IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 September 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:11 | <muh2000> hmmm ltsp update to debian squeeze did not work so well :(
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| 00:17 | usb keyboard not working anymore :/
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| 00:35 | <muh2000> is debian/squeeze known to work with ltsp?
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| 02:36 | <benGREEN> morning all
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| 02:36 | is there any documentation on LDM?
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| 02:37 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDM not really cutting it
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| 02:39 | ah, okay, got part of what I wanted here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures
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| 02:40 | <benGREEN> Is there a page somewhere about themeing LDM?
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| 02:44 | <cyberorg> benGREEN, just replace bg.png for background and logo.png in default theme, for anything else look at gtkrc in the theme
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| 02:44 | <benGREEN> cyberorg, cheers
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| 02:44 | I'll have to look at gtkrc, I would like to maintain my own theme
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> !docs
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| 02:46 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> benGREEN: might be more information in the upstream documentation ^^
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| 02:47 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc :)
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| 02:47 | <vagrantc> cyberorg: hi. don't run into you too often lately.
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| 02:48 | and on that note, i'd best get some sleep. :)
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| 02:48 | <cyberorg> yeah, busy, but always lurking here :)
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| 02:48 | 'night
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| 02:54 | <Briareos1> hi
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| 02:55 | why could it be that the ltsp 8.04 shows 90-100% cpu usage in gnomes system info, while under processes there is no such high usage shown?
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| 03:08 | <Briareos1> the ltsp is in a VM (virtual box) - could cstate's be related to the issue?
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| 05:09 | <xwrs> hello
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| 05:14 | help me to configure ltsp-server-9999 on gentoo
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| 05:15 | ...please
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| 05:30 | <zamba> what's the "best" and most suited installation for ltsp? ubuntu desktop or ubuntu server?
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| 05:31 | <ogra> server doesnt include a desktop env
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| 05:32 | which you need for ltsp
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| 05:32 | !ubuntu
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| 05:32 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 05:32 | <ogra> follow the guilde
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| 05:32 | *guide
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| 05:33 | <xwrs> how to install ltsp-5 on gentoo
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| 05:33 | &
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| 05:33 | ?
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| 05:33 | <zamba> ogra: ok, so it's basically better to just install the desktop edition?
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| 05:34 | ogra: i'm installing jaunty, though..
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| 05:36 | <xwrs> who knows how to configure ltsp-5 on gentoo?
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| 05:40 | <xwrs> where i can get ltsp-5 documentation?
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| 05:41 | <benGREEN> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 05:41 | and the rest of the wiki too
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| 05:49 | <xwrs> thanks,but i need manuals for ltsp-5 port on gentoo.
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| 05:52 | <benGREEN> config should be similar for all distros
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| 05:52 | the generic defaults are specified in the documentation, with some distro specific notes
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| 05:54 | <xwrs> maybe,but i have a problem with a ltsp-build-client. last extra-package doesn't want to build
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| 05:55 | *want to be built
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| 05:55 | sorry for my english
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| 05:56 | <benGREEN> grammar was good in both of those :)
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| 05:57 | <xwrs> :)
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| 05:58 | can i resume building of client after correcting error?
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| 06:00 | <benGREEN> I've not found out how to do that myself, would also be interested to know
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| 06:02 | <xwrs> nice :(
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| 06:25 | <ogra> zamba, as i said, follow the doc and use the alternate CD
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| 06:25 | zamba, server wont work
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| 06:26 | and the desktop CD has no LTSP packages, you need the alternate CD
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| 06:28 | <zamba> ogra: well, i can just install ubuntu first and then install the ltsp packages afterwards, right?
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| 06:28 | <ogra> indeed
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| 06:28 | you get the better and easier setup with the alternate CD though
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| 06:29 | <zamba> better how?
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| 06:29 | <ogra> it uses --copy-sourceslist by default, makes sure your dhcpd is configured properly etc
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| 06:29 | <zamba> oh, ok.. but my server isn't going to be running a dhcp
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| 06:29 | so that's fine
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| 06:29 | <ogra> right
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| 08:02 | <CAN-o-SPAM> stgraber: ping
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| 08:24 | <SkyRocknRoll> hi i used k12 linux
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| 08:24 | i am getting login screen
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| 08:25 | but not able to Login :(
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| 08:26 | mikkel: will u help me? :(
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| 08:27 | <_UsUrPeR_> SkyRocknRoll: Are you getting an error when you try to log on? what does /var/log/auth.log show when you try to log on from a client?
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| 08:27 | try a tail -f on /var/log/auth.log
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| 08:27 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: no the login just restarts :(
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| 08:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> SkyRocknRoll: and there's no shown login attempts on the server?
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| 08:29 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: i added the user and tried to login in the thin client after that it says verifying password and just login screen restarts
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> I would say your sshkeys need to be updated
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| 08:29 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: yes no login attempts
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> try this on the server: ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 08:29 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: is there any special protocol used for login in ltsp?
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| 08:31 | _UsUrPeR_: ok i will try it :)
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| 08:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> SkyRocknRoll: the protocol is ssh for logins
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| 08:31 | it sounds like the keys are not updated, so your server is not accepting the connection attempt from your client
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| 08:32 | which would cause the auth.log to not be updated
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| 08:32 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: thanks i will do that :)
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| 08:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> the denial message may show up in messages in /var/log (or syslog... I can't remember which log file fedora uses
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| 08:33 | )
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| 08:34 | <SkyRocknRoll> _UsUrPeR_: i think it is in /var/log/messages
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| 08:46 | <Mikaku> hi, I'm giving a try to k12ltsp for Fedora and there is something that confuses me
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| 08:46 | <Mikaku> I can see that dhcpd is running but chkconfig command says that dhcpd is off in all runlevels
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| 08:47 | who actually startted it?
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| 08:47 | *started
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| 09:37 | <stgraber> CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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| 10:15 | <Mikaku> forget it, I found it, it is actually ltsp-dhcpd
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| 11:28 | <ogra> stgraber, did you remove the dep on unionfs-fuse already ?
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| 11:28 | stgraber, if not, please do so before the freeze
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| 11:28 | (cjwatson poked me several times about it)
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| 11:50 | <garymc> Hi anyone know How I change the DHCP range of ip address's my LTSP server hands out?
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| 11:50 | My ltsp server ip add on network is 192.168.0.254
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| 11:50 | i wanted to change it to something like 10.0.1.254
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| 11:51 | <cnc> ok guys you know how the pxe clients negoiate ethernet and get an ip address during the tftp section, then they renegioate and get a new one
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| 11:51 | someone in here told me how to set it to where it just uses the first one it pulls from dhcp
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| 11:51 | garymc: sec let me look at my config file
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> cnc: IPAPPEND 3 in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:52 | <cnc> alkisg: you are the man
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:52 | (I just happen to use that in almost all my setups :))
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| 11:54 | <cnc> alkisg: and I put that after the "quiet splash" right?
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> cnc: no, in a new line at the end
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| 11:57 | <cnc> alkisg: thank you sir
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> Heh :) You're welcome
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| 12:00 | <cnc> so whats new in the ltsp world
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| 12:02 | <cnc> what in the world is going on
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| 12:02 | <cnc> out of no where 1/2 my pxe clients boot up, but then get a blank screen
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> cnc: you need to create a symlink to make the clients get lts.conf
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| 12:04 | sudo ln -s ltsp/i386/lts.conf /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf
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| 12:05 | That's due to the IPAPPEND 3 change, the init scripts can't locate lts.conf with that.
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| 12:05 | (sorry I forgot to tell you that)
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| 12:06 | <cnc> ln: creating symbolic link `/var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf': File exists
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> ??? you actually have a file there?
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| 12:06 | <cnc> alkisg: yes
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> Urm... why? :)
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| 12:07 | <cnc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2009-06-29 14:28 lts.conf -> ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:07 | alkisg: I told you i had used that setup before
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> Ah. So then locating lts.conf isn't the problem here.
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| 12:08 | <cnc> alkisg: the only thing that changed, was the client wanted me to update the chroot
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| 12:08 | so i deleted the chroot
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| 12:08 | rebuilt from scratch
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| 12:08 | followed the updating chroot directions
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| 12:09 | but my ubuntu server is also acting up
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| 12:09 | i can't ssh to it from my laptop but can from another server
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| 12:10 | do you update your chroot or just let it run asis?
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| 12:11 | <alkisg> I update my chroot, but I don't rebuild it unless a new distro version comes out
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| 12:11 | Anyway that's a bigger problem there, /me has to go back to developing a pygtk-based script for importing/exporting users from/to .csv files... Bbl.
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| 12:11 | <cnc> alkisg: thank you ttyl
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| 12:17 | <cnc> garymc: you still around
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| 12:30 | <cnc> \quit
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| 12:30 | \quit
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| 12:36 | <stgraber> ogra: uploaded
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| 12:40 | <garymc> cnc yeah im here
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| 12:40 | ahh hes gone
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| 12:40 | nevermind ill catch him 2morow
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| 13:00 | <ogra> stgraber, merci
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> stgraber: would probably be good to update ltsp's debian/copyright with current information ...
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| 13:07 | <korcan> anyone experience a delay when clicking dropdowns in firefox?
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| 13:08 | I found this, however I am having trouble getting it to resolve my problem... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> korcan: use stgraber's ppa, it has fixed packages there
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| 13:08 | <korcan> alkisg, how do I do that?
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| 13:09 | I am picking up where a coworker left off...
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> korcan: here it is: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa - but I'm a little busy right know, maybe someone else can explain more... bbl
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| 13:10 | <korcan> alkisg, thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> yw :)
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| 13:10 | (I hope you actually use ubuntu there :D)
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| 13:11 | <korcan> I do :) Server is 64bit, will that matter?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> I don't think so
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| 13:11 | Version?
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| 13:13 | <korcan> 9.04
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| 13:13 | Jaunty
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| 13:13 | which package do I want?
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| 13:13 | ltsp one? is it that obvious?
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| 13:13 | :)
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> korcan: you can add the whole ppa to your sources, it's supposed to be stable enough
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| 13:15 | You need the xlibs* package for the specific problem, but the ppa has newer ltsp versions that solves other problems as well
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| 13:15 | <korcan> will this fix the firefox issue?
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| 13:15 | ahh
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> The xlib* package will fix the firefox issue. (which is also a java issue and an sdl issue etc)
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| 13:15 | <korcan> will this fix slow typing too?
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| 13:16 | * alkisg really has to finish this app :( bbl... :( | |
| 13:18 | <korcan> alkisg, good luck, thanks for the help :)
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| 13:22 | <cnc> hi guys
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| 13:22 | in my lab, i have 30 pxe nodes
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| 13:23 | 1/2 of them boot normally
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| 13:23 | the other 1/2 boot normally and then stop right where rdesktop should start
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| 13:23 | so the screen is blank
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| 13:23 | but i can see that the ltsp client started
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| 13:31 | <cliebow> Good Afternoon! LtspLand
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| 13:32 | <cnc> cliebow: right back to you
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| 13:34 | <cliebow> 8~0
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| 13:34 | Countdown 39 days to ltsp-by-the-Sea!
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| 13:37 | <cnc> for those of you around, what distro do you guys think that ltsp runs the best on
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| 13:38 | ubuntu? debian? centOS?
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| 13:42 | <cliebow> cnc:afraid it depends on who you ask..probably the most advanced is ogra's on ubuntu?
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| 13:43 | ogra/gadi/tonsofothers
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav_> cnc: I'd say the latest Debian, Ubuntu, and Fedora are all "on par"
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| 13:49 | <cliebow> oh yes and of courtse sbalneav_
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| 14:01 | <muh2000> is there a way to speed up playback of videos?
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| 14:02 | <Lns> muh2000: localapps?
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| 14:03 | <muh2000> how is it possible?
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| 14:03 | <Lns> muh2000: because the ltsp devs rocks!
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| 14:03 | <muh2000> but i doubt that it would speed up much. it is a amd geode cpu
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| 14:04 | <Lns> muh2000: you probably don't want to be messing with video on a geode anyway.
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| 14:04 | o
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| 14:05 | <Lns> i'm on a geode right now and i'm frantically trying to get my other terminal working...heh...geodes probably work fine for a character-based terminal but it's hard to use them for anything graphically intensive
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| 14:05 | <muh2000> damn
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| 14:07 | <cnc> hey guys, have several nodes (all same model) that will boot right to the point where it would launch rdesktop but i just get a blank screen
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| 14:07 | what logs can I look at on there to troubleshoot?
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> cnc: sounds like wrong/bad video settings
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| 14:09 | cnc: get a shell on those clients (on a separate screen) and look a t their /var/log/Xorg*log file
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| 14:09 | <cnc> Gadi: ok looking at the log
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| 14:10 | <muh2000> i tried to use debian/squeeze on the geode but mouse and keyboard did not work :/ there is a newer geode drive on squeeze... :/
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| 14:10 | <cnc> the last thing, says xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbind key 0
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| 14:10 | Gadi: (II) intel(0): EDID VENDOR "GTW", prod id 5517
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| 14:11 | Gadi: (II) intel(0): xf86UnbindGARTMemory: unbkind key 0
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> cnc: thats just informational. can you pastebot the log?
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 14:11 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:12 | <cnc> Gadi: you want me to type the whole thing?
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> no
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| 14:12 | scp /var/log/Xorg*log user@server:
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| 14:12 | in other words, copy it to the server, then open it and copy/paste
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| 14:13 | <cnc> Gadi: where would that command put it on the server
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> in your home directory (obviously substitute "user" with your username
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| 14:15 | <cnc> Gadi: ok did that but not in home directory
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> did you forget the colon?
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| 14:15 | <cnc> Gadi: yes lol
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> most common error
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| 14:15 | :)
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| 14:16 | you could follow the colon with a path
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| 14:16 | its just the colon without anything puts it in the home dir
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| 14:20 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "X.Org X Server 1.6.0 Release D" (449 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/503
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| 14:20 | <cnc> Gadi: there is my xorg log
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> cnc: try setting: XRANDR_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 14:23 | perhaps those monitors don't like being driven at 1280x1024
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| 14:24 | <cnc> Gadi: k, should i take out this too X_MODE_0 = 1024x768\
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> well, what settings do you currently have?
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| 14:25 | <cnc> Gadi: all very basic, rdesktop and then that video settings
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> right - what video settings
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| 14:25 | <cnc> I'll pastebot
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| 14:25 | <ltsppbot> "cnc" pasted "[default] RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/504
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| 14:26 | "cnc" pasted "[default] RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/505
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 14:26 | <cnc> 1st one was it orginally
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| 14:26 | 2nd one is after the change
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| 14:26 | Gadi: no improvement, still blank screen
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> try setting:
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| 14:27 | X_VERTREFRESH = 55-90
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| 14:28 | X_HORZSYNC = 30-120
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| 14:28 | <cnc> Gadi: leave the XRANDR settings?
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> sure
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| 14:30 | <cnc> Gadi: black screen still
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| 14:31 | <cnc> Gadi: whats weird, is that all 14 of these stations, worked fine last week
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> hmm... what changed?
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| 14:32 | <cnc> Gadi: there was a network issue, with a windows cluster that got resolved by switching from multicast to unicast
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| 14:32 | Gadi: but that shouldn't have any effect
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| 14:32 | Gadi: because the other 20+ boxes like this work just fine
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| 14:32 | <Gadi> hmm, ok maybe the display settings aren't the issue
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| 14:33 | <cnc> Gadi: rdesktop?
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> well, try this
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| 14:33 | from the shell of the thin client, type:
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| 14:33 | nc -v -n -z -w 1 <windows server IP> 3389
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| 14:34 | <cnc> connection timed out
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| 14:34 | <Gadi> yup - network issue
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| 14:34 | 3389 is the RDP port
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| 14:35 | <Gadi> something (maybe the switch?) is limiting the number of connections over that port
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| 14:35 | or, maybe the terminal server is not responding to them
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| 14:36 | <cnc> Gadi: not sure, i'll check it out ty and i'm writing that command down!
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> $ nc -v -n -z -w 1 192.168.1.13 3389
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| 14:36 | (UNKNOWN) [192.168.1.13] 3389 (?) open
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| 14:36 | that's what you should see
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| 14:36 | if it is open
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> cnc: also, check the routing from the thin client in general
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| 14:37 | <muh2000> who was the ltsp dev that maintains the debian stuff?
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> muh2000: vagrantc
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| 14:38 | <cnc> Gadi: whats weird is that I can unplug 1 client that works, plug that cat5 cable from the one that does work into the one that doesn't, and bam still doesn't work
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> still is 8~)
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| 14:39 | <cnc> Gadi: possible that the ltsp server is having the issue?
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> could be
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| 14:40 | any freaky routing going on?
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| 14:40 | <muh2000> and lulz and old pentium-2 with 350 mhz and a geforce2mx has nearly no issues doing playback of videos :/
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> any DOS attack monitors or anything?
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| 14:40 | <cnc> Gadi: I rebooted it last night, failed to reboot, rebooted it this morning again and came up fine, then I wasn't able to ssh into it
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| 14:41 | Gadi: it only has 50mb of memory left....hmmmm
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| 14:41 | <muh2000> thnx
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| 14:42 | <cnc> Gadi: i'll look around at the network, ty
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> cnc: Im thinking either gremlins or pixies
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| 14:42 | just be careful which you kiss and which you feed
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| 14:43 | <muh2000> vagrantc: are you there? when i try to use debian/squeeze the mouse and keyboard arent working anymore. any guesses what i could have missed?
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> muh2000: possibly changes to keyboard/mouse handling. i think my last squeeze install was successful, though it was so broken it was impossible to test for a while.
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| 14:46 | muh2000: try sid?
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| 14:47 | <muh2000> vagrantc: i see. i think there was something with hald or somesort to change the way a keyboard is used.
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| 14:47 | i will try SID.
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> muh2000: yes.
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| 14:49 | muh2000: yes, i tested the changes and they should be working in sid.
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| 14:49 | <muh2000> ok :)
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> muh2000: although sometimes the mouse and keyboard don't work as soon as ldm comes up, but in my tests, usually shortly after.
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| 14:50 | muh2000: so there's sometimes a brief window where it doesn't work
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| 14:50 | <muh2000> vagrantc: ok i will keep that in mind :)
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| 14:50 | <egaudet> I am running ubuntu, and trying to boot an ltsp client. I am pxe booting the client. On my ubuntu server I ran ltsp-build-client, and set my tftpd root to /opt/ltsp/i386/boot. The client loads the kernel and initrd image, I get the ubuntu splash screen and then it drops to (initramfs)
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| 14:52 | <egaudet> the client is giving me errors mounting, shows rootpath:
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| 14:52 | "Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init"
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> egaudet: from the initramfs, run /sbin/ifconfig
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| 14:54 | is eth0 up?
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| 14:54 | <egaudet> yep
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| 14:54 | I think I may have to set rootpath no?
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> "set my tftpd root to /opt/ltsp/i386/boot" ???
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| 14:54 | <egaudet> The client prints out information giving me rootserver: <serverip> rootpath:
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| 14:55 | is that the chroot?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> The usual tftp root is /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 14:55 | <egaudet> should it be /opt/ltsp/i386 instead? and set my bootfile to boot/pxelinux.0
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> And the files are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 14:56 | Why did you have to change anything related to tftp? Didn't it work fine out of the box?
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| 14:56 | * vagrantc long-ago proposed using /boot directly. | |
| 14:56 | <vagrantc> er, /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
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| 14:57 | saves having to do ltsp-update-kernels ever
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| 14:57 | <egaudet> I've been doing a lot of messing around to get my client pxe booting, the xinetd.d/tftp file doesn't get updated automatically by anything i've installed
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> vagrantc: isn't there some standard that specifies a common tftp location?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> egaudet: xinetd isn't really supported by ubuntu
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| 14:57 | <egaudet> what should I use instead vagrantc?
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| 14:58 | But the tftpd works fine
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| 14:58 | I think it's a problem with the default pxelinux.cfg/default file, shouldn't that set my rootpath to /opt/ltsp/i386 somewhere?
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> rootpath isn't used in ubuntu by default
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| 14:58 | It's only used if you use nfs
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| 14:58 | <johnny> if its ubuntu, it uses /etc/inetd.conf
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| 14:59 | <egaudet> Do need to use nfs? How is the client getting it's files from the server
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> With nbd
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| 15:00 | <muh2000> how important are fuse-utils, sshfs and ltsp-client? they fail when i try to install debian/sid
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah, that's the downside.
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| 15:01 | egaudet: if you really know what you're doing, you could probably get xinetd to work, but it's not the default that most ubuntu ltsp developers are familiar with, so it may be harder to help you.
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| 15:01 | NBD
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| 15:01 | muh2000: they're needed to support local apps
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| 15:01 | muh2000: you could try with --early-packages ltsp-client-core ltspfsd ldm
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| 15:01 | sorry...
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| 15:01 | muh2000: you could try with --early-packages "ltsp-client-core ltspfsd ldm"
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| 15:01 | <egaudet> ok, so basically I NEED the /etc/inetd.conf stuff
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| 15:02 | that ltsp-build-client set up
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| 15:02 | <muh2000> vagrantc: ok, i will try.
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| 15:03 | <egaudet> How do I use inetd in ubuntu? Where is it supposed to be located
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> egaudet: it should "just work"
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| 15:03 | <egaudet> so if I just apt-get remove xinetd, i should be operational with inetd
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> egaudet: whether you use inetd or xinetd, tftpd should have: -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> it should have /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/* with all the files referenced ... your dhcp server should probably be configured in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> and dhcpd.conf should have filenames like: /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 15:04 | <egaudet> I'm using tomato/linksys for dhcp server
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> egaudet: did you set up the filename parameter?
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| 15:05 | <johnny> test 1, reply
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| 15:05 | hmm.. wtf
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| 15:05 | <egaudet> yes, i get the pxelinux.0 fine
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| 15:05 | but I'm going to try to switch to inetd from xinetd right now
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| 15:08 | <egaudet> how do i start inetd?
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| 15:09 | <johnny> let's try again..
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| 15:09 | test1
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> egaudet: you should also add to the pxelinux.cfg/default file, as a kernel argument: nbdroot=<ltsp-server-ip>:2000
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| 15:09 | <johnny> weird
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| 15:09 | /me test
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| 15:09 | ah.. yay
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> johnny: need any feedback?
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| 15:10 | <johnny> alkisg, not anymore.. i think it works
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| 15:10 | mostly.. it still doesn't save nickserv pass tho i think
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| 15:10 | <egaudet> My client laptop cannot boot anything except pxe
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| 15:10 | I think the MBR got messed up
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| 15:11 | I know I am going through loops but my end goal is to pxe boot ltsp ubuntu client so that I can burn an XP cd, since the messed up laptop is the only computer with a working cdrw i have right now
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| 15:11 | <johnny> ok.. here goes
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| 15:11 | <egaudet> now I don't know how to get inetd to work
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> egaudet: you can netboot the ubuntu live cd
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| 15:11 | It'll be easier to burn a cd with it
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| 15:12 | You can also boot knoppix or some other distro directly from the cd, and remove the cd to burn another one
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| 15:12 | <johnny> one more try..
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| 15:12 | <egaudet> alkisg I tried that, and got as far as mounting rootfs
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> (or debian or whatever...)
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| 15:13 | egaudet: you tried to netboot the ubuntu live cd? Or with the cd directly?
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| 15:13 | <egaudet> I have no cd's at the house so it has to be pxeboot
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| 15:13 | <egaudet> alkisg, tried to pxeboot a kubuntu live cd
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot
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| 15:13 | <johnny> ah.. it might actually work now
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| 15:13 | awesome.. now i can finally autologin to ltsp again
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| 15:13 | <egaudet> I think my problem there was with nfs, i got up to nfs mounting but it just stayed there during boot
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> muh2000: it looks like the newer xserver-xorg related packages recently migrated to squeeze ... so maybe the other stuff that uses hald hasn't yet.
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| 15:14 | <muh2000> vagrantc: ok, the install of SID was successful. but it does not start a X.
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| 15:14 | <egaudet> I'll try that again, but in the mean time, where on earth is inetd?
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| 15:14 | <muh2000> vagrantc: ok
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> egaudet: the package is: openbsd-inetd
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| 15:14 | <egaudet> oooh
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> muh2000: i'll try both a squeeze and sid install myself now.
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| 15:15 | <egaudet> thanks Gadi
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> np
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| 15:15 | <muh2000> hmm i am getting on ctrl+alt+F7 "connection refused.
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| 15:15 | "
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| 15:17 | * alkisg wonders how easy is to burn a cd with an ltsp client... | |
| 15:18 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i know some folks make bootable USB sticks, can't be that hard to make a CD
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no I didn't say that correctly, I meant to burn a cd while sitting and using an ltsp client
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| 15:19 | E.g. a windows XP CD, like egaudet wants to burn...
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> apt-get install xcdroast
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| 15:19 | :)
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> As a localapp?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> sounds good
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| 15:20 | <egaudet> I got into this mess by trying to boot ubuntu live from usb on this dell laptop
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> And burning works fine with localdevs etc?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> no - just localapps
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| 15:20 | <egaudet> it failed to boot from usb, saying it couldn't find bootloader, and then after a reboot it hangs on "loading drkm 8.00..." which I read was most likely an MBR issue
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Wasn't there a problem with localdevs... what was it, audio CDs?
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:21 | thats localdevs
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| 15:21 | not localapps
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> I thought burning also involved localdevs
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| 15:21 | Ah, ok. Thanks Gadi, vagrantc :)
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| 15:21 | <johnny> ok.. time to try to break it
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> burning requires access to the raw device, as do audio cds
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| 15:22 | <johnny> ok.. guess not..
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> only a local app can access the raw device
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> So audio cd playback is also possible with localapps, right?
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| 15:23 | <Gadi> where have all the good local computer parts stores gone?
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| 15:23 | * Gadi thinks he needs to order a DVI-I cable online :P | |
| 15:24 | <Gadi> alkisg: sure
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 15:24 | <Lns> Gadi: they've all got sucked into the abyss by the best buys and frys of the world!
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| 15:24 | <johnny> and then newegg
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> or you can just have the cdburning/ripping software as a local app and have people rip their CDs to mp3s
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i see boxes of hundreds nearly every day
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| 15:25 | <johnny> we still have a local computer store close by in baltimore
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| 15:25 | but they are very disorganized, and very expesnive
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> vagrantc: DVI-I or DVI-D?
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> Gadi: like i can keep up!
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> I have a bunch of DVI-D :P
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| 15:25 | <johnny> their floor is just scattered.. it's impossible
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| 15:26 | <Gadi> east coast needs a Fry's
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| 15:26 | Fry's is on a whole other level than bestbuy
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| 15:27 | <johnny> bestbuy is lame
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> what they lack in quantity, they make up for in volume!
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| 15:28 | <johnny> i never go there
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> i always just go to freegeek for all my computer needs
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| 15:28 | * vagrantc jiggers with the power supply on vagrantc's laptop | |
| 15:28 | <johnny> lol
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| 15:28 | i could use a new laptop :)
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| 15:29 | let me know if yo uget something better than 1.5ghz ::)
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| 15:29 | for the thrift store
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> johnny: you pretty much have to be there within an hour of it hitting the floor to get a laptop at freegeek
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> how sad is it that I just searched Staples
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| 15:29 | :P
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| 15:29 | <johnny> vagrantc, yeah.. i imagine so
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> johnny: more likely within 15 minutes
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| 15:29 | johnny: but they do have them
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| 15:29 | <johnny> well.. are they within the that sec? or higher ?
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| 15:29 | or lower?
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| 15:30 | i'll have my insiders get it :)
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> johnny: seen dual-core 64 bit laptops come through
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| 15:30 | <johnny> ah swell
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| 15:30 | but how much do they go for?
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> I don;t believe it!
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> well below market value
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> Office Depot
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| 15:30 | lol
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| 15:30 | of all places
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| 15:30 | <johnny> office depot is also expensive.. but they've had a few things i've needed on the spot
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> this is a sad commentary
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| 15:32 | * vagrantc envisions Gadi taking up the cause of good local computer shops | |
| 15:33 | <johnny> i've yet to go to a local computer shop that was any good
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> hehe - well, at least I can run in on my way home and have it in my hot little hands
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> muh2000: i did notice that i required to switch to 2MB of video ram with the newer X.org
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| 15:33 | previously i could get 800x600 with 1MB of video ram
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> $19 aint bad for this cable either
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| 15:35 | actually, $11 for the 10'
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| 15:35 | even better
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> muh2000: i can confirm your problem with squeeze and mouse/keyboard not working.
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| 15:36 | <muh2000> :)
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| 15:36 | vagrantc: do you mean that option? "X_VIDEO_RAM" i have 256mbyte ram available for the complete system.
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> muh2000: no, i mean the thin-client's physical ram. except i use virtual thin clients ... so physical is a bit... not physical. :)
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| 15:37 | video ram.
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| 15:37 | <muh2000> but i dont know why there is no X on debian/sid. lenny and squeeze started a X.
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| 15:38 | <bieb> CAN-o-SPAM: you around?
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| 15:38 | Gadi: how was your weekend?
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> bieb: not too shabby
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| 15:40 | <bieb> thats good
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| 15:41 | <muh2000> vagrantc: well i have a littlebit more than 1mbyte for vga. it is set to 32 now.
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> alrighty, off to officedepot for a cable! /me shakes his head
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| 15:41 | * vagrantc begins testing sid | |
| 15:41 | <vagrantc> muh2000: my guess is squeeze doesn't have the new init script re-ordering stuff, and maybe hald isn't even starting.
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| 15:41 | <muh2000> hmmm
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| 15:42 | <johnny> will debian use upstart too?
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| 15:50 | <johnny> yay.. autologin works..
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> muh2000: sid works fine for me...
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| 16:00 | <muh2000> :/
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| 16:00 | it only does not start an X server :(
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| 16:00 | it says somewhere connection refused
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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| 16:22 | <muh2000> vagrantc: can you help me finding out why the X is not starting?
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| 16:30 | <egaudet> so I am pxebooting an ubuntu live cd, but there's not enough space locally to hold the iso to burn
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| 16:30 | <muh2000> what runs on port 9571 ?
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| 16:32 | <muh2000> or what is supposed to run on port 9571? the LTSP client tries to connect to that port but says "connection refused"
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> grep 9571 /etc/inetd.conf
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> muh2000: it's ldminfod ...
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| 16:35 | muh2000: but that shouldn't stop it from running.
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| 16:36 | muh2000: it's the same server that works with squeeze, other than the broken keyboard, right?
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| 16:36 | <muh2000> vagrantc: correct
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> muh2000: so that's not really the problem; it's a red herring.
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| 16:37 | <muh2000> i see
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| 16:39 | <muh2000> anyway ldminfod wasnt running. i started it now error gone, X still not starting. damn these red herrings.....
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| 16:55 | <muh2000> i dont get it.
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| 16:56 | it doesnt even try to load an X
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| 16:56 | no blanking what so ever. straight to the console.
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| 16:58 | when i logon and type "X" it says that the module amd or geode does not exist.
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| 18:00 | <ftherese> why does the local media not always mount... in fact now it does not mount again... from within localapps?
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| 18:01 | I had been using the patch that was recommended for jaunty
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| 18:02 | And today, or recently at least, they no longer recommend the creation of script files, there are just a couple of rc.d scripts that are downloaded for local-apps-addons
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| 18:02 | but now my localapps have access to the "real home" but not to local media... that is really hard to live with
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| 18:02 | I looked through the script that is supposed to do the mounting, but I can't figure out why it doesn't work
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| 18:03 | <ftherese> there is definately a part in it that talks about mounting local media
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| 18:04 | <ftherese> and as it uses essentially the same LDM variables, I can only assume the values were still valid for the socket and such
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| 18:05 | is there something the "old" patching method did to get the local media working that this new method has left out?
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| 21:44 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 21:54 | <jammcq> i'm back
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| 22:29 | <alkisg> In https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc the following line is used to copy the ssh keys to other machines on the network:
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| 22:29 | scp -r /etc/italc/keys USER@server2:/etc/italc/
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| 22:29 | Does that really work?
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| 22:29 | (1) It would need root access to the local machine, so "sudo scp" would be needed (the files have mode = 440)
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| 22:29 | (2) USER on server2 would need to have write access to /etc - so it would have to be root. But the root account is locked on Ubuntu.
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| 22:29 | (3) Scp doesn't preserver the ownership, does it? (the files are owned by root:admin)
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| 22:29 | So how could one copy files with mode = 440 and ownership = root:admin over the network, with the root account locked?
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