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Channel log from 11 December 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> If I'm reading this correctly, in the future it'll be extremely easy to boot an LTSP chroot via a VM, for easy maintenance: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VirtIO-FS-Folder-Sharing-VM
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| 14:15 | <||cw> neat
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| 14:44 | <||cw> hm. it says it uses fuse, but it's not clear if that's a layer on top of normal files, or its own fuse fs, though i guess the chroot could live on fuse too
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| 15:59 | * alkisg wonders if that's already possible using virtio-9p: https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/9p_virtio | |
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| 19:43 | <||cw> it seems to be, but performance lack. might be fine for the occasional edit where chroot won't do
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| 20:46 | <danboid> Is anyone here running LTSP on AWS or has any tales regarding such?
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| 20:49 | I would presume there are no issues with hosting an LTSP server on AWS, provided it is of a suffiecient spec to meet the load
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| 20:50 | <||cw> danboid: I guess it's technically possible, you'll need a stupid fast internet connection to make it usable. the network is usually the weak link
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| 20:50 | even 100Mbit is on the slow site for all but the most basic usage
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| 20:51 | site/side/
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| 20:52 | <danboid> Of course. I've not tried LTSP on 100Mb yet. We'll be using fat clients
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| 20:53 | <highvoltage> so... you'll just be using AWS as storage essentially
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| 20:56 | <danboid> None of you have ever tried integrating LTSP with AWS or similar? Have you heard of anyone doing so with success?
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| 20:58 | <alkisg> danboid: the ltsp server for fat clientsmostly needs bandwidth, not cpu. Better to use a pentium 4 with a gigabit nic, than a remote monster server
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| 21:01 | So personally I wouldn't even waste time testing that "remote fat client server" scenario
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| 21:01 | <highvoltage> danboid: it's an odd fit and you'd still need a local dhcp server
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| 21:01 | danboid: so the question then becomes "what's the point"
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> !local-boot
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| 21:01 | <ltsp> local-boot: If you want LTSP fat clients on a low-speed network, you can put i386.img on e.g. C:\Boot\LTSP\i386.img and use this command line in pxelinux.cfg: APPEND ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img init=/sbin/init-ltsp root=/dev/sda1 rootflags=ro loop=/Boot/LTSP/i386.img; IPAPPEND 3
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| 21:01 | <highvoltage> AWS is horrible typically on di/o bandwidth anyway
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| 21:01 | <alkisg> This ^ could make things a bit better for remote servers... but still yeah, what's the point
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| 21:03 | <danboid> It's something I've been asked to consider / look into as a possibility. I'm struggling to see any benefit in using AWS or similar at all myself
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> Are you currently using ltsp? (the persons that asked you to look into this)
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| 21:04 | <danboid> Yes, 16.04 fat clients and its generally running great, except power off doesn't work
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| 21:04 | they reboot instead
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| 21:04 | <alkisg> Yeah that broke later on by systemd updates, but I've only fixed it in 18.04
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| 21:05 | <danboid> Ah right! Good to hear its fixed in 18.04
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| 21:05 | <alkisg> And why are they looking to change to a remote server, any ideas there?
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| 21:06 | <danboid> Its part of a 'cloud first' strategy
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| 21:06 | <highvoltage> lol well it's their funeral.
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| 21:06 | <danboid> In some areas it doesn't make sense and I think LTSP is one
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> I don't think cloud works well yet for remote booting, remote gaming, remote desktop (well slow remote desktop works)
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| 21:08 | <danboid> Totally agree
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| 21:11 | Thanks for your thoughts. It's pretty much exactly what I thought you'd say
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| 21:14 | Have there been any big-ish deployments of 18.04 LTSP yet?
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| 21:14 | Is it deemed stable yet?
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| 21:18 | <alkisg> danboid: http://www.ltsp.org/stories/widget-map/?location=Greece
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| 21:19 | Personally I think it's much more stable than 18.04, since I support it in hundreds of schools, while we stopped supporting 16.04 there
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| 21:19 | <danboid> Much more stable than 16.04
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| 21:20 | Sounds promising
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| 21:20 | <alkisg> (regarding ltsp, that is; for individual apps like gcompris or whatever, your milage may vary)
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| 21:24 | <danboid> I wrote a script that detects the GPU of the LTSP clients and disables the non-free NVIDIA driver so we can get accelerated gfx on all machines with one LTSP image. Will my script not be required in 18.04?
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| 21:25 | <alkisg> This is a question for #ubuntu-x; but afaik, nvidia drivers can now peacefully coexist with xorg drivers, so I imagine that yes, your script won't be needed
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| 21:26 | It's close to midnight here though, /me waves, until tomorrow... :)
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| 21:26 | <danboid> Good night! Thanks!
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