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Channel log from 22 September 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:58 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:14 | <muppis> I've asked before this, but already forgot it.. Need to add driver for touchscreen and settings for X. Is all done under chroot?
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| 02:25 | OKey.. Hmm.. Damn teachers.
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| 06:42 | <muppis> How to set local printer as default?
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| 06:42 | Shared via server.
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| 07:21 | <Appiah> muppis: what else is default?
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| 07:44 | <elias_a> muppis: Back to yesterdays question....
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| 07:45 | muppis: Are you really able to open PDF files directly from a browser that is being run as local app?
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| 07:47 | I do not have an LTSP server here but from what I've read about this issue it seems to be the case that no software is able to open a PDF directly from the browser if the browser is run as a local application.
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| 07:52 | <Appiah> if you have a pdf viewer as a local app it should not be a problem?
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| 08:05 | <elias_a> Appiah: AFAIK it is a problem.
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| 08:06 | Appiah: No - wait. It should work...
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| 08:06 | http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=127561903232468&w=2
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> well one solution is not to open pdfs
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| 08:16 | but to save them to homedir
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> and then open on the server ^^
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| 10:18 | <mnemoc> hi, where does the tftp server log?
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| 10:18 | in ubuntu 10.04 ltsp
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> mnemoc: syslog
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| 10:20 | mnemoc: you may want to add: -vvv
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| 10:20 | mnemoc: to the command in inetd.conf
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| 10:20 | to get more logging
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| 10:20 | <mnemoc> thanks for the hint, i was only using one -v
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| 10:20 | but i see no trace of it...
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> did you restart inetd?
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| 10:21 | <mnemoc> uhm... mine is stand alone.. /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> that's the problem
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| 10:21 | :)
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| 10:22 | check inetd.conf
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| 10:22 | <mnemoc> it wasn't me... it was automatically installed that way
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> ah - well, do you not have an inetd.conf entry for it as well?
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| 10:22 | <mnemoc> ldminfod and nbd* only
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> most likely the init script is not used
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| 10:23 | <mnemoc> i'll make it use inetd then
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 10:23 | or in your case: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot -vvv
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| 10:24 | <mnemoc> weee... now i see the NAKs :)
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| 10:24 | thanks! :)
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| 10:24 | <Gadi> np
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| 10:26 | <mnemoc> btw, do you know any good-for-ltsp and cheap thin client unit? (not refurbished pcs, but very small cute boxes)
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| 10:27 | most i have seen make you "inquire"... but i wont inquire if it costs US$500+ per unit like HP's
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| 10:29 | and in aliexpress or ebay i didn't find any pxe-capable :(
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| 10:31 | <ogra> look, a Gadi !
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> mnemoc: Our company only sells thin client units as accessories to our boot products. If you are looking for just thin client units, you chould check out DisklessWorkstations.com or talk to _UsUrPeR_
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| 10:33 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> ogra: !!!
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| 10:36 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:36 | <mnemoc> _UsUrPeR_: url? :)
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| 10:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> http://www.disklessworkstations.com
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| 10:38 | <mnemoc> ah, ok
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| 10:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> any questions about the units, post in here or PM me
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| 10:39 | <mnemoc> initially i understood that site and you were two different options :)
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| 10:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> nope, we are one-and-the-same
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| 11:24 | <Kyle__> Gadi: I mean no offense whatsoever here, but I look at that page, and all I can think is, the cheapest is still over $250. What's the advantage there to going with those vs buying a cheapo pc and using it as a thin-client?
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| 11:25 | As someone whos actually thought about buying them for both work and home.
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| 11:25 | <RicardoPerez> hi! i've a little problem. my ltsp fat clients are unable to mount their local hard disks. when i click on Places->hard disk, a dialog appears asking me for the root's password
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| 11:26 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: You need to mount the local HD in the setup scripts.
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| 11:26 | <RicardoPerez> the ltsp client user is already member of plugdev, cdrom and fuse groups
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| 11:26 | Kyle__: may I mount it hacking the setup scripts by hand?
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| 11:27 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: Yes, if you included a user on the fat-client image.
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| 11:27 | RicardoPerez: I made a localadmin user inside my fat-client image, with sudo access of course. If you did something like that, you should be able to.
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| 11:28 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: thank you... Is there a way to have any user able to access to the local hard disk?
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| 11:28 | I mean my students
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| 11:29 | so when the students log into the ltsp fat client, they could access to the local hard disk
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| 11:29 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: Yes, I think there is. I have VMs on the local hd, and my users can access them. But that partition is mounted by my starts scripts.
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| 11:29 | * Kyle__ nods | |
| 11:30 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: great, that's what I would like to achieve
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> Kyle__: first, I have no affiliation with them, so address your pricing concerns to _UsUrPeR_ :)
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| 11:30 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: could you please tell me what start scripts I need to hack?
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| 11:30 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: are you running any scripts via RCFILE in your lts.conf?
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| 11:30 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his had again | |
| 11:30 | <Kyle__> Gadi: Ah, I mis-read, I thought that was the co you worked for, not _UsUrPeR_
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| 11:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
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| 11:31 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: no, i don't. I only have a LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
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| 11:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> how can I help? :)
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| 11:31 | <RicardoPerez> but doesn't work
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| 11:31 | <Kyle__> OK, same Q to _UsUrPeR_: what's the advantage to that vs a cheapo nettop thats about ~200?
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| 11:31 | * _UsUrPeR_ reads above | |
| 11:31 | <Gadi> Kyle__: second, I will say that built into that price is thorough testing of the product to work with LTSP, as well as support for an LTSP small business that supports the community, as well as a company to scream at when things go wrong
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| 11:31 | Kyle__: anyone can build their own anything
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| 11:31 | :)
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| 11:32 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: edit /etc/rc.local to mount that drive, and then in lts.conf, put in a line RCFILE_01=/etc/rc.local
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| 11:32 | RicardoPerez: Then it's done.
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| 11:32 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: great, i'll try it
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| 11:32 | Kyle__: thank you very much!
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| 11:32 | Kyle__: i wonder why the LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False doesn't work
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| 11:32 | ...
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| 11:33 | <Kyle__> Gadi: That's a fair argument. I'm asking since I've seen thin-clients before and wondered that. But I haven't had someone affiliated with one of those companies to poke with the question before!
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| 11:33 | RicardoPerez: I dunno. But hang around the channel, someone who knows may show up!
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> RicardoPerez: the ltspfs localdev system is not used with fat clients, afaik
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| 11:33 | RicardoPerez: and that parameter only affects the ltspfs system
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| 11:33 | <RicardoPerez> Gadi: oh, what a pity!
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| 11:34 | <Kyle__> RicardoPerez: Mention it to alkisg when he wakes up.
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| 11:34 | <RicardoPerez> so the only way to achieve it is to use the startup scripts, ok
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| 11:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> Kyle__ Couple other points aside from what Gadi said ... No fans, no moving parts, long shelf life, small form factor, etc ... Either way, people have been purchasing them for over 10 years. In respect to the channel, we should move this conversation elsewhere
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| 11:34 | * alkisg is awake! It's afternoon here :D | |
| 11:34 | <Kyle__> Ahhah!
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| 11:34 | <RicardoPerez> Kyle__: ok, i'll do it :)
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| 11:34 | * alkisg reads up... | |
| 11:34 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, hi, good afternoon :)
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> Hi RicardoPerez, the local hard disks are accessed as if you had a local installation,
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| 11:35 | <Kyle__> _UsUrPeR_: No problem. Like I said, I've always wondered that, so I figured I'd hit someone affiliated with those with that question :)
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| 11:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> Kyle__ Could you contact us at sales@disklessworkstations.com or PM me? We'll get all your questions answered.
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> that is, members of the "admin" group can mount them automatically,
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| 11:35 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, hi, my ltsp clients are fat ltsp clients with windows & ubuntu installed in their respective partitions
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| 11:36 | alkisg, so a user belonging to the admin group could mount any local partition, right?
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: but users not in the admin group would have to provide an admin username/password, and passwords are not there on the thin clients, so no authentication can occur
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| 11:36 | Right
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| 11:36 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, great! however, a user belonging to the admin group is an administrator...
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| 11:37 | alkisg, could it be a problem with the sudo command?
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> sudo needs authentication, which again can't be done out of the box on fat clients
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| 11:37 | RicardoPerez: you can customize this behavior by editing your policykit settings
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| 11:37 | E.g. you could allow any user to mount/unmount disks...
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| 11:37 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, however, the user could log into the ltsp server and it has admin privilegies...
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| 11:38 | alkisg, oh, the policykit thing sounds good...
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| 11:38 | alkisg, do you know where may I need to touch?
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| 11:38 | (sorry about my horrible English)
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> Np mine are not better either :D
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| 11:38 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg :D
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> /etc/polkit-1/something in the chroot
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| 11:39 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, mmm great!
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| 11:40 | I'll look at it
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| 11:41 | maybe the rc.local tip could be a faster & easier way :)
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> About the localdev stuff, as fat clients do not use ltfpfs, it doesn't work. Maybe it should...
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| 11:44 | * alkisg checks if he put in any way to automatically mount the local disks for fat clients... | |
| 11:45 | <RicardoPerez> mmmm great, thanks :)
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> Nope, only for unmounting any disks mounted by the previous admin user on logoff.
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| 11:47 | <RicardoPerez> well, i'll try with the policykit way. thank you very much, Kyle__, Gadi & alkisg! :)
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Gadi, what do you think? LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False should mount the local disks on fat clients?
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| 11:47 | <Gadi> alkisg: I thought you disabled LOCALDEV for fat clients
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: if you can't find it, ping me, I've done it before.
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| 11:48 | Gadi: yes, I mean mount them in fstab
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| 11:48 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: +1 :)
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:48 | well, it kinda mixes systems
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| 11:48 | because it is weird to say LOCALDEV=Fasle, but.... LOCALDEV_BLAH still does something
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> Right... still, what RicardoPerez asks isn't a rare use case... I think we should make it easier for him...
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| 11:49 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: if you did it before, please look at :)
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| 11:49 | <Gadi> yeah, but fat clients are full of things you have to do special
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| 11:49 | and in a fat client kind of way
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> So we leave it up to polkit, and just document it in a wiki?
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| 11:49 | <RicardoPerez> i need to go, thank you, bye!
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> Bye
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> yeah, I think document it
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> OK, ty
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> because it is something that a user of a regular Linux PC might ask, too
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> Righ
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| 11:50 | t
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| 11:50 | <Gadi> and it would be done in the same way
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| 11:50 | which prolly means it is already documented... somewhere
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| 11:50 | :)
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| 11:51 | I guess the only twist is that our fat clients are single-image
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| 11:51 | and you may want that behavior only on selected clients
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> It is, but the ubuntu wiki is a chaos due to the polkit => polkit-1 upgrade :(
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| 11:52 | <Gadi> that's a general Linux problem - everybody keeps changing the subsystems
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| 11:52 | :)
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Polkit only allows per-user customization unfortunately...
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| 11:52 | (or per-group)
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| 11:53 | <Gadi> yeah - why they can't just copy windows group policy structure is beyond me
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| 11:53 | :)
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| 11:53 | damn stubborn Linux devs
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> :D
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| 14:11 | <RicardoPerez> anybody knows if there's a precompiled iTALC 1.0.11 Ubuntu package?
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> I don't think so
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| 14:17 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: actually, 1.0.9 shipped with Lucid works OK for me
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Nice, it almost always hangs for me :)
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| 14:18 | <RicardoPerez> alexqwesa: :D
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| 14:18 | alkisg: sorry :D
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> E.g. if I try to broadcast my screen 2-3 times, at the end of the teaching hour I only have 2-3 PCs left, the others are either locked up or just ignore the broadcasting :)
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| 14:19 | <RicardoPerez> oh, I didn't try broadcasting yet... I'll take a look and i'll see if I can reproduce your issue
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| 14:19 | 1.0.11 seems to be some improvements and bugfixing... maybe it worth a try
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| 14:20 | is there any way to "auto-reorganize" the client's screens on the italc-master?
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| 14:21 | sometimes I have many tiny windows over other tiny windows and reorganize them it's a pain...
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> There's a button to automatically reorganize the clients
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| 14:25 | In the toolbar
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| 14:26 | I've had that issue in 4 out of 5 labs, and for many italc versions, so I just stopped using it..
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| 14:50 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: I have very little user experience with iTALC... by now, it works well for me, but I only use it for look at the client's screens and not much more... Is there any iTALC alternative?
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> No, I had to make my own, but it's not available for international use yet.
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| 14:51 | There's controlaula which is worse than italc :)
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| 14:51 | <markit> hi alkisg :) (no questions tonight)
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| 14:51 | alkisg: oh, italc, you are provoking me, lol
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| 14:51 | <alkisg> Hi markit, heh, nice, time for me to rest :D
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| 14:52 | <markit> hehehe
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| 14:52 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: mmm... controlaula seems to be an Spanish project (from the Linex team, I think)
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| 14:52 | <markit> I've some work problems to solve (Zimbra installation), I have to go back to school's server asap, but can't tonight
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| 14:53 | RicardoPerez: I have the problem of having something like italc, but working
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> I hope italc 2.0 is sometime published, I think the way he's going to reimplement it will also make it more stable
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| 14:54 | <markit> I will try, as soon as I have time, to use alkisg scripts with english translation of the master interface, I think
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| 14:54 | <RicardoPerez> markit: so it seems to be no other "working" alternative, right?
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| 14:54 | <markit> alkisg: are you sure that the need to serve also M$Crapware is not the achille's heels of italc?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> markit: no, because I tried x11vnc (which italc uses internally) and it worked fine in all of my labs
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| 14:55 | <markit> RicardoPerez: I've tried italc of kubuntu 10.04, and using it "gently" I've been able to crash it all the 2 times I tried it
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> It's just badly tested
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| 14:55 | <markit> alkisg: tested or debugged?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> tested, debugged, patched... whatever :D
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| 14:55 | <markit> RicardoPerez: and if italc crashes, you can't make it work rerunning it, at least the way crashed to me
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| 14:55 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: used? :)
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> The developer isn't really cooperative in accepting patches...
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| 14:56 | <markit> RicardoPerez: I know an italian teacher that first told me italc is bad, he submitted some patches to italc creator but none were integrated, or email replied
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| 14:56 | <RicardoPerez> markit: so I'm lucky by now... I didn't see any crash... yet :)
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| 14:56 | <markit> alkisg told me his experience was the same
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| 14:56 | this is not good for a Free Software project
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| 14:56 | RicardoPerez: what version?
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| 14:57 | <RicardoPerez> I'm using 1.0.9, the version supplied with Lucid
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| 14:57 | <markit> I tried mainly with "publish teacher screen" functionality
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: usually the "ica" service is the one that crashes, so you can still watch the user screens, but can't broadcast nor view them full-screen
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| 14:57 | <markit> RicardoPerez: me too... how many clients?
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| 14:57 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: that sounds reasonable, because until now I didn't any broadcasting
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| 14:58 | markit: around 30
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| 14:58 | <markit> alkisg: yes, that is what crashes, teh "client part"
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| 14:58 | alkisg: do you know how can be restarted without restart the ltsp server?
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| 14:58 | <RicardoPerez> markit: the "client part" is the service installed on clients, right?
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| 14:58 | <markit> urgh, I promised not to bug you tonight :(
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> You need to run ica-launcher on each client
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| 14:59 | Heh, don't worry, if I'm busy I don't reply :)
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| 14:59 | <markit> alkisg: so "no way", except for some magic script
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| 14:59 | RicardoPerez: I think so, I mean the "teacher" quits abruptly
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| 14:59 | <RicardoPerez> markit: no replying to sending patches is not a good policy, sure :(
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| 14:59 | <markit> you re-run it and tells that "the other part" (sorry, can't test here and write the exact messages) don't work
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Well, one could make such a script (and ica-launcher already tries to rerun ica), but on faster labs I saw ica crashing every 2 secs, which wouldn't be pretty...
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| 15:00 | <RicardoPerez> markit: I'll try to stress iTALC tomorrow on the classroom
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| 15:00 | <markit> well, if crontab granularity is 1 sec... ;P
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| 15:00 | <RicardoPerez> I'll tell you my crashing experience :D
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| 15:00 | <markit> RicardoPerez: yes please, and if you find some workaround please tell me
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| 15:01 | I give you my email in private chat, if you want
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| 15:01 | <RicardoPerez> markit: sure
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| 15:01 | <markit> RicardoPerez: would be better find the way to join forces and, since alkisg solution seems much more stable, internationalize it
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| 15:01 | <RicardoPerez> I'll try to do broadcasting, remote control, full-screen and similar
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| 15:01 | <markit> but seems is not trivial
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> It's also much slower than plain x11vnc, maybe because of the encryption, I don't know, but broadcasts about 1 fps, while x11vnc about 5
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| 15:02 | <RicardoPerez> what's the alkisg solution, btw?
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
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| 15:02 | <RicardoPerez> mmmmmm taking a look...
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| 15:02 | wow... looks good! (and Greek ;))
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> It's not ready for wide use yet, it's for our local needs only
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| 15:03 | <RicardoPerez> besides that, looks very good, congratulations
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Thanks
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| 15:04 | <RicardoPerez> i wonder if it could be tested in another environment different to yours
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> dgroos translated the interface to english and he's using it in his classrooms
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| 15:04 | Works OK for him, he prefers it over italc
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| 15:05 | (I think he's the only non-Greek user of the app :D)
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| 15:05 | <RicardoPerez> lol
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| 15:05 | alkisg: can I test it, then? I would love it!
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> It has a lot of things that italc doesn't, e.g. live ltsp client autodetection, low ram usage, and a lot of ltsp or classroom specific things like thin/fat chroot generation + update through the menus, mass user creation etc etc
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| 15:06 | Sure, contact dgroos for the english version
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| 15:06 | <RicardoPerez> great, thanks :)
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> The greek ppa is there: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ - but you'll need the english .glade file
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Here he is :)
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| 15:08 | <RicardoPerez> dgroos: oh, hello! pleased to meet you :)
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| 15:08 | we're talking abot the english version of the alkisg italc-like tool :)
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| 15:09 | <dgroos> RicardoPerez, mucho gusto!
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| 15:09 | <markit> hi dgroos :)
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| 15:09 | <RicardoPerez> dgroos: el gusto es mío :)
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| 15:09 | <dgroos> Yes, I can post it on my site or, alkisg, is there a better place?
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| 15:09 | Howdy markit!
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> I could push it to the bzr branch in launchpad...
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| 15:09 | But maybe a post in your site would be better :)
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| 15:10 | <dgroos> alkisg: Both is fine, I think. Did you get that copy I sent?
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 15:10 | <RicardoPerez> dgroos: could you please provide me a compiled binary version of the alkisg tool? if not, don't worry, thank you!
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> dgroos: did you update it to the last version?
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| 15:11 | <dgroos> (I might need to leave without warning if the parent of the student with whom I'm to meet arrives, could be any moment)
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| 15:12 | I've not updated it yet, I'll do that first then post to my site and send off a copy...
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> That'd be best
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| 15:12 | I think we won't be making any other UI changes for 10.04
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| 15:13 | <dgroos> RicardoPerez I'm afraid compiling is beyond my limited capacities, alkisg, can you make a UI-translated-to-English version available?
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 15:14 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: oh, thank you very much, then :) compiling is not my big point, neither :(
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> (bzr branch lp:sch-scripts; copy the glade; debuild -b -tc)
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| 15:14 | But it's python, so copying files over /usr/share/sch-scripts is also a choice :)
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| 15:15 | <dgroos> alkisg: For Sure! (whatever he said ;))
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> As soon as dgroos sends me the last version of the .glade file, I'll upload the .deb to some ppa.
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| 15:16 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg, dgroos: zillions of thanks :)
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:17 | <dgroos> alkisg: so no luck with the sorting clients by user groups?
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| 15:18 | mucho gusto, again :)
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> dgroos: no, but I think phantomas sorted the clients by hostname on the newer version, which is a good first step
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| 15:18 | (you can declare the client hostnames in lts.conf)
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| 15:18 | <dgroos> I'll get on the translation...
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| 15:18 | That sounds like a work around? :D
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> You only do that once per lab though, it's worth the work :)
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| 15:19 | <dgroos> Excellent!!! Thanks you guys!
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> It's nice to have the clients named in the order they're located in the classroom
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| 15:20 | <dgroos> For sure. How exactly would I enter the lines in the lts.conf file?
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> [01:02:03:04:05:06]
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| 15:20 | HOSTNAME=pc1
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| 15:20 | (you can see the mac address from the properties dialog of the clients, inside sch-scripts)
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| 15:22 | <mnemoc> where/how can I alter the template used to generate ltsp/$arch/pxelinux.cfg/default ? i need it to prefix ltsp/$arch before vmlinuz and initrd...
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> mnemoc: distro/version?
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| 15:22 | <mnemoc> unbut 10.04
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| 15:22 | ubuntu
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 15:23 | Oooh sorry
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| 15:23 | Those are the kernel parameters, not the path
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| 15:23 | <mnemoc> it's :)
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| 15:23 | err
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| 15:23 | s/it's//
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Why would you need to change the path? Isn't it correctly autodetected?
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| 15:24 | <mnemoc> i'll have amd64 and i386 terminals
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| 15:24 | and i want dhcp to direct them all to a single pxelinux.0
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> You'll have 2 ltsp/$arch dirs then, each one with the correct path there
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| 15:24 | Ah
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| 15:25 | And how are you going to tell pxelinux to load different cfg for each arch?
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| 15:25 | <mnemoc> it's easier to play with symlinks in pxelinux.cfg than messing with dhcp config
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| 15:25 | default -> ltsp-i386 ; ltsp-i386 -> ../ltsp/i386/...
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| 15:26 | and exceptions MAC -> ltsp-amd64
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Well, you can leave the default file as it is then, and just make the exceptions...
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| 15:27 | <mnemoc> ltsp-update-kernels will make $arch default look for kernel and initrd at /
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> That's relative to the pxelinux.0 dir, so it's not at /
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| 15:28 | You can still make exceptions with ../../ltsp/amd64/vmlinuz there afaik
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| 15:28 | <mnemoc> yes, but pxelinux.0 dir is at the base
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> You're using a custom setup?
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> Isn't it at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 ?
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| 15:29 | <mnemoc> it is
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| 15:29 | and the other at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/
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| 15:29 | but i don't want to deal with that at dhcp level
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> So, if you make /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address files, can't you point them to ../../ltsp/amd64/vmlinuz ?
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| 15:30 | <mnemoc> i can also ignore the generated default file totally
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| 15:30 | <dgroos> alkisg: so the mac address goes on one line and under it is HOSTNAME=pc1 then under that is the next mac address (in brackets) and under that HOSTNAME=pc2 and so on?
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| 15:30 | <mnemoc> but it's ugly
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| 15:30 | <alkisg> dgroos: right
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| 15:30 | <mnemoc> and i loose the nbdport
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| 15:31 | how is that calculated?
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| 15:31 | can i rely it wont change?
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> From ltsp-update-image, it won't change if you don't add/remove chroots...
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| 15:31 | (and run ltsp-update-image --force...)
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| 15:32 | <mnemoc> my idea was to pass /pxelinux.0 from dhcp, there do the balancing to the different ../ltsp/$arch/blah
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| 15:33 | but if nbdport wont change spontaneusly i can write my own ltsp-i386 and ltsp-amd64 :)
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> If you're looking for the best solution, I think the last syslinux has code to detect 64bit clients, and load different configs for them
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| 15:33 | <mnemoc> :o
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> (it says it's experimental, but works - I haven't tried it)
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| 15:35 | <mnemoc> 2:3.63+dfsg-2ubuntu3 .... pretty old :) but i can kidnap the .0 anyway... thanks for the enlightening! :)
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| 15:37 | wow.... syslinux has gained lot of power since the last time i looked
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| 15:54 | <RicardoPerez> i'm going to leave now. see you! alkisg, will you put the english version of your italc-like tool under https://edge.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ ? thank you!
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> RicardoPerez: no, not there, somewhere else where it won't interfere
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| 16:09 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: ok, good. so i'll ask you next week or so, if you don't mind :)
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Sure, no problem
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| 16:10 | <dgroos_> RicardoPerez just to let you know, it works great!
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| 16:10 | <RicardoPerez> alkisg: thank you very much :)
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| 16:10 | dgroos_: great! i can't wait! :)
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| 16:10 | <dgroos_> I'm off as well.
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| 16:11 | <RicardoPerez> see you! bye!
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Bye all
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| 20:03 | <resnick> hi, can anybody help me?
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| 20:33 | <resnick> is there anybody?
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| 20:36 | <Lumiere> just ask
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| 20:37 | <resnick> i have installed the ltsp server
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| 20:38 | and i have trouble with login on terminals
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| 20:38 | <Lumiere> I haven't used ltsp
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| 20:38 | in 10 years
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| 20:38 | <resnick> omg
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| 20:39 | ok
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| 21:04 | <johnny> !ask
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| 21:04 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 21:05 | <johnny> resnick, you hae to explain your problem
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| 21:05 | don't force us to ask you again
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| 21:08 | * Lumiere is just 'enforcement' here | |
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| 21:12 | <resnick> hey
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| 21:12 | i m having unable to login due to unknown user id
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| 21:12 | on the terminal
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| 21:15 | <resnick> i can log in console
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| 21:15 | <resnick> but i can't login on ldm
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| 21:18 | <johnny> is there that user on the server?
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| 21:18 | <resnick> yes
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| 21:19 | it say too No response from server, restarting
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| 21:25 | <johnny> and your server has a desktop environment installed? like gnome?
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| 21:25 | can you ssh to it form the console
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| 21:25 | ssh youruseronserver@server
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| 21:26 | <resnick> yes
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| 21:26 | i can loggin too
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| 21:26 | i m using gnome
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| 22:00 | <johnny> via ssh?
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| 22:00 | from your terminal
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| 23:45 | <elias_a> Lumiere: Well - I just woke up. It is 07:45 here. Folks on this channel live on different continents.
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