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Channel log from 6 September 2011 (all times are UTC)

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07:20	<tarzeau> how would i get sound to work with rdesktop and ltsp?
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07:30	<bobapple> is there any chance running skype on the server, not as localapp?
07:31	with video and voice
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07:33	<muppis> Haven't tested, but I think voice can be possible, but video needs access to hardware, which not possible.
07:33	<bobapple> the problem is that if i run skype with video it increases the load of the clients very high, so that voice is breaking etc.
07:34	<muppis> Does clients meet requirements of Skype at all?
07:35	<bobapple> i'm not sure about the requirements of skype
07:37	i had a look at them, clients do meet the requirements of skype
07:38	client: AMD Athlon, 1GHz, 512MB RAM
07:44	<muppis> Light change that can be little too slow. Can you test with better client?
07:46	<bobapple> i don't have others :/
07:46	but last frew days it seemed to work
07:46	it's a bit surprising that today it does not work fine
07:48	<muppis> Can you install Ubuntu locally and try there?
07:49	<bobapple> i am using fedora on my own machine, on the ltsp server and on the ltsp chroot, changing to ubuntu would not be a solution
07:52	<muppis> I just assumed you're using Ubuntu, sorry. Then, can you install local Fedora and test there?
07:55	<bobapple> on local fedora installation it is working fine
07:59	<muppis> Only what comes to my mind is try to use direct X, not encrypted. That shouldn't be the case, but worth of try.
08:00	As already running locally, connection between client and server shouldn't affect localapps video.
08:06	<bobapple> i think it's worth a try
08:07	how can i configure X not to encrypt?
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08:09	<muppis> Set LDM_DIRECTX to true in lts.conf
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08:14	<bobapple> well, that's configured by default
08:14	so that seems not to be the problem
08:14	i am noticing that the cpu usage is increasing very high when using video
08:14	without video (just audio) everything is working fine
08:17	<Hyperbyte> Which process is using the CPU?
08:18	<bobapple> skype itself
08:19	it's very strange, because it worked some days before
08:20	<Hyperbyte> So it's not an X compression problem.
08:21	If it were, it would be xorg using the CPU
08:22	<bobapple> i would say that skype is just using very much cpu, but it worked before, so that makes no sense
08:30	http://pastebin.com/eXh3LCWG
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08:40	<Hyperbyte> Seems like it could be audio related
08:40	Or is it normal for PulseAudio to use a lot of CPU when microphone and headphones are used?
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08:51	<bobapple> i think video is causing the problem, because without it everything works fine
08:52	i thought i can set the capture width and height to something lower, but i don't know how to do that yet
08:58	<Hyperbyte> Maybe you should run Skype as a localapp then.
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08:59	<bobapple> it is running as local app all the time
08:59	otherwise i could not use the webcam
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09:04	<ludotech> hello everybody!
09:05	i have a little problem with my ltsp
09:05	are you here?
09:06	<Hyperbyte> !ask
09:06	<ltsp> Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
09:07	<ludotech> i have an icon on my client in the launcher which don't have the icone of office writter
09:07	this is a link to a file.xls
09:08	over /mnt
09:08	do you understand my probleme?
09:15	<tarzeau> audio over rdp is very soft, the mixer settings are all up in alsamixer as well as the windows server, what else could be make to make it louder?
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09:35	<Hyperbyte> ludotech, I don't really understand your problem, no. What do you mean with "in the launcher"? And what icon does it have?
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09:50	<ludotech> ok so i have solved my probleme. The icon of my /home/p2/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/Annuaire had a bad name in the icon path.
09:50	<garymc> Hi I desperatley need help. I have just installed UBUNTU LTSP Alternate on my server. When I try to boot my thin clients, they keep failiing to boot via PXE, what am I doing wrong, or what do I need to do/install to get the thin clients to load up
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09:52	<garymc> please :( ......
09:52	<ludotech> to garymc -> /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf you must verify the mac adresse in p2
09:52	<garymc> how do I do that, im a newbie
09:53	<ludotech> vi /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
09:53	host p2_a95 {
09:53	hardware ethernet 00:80:64:73:F4:22;
09:53	fixed-address 192.168.254.134;
09:53	filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
09:53	}
09:57	<garymc> ok, i will try in 1 sec, got a call i have to take... god damn :(
09:57	i thought this worked out of the box
09:58	<alkisg> It does, with the proper wiring and archicture of the clients...
09:58	but if you put the amd64 alternate cd, and have i386 clients, it doesn't
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09:59	<bobapple> alkisg: any idea why skype voice is breaking when video is enabled? (skype as localapp)
10:00	<alkisg> bobapple, run `top` on the client to see if it's a cpu problem
10:00	<garymc> hmm ok alkisg
10:00	<bobapple> yes it is a cpu problem
10:00	<garymc> so I follow ludotech
10:00	<Hyperbyte> garymc, ludotech, you do not need to specify the mac address of each client in dhcpd.conf
10:00	<bobapple> http://pastebin.com/eXh3LCWG
10:00	<Hyperbyte> A global configuration will work fine.
10:01	<garymc> ok so what do I need to do? :S
10:01	<bobapple> but the load is also high when using just voice
10:01	<Hyperbyte> garymc, easy, start by giving us some information! "they keep failing to boot via PXE" is not very descriptive.
10:01	<alkisg> bobapple: then you need a better client, nothing ltsp related there...
10:02	<Hyperbyte> garymc, do they fail to get a network address? Do they get an address and then fail? Do they .... etc
10:02	<bobapple> that is what i would say, but it worked fine just some days before
10:02	<alkisg> Did you upgrade something? Newer software versions may need more cpu...
10:03	LTSP can't optimize the local CPU usage, it's not related to it
10:03	<garymc> NO DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were recieved
10:03	Reboot or select proper boot device
10:03	<bobapple> nop, didn't touch anything, that is so weird
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10:04	<alkisg> garymc: describe your network setup. How many nics on the server? How many switches? Where is each nic connected? How do you access the internet?
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10:06	<alkisg> bobapple: just for a small test, put SOUND=False in your lts.conf. This disables pulseaudio, and saves you some CPU. See if skype works better then.
10:06	<garymc> proliant server Ubuntu LTSP > one NETWORK SWITCH > 5 thin clients. Internet goes into one network slot on server and one network slot connects to switch
10:06	all thin clients connect to switch
10:06	<alkisg> So you have 2 network cards on the server?
10:06	<garymc> so 2 NICS on the server
10:06	<Hyperbyte> garymc, type netstat -lpn \| grep :67 on the server. Any output?
10:07	<alkisg> internet => nic1 => server => nic2 => switch => clients ?
10:07	<garymc> yes alkisg
10:07	<alkisg> And which cd did you download? Alternate amd64?
10:08	<garymc> alternate 64bit one
10:09	Hyperbyte : no output for that command
10:09	<alkisg> garymc: and, are your clients amd64? or i386?
10:09	<garymc> i386
10:09	<alkisg> Did you run ltsp-build-client --arch i386?
10:09	<garymc> i think
10:10	nope i didnt run that
10:10	<alkisg> That's what we were telling you the other day
10:10	Now your chroot is 64bit, but your clients 32 bit
10:10	<garymc> it was, my head is up my arse
10:10	<alkisg> So delete your chroot and run that command to create a new one
10:10	<garymc> so does that mean i need to install 32bit one?
10:10	<alkisg> No
10:10	Read my last sentense
10:10	<garymc> how do I delete chroot
10:11	<alkisg> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp
10:11	Then: sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
10:11	<garymc> ok
10:11	thanks
10:11	<alkisg> You may still have dhcp problems, but those are to be solved later
10:11	<garymc> ok
10:11	<Hyperbyte> And then you need to fix your DHCP server, but take it one step at a time. :)
10:11	Yeah...
10:11	:)
10:11	<alkisg> :)
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10:13	<garymc> alkisg : sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 <-- says command not found
10:13	<Hyperbyte> sudo or ltsp-build-client?
10:13	<alkisg> garymc: did you select "install an ltsp server" when you installed ubuntu from the alternate dc?
10:14	Like the wiki page says?
10:14	<Hyperbyte> Wait, Ubuntu can't miss sudo, can it?
10:14	<garymc> it didnt give me the choice
10:14	sudo works
10:14	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: $ sudo bad_command
10:14	sudo: bad_command: command not found
10:14	garymc: you didn't read the wiki... it says, press f4 and select "install an ltsp server"
10:14	So now you didn't install ltsp at all
10:14	<garymc> shit
10:14	<alkisg> Anyway, just install ltsp-server-standalone now
10:15	sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
10:15	<garymc> i can do it again
10:15	<alkisg> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
10:15	No, no need
10:15	Run the 2 commands above
10:16	<garymc> ok thanks
10:16	running first one now
10:16	<alkisg> The second one will take a lot of time
10:16	<garymc> just gonna make sure thin clients are actually i386
10:17	stopping dhcp server failed
10:17	invoke force-reload also failed
10:18	<alkisg> Don't worry about dhcp now.
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10:18	<Hyperbyte> garymc, listen to the Oracle. :)
10:19	<garymc> ok thin clients may be 64 bit
10:20	<alkisg> "may" is not good enough, try to boot them with the alternate cd
10:20	<garymc> should i restart server ow after the ltsp build
10:20	then try and boot the thin client?
10:21	the thin clients say "SMITH 64" chip on them
10:23	alkisg, do you mean insert the alternate cd into the thin client and try to boot with it?
10:23	<alkisg> Yes
10:23	<garymc> ok
10:24	yes the cd boots
10:25	<alkisg> Then you don't need --arch=i386
10:25	And also, if you had selected "install an ltsp server" when you installed the server, it would all work automatically
10:25	Now just go on with the: sudo ltsp-build-client
10:26	<garymc> i did that but it failed on certain parts
10:26	should I restar server after build?
10:26	*restart
10:27	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you only restart Linux servers for hardware upgrades.
10:27	<garymc> ok, well thin clients still wont boot
10:27	<alkisg> (01:26:44 μμ) garymc: i did that but it failed on certain parts
10:28	That would explain why clients won't boot
10:28	<garymc> im gonna re install with the LTSP server option
10:28	<alkisg> But when you see stuff failing, you should paste the output to pastebin
10:28	Otherwise we can't imagine what failed and why
10:28	<garymc> yeah i aint setup ssh yet
10:28	:S
10:28	<alkisg> ssh is a dependency of ltsp-server
10:28	So if you installed ltsp-server-standalone, you should also have ssh
10:28	<Hyperbyte> garymc, it's not gonna solve anything. You need to learn to provide information for us to solve this problem, else this troubleshooting we're doing isn't gonna work out.
10:30	Enabling a certain option during installation isn't some magical tool that will solve your problems. It just means the installer will run the two commands alkisg just gave you for you during install.
10:30	If something fails, you need to figure out why, and fix it. Not simply reinstall and pray it works next time.
10:32	So, set up SSH and show us the errors with ltsp-build-client.
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10:43	<garymc> im trying to sort ssh out
10:43	brb
10:44	<Hyperbyte> apt-get install openssh-server openssh-client ?
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11:12	<garymc> ok, i ran a fresh install selecting the LTSP option and it works fine. The only thing i need for this now is the Launchers that appear on everyones desktop
11:13	like I set a launcher in the shared folder thing and it appears on all desktops when people log in
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11:17	<tarzeau> what does the ldm backend rdesktop do, to get the sound working?
11:18	we want to use our own script, in a different virtual terminal, with fullscreen rdesktop windows server login (with the right domain preset)
11:18	<Hyperbyte> tarzeau, you don't use LTSP to log onto Linux clients?
11:19	If so, then you can put SOUND=False in lts.conf and it'll do absolutely nothing to get sound working. It isn't needed for rdesktop, since that'll just use the local soundcard.
11:19	<tarzeau> Hyperbyte: we use ltsp clients with ldm to login to two linux ltsp servers and one rdesktop windows server
11:19	Hyperbyte: aha so ltsp 5.2 doesn't do anything special to get rdesktop sound working
11:20	<Hyperbyte> No, but it does do special things to get regular LTSP Linux sound working over network.
11:20	It's just that rdesktop doesn't use that.
11:20	Any script you write to mess with sound configuration could break the LTSP Linux sound...
11:21	You could take a look in /usr/share/ltsp/ in the client chroot, so /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/
11:21	There are the scripts for setting sound and many other things, you can see exactly what it does there.
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11:23	<alkisg> (02:18:05 μμ) tarzeau: we want to use our own script, in a different virtual terminal, with fullscreen rdesktop windows server login (with the right domain preset) ==> why do you need your own script for that, instead of using the stock ltsp rdesktop script?
11:24	<tarzeau> alkisg: because the ldm login doesn't pick the right domain?
11:24	and logins fail, and users have to click switch user, after the first failed login, type the domain\username
11:25	<alkisg> tarzeau: what command line do you use for rdesktop?
11:25	Not in lts.conf. In standalone rdesktop.
11:26	<tarzeau> RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 32 -x 0x80 -z -P -r sound:local -k en-us -r disk:stick=/var/run/drives"
11:26	oh and usb sticks don't work either... probably wrong -r disk:stick stuff
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11:26	<alkisg> tarzeau: what I'm trying to say is this:
11:26	<tarzeau> we have a [wts_en} (windows terminal server, wheren SCREEN_08=rdesktop RDP_SERVER=ourwindowsserver
11:26	<alkisg> whatever parameters you'll pass to rdesktop from your script,
11:26	you can also put them in the ltsp rdesktop script
11:27	So I don't see how your script will manage to pass different parameters to rdesktop
11:27	<tarzeau> i see, where would the ltsp rdesktop script be? it's the settings in lts.conf ?
11:27	<alkisg> And what I'm asking you is, if you tried opening gnome-terminal, and running an `rdesktop params` command line that worked as you want
11:27	If so, you can then just put those params in lts.conf
11:28	If not, then what better could your script do?!
11:28	<tarzeau> ack
11:28	so ldm backend is configured wih lts.conf too? or somewhere else?
11:28	i probably just miss the -d ourad option
11:29	<alkisg> The ltsp rdesktop screen script is not related to ldm
11:29	You can have rdesktop on one screen (VT), and ldm in another
11:29	That's what you want, right?
11:29	Sound will work on both, with the default settings
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11:38	<garymc> ok, ssh failing because RSA host key
11:39	what am i doing wrong here
11:40	also i ran update manager and now thin clients dont boot
11:45	alkisg : I ran fresh install using LTSP option F4 and the thin clients were booting. I ran the update manager and now the thin clients wont boot
11:49	has everyone gone to lunch?
11:50	<alkisg> garymc: "the clients won't boot" isn't a helpful message
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11:53	<garymc> ok, its just back to were it was beforeNo DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were recieved
11:53	but it worked before I ran update manager
11:54	No DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were recieved - Reboot and select proper boot device
11:55	is what it says on thin clients
11:56	<alkisg> OK, now check your server. Did update-manager report any problems which you're not telling us?
11:57	<garymc> no
11:57	it all seemed to run fine
11:58	then said restart now or later so I restarted NOW
11:58	PXE-E51: No DHCP or proxyDHCP offers were recieved - Reboot and select proper boot device
11:58	<alkisg> OK. On your server, run: netstat -nap \| grep :67
11:58	<garymc> ok
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12:00	<garymc> it says this:
12:00	(Not all processes could be identified, non-owned process info will not be shown, you would have to be root to see it all.)
12:01	<alkisg> Now run: sudo service dhcp3-server start
12:01	<Hyperbyte> Ubuntu 11.04?
12:02	<garymc> *startin DHCP server dhcpd3
12:02	*check syslog for diagnostics. [FAIL]
12:02	<Hyperbyte> tail -n 20 /var/log/syslog
12:03	Paste all dhcp related messages on pastebin
12:03	Or better maybe grep dhcp /var/log/syslog
12:03	<TheMatrix3000_> hyperbyte, i don't get any error
12:04	it just starts right up
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12:04	<TheMatrix3000_> so i have to have a script to start gnome panel
12:04	how do i make a script that runs after the user logins to start gnome-panel
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12:05	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: delete ~/.xsession-errors for a user. Logout. Login. Paste it to pastebin.
12:05	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000_, gnome-panel should be started automatically.
12:05	<garymc> hyperbyte you talkion to me?
12:05	<Hyperbyte> You need to fix why it doesn't start, not work around the problem.
12:05	garymc, above, yes.
12:05	<TheMatrix3000_> k
12:06	<garymc> im havoing RSA key problems ssh'ing to the server
12:06	* Hyperbyte sighs.
12:07	<Hyperbyte> garymc, that's because you reinstalled for no apparent reason.
12:07	<garymc> :(
12:07	<Hyperbyte> Edit ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the lines containing your LTSP server IP and/or hostname.
12:08	<garymc> http://pastebin.com/7RVRPepy
12:08	<TheMatrix3000_> want me to send you the new .xsession-errors page
12:08	wait
12:08	it worked this time
12:08	it works then it doesn't work
12:08	how do i make it always work
12:08	<Hyperbyte> garymc: Sep 6 13:01:44 ubuntu64bit dhcpd: Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
12:09	<garymc> yeah i seen that Hyprerbyte, but why would it say this now?
12:09	or how do I fix
12:09	<Hyperbyte> garymc, what is the IP of your LTSP server?
12:09	<garymc> internel or externel?
12:09	<Hyperbyte> Internal
12:09	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: repeat the above step until you have an .xsession-errors that contains the problem:
12:09	(03:04:59 μμ) alkisg: TheMatrix3000_: delete ~/.xsession-errors for a user. Logout. Login. Paste it to pastebin.
12:10	<TheMatrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/mzYy43LZ
12:10	<garymc> ok only eth0 is showing now
12:10	eth1 isnt showing when i type ifconfig
12:10	<Hyperbyte> garymc, yeah, your internal network interface is down. Thanks to your pointless reinstall, you will now have to reconfigure your network interfaces.
12:10	:)
12:11	<garymc> jeez
12:11	how do i do that?
12:11	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you should've listened to alkisg's advice, rather than just do a reinstall after being explictly told it isn't needed.
12:12	It's very annoyed, and insulting even, to the people helping you, when you do that.
12:12	*annoying
12:12	<garymc> I had to ip out, so though a reinstall would be best as it would be done by the time i returned which it was, then problem solving (i thought may have been simpler)
12:12	*nip out
12:12	yes i see that now, i do appologise
12:13	i promise i will follow key for key if you will help me
12:13	:S
12:13	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: did that pastebin help?
12:13	<Hyperbyte> garymc, I think this is best done via the Gnome menu, System -> Network
12:13	<garymc> ok
12:14	<Hyperbyte> garymc, that's not the point - we will help you regardless, you don't need to promise anything. I was just pointing out that by not listening, you're wasting yours + our time. :)
12:14	<garymc> system > administration
12:14	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: no, it didn't help. Is that your complete .xsession-errors after experincing the problem?
12:14	<garymc> system > preferences ?
12:14	<TheMatrix3000_> yes
12:14	let me try again
12:14	<garymc> network connection or proxy
12:14	<Hyperbyte> garymc, that one.
12:15	Set up eth1 to use 192.168.0.1, mask 255.255.255.0
12:16	Then bring up the network interface, and try starting your dhcp server again.
12:16	<garymc> ok, iam failing to follow
12:17	<Hyperbyte> garymc, maybe you need another screen? It's under System -> Administration and it's about configuring network. I have a Dutch Gnome, it's called "Network assistant" here
12:18	<garymc> ive got system > admisitration > network tools
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12:20	<mgariepy> good morning everyone
12:21	<garymc> 192Hyperbyte, ok i added the ip like you say
12:21	Hyperbyte : ok i added the ip like you say
12:22	its not working
12:24	wow this is proper dreadful
12:24	<alkisg> Good morning mgariepy
12:24	<garymc> eth still doesnt show in ifconfig
12:24	*eht1
12:25	alkisg : do you have any idea why my eth1 has disapeared from ifconfig
12:26	<alkisg> garymc: follow Hyperbyte's advice. Wait if you have to, people here are at their jobs, they can't answer instantly.
12:26	<garymc> ok
12:26	i cant find that setting in my gnome
12:27	I followed the add ip address to eth1
12:27	and mask
12:27	then i typed ifup eth1
12:27	and it said eth1 already configured
12:27	i then tried to restart dhcp and it failed gain
12:28	*again
12:28	:(
12:28	<TheMatrix3000_> wow i hate this stuff
12:28	it just started working agian
12:28	its so random
12:29	<alkisg> Probably some race condition then.
12:30	TheMatrix3000_: here's a silly thought: create a /usr/local/bin/gnome-panel, that does: #!/bin/sh; sleep 5; exec /usr/bin/gnome-panel "$@"
12:30	And see if that solves your problem
12:30	(chmod +x it too)
12:30	Ping me if you need more detailed instructions for that
12:30	<garymc> i just typed sudo ifdown eth1
12:30	<alkisg> (that's in the chroot, btw)
12:30	<garymc> then sudo ifup eth1 and it shows now in ifconfig
12:31	but clients still wont boot
12:31	:(
12:32	i done dhcp start
12:32	and it seems to start ok
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12:34	<mrcarrot> a really strange thing started to happen in debian squeeze running ltsp. when i am login in, the only thing i get is a black screen and the busy mouse cursor. no desktop
12:34	if i choose twm instead of gnome, i get into twm, but still the busy mouse cursor not disappearing
12:35	i can not exit from twm either
12:35	in each case i had to kill all user processes to continue
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12:39	<Hyperbyte> mrcarrot, I don't know anything about Debian, but anything in the logs? Also, what you have changed/upgraded recently that could cause this problem to appear?
12:40	garymc, okay. So what does "clients still won't boot" mean? They still don't get a DHCP address?
12:40	<garymc> same thing
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12:40	<Hyperbyte> garymc, netstat -lpn \| grep :67 on the server
12:41	<garymc> i just re started server again
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12:41	<garymc> but looks like eth1 has been knocked offline again with the server reboot, which shouldnt happen should it?
12:42	<Hyperbyte> garymc, yes, it should, because you never configured it!
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12:42	<Hyperbyte> Why did you reboot?
12:42	<garymc> ok
12:43	so should i do the netstat grep thing anyway?
12:43	<Hyperbyte> Well, you've rebooted now.
12:43	So start over.
12:43	Configure eth1 in system -> administration -> network
12:43	<garymc> :(
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12:44	<Hyperbyte> See if there's something to enable it on boot, there should be.
12:44	Also you should be able to enable it from there, to start it immediately
12:44	<garymc> i dont have the system > administration > network
12:44	<Hyperbyte> Something called like it?
12:45	Network... something?
12:45	<garymc> netwokr tools but its for pinging and stuff like that
12:46	<Hyperbyte> Really?
12:46	<garymc> if i goto preferences > ihave network connection
12:46	and
12:46	<Hyperbyte> There's no device configuration in there?
12:46	<mrcarrot> nothing in the log files
12:46	<garymc> a network proxy option
12:46	not in administraion netwrok tools...no
12:47	<Hyperbyte> garymc, can you make screenshots?
12:47	And upload them?
12:47	<bobapple> garymc: what about system-config-network ?
12:47	<garymc> ive only got system> preferneces
12:47	or system> administration
12:48	<bobapple> no, it's a command
12:48	<Hyperbyte> garymc, fine, go with the system -> preferences one
12:48	<bobapple> you have to type into your terminal: system-config-network
12:48	<Hyperbyte> What does it say there?
12:49	<TheMatrix3000_> hey
12:49	<garymc> bobapple : that doesnt work
12:49	<TheMatrix3000_> i think i found one log that helps
12:49	http://pastebin.com/tszUdpD8
12:49	<Hyperbyte> garymc!
12:49	System -> Preferences -> Network Connections
12:49	Click 'eth1'
12:49	Click 'Edit'
12:49	<garymc> system > preferences> ok
12:49	<Hyperbyte> Check 'Connect automatically'
12:49	IPv4 setting
12:50	Manual
12:50	<garymc> connect auto already checked
12:50	<Hyperbyte> Add address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0, no gateway
12:51	<garymc> ok done that
12:51	<Hyperbyte> Okay, now pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
12:52	<garymc> it wont let me apply those changes
12:52	<Hyperbyte> Are you logged in as root?
12:52	<garymc> should i add it to routes?
12:52	the ip and mask that is
12:52	<Hyperbyte> 14:52 <Hyperbyte> Are you logged in as root?
12:53	<garymc> i setup gary as main user
12:53	<Hyperbyte> Log out
12:53	Log in as root
12:53	Repeat above steps.
12:53	Make sure everything is set like I tell you
12:53	<garymc> i type user root
12:54	and it fails to authenticate
12:54	<Hyperbyte> :(
12:54	I hate Ubuntu's network manager.
12:54	<garymc> isnt there another way
12:55	<Hyperbyte> garymc, follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager0.7
12:56	Set up your external interface with DHCP and your internal interface as static 192.168.0.1 / 255.255.255.0
12:56	When you're done, let me know. :)
12:57	If you run into problems or need help with that guide, go to #ubuntu
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12:57	<garymc> fail
12:57	<Hyperbyte> And don't do anymore silly reinstalls when one thing doesn't work. Thanks.
12:58	<garymc> looks like ill be pluggin old server back in
12:58	<Hyperbyte> Fail?
12:58	<garymc> i cant even ssh to this damn machine
12:58	<Hyperbyte> Because you haven't enabled the network?
12:58	<garymc> so ive got my laptop in the server room trying to work two keyboards in a tiny space
12:58	im proper pissed now
12:58	<Hyperbyte> garymc, so configure the network.
12:58	<garymc> no RSA key fails
12:59	so you say, but i cant get it to wokr
12:59	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you've just concluded eth1 is down - your local network interface is down. How on earth are you expecting to connect to it over the local network?
12:59	<garymc> ill try and follow that document, but it was never this hard last time
12:59	<Hyperbyte> garymc, that guide I just gave you has worked for millions of people. It will work for you. Just read the entire guide please, before you start, understand the material
13:00	You can do this from the comfort of your office
13:00	And when you know what you need to do, go back to the tiny server room and do it.
13:00	<garymc> ok
13:00	thanks
13:02	<bobapple> wondering how you got your first server working without doing the network setup
13:06	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/tszUdpD8
13:07	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: i don't think that's a fresh .xsession-errors
13:07	It says about pidgin etc, so it's not the problem from a session start where gnome-panel doesn't start
13:08	Delete .xsession-errors each time before login, so that you have a clean one with only the relevant errors
13:09	TheMatrix3000_: also, it's possible that sabayon messes with your gnome-panel
13:09	Try uninstalling it temporarily
13:09	It's been known to have serious problems over time. At a point sbalneav revived it a bit, but it's code is still a mess.
13:10	Did you try the "sleep" thing?
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13:12	<garymc> Hyperbyte : that guide isnt helping me
13:13	<TheMatrix3000_> whats the sleep thing?
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13:13	<garymc> please ther emust be another way
13:14	eth1 just isnt being configured
13:14	why the hell is this happening
13:14	;(
13:14	<TheMatrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/AGky6EH5
13:15	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: read above, I proposed that you created a script with a sleep command
13:15	TheMatrix3000_: is that a clean .xsession-errors from a client that had the problem at that specific logon?
13:16	<TheMatrix3000_> so create a new gnome-panel file?
13:18	it happens on fat clients, sabayon isn't installed on fat clients
13:18	i removed it from the server anyways
13:19	<Hyperbyte> garymc, the guide isn't helping you, how come?
13:19	<garymc> cos its the same stuff me and you went through
13:19	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you or I must've missed something.
13:19	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: basically make a file "/usr/local/bin/gnome-panel
13:19	and post in it #!/bin/sh; sleep 5; exec /usr/bin/gnome-panel "$@"
13:19	right
13:19	and then rebuild the image?
13:19	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: in separate lines, and in the chroot
13:19	<garymc> i configured the same type of thing last year and i never had to do any of this
13:19	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: and chmod +x it
13:20	<Hyperbyte> garymc, also see 'd' under the FAQ.
13:20	garymc, it has changed considerably between 11.04 and previous Ubuntu's I've been told.
13:20	<TheMatrix3000_> leave or remove the :
13:20	; i mean
13:21	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000_, replace the ; with enters.
13:21	<TheMatrix3000_> so it looks like this http://pastebin.com/4wSykWnv
13:21	<alkisg> Yes
13:21	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000_, no
13:21	<alkisg> Remember to run chmod +x that file
13:21	<Hyperbyte> Your raw paste data looks weird?
13:22	<alkisg> Ah, the 5 is below
13:22	<Hyperbyte> Or is it me?
13:22	<alkisg> It needs to be on the same line
13:22	sleep 5
13:22	<Hyperbyte> And #!/bin/sh
13:22	<alkisg> I see that ok...
13:22	<TheMatrix3000_> so it needs to be #!/bin/sh sleep5?
13:22	<alkisg> #!/bin/sh
13:22	sleep 5
13:22	<TheMatrix3000_> it is
13:22	<alkisg> exec /usr/bin/gnome-panel "$@"
13:22	<TheMatrix3000_> http://pastebin.com/4wSykWnv
13:22	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000_, there is an insane amount of spaces after the lines in your script.
13:22	<alkisg> Just 3 lines
13:23	Ah, indeed
13:23	<Hyperbyte> That's what causing the confusion here.
13:23	<TheMatrix3000_> ah
13:23	haha
13:23	wow
13:23	<Hyperbyte> Remove those. :)
13:23	<TheMatrix3000_> you were right
13:23	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: you can also test live
13:23	I.e. do it on a client without rebuilding image
13:23	And then logoff/logon
13:23	<TheMatrix3000_> how?
13:24	<alkisg> !SCREEN_02
13:24	<ltsp> alkisg: SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
13:24	<alkisg> This will give you a root shell where you can create the script
13:24	The purpose of the sleep is to test if it's indeed a race condition, perhaps with sabayon
13:25	You can also try to uninstall sabayon on your live fat session
13:25	Again from SCREEN_02
13:25	And then logoff/logon and test, without rebooting the client
13:25	Because if you reboot it, all the changes will be lost
13:27	<garymc> alkisg im sure you helped me last year at some point to get this up and running, any ideas on what the hell im doing wrong?
13:28	<alkisg> garymc: I don't think I have enough patience to help you through this again, so your best option is to accept Hyperbyte's help :)
13:28	<Hyperbyte> 15:20 <Hyperbyte> garymc, also see 'd' under the FAQ.
13:29	<garymc> yeah but doing this in the GNOME doesnt make sense, as its crap
13:29	<Hyperbyte> garymc, Gnome is crap?
13:29	<garymc> well the network interface settings seem to be
13:29	as they are not working, and we both and the guide have differnt looking screens
13:30	<Hyperbyte> Well for starters I have good news for you. The network interface settings are not part of Gnome, they're a different application.
13:31	Secondly, the GUI utility is much handier for beginners than doing NetworkManager configuration by hand.
13:32	And finally, what do you mean with "different looking screens"?
13:32	<alkisg> The alternate cd automatically configures /etc/network/interfaces, so to use network manager, you'll need to remove the eth1 line from interfaces
13:33	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, yeah, but that's under section 'd' of the FAQ, which I pointed him to. And he said the guide wasn't helping.
13:33	So that can't be it. :)
13:33	<alkisg> Haha agreed :D
13:33	<TheMatrix3000_> ok, time to test for people i guess
13:33	just have them log out and log back in?
13:34	<alkisg> Yes
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13:34	<TheMatrix3000_> k
13:34	<Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000_, wait! Take your kevlar with you!
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13:34	<Hyperbyte> Or do your users not mind logging out/in? ;-)
13:35	<Dantix> morning! all
13:35	<Hyperbyte> Good afternoon. ;-)
13:39	<Dantix> Today I wanted to login at my ltsp session as usual, but I can't login. I'm into a loop, fill user/password, the screen comes black and flash a message "[OK ] invalid card number" and comes back to login screen. Where can I start to troubleshoot this issue from? I've just check logs at server, with no luck, all I've saw gives me the idea the client don't want to follow with the login process.
13:39	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: that did not work
13:39	and now i have a better system
13:40	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, try running ssh user@server from a root shell on the thin client
13:40	<garymc> hyperbyte im commenting out those lines now
13:40	<Hyperbyte> !SCREEN_02 \| echo Dantix
13:40	<ltsp> Dantix SCREEN_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
13:40	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, where 'user', naturally, is your preferred username. :)
13:41	garymc, you may want to reboot afterwards, and run the network manager configuration again, see if it behaves differently.
13:42	<garymc> i have
13:42	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: checking your advice, thanks
13:42	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/7sxhu4Pw
13:42	<garymc> the NM in the top bar shows eth0 and eth1
13:42	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: that is a clean copy of a system that encountered the error
13:42	<garymc> and says eth1 is disconnected
13:42	honestly those guides arnt helping me
13:42	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: which was a user that gnome-panel did not open
13:42	<Hyperbyte> garymc, there is a cable plugged into the network card, right?
13:43	<garymc> ofcoarse
13:43	yes
13:43	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: Sabayon is uninstalled, and I applied the sleep script
13:43	<garymc> maybe its broken
13:43	just now
13:43	<Hyperbyte> garymc, will you check again, see that the lights are turned on on the network card?
13:43	garymc, I doubt that.
13:44	<TheMatrix3000_> nvm, wrong copy
13:45	<garymc> yes all lights are showing, i just moved the switch end to another port incase the port has gone faulty
13:45	which i doubt
13:45	<Hyperbyte> garymc, so you followed the NetworkManager guide exactly?
13:45	<garymc> yes
13:46	all i can do is a reinstall, not use update manager and see if it wokrs again
13:46	<Hyperbyte> garymc, no
13:46	garymc, don't go there please.
13:46	<TheMatrix3000_> Hyperbyte: ok, finally here is the correct pastebin from a clean login, in which gnome-panel did not come up, this is after I applied the fix http://pastebin.com/f2xfp6mA
13:47	<garymc> hyperbyts, but it worked before i ran update manager
13:47	<Hyperbyte> garymc, so?
13:47	You're gonna run Ubuntu, without updates? Then you get hacked, your system breaks, and you have much bigger problems than now.
13:47	Not a solution.
13:48	FIX this problem, don't reinstall everytime out of frustration, you never get anywhere with that.
13:48	You mentioned earlier that your Network Manager screens looks different than the ones in the guide. What's different about them?
13:48	<garymc> but i cant fix it, i know your trying your best,
13:48	no tmuch, mine show ipv6 and some other settings
13:49	<Hyperbyte> Okay, so nothing significant.
13:49	And you are running Ubuntu 11.04, right?
13:49	<garymc> im not even sure what version it is
13:49	where can i see that?
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13:49	<garymc> i downloaded the latest version
13:50	<Hyperbyte> cat /etc/issue
13:50	or cat /etc/lsb-release
13:50	Should be 11.04, Natty.
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13:51	<Blinny> Can I safely remove networkmanager from my LTSP servers? I found today that it is somehow blocking my NIS client daemon (running on my LTSP server) from binding to the NIS server. Is networkmanager required for an LTSP server or can I kick it to the curb?
13:51	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, I've been told NetworkManager is best as it's new Ubuntu default.
13:52	Blinny, but I've used NetworkManager + NIS client succesfully before. How is it blocking the NIS client?
13:52	<Blinny> Not sure I follow. Are you saying networkmanager != NetworkManager ?
13:53	<garymc> 10.04.3
13:53	is the version
13:53	<Blinny> I'm not entirely sure. This is a production server so I was scrambling to get things back and going as quickly as possible. Across two reboots and NIS troubleshooting I 'service networkmanager stop'd and suddenly ypbind started working.
13:54	<garymc> Hyperbyte 10.04.3
13:55	<Hyperbyte> garymc, should work with that guide I gave.
13:56	<garymc> the guide i have followed to no avail
13:58	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, so how come you have suddenly switched to networkmanager on a production server?
13:58	<Blinny> I wasn't aware I did. The big elephant in the room is a recent Hardy->Lucid upgrade.
13:59	<garymc> hyperbyte, yep folowed it and it not working
13:59	i really dont understand
13:59	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, then it's probably a problem with NIS not being configured properly. What I read from bug reports is that NIS after an upgrade is trying to start before the network is up.
14:00	Apparently "dpkg-reconfigure nis" might fix it
14:00	<Blinny> That would make sense if it came back after a manual NIS restart. But it doesn't.
14:00	(Unless there is network management going on in the NIS init scripts)
14:00	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, what are the errors?
14:00	<Blinny> Failure to bind to the remote server.
14:01	(not literal text)
14:01	<garymc> is there a better version of LTSP I can try install that works more out of the box?
14:01	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, there must be more in the logs. Check /var/log/syslog
14:01	<Blinny> garymc: Check out Ubuntu, Debian, and Fedora for awesome integration.
14:02	It never bound, so it never got so far as to log anything.
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14:02	<Blinny> After working on it for an hour or so, the first yp* log entry is after successful startup.
14:02	<Hyperbyte> garymc, can you make screenshots?
14:03	<garymc> not on the server
14:03	<Hyperbyte> garymc, why not?
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14:03	<garymc> well i probaly can , but its very tight and noisy in there which is why i work with ssh but for some reason i cant get that to work either
14:03	i think i need a jug of coffee
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14:04	<garymc> my head is battered
14:04	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you need to take a break. And you need to grab the server, and take it somewhere you can work on it properly.
14:04	Because this isn't working.
14:05	Just put it on your desk, attach screen and keyboard/mouse. And sit on it.
14:05	<pscheie> jammcq, pong
14:05	<garymc> it wont have any connections to networks then
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14:06	<Hyperbyte> garymc, so?
14:06	You can easily connect one thin client with a cross cable, and test.
14:06	<garymc> well how the hell would I get fix the network connections
14:06	oh
14:06	why would update manager break it?
14:06	<Hyperbyte> garymc, you don't need network connections for an interface to have an IP address in Linux.
14:07	<garymc> i cant sit it on my desk as I have other workers around me who are on phones
14:07	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: thank your advice I could check the log files at client, the weird appears at kernel.log saying: NBD9: unknown partition table
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14:07	<Dantix> NBD_DISCONNECT
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14:08	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: That was a result of starting network-manager. If I 'service network-manager start' then restart NIS, it won't bind to the YP server. If I stop network-manager, it binds up just find.
14:08	:s;find;fine
14:08	<Hyperbyte> garymc, well, what do you want from me?! You're saying you can't follow my guide properly because your server room is too small, you can't move your server because your office is too noisy... what part exactly do you want me to play in this?
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14:09	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, when network manager is stopped, type 'ifconfig', then start network manager and type 'ifconfig' again. Any differences?
14:10	Dantix, hrm... this is one alkisg can answer better, but I believe ltsp-update-image --force should fix this
14:10	<alkisg> Dantix: ignore the message about nbd9, it's normal
14:10	(i haven't read the rest of the chat)
14:11	<Hyperbyte> Dantix: but wait a second, I asked you to type 'ssh user@host' on SCREEN_02... what happened there?
14:11	<alkisg> At that point, there's a check to see if a newer nbd image is there, to prompt the users to reboot
14:11	<Hyperbyte> Actually user@server.
14:11	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: No difference in the ifconfigs
14:12	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, do the same with /etc/resolv.conf
14:12	Network Manager changes something in the network configuration that NIS doesn't like. You just have to find out what.
14:12	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: Identical.
14:13	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: yes I did that and could login flawlessly
14:13	<Blinny> Interestingly, this just came about today. The upgrade (and many reboots) was performed two weeks ago.
14:13	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, unfortunately, I don't use NIS anymore. But check /etc/init.d/nis file, under 'start'... see what command it does
14:13	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: Thanks, will go through it.
14:13	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, run that command manually, rather than via 'service'... it'll spit out more info probably.
14:13	<Blinny> But the crux is that one need NetworkManager running on an LTSP server?
14:14	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, flawlessly? You didn't get a warning about host keys?
14:14	<Dantix> Remember now, I've installed neatx a week ago. Could be this change the couse?
14:14	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, well, no. LTSP and network configuration have nothing to do with eachother. But Network Manager will keep haunting you probably, somehow. It's the new preferred way of configuring the network.
14:15	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: nop, just the header Ubuntu 11.04 shows normally at login.
14:15	<Blinny> Goddamn wireless. I prefer just editing the interfaces file.
14:16	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, me too actually...
14:16	Dantix, okay. Put LDM_DEBUG=True in your lts.conf file, reboot a client, and use SCREEN_02 to check /var/log/ldm.log
14:17	Dantix, you also typed 'ssh <user>@server', right? As in, the word 'server', literally?
14:17	And <user> replaced with username.
14:18	<alkisg> Hyperbyte - sorry for the interruption, Dantix: do you get a success entry in the server /var/log/auth.log every time you try to login to a thin client?
14:18	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, please do.
14:18	:)
14:18	<alkisg> If so, it might be a problem with X crashing
14:18	(e.g. compiz)
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14:19	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: nop, I've typed dante@10.0.0.2
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14:19	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, no good. :) Needs to be @server. And if you typed @10.0.0.2 it -should- have warned about keys and said are you sure you want to connect.
14:20	<Dantix> alkisg: yes and after that a client disconnect.
14:20	<Hyperbyte> But go with alkisg's idea. :)
14:20	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: i'll try with @server
14:20	<alkisg> Dantix: so it's not an ldm/ssh problem, if you get an auth.log entry
14:20	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, nah, go with the Oracle's guidance.
14:20	* Hyperbyte points at alkisg
14:20	<alkisg> !compiz
14:20	<ltsp> alkisg: compiz: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
14:20	<garymc> hyperbyte im gonna install chatzilla on server firefox browser
14:21	<alkisg> Dantix: see !disable_compiz
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14:21	<Hyperbyte> garymc, do what you must. Also, check #ubuntu. I'll be going soon, and in #ubuntu there's much more knowledged people about network manager.
14:21	<Blinny> Grr.
14:22	<garymc> ok thanks
14:23	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: Barely related question: If a computer is both a NIS slave and NIS client, why does it not serve requests even when the NIS master is unreachable? Isn't the point of having a slave so that it answers when the master is unavailable?
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14:25	<Dantix> alkisg: sorry by my ignorance but, where I must see for !disable_compiz?
14:25	<alkisg> !disable_compiz \| echo Dantix
14:25	<ltsp> Dantix disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
14:26	<alkisg> Just run that command on the server, and then try to login on the clients
14:27	<Dantix> how! Sirs! that's knowing, thanks again
14:27	<alkisg> it's working now?
14:28	<Dantix> rebooting client
14:28	<alkisg> No need to reboot
14:28	Just logoff/logon
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14:30	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, yes, that's exactly the point of a NIS slave. Perhaps the NIS client isn't asking the right server.
14:31	<Dantix> alkisg: nop, the same. Fill username and password, do a little flash on terminal screen showing "Invalid card number" and returns to login screen (gdm)
14:31	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, I've recently replaced NIS with LDAP (or actually Fedora 389 Directory Server)... it gave me quite a bit of headache to set up, but definitely no regrets. :)
14:32	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: I tried that once before and swore I'd never do it again.
14:32	<garymc> could my Network card on the server be screwed?
14:32	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, hahah... why? :-)
14:32	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: It was a helluva few days - talk about a trial by fire.
14:32	<alkisg> Dantix: delee ~/.xsession-errors for a user, then try to login, and then put the .xsession-errors file to pastebin
14:33	!pastebin
14:33	<ltsp> alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
14:33	<Blinny> I should've done it on a test server first, rather than diving right in on a weekend.
14:33	alkisg: Maybe nomodeset for Dantix?
14:33	<Hyperbyte> Blinny, heh... same here... I did it in a production environment too, during workdays. :) But I still had NIS working, for a time I had both NIS and LDAP working and then I just killed NIS.
14:34	<alkisg> Blinny, yeah, he could also try that...
14:34	!nomodeset \| echo Dantix:
14:34	<ltsp> Dantix: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
14:34	<Hyperbyte> Fedora 389 Directory Server is quite a nice piece of software though
14:35	<Blinny> Hyperbyte: Don't suppose they package a .deb huh ;)
14:35	<Dantix> ltsp: but this isn't a new installation. This is working for weeks and I'm not changed anything but the installation of neatx server..
14:36	<Blinny> Well I'll be damned there is.
14:37	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, 'ltsp' is a bot. :) It reacted to the ! command alkisg gave it.
14:37	<Dantix> Hyperbyte: aps, silly me
14:38	Sirs, my .xsession-errors http://pastebin.com/t4iTBmDa
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14:41	<Hyperbyte> Dantix, looks like a problem with remote X
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14:41	<alkisg> If you purge neatx, does it work then?
14:42	<Dantix> not tryed that
14:42	I'll uninstall, try to login again and come back with news
14:43	<alkisg> Except for `apt-get install neatx`, did you update/upgrade/install any other packages, or manually changed configuration files?
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14:45	<Dantix> probably updated, synaptics frecuently ask me for install updates and answered yes to it
14:45	<TheMatrix3000_> sorry was away for a minute
14:45	<alkisg> Which ppa did ou add for freenx?
14:45	*neatx?
14:45	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: did you get my .xsession errors from earlier
14:46	<Dantix> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
14:46	deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
14:47	<alkisg> TheMatrix3000_: try disabling compiz
14:47	!disable_compiz
14:47	<ltsp> alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
14:48	<alkisg> That on the live chroot
14:48	From screen_+02 again
14:48	Then logoff/logon, without rebooting the client
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14:50	<Dantix> uninstalling neatx doesn't resolve the issue, trying to disable compiz from screen_02
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14:51	<alkisg> Dantix: no, that advice was for TheMatrix3000_, not for you
14:51	You said that you already tried disabling compiz, so that wasn't your problem
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14:54	<Dantix> alkisg: right
15:01	<TheMatrix3000_> I wish there was a way that I could just run gnome-panel after a user logs in
15:01	regardless
15:01	cause that would work
15:01	<alkisg> Sure there is, put a script in /etc/xdg/autostart in the chroot
15:02	With "sleep 5; gnome-panel" in it
15:02	<TheMatrix3000_> ah ok
15:02	basically the same you sent me before right
15:02	<alkisg> Something like that, google about /etc/xdg/autostart, you'll also need a .desktop file for it
15:02	* alkisg goes back to work...
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15:03	<Dantix> just an idea from who have poor knowing about ltsp, taking in count I've installed neatx that redirects DISPLAY to the remote client, sould be ltsp i "remembering" the DISPLAY of my last neatx connection and trying to use it and of course can not open display:
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15:07	<TheMatrix3000_> alkisg: ok, think I have it now, made a .desktop file to autostart /usr/local/bin/gnome-panel
15:08	<Dantix> I isse echo $DISPLAY on the screen_02 of the client and it's blank, is that right?
15:08	!restore_compiz \| Dantix:
15:08	<ltsp> Dantix: Error: "Dantix:" is not a valid command.
15:09	<Dantix> !restore_compiz
15:09	<ltsp> Dantix: restore_compiz: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components
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15:20	<garymc> alkisg : could my power edge server be setup wrong in bios. I.e messing with one of the NIC slots?
15:20	cos i just cant get it working
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15:23	<Blinny> garymc: Throw another NIC in there and see.
15:23	garymc: Is the nic listed at all with ifconfig ? Could it be assigned another number due to udev nic persistence rules?
15:24	<garymc> it only shows if i do ifdown eth1
15:24	then ifup eth1
15:24	it will show but not work correctly
15:24	ive been on this all day
15:24	<Blinny> Wouldn't it take 5 minutes to replace the NIC, then you'd be sure?
15:25	NICs go bad.
15:25	<garymc> never replaced one
15:26	especialy on a rack server
15:26	can i use any old nic
15:28	<Blinny> Depends on the slot size
15:31	<garymc> theuy are built into the server
15:31	cant remove them without strippin the whole machine
15:31	<alkisg> garymc: ifconfig -a
15:31	If that lists your card, then it's ok
15:32	<garymc> ok ill check now
15:32	will 32bit run on 64bit machine?
15:32	<alkisg> Yes
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15:34	<garymc> ive reverted to trying to install the old 32bit softwar ei used originaly and if it works then i know its not the NIC, but i could have checked that with your command there if i would have known
15:34	:S
15:35	<alkisg> As Hyperbyte told you several times, formatting in the middle of troubleshooting usually doesn't help much :)
15:39	<TheMatrix3000_> putting a .desktop file worked
15:40	<garymc> alkisg now i installed old 32bit the thin clients boot
15:40	<alkisg> They booted before, too - until you updated :)
15:40	<garymc> yeah , but i did a reinstall and tried to replicate and they wouldnt boot
15:41	you where saying if i put the disk in the thin client and it boots they are 64 bit machines
15:42	is it possible they are 32 bit machines afterall?
15:42	<alkisg> No, because you said you tried it, and they booted
15:42	<garymc> well it came up with the install menu
15:42	if that is booted
15:43	<alkisg> You also said that after ltsp-build-client, they booted with an amd64 chroot, before doing the updade which broke your setup
15:43	Anyway, back to work... bbl
15:43	<garymc> done that much i cant remeber
15:43	shit
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16:02	<Dantix> I'm still trying to login, there is news, tried with other user on same station and works fine. What could be at user profile that could produce the "Cannot open display:" error?
16:04	<markit> hi, any (easy) way to tell if a client has booted as fat or thin?
16:05	<alkisg> markit: open a terminal and see if it says markit@server or markit@ltsp123
16:06	<markit> it says markit@ltsp123
16:06	<alkisg> Then it's fat
16:06	<markit> so is FAT, wow
16:06	thanks a lot alkisg :)
16:06	(with wrong keyboard settings... will try to fix in chroot)
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16:07	<alkisg> Dantix: if you create a completely new user, can he log in?
16:12	<markit> alkisg: with thin client, # slay markit would have terminated markit session... with fat after slay nothing happens
16:12	how can then "kick off" an user?
16:15	<Dantix> alkisg: yes
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16:17	<markit> mmm is on a underpowered kvm virtualization server, but login (KDE start after authentication) seems slow like hell even at the second login... and net blinks slowly
16:18	<Dantix> alkisg: besides, the new user's desktop have the new ubiquity desktop. On the user with problems I have older fashioned desktop.
16:25	<markit> mmm fat clients sees his own /srv/, not the server one (I put shared content there), any way to see server's /srv?
16:25	(instead)
16:27	<TheMatrix3000_> so, termporarily a .desktop file worked
16:27	what does _IceTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.ICE-unix will not be created. mean
16:28	I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/gcritchfield/.compiz/session/10fbcdda1ddaa60277131531631918529000000014860025"
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16:31	<Dantix> resolved! just renamed /home/usuario and could login, then copied all my files now I can login flawlessly from thin client an nx client. Thanks a lot for your help!
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16:34	<alkisg> markit: Try LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/srv
16:35	markit: you can kick off users from sch-scripts :)
16:35	You can't kick them from the server in the default installation
16:35	You need some method to access the fat client, e.g. sch-scripts, italc, ssh etc
16:35	<markit> I see
16:36	btw, I have now lts.conf ltsp_chroot and ltsp_fat_chroot
16:36	<alkisg> ?
16:36	<markit> what to edit for that key value?
16:36	under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/
16:36	<alkisg> You don't need to ever deal with ltsp_chroot and ltsp_fat_chroot
16:36	<markit> yes /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
16:36	I forgot :(
16:37	<alkisg> Ignore them
16:37	<markit> thanks
16:37	* markit too tired, too few sleep and too much stress (and too old maybe for this stuff)
16:37	<alkisg> Edit /var/lib/etc etc/lts.conf, yeah
16:37	<Dantix> o/ bye
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16:48	<markit> alkisg:
16:48	# cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
16:48	[general]
16:48	LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/srv
16:48	then I rebooted the fat
16:48	but can't see the files on the server's /srv
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16:50	<alkisg> Is there such a directory on the client?
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16:51	<markit> in the chroot you mean? or with client booted? yes in both cases
16:51	I can see /srv but is empty
16:51	while server /srv has one test file
16:51	all permissions are 777
16:51	(dir and file)
16:53	http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39706.html
16:53	maybe is a bug?
16:54	(seems related but not the same task)
16:54	<alkisg> From the client, run: getltscfg -a, and put the result to pastebin
16:56	<markit> mmm I've not yet intenet working, let me set packet forwarding too, hold on
16:56	<alkisg> You can scp it to the server
16:56	<markit> emh, easy, is empty
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16:56	<alkisg> Hehe, then the client didn't pick up your lts.conf settings
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16:57	<markit> permissions are -rw-r--r--
16:58	no image rebuild necessary, AFAIR, just rebooted the fat client
16:58	<alkisg> On the client: cat /etc/lts.conf
16:58	<markit> arg
16:58	g
16:58	<alkisg> Is that your lts.conf?
16:58	<markit> I've wrote [general]
16:59	and not [default]
16:59	could it be the problem?
16:59	<alkisg> Yup :)
16:59	<markit> google + copy and paste can hurt a lot sometime ;P
16:59	you are a great troubleshooter my friend
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17:07	<markit> well, the ltsp server is a kvm vm, the "fat client" is an atom, but ldm login is reached in a snap, while have the full KDE desktop is slow like hell
17:07	I'll try with real hardware this weekend
17:08	<alkisg> And if you boot the client with a usb stick or with an external disk, KDE is fast?
17:09	<markit> on this netbook I've kubuntu on hd, and is fast (much much faster)
17:09	<alkisg> What's the network speed between server and client? You can measure it e.g. with netperf
17:09	<markit> eth seems to blink not very fast... easy tool to measure bandwidth usage from shell?
17:09	<alkisg> iperf or netperf
17:10	<markit> oh, I will try later , should be 100Mbs
17:10	<alkisg> With 100 mbps it should be fast, though
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17:11	<markit> anything simple like a htop for networks?
17:12	<alkisg> iftop
17:12	But running iperf is much more reliable
17:12	<markit> great, ntop installs tons of stuff
17:12	<alkisg> iperf -s on the server, iperf -c on the client
17:13	<markit> wow, /srv/test.txt found!!! you are a genious :)
17:13	really, without you I would have give up long time ago
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17:17	<markit> I've to run now, I'll try iperf later, thanks a lot
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17:45	<Matrix3000> back
17:45	and even more secure than ever
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19:00	<Matrix3000> where would i find errors that are causing people to be randomly logged out
19:00	under ltsp
19:01	<alkisg> distro/version?
19:03	<Matrix3000> 11.04
19:04	<alkisg> No idea, maybe ~/.xsession-errors, or the /var/log/* files on the server
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19:12	<Matrix3000> damn firefox sucks
19:12	<garymc> alkisg i installed 32 bit version of ubuntu ltsp 9
19:12	worked fine until i upgraded to 10.4.3
19:13	<Matrix3000> i have 15 people using 400mb each ram cause of firefox
19:13	<garymc> so thre must be an issue somewher
19:14	anyone know of any known config issues with ubuntu ltsp 10.4.3 and pxe boot?
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19:36	<garymc> if anyone could point me in right direction that would be great
19:38	<Matrix3000> what would cause this to happen randomly
19:38	http://pastebin.com/YmJCNkqR
19:38	<Gadi> garymc: check your config files for tftp and see if it was changed to /srv/tftpboot (from /var/lib/tftpboot)
19:38	garymc: look in /etc/default
19:39	<garymc> how do i know?
19:39	<Gadi> grep -R srv /etc/default
19:40	<garymc> if it is how do i change it back
19:41	<Hyperbyte> garymc, so you've gotten networking working?
19:44	<Gadi> garymc: edit the file and restart the service
19:44	<Matrix3000> here's my issue from earlier, this time with a gnome-panel.desktop in the xdg folder
19:44	http://pastebin.com/FTmpKbeF
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19:56	<Matrix3000> !disable-compiz
19:56	<ltsp> Matrix3000: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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20:01	<Matrix3000> if only i can make fat clients use a hard drive lol
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20:03	<TheMatrix3000> hi
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20:12	<TheMatrix3000> !disable_compiz
20:12	<ltsp> TheMatrix3000: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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21:00	<TheMatrix3000> I hit 73 LTSP users today
21:00	And then people started randomly getting logged off.
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21:34	<garymc> everyone gone now?
21:34	Hyperbyte : I had a discovery, every version before 10.4.3 works
21:35	as soon as it upgrades to 10.4.3 the thin clients stop booting
21:35	and i cant discover how to get them going again
21:40	<alkisg> Directly install 10.04 without upgrading from 9.x?
21:40	<garymc> alkisg : I already done that, thats why I went back to older version to see if it worked
21:40	<alkisg> And why it didn't work?
21:41	The first time, you didn't install ltsp at all... the other times?
21:41	<garymc> why didnt to fresh install of 10.4.3?
21:41	*the
21:41	<alkisg> Yes, why the 10.04 didn't work?
21:41	<garymc> I dont know
21:41	thats why im in here, trying to discover why
21:41	<alkisg> But you keep formatting instead of troubleshooting
21:41	<garymc> im a newbie, i know, but thought it would be out the box simples
21:42	<alkisg> If you wanna hear my advice, install 10.04 one last time, and stick with it
21:42	Don't reformat after that
21:42	And, if you get problems, solve them one at a time
21:42	<garymc> ok, ill do it in the morning then. But my main problem is the clients wont boot.
21:42	i can ssh to the server now im at home
21:43	but i cant do installs from here
21:43	im dying to get this finished
21:43	<alkisg> OK, install 10.04 in the morning, and don't reformat again, try it until you solve all your problems.
21:44	<garymc> is there anything you could help me with now to discover what it is thats stopping them booting. I can do pastebin and screen shots of terminal etc now
21:44	\as i can now ssh to the server
21:44	<alkisg> First you'd need to run ltsp-build-client to generate a 10.04 chroot because now you have a 9.10 chroot
21:44	Then, you'd need to fix your tftp settings that broke on upgrade
21:45	And finally you'd need to fix your network
21:45	<TheMatrix3000> ha, what if i ran ltsp under ubuntu enterprise cloud lol
21:45	<alkisg> It'll be simpler once you decide to stick to a version
21:45	Because if you keep reformatting, you lose all the steps we made so far
21:45	<garymc> well, i would like to stick with a version, I know my clients are 64bit and so is my server.
21:46	but i need to get this done as quickly as possible
21:46	<alkisg> Then you took the wrong decisions today
21:46	<garymc> can i do a fresh install form home via ssh?
21:46	<alkisg> If you listened to us, you'd have solved it 12 hours ago
21:46	Instead of formatting how many times, 5?
21:46	<garymc> 3
21:46	:s
21:47	<alkisg> Counting the initial 64bit installation too?
21:47	Anyway.. no, I don't think you can easily install from ssh
21:47	<garymc> 4 :/
21:47	<alkisg> Good night all
21:47	<garymc> good night
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22:10	<garymc> ok im not sure but this link may be the answer to my prayers https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/573975
22:10	wont know until the morning though
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22:43	<TheMatrix3000> What would you guys recommend for a LTSP server that supports 70 users
22:44	like spec wise
22:44	is 8GB ram enough?
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