IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 June 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:01 | <joulez> hi, changed the ip of a static client, now we are unable to log in, rebooting the server, fixes the problem and I can't recall what i did in the past to avoid that, any suggestions?
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| 02:01 | log in from that particular client that is.
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| 02:34 | ip neigh del <clientid> lladdr <clientmac> dev <device>
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| 02:34 | :)
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| 02:49 | <joulez> well too us so far.
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| 02:49 | took us
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| 02:49 | we can now log in, but then the desktop freezes.
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| 02:50 | hmm client crashes but still pingable.
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| 03:13 | <joulez> nfs: server "not responding, still trying"
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| 03:15 | wheres this page gone? : http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
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| 03:46 | <joulez> ok, changing a static clients ip I needed to ip neigh del <clientid> lladdr <clientmac> dev <device> etc, restart nfs-common (probably not needed), rebooted client, client logged in, after a few minutes we get "Jun 8 05:23:12 x192-168-2-21 kernel: [13659.932018] nfs: server 192.168.2.1 not responding, still tryin"
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| 03:47 | the fact that rebooting the server will fix this is a whole load of fail.
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| 03:52 | oh
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| 03:52 | the old client is still on...
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| 03:52 | i am fail.
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> !screen-socat
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| 04:37 | <ltsp`> alkisg: Error: "screen-socat" is not a valid command.
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> !socat
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| 04:37 | <ltsp`> alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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| 04:53 | <VectorX> got a ltsp connected to the net router + switch, got another machine connected to the router and i want to connect to the switch to access the file system of the ltsp, but the net stops working on that machine when i do, how can i solve this ?
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| 04:58 | <alkisg> Why do you need to connect the client to the switch to access the LTSP file system? It should see it from the router too (assuming it's got an embedded 4 port switch)
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| 04:59 | <VectorX> hmm
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| 05:00 | ok lets change the scenario
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| 05:00 | hehe
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> If you want to be able to dual boot the client sometimes as an ltsp client and sometimes with e.g. windows, either do NAT on your ltsp server, or use it as a proxydhcp
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| 05:01 | !proxydhcp
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| 05:01 | <ltsp`> alkisg: I do not know about 'proxydhcp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'proxy-dhcp'
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| 05:01 | <alkisg> !proxy-dhcp
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| 05:01 | <ltsp`> alkisg: proxy-dhcp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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| 05:01 | <VectorX> so on the non ltsp machine i got a vm with say win7 and dedicated nic, so i connect that nic to the switch and boom my net stops working on the non ltsp machine
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| 05:02 | <alkisg> Right, see above ^
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| 05:02 | <VectorX> ok
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| 05:04 | <alkisg> (in other words, throw away your second NIC of your ltsp server, and connect your switch directly to your router)
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| 05:05 | <VectorX> so connect the switch to the router then connect all the machines to the switch ?
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| 05:08 | <alkisg> Or the router, it doesn't matter where you connect them then
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| 05:11 | !alkisg-todo
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| 05:11 | <ltsp`> alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf
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| 05:55 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I want to implement 2 kind of LDM_LOGIN_ACTIONS in sch-scripts, one that runs from rc.d/S00-* (ssh server command) before xauthority is created, e.g. to cleanup the whole user dir, and another one that runs later, when e.g. dconf is loaded
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| 05:55 | ...should I implement them upstream instead, or are there any security concerns?
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| 05:56 | Those would run from the user account, of course
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| 05:56 | Also, any hints for appropriate names... :)
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| 06:00 | <alkisg> ...maybe LDM_PRESESSION_ACTION and LDM_INSESSION_ACTION?
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: depends on how intrusive they are ... but it seems like something that can conditionally reset the user's homedir would be useful
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if they're set, ssh -S $LDM_SOCKET $LDM_SERVER command, it's not anything intrusive
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| 06:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just an arbitrary command?
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| 06:09 | <alkisg> Yes, or we can hardcode it to e.g. /etc/ltsp/ldm_presession
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| 06:10 | So that server-side preperation is necessary as well, to increase security somewhat
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd keep it simple, just run the specified command on the server, yes?
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> Sure, the only concern is injecting data into lts.conf
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| 06:11 | But we're going to use certificates in the future, right? :P
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| 06:11 | <vagrantc> right
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| 06:11 | signed lts.conf files.
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| 06:12 | <alkisg> Cool, any ideas for the directive names?
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| 06:12 | We might want 3, login, in session, logout
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| 06:12 | the login part doesn't have access to dconf
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so one happens after the ssh tunnel is set up, before the Xsession is called... and the other after Xsession is called?
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| 06:13 | <alkisg> Ideally it needs to be inside xsession, with DBUS and all env vars set
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| 06:13 | I'm not sure if LDM can do that, or how, I'll have to look into it
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| 06:13 | The logout action (if I can do that too) would be after the session but before ssh is closed
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| 06:14 | <vagrantc> well, you can of course add it to the LDM_SESSION
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| 06:14 | <alkisg> I think it's still early there
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| 06:14 | I don't know at what point gnome sets up the environment and runs dconf etc
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| 06:15 | And I think that the user home dirs are set by an /etc/xdg/autostart script
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| 06:15 | (localized home dirs etc)
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| 06:15 | So it would have to run even after that, if the sysadmin wants e.g. to create some symlinks in the user's desktop
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| 06:16 | * alkisg hates having 100 ways to implement autostart scripts, one doesn't know where to put his own then in order to run properly | |
| 06:19 | <alkisg> Also I wonder if we should slowly start removing LDM_* from the things we'll be keeping even with lightdm
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| 06:19 | ...we may then claim the initials mean L(ight)DM :P
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| 06:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: LDM_PRESESSION_ACTION (or _COMMAND?) seems reasonable. _INSESSION_ is a little odd, sounds like you have more implementation details left for that.
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> It would much with POSTSESION though...
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| 06:20 | *match
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| 06:20 | <vagrantc> PRE IN and POST ?
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> Yeah
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| 06:20 | I wonder if we should omit LDM_ too though
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| 06:20 | PRE_SESSION_COMMAND, IN, POST
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| 06:21 | Or CMD for short
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| 06:21 | * vagrantc always worries about namespace clobbering | |
| 06:21 | <vagrantc> probably worry too much, but i don't see it hurting much
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> Those should only affect our own scripts, which are run from init
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| 06:22 | So I don't worry too much about the namespace
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> TIme to go, will read irclogs, bb
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| 09:48 | <rhorstkoetter> alkisg: hi. is there a transcript somewhere of yesterdays ltsp-docs irc meeting?
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Hi rhorstkoetter, I told the other people there that you're interested in helping with the wiki and they all agreed that you should join us on the next meeting
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| 09:49 | They'll send you a mail with the details
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| 09:50 | <rhorstkoetter> alkisg: I see, great
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| 12:51 | <mealstrom> hi
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| 12:53 | <mealstrom> http://pastebin.com/ZAjNy0ZB my xrandr output. How to get right resolution of 1280x1024 for DVI output ? im using nouveau/thin client ubuntu 12.04/
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Are you completely sure it does support it?
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| 12:58 | <mealstrom> yes, i can make it with xrandr
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| 12:58 | like cvt 1280 1024 .. xrandr --addmode ...
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| 12:59 | <markit> hi alkisg :) school is finishing in greece too?
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> mealstrom: put those in XRANDR_COMMAND_0="xrandr --newmode..." and XRANDR_COMMAND_1="xrandr --addmode..."
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| 13:00 | hi markit, yup
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| 13:02 | We're trying to finish sch-scripts and have them tested before the teachers leave for vacations at the end of the month
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> markit: here's how we ended up implementing shared folders (use google translate): http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP/ΚοινÏŒχρηστοι
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| 13:56 | <mealstrom> xrandr_command is missing at man lts.conf )
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> mealstrom: yeah it didn't make it for 12.04, it's there in the upstream code though
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| 14:15 | <mealstrom> alkisg: XRANDR_COMMAND is already at ubuntu-thin-client xiinitrc.d/I10-xrandr . but there is no at man. anyway that works :)
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| 14:15 | alkisg: thank you
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> mealstrom: yes as I said we're aware of that, and it's been included in the man page, but not in the 12.04 man page
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| 14:15 | you're welcome
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| 14:16 | !learn alkisg-todo package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
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| 14:16 | <ltsp_> alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
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| 14:16 | <ltsp_> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 14:48 | <markit> alkisg: wow, great news! I'll read it carefully later, but seems what I was looking for
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| 14:49 | alkisg: btw, thanks also for the bug fix of "subdirs" [Bug 975128] Re: LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS sshfs should use nonempty option
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> markit: you're welcome - better read it tomorrow, I just got a better idea, one that gives a different read-only directory per teacher too
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> You cannot reach me now...
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| 15:03 | No matter how you try...
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| 15:03 | * alkisg would like to see them too :( | |
| 15:03 | <sbalneav> Goodbye, cruel world, it's over...
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| 15:04 | walk on by...
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| 15:04 | <ogra_> walk on by
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> How was it? They still have it?
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> Waters?!
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Yeah
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> Helluva show
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| 15:04 | * alkisg has only seen deep purple and scorpions so far | |
| 15:04 | <ogra_> heh, scorpions
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| 15:04 | <sbalneav> Ooooh, scorpions
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| 15:04 | * ogra_ had breakfast with them as a teen ... | |
| 15:04 | <sbalneav> Umm, they did a song I relly like...
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| 15:05 | gahhh
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| 15:05 | hold on, lemme google it.
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| 15:05 | <ogra_> they come from my home town, i know the cafe where they (still) go for breakfast if they are there
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> We stayed at the same hotel with Deep purple, had breakfast beside them
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> WINDS OF CHANGE
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| 15:05 | got it.
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| 15:05 | Was there smoke?
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| 15:05 | On the water?
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Of course :D
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> Anything in the sky?
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| 15:06 | <ogra_> and my math teached in school was actually studio keyboarder before they got famous
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| 15:06 | +their
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| 15:06 | <sbalneav> well
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| 15:07 | s/y s/y their s/g
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| 15:07 | <ogra_> (they probably got famous because they went without him, who knows :) )
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| 15:07 | <highvoltage> you all went down to Montreux?
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| 15:07 | (sorry I know it's lame but I couldn't help it :p)
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| 15:08 | * alkisg grabs his guitar and accompanies highvoltage singing... | |
| 15:08 | <highvoltage> :D
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| 15:08 | <sbalneav> http://vimeo.com/1223566
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| 15:09 | * ogra_ lights a campfire | |
| 15:09 | <alkisg> Nice boob^H song
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> That music video is just hilarious
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| 15:10 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey Scotty! has been a while!
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> Yep! I'm trying to stage a comeback.
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| 15:11 | <ogra_> where is jim btw ?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> Move's over, and I've done some more work on the pam+nss stuff
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| 15:11 | <ogra_> where did you move to ?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> ogra_: Jim's up to HIS neck, atm. His business is really at a critical phase right now. Their software's almost written.
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| 15:12 | <ogra_> ah, cool
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| 15:12 | good to hear
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> Our ofices at work all moved.
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| 15:12 | We went from 2 physical localtions to 8
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| 15:12 | <ogra_> ah, not your home then
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| 15:12 | wow
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| 15:12 | everything grows !
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> Oh , no.
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| 15:12 | oh, yeah.
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| 15:12 | <stgraber> highvoltage: I actually know quite a few people who went to the Montreux show, it's just an hour driving distance from my parent's place (and a few minutes from the time share place we have in the alps)
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> That's why I've been scarse.
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| 15:12 | scarce.
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| 15:12 | not here, even.
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> So you guys are sure you don't want to do the next LTSP BTS nearby some Greek beach? :D
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| 15:13 | <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, cool
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| 15:13 | <ogra_> alkisg, i would love to
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> Personally, I'd love to. My wallet, on the other hand :(
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> I'm hearing that some Ubuntu members won't be able to make it to Main...
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| 15:13 | <ogra_> since UDS is definitely in europe
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> yeah.
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| 15:13 | There might have to be more remote participation this time.
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| 15:14 | We'll have to submit RFC12386
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| 15:14 | "Lobster over IPV6"
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| 15:14 | <stgraber> ogra_: oh, you heard of a "definitely in Europe", good, I've been trying to get clues on where it'd be so we can try and plan the hackfest
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> brb, duty calls....
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| 15:14 | * ogra_ probably could get a free flight, just got my miles account overview and i really dont want a lufthansa case set | |
| 15:15 | <highvoltage> rofl
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| 15:15 | <stgraber> ogra_: I certainly don't have any problem with getting an hackfest in Europe, we just need a good location, that's not too expensive or hard to get to from UDS (or to UDS)
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| 15:15 | <ogra_> well, greece should be cheap nowadays :P
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> Hehe, yup :)
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| 15:16 | Has the city where UDS will be been announced?
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| 15:17 | <ogra_> not yet
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| 15:17 | always takes very long until they have all the negotiations done
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| 15:17 | (we usually replace the whole hotel network etc, that needs confirmation in the contracts ...)
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| 15:19 | GEEZ !
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| 15:20 | the new seawall homepage is a memory hog par excellence
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| 15:21 | <stgraber> I'm surprised they haven't listed LTSP hackfest under activities yet ;)
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| 15:21 | * ogra_ doesnt see speedbump on the page anywhere | |
| 15:22 | <ogra_> (thats why i opened it first place)
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| 15:23 | :(
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 16:16 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hmmmm... ltsp-server-standalone should definitely recommend ltsp-docs ... i'm having second thoughts about ltsp-server doing so
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| 16:17 | The `Recommends' field should list packages that would be found
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| 16:17 | together with this one in all but unusual installations.
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that sounds fine (only ltsp-server-standalone)
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| 16:17 | !alkisg-todo
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| 16:17 | <ltsp_> alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf, or (#4) package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> Ah yeah the recipe for ltsp-docs... ok later, lts.conf needs a few more entries (RM_*SERVICES etc)
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> recipe? launchpad recipe?
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 16:18 | Building with one click, my favorite!
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> i've not yet bothered with VCS for ltsp-docs ... but i should start. there hasn't been much to maintain
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> Ah. Hm. Guess I'll wait then :D
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just need to create the repo somewhere
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| 16:20 | <vagrantc> and then presumably mirror to launchpad?
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> Please do so, I'd hate to have to run debuild -S -sa, launchpad spoiled me too much for that!
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| 16:21 | And until sbalneav starts pushing pam-ssh stuff, I think the trunk will be somewhat stable, so I'll be frequently uploading packages with any new content we have
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm thinking the packaging branch will also include the upstream code, only merging in new upstream versions.
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> or you think we should maintain it like epoptes?
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> I don't mind, launchpad recipes support getting the debian/ dir from one branch, and the code from another
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| 16:22 | <baevs> Hi All,
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think your ltsp and ldm repos are fine, why don't you do it the same way?
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i like having the packaging dir match the relevent upstream code. soo my development would be hack on upstream, merge to packaging branch, hack on packaging (/debian/), upload
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| 16:23 | <alkisg> Or you could create the debian/ dir directly in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/files - that sounds fine too
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| 16:24 | <baevs> did anybody run ltsp as a VM on ESXi?
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't really like the way the packaging branches are for ldm/ltsp ... we only did that because of how much debian and ubuntu diverged. but it's a mess.
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| 16:25 | alkisg: when i commit changes to the packaging, i want to know which upstream branches it's relevent for.
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: what I personally like is for the packaging to be upstream, and then snapshotted on every distro release, e.g. you'd also have an unstable branch or a testing branch - both the packaging and the code at the time you did the release
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| 16:27 | But I don't mind however you do it
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| 16:27 | I don't want the packaging to be upstream when the packager is not an upstream developer though, sure
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| 16:28 | <vagrantc> i haven't tried the model where the packaging branch is a merge of upstream + debian dir ... never merging from packaging to upstream.
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| 16:28 | but i think it would work reasonably well.
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| 16:29 | also, debian now supports diverging from upstream's debian dir if you use dpkg source format 3.0 (quilt)
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> baevs: if you have a specific problem with ESXi, I think you'd have more chances to get an answer if you directly asked that, instead of "does anyone use..."
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> although sounds like that may have caused problems for some of the ubuntu builds when i did an epoptes upload with the debian dir in the upstream tarball?
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: not that I know of... did it?
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there were complaints about my botched packaging, to which "works for me" seemed fine. :)
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| 16:30 | * alkisg hasn't heard anything... weird :) | |
| 16:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'm tempted to do ltsp-docs the way we've been doing epoptes
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Sounds fine to me!
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> warren also complained about seeing lots of debian-specific commits in the original ltsp branches ... but i dunno ... we see all sorts of unrelated commits in our branches, that's what upstream is about :)
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| 16:32 | <baevs> That's my first experience in IRC so I'm not sure how it works... my problem with ESXi that I wasn't able to run LTSP server on several different OS which were virtualized on ESXi 5
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> warren has left fedora specific code in non-fedora dirs, so... at least the debian commits are inside debian dirs
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| 16:33 | baevs: be more specific, what you tried, what error message it produced etc
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| 16:33 | <baevs> actually I was able to install it but thin clients refuse to boot
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| 16:33 | more specifically: thin client passes PXE, login window, it shows X-session and then hangs
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> Distro/version?
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| 16:34 | <baevs> I tried it first on Edubuntu 12.04
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> So you were able to login, but after login it crashed?
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| 16:34 | <baevs> bit edubuntu 12.04 worked well when it was installed on a piece of hardware
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| 16:35 | it didn't crash but it dedn't respond to mouse clicks and keyboard
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> That's after login, right?
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| 16:35 | <baevs> still I could switch to TTY1-6
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| 16:35 | yes
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> And it was a real hardware client, which worked fine when the server was not on ESXi?
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| 16:36 | <baevs> where I was getting repeated "hda-intel spurious response.."
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| 16:37 | the thin client is a hardware one, but edubuntu is virtualized on esxi5
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| 16:37 | that same thin client worked when edubuntu was running on hardware
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> Do you mean when edubuntu was running locally on the client without LTSP?
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: pushed the debian dir in ltsp-docs-trunk
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| 16:38 | <baevs> the thin client is diskless
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks!
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| 16:38 | <baevs> it doesn't run any ois
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| 16:38 | *os
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| 16:38 | it boots over network
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> baevs: ok, so do you mean "when the LTSP server was installed on real hardware"?
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| 16:39 | <baevs> I meant that LTSP was a part of the edubuntu which was running on hardware
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> Nope, I still don't get it
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| 16:40 | I don't understand what your setup was when the client was able to boot
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| 16:40 | <baevs> let me start over
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| 16:41 | my original setup (successful) was: a diskless thinclient + edubuntu (with ltsp) installed on a piece of hardware (DELL workstation).
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| 16:41 | This setup worked well and didn't give me any problem
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| 16:42 | then I wanted to move edubuntu with ltsp into ESXi
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| 16:42 | I already had ESXi in my infrastructure so I installed fresh edubuntu (with LTSP) as a virtual machine on ESXi
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| 16:43 | started up that same diskless thinclient
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| 16:44 | it booted from PXE, passed login, shown x-session (I made it to be gnome 2in lts.conf)
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| 16:44 | and then stopped responding to mouse clicks and keyboard hits
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> There's no gnome-2 in 12.04, what did you put to lts.conf?
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| 16:45 | <baevs> LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> Is it missing a quote at the end in lts.conf too? Or just typo now?
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| 16:46 | <baevs> I didn't paste it ...
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| 16:46 | here
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> On your server, try: dpkg -l gnome-session-fallback
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| 16:47 | <baevs> don't have that VM anymore... but I could recreate it
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| 16:47 | * vagrantc wonders why ubuntu doesn't implement a wrapper script called gnome-session-fallback | |
| 16:47 | <ogra_> for what ?
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> for gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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| 16:47 | <ogra_> ah, in ltsp you mean
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> no, in general...
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| 16:48 | <ogra_> we neither ship gnome-session-fallback (i think its even in universe) nor do users need to call it manually
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> so what's gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback ?
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| 16:48 | <ogra_> lightdm or gdm will have an entry for it you can select once its installed
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| 16:49 | the syntax you guys use in ltsp :)
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> i believe it's in a .desktop file
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it should be the same in debian too, it's the contents of the exec line in the gnome-fallback.desktop file
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| 16:49 | <ogra_> display managers nowadays use .dekstop files that have that line in Exec
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| 16:49 | <baevs> it was set by edubuntu installer when it asked me to not to use Unity as window manager I agreed so it made such lts.conf during installation
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, but in debian it calls gnome-session-fallback in the Exec line, and in ubuntu it calls gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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| 16:50 | <ogra_> intresting
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| 16:50 | so debian has a wrapper ?
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 16:50 | which basically does exactly that
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| 16:50 | i.e. gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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| 16:50 | <ogra_> i dont think we even patch any of these packages anymore
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> I don't mind about the exec line... I'm missing a way to select the default session independendly from the DM I use though
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| 16:51 | <ogra_> i.e. the desktop team just wants plain upstream to save maintenance work
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> (for all users)
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| 16:51 | <ogra_> should be doable somehow though gsettings or so
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| 16:52 | <baevs> | |
| 16:52 | it shows desktop and then stops responding
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> ogra_: what if I'm not using gnome? No gsettings...
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| 16:53 | <baevs> but I can switch to TTY1-6 and back to TTY7
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> There's lightdm-set-defaults something, but it's lightdm-specific
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| 16:53 | <ogra_> well, complain to gdm upstream if you want it for gdm too :)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> To freedesktop, probably :)
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| 16:54 | <ogra_> (or implement it for ldm if you want it in ldm)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> I don't want something specific to DMs
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| 16:54 | <ogra_> right, or make it a freedesktop spec :)
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| 17:02 | <baevs> alkisg: I also tried ubuntu 12.04 + ltsp-standalone -- similar problems
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| 17:10 | <ogra_> greece mad a goal !
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| 17:10 | *made
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> ogra_: it was a freedesktop spec that was getting used and then GDM, LightDM, KDM abandoned it.
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| 17:11 | <ogra_> ouch
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| 17:11 | * ogra_ wasnt aware | |
| 17:11 | <vagrantc> divergence -> convergence -> divergence :(
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| 17:12 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 17:12 | silly
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| 17:25 | <alkisg> stgraber: is it possible for the ltsp-daily recipes to build but not send mails on failure?
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| 17:25 | Or should I just disable the "[x] Daily builds" for ltsp-docs?
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| 17:25 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ltsp-docs-trunk-daily/+edit
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| 17:25 | <stgraber> alkisg: I don't think so
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| 17:26 | <alkisg> (I didn't touch it yet, but it started sending build failure messages)
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| 17:27 | OK, removed the nest part of the recipe, should build fine now
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so we'll have autobuilt ltsp-docs?
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes, let me remove the ubuntu-1 part of the packaging...
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| 17:28 | (it already has ~precise etc there)
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> yeah, the distro really shouldn't matter on that one.
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> {debversion}+bzr{revno}? Or {debversion}~bzr{revno} ?
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: how's debversion defined?
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> Whatever you put in changelog
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| 17:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd say ~ then
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> There's also debupstream, without the debian part
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| 17:30 | OK
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> although right now it means it will build packages earlier than the current version, but we can increment that after a release
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> I can put + for now and change it to ~ when there's a release
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> that works too
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> (I'm doing the same for ltsp, e.g. + to override the precise version, and when upstream releases a new version, ~ to allow the next ubuntu upload to override the ppa)
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: can you have it be conditional?
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| 17:32 | alkisg: i.e. if unstable in debian/changelog, use +, and if UNRELEASED use ~ ?
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> No idea... how would it know when to put + and when ~ ?
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| 17:32 | Ah
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| 17:33 | Dunno
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| 17:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does it just build the uptsreamversion, or does it use the debian revision?
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| 17:33 | i.e. 1.0-1 vs. 1.0 ?
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> debversion=1.0-1
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| 17:34 | debupstream=1.0
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> it would be better to put the ~bzr{revno} after the upstream part.
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| 17:35 | or maybe even leave out the debversion altogether?
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> So, 1.0~bzr145 ?
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| 17:36 | I'd have to downgrade to install it over 1.0-1 in that case though
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| 17:37 | * alkisg votes for 1.0-1+bzr145 and we can change it whenever we want a custom version... | |
| 17:37 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so i saw a bunch of launchpad commits about restructiring the package to sync ubuntu and debian ... how do you want to proceed? :)
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| 17:37 | alkisg: can you increment and add a ~ ?
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Dunno
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i.e. debversion+1 (1.0-1 -> 1.0-2~bzr)
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/+help-code/recipe-syntax.html
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| 17:38 | <stgraber> vagrantc: is that based on alkisg's branch? I had the initial merge of his changes in lp:~stgraber/ubuntu/quantal/ltsp/alkisg-merge/
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> stgraber: we just came up with something that would allow us to have the same source package with different dependencies that was pretty sane.
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes#Version_numbers_and_substitution_variables
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| 17:40 | I don't see anything that would produce 1.0-2~bzr
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| 17:41 | * vagrantc doesn't like the upstream version to remain the same but with potentially different upstream source tarball | |
| 17:41 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oh, good. The easiest for me to look at it is to have the new packaging be a branch of lp:ubuntu/quantal/ltsp
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> stgraber: essentially X-Vendor-Depends (Recommends/Suggests) can get substituted in with ${vendor:Depends} variables.
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| 17:42 | stgraber: so X-Debian-Depends for debian-specific dependencies, and X-Ubuntu-Depends for ubuntu-specific dependencies.
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| 17:43 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oh, that sounds quite nice
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it was alkisg's idea, my implementation :)
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| 17:46 | stgraber: would also need to probably split out ltsp-live into a separate source package, and either sync ltsp-client-builder or split that out too.
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| 17:46 | <stgraber> vagrantc: is the X-Vendor-Depends stuff done by debhelper or is that a custom debian/rules implementation?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> stgraber: custom implementation
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| 17:47 | <stgraber> ltsp-live is definitely moving to edubuntu-netboot, I have a work item for that
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| 17:47 | <stgraber> for ltsp-client-builder, we should be able to get that in sync, I don't think our changes are really Ubuntu specific
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| 17:47 | <vagrantc> it's been a long time since i've looked at ltsp-client-builder
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| 17:48 | <stgraber> but initially I'm happy to have that delta and just merge ltsp from Debian whenever it lands in there, it's just a few minutes more work compared to a clean sync
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> it basically requires a review of the depends/recommends/suggests ... not sure if there are any other packaging changes at this point.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> The ltsp-cluster stuff
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| 17:51 | <vagrantc> and alkisg is using the debian packaging to build ubuntu packages... so clearly you walk the line.
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc: could you try putting nfs-kernel-server only in X-Debian-Depends, and I'd then build it and see if it works?
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| 17:53 | * alkisg just thought of a very nice method to implement shared folders for school classes, but might hit the 16 groups limit of NFS, so he wants to try SSHFS as the default for schools here... chromium-browser seems to have started working fine with SSHFS now | |
| 17:53 | <alkisg> So I don't need nfs-kernel-server anymore, it'd be nice to not have it installed as a dependency
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i've tested it, it workks.
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| 17:54 | cool to hear about chromium-browser working with sshfs
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Cool, then it's scheduled to go in X-Debian-Depends? (or recommends... and nfs-common too if you have it anywhere, didn't check)
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, so i can start migrating over to X-Vendor-Foo soonish
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| 17:55 | !vagrant-todo
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| 17:55 | <alkisg> Thanks
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| 17:55 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and you'll propose ubuntu changes?
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the only one I add is ldm-ubuntu-theme
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> ltsp_: forget vagrant-todo 5
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> Don't know what the others are needed for
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> nbd-server.allow ... right!
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| 18:02 | alkisg: ok, so to test nbd-server.allow issues ... i create the nbd-server.allow and and an authfile line pointing to it?
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yup
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and then clients will fail to boot?
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> And check syslog for the messages
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| 18:03 | Right, unauthorized client
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> alkisg: reproduced.
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: if you wanna try debuild too, you could also confirm if the patch works
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there's a patch in the launchpad report?
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 18:08 | The 2x2 swapped lines
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| 18:08 | Wouter is using <<= thinking of little endian, while netorder is big endian
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> that just looks like code.
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> ...it's a poor man's patch, not a debdiff :P
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> don't see any diff at all
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Yeah
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| 18:09 | I thought Wouter would understand it
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> so it's a code copy, not a patch?
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Right
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| 18:10 | It basically involves swapping 2 lines with their next one
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> not understanding the underlying code, i don't understand how to patch it :(
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> OK give me a minute
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| 18:11 | <stgraber> hehe, endianness is always fun ;)
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and submit it to the launchpad bug
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| 18:13 | <alkisg> vagrantc: done
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| 18:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it works if authfile is specified in the /etc/nbd-server/config
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> vagrantc: nbd version?
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| 18:15 | Also, it should default to /etc/nbd-server/allow, it currently doesn't
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> alkisg: oh wait, no, it just says "Can't open authorization file (null) (Bad address)/"
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> and then proceeds to work
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> It tries to fopen(NULL, ...)
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| 18:16 | But we don't care about that particular bug in LTSP
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> should still be reported
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> Since I put code to use /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow. But yup, that's why I reported it.
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> ok, bug report in progress
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| 18:18 | oh, i should confirm your patch actually fixes it.
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> !alkisg-todo
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| 18:20 | <ltsp_> alkisg: alkisg-todo: (#1) ltsp-update-image.symlinks, or (#2) review RM_*_SERVICES lists, or (#3) put LDM_PRINTER_LIST example in lts.conf, or (#4) package a newer version of ltsp-docs in the Greek schools PPA
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as upload fixed nbd-server package in the PPA
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| 18:20 | <ltsp_> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> stgraber: should I be asking for SRUs for such things instead of uploading to a PPA?
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| 18:23 | <stgraber> alkisg: that's clearly a bug, so SRU would be fine, I'm happy to sponsor the sru
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so your patch only addresses the ltsp issue, or both issues?
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Cool, will do when wouter commits the fix
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| 18:24 | vagrantc: only the ltsp issue
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| 18:25 | Beer time... :)
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| 18:26 | <muppis> Second beer already going.. :D
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| 19:00 | <muppis> Awesome. I changed a switch during boot and it survived. :D
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 19:05 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users, or (#5) ltsp-server: Recommend: ltsp-docs, or (#6) follow-up on nbd-server.allow bug report on Debian
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> !forget vagrant-todo 6
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| 19:06 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> !forget vagrant-todo 5
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| 19:06 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 19:08 | <muppis> Hmm.. alt-tab doesn't work in fat.
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> knipwim: what's your typical user creation tool called? adduser? useradd? you have both? know how the syntax compares to debian?
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> !vagrant-todo
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| 22:33 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxelinux configuration, or (#2) pxemenus, or (#3) ltsp-tool.conf.d, or (#4) kiosk plugin autocreate users
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> !forget vagrant-todo 4
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| 22:33 | <ltsp_> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 22:34 | <alkisg> kiosk done?! Or merely forgotten? :)
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| 22:34 | <vagrantc> just pushed
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| 22:34 | "works for me"
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| 22:34 | <rhorstkoetter> alkisg: I had the very same question in mind ;)
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| 22:35 | <alkisg> Cool, I'll test on Ubuntu in a couple of days
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> yeah, the syntax for todo handling is a little messy.
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| 22:35 | alkisg: basically, it just creates the user at runtime, the ltsp-build-client plugins only install packages.
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| 22:36 | well, the ubuntu one still does some configuration - i didn't know how to handle that generically.
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| 22:36 | hopefully it isn't too distro-specific.
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| 22:37 | <alkisg> Sounds good :)
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| 22:37 | * vagrantc ponders trying to use wwm for the WM | |
| 22:38 | <alkisg> It's even preinstalled so it would be a good choice if it works
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| 22:38 | <vagrantc> exactly.
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> well, wwm works, although it puts a black border around the edges.
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| 22:46 | <alkisg> http://packages.debian.org/devilspie2
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> oh, fun.
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| 22:46 | <alkisg> The old one is unmaintained they say... http://www.gusnan.se/devilspie2/
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| 22:47 | https://live.gnome.org/DevilsPie: Note that Devil's Pie isn't really maintained - you may be more interested in the successor project Devil's Pie 2.
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| 22:47 | <vagrantc> oh, the funs.
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| 22:48 | <alkisg> Do we only need that to maximize the firefox window? Or is it there for the popup windows as well?
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| 22:48 | * vagrantc cargo-culted that | |
| 22:50 | <vagrantc> ah, KIOSK_WM isn't passed because of the call to su
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| 23:32 | <alkisg> Meh xfreerdp runs fine from an xterm launched via SCREEN_07=xterm, and it segfaults when ran via an xterm launched at the top of xinitrc
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| 23:33 | Go figure
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| 23:33 | Hmm maybe it chokes on $HOME being unset
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| 23:34 | Yup
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| 23:37 | <vagrantc> ouch.
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| 23:38 | alkisg: pushing the X-Debian-Depends: nfs-kernel-server change.
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> Ty!
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| 23:39 | vagrantc: reccomend
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| 23:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did both recommends and depends as appropriate
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| 23:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no I meant you have a typo in the bzr commit message
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| 23:40 | But nm
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| 23:40 | <vagrantc> doh.
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| 23:40 | leave it to a greek to correct my english :)
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| 23:41 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 23:46 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ltsp-docs-trunk-daily => Successful build
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| 23:50 | * vagrantc pushes some documentation for x-vendor-substvars | |