line for mounting /home/
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15:18 | And make sure the rpc services are running on both client and server
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15:19 | <JuJuBee> This is to fix the but with enpoint not connected? I don't mind waiting a while for a patch and rebooting after a logout
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15:19 | The college where I adjunct requires users to reboot rather than logout
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15:23 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, I think NFS home dirs is better anyways, performance-wise.
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15:37 | <JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: do I have to tell it to not use sshfs or just config nfs...
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15:38 | <Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, LTSP stops using sshfs if /home/<user>/ already exists during login
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15:38 | So no need.
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15:38 | <JuJuBee> OK, thanks. updating image now
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15:48 | I have all of my users already on my original server and was using nfs already to mount /home on my workstations. Should I move the home dirs to new server or just configure nfs to mount from old server? I am asking from a performance standpoint. Will I gain anything by keeping them on old server vs. mooving them to new server with ltsp-server running...?
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15:52 | <dievel> Hi everybody. Yesterday I was dealing with a thin client that wasn't able to boot, hanging at "blkid" command on boot. Well, after all the test I can say that the ethernet card SiS190 is the problem. Adding and using an Intel Card (with PXE Prom) the client boot without problem :) Case closed! ;)
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16:57 | <JuJuBee> I can't get one of my required apps to run on the client... I tried running from cli and got no error messages but nothing shows on screen. It is a GUI app called PacketTracer from Cisco...
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16:58 | The .desktop file is http://pastebin.com/nfs4EGwX and all pathing seems correct
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