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Channel log from 3 December 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:08 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:10 | <muppis> ho
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| 02:57 | <Gremble> hey all, anyone see my woes with lbmount yesterday?
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| 02:57 | http://pastebin.com/pawsvyqx
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| 02:59 | sorry not yesterday wednesday
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| 03:06 | is the maintainer of lbmount ever around here?
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| 03:15 | <alkisg> Most LTSP devs hang around here at US morning hours
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| 03:16 | You can try the mailing list or you can file a bug report if you want
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| 03:41 | <Gremble> alkisg, cheers
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| 07:40 | <bigd> hi together
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| 07:41 | alkisg ... thanks for your sugestion yesterday, helped me alot
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| 07:44 | btw ... changes to the lts.conf schould be activ after rebooting the clients, right? i always have to run ltsp-update-image
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| 07:45 | <Appiah> in ltsp 5 you dont need to ltsp-update-image
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| 07:45 | a reboot of the client is enough!
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| 07:45 | <bigd> for me not, thats why im wondering
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| 07:45 | LTSP 5.2.1
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| 07:46 | <Appiah> pastebin your lts.conf
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| 07:46 | and tell us what option is not taking effect?
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| 07:47 | <bigd> currentliy just [Default] LDM_AUTOLOGIN = True; LDM_USERNMANE = x; LDM_PASSWORD = x
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| 07:48 | but also wie the X86-Option the same ... need to update-image
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| 07:48 | <Appiah> please pastebin it :)
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| 07:49 | <ogra_ac> LDM_USERNMANE ??
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| 07:50 | <bigd> [Default]
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| 07:51 | how do i paste? sorry, using an webclient
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| 07:51 | als the lines i mean
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| 07:51 | all
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| 07:52 | ogra_ac ...LDM_USERNAME of curse
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| 07:52 | <ogra_ac> just wanted to make sure ;)
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| 07:52 | <bigd> ;-)
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| 07:54 | aaahh sorry Appiah ... thought you mean "paste in" ... forgot about the pastebin-site
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| 07:56 | http://pastebin.com/hgrTu2em
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| 08:00 | but i dont think that there is something wrong ... after the update-images everything works
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| 08:00 | it just "strange" that it takes that step
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| 08:00 | <ogra_ac> where do you store your lts.conf on the server ?
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| 08:02 | <bigd> in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc and an symlink to that file from the tftp-directory
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| 08:02 | <ogra_ac> doesnt work
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| 08:02 | tftp doesnt follow symlinks
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| 08:02 | store it in the right dir and you dont need update-image
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| 08:03 | <bigd> you mean a copy instead of the link?
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| 08:04 | or were is the "right place"?
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 08:04 | <ogra_ac> under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/$arch/
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| 08:04 | <bigd> ok, so replace the link with a copy
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> No need to ever change the one in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 08:05 | <ogra_ac> right
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> So no need to keep copying it - just this once
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| 08:05 | <ogra_ac> and in the future only edit it there
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| 08:05 | <bigd> ok
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| 08:05 | <ogra_ac> the one in /opt/ltsp/i386 gets overwritten on boot by the one from the tftp dir
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| 08:06 | <bigd> hmm ... has this changed since ubuntu 8.04?
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| 08:07 | <bigd> i remember that i have done it there this way and it didnt work until i replaced the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc manually
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| 08:08 | anyway ... was not really a problem
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| 08:10 | <alkisg> If it didn't work, then something else was the problem. It worked fine for me in 8.04.
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| 08:10 | (and in 7.10 and in 7.04 etc)
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| 08:13 | Gadi: is it possible to put the pulse starting just right after the user authenticates? This way we could have fat/thin sessions as options in ldm...
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| 08:14 | <bigd> is there a way to check with an script if corrently there is activ xsession? it turned out that checking if nbd is connected not allways works
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| 08:14 | <ogra_ac> alkisg, i proposed to even start pulse as the user to add security, but i think Gadi went for starting it with ldm startup
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| 08:14 | <Gadi> alkisg: we can start it upon login, but then you wouldn't get the sounds that ogra is looking for
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| 08:14 | <Appiah> bigd: mybad, I always assume people know what pastebin is
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| 08:14 | <bigd> checking for running ssh-process seemd not "clean" enought
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| 08:15 | <ogra_ac> Gadi, well, it would be a nice to have to have a11y support
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Gadi: you mean a "ldm is up" sound? Can't that be played with alsa?
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| 08:15 | <ogra_ac> but that could be optional and be rules by an lts.conf var
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| 08:15 | yeah, that could indeed be done with aplay
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| 08:16 | <Gadi> great! we could optionally play a fullscreen video upon login
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> bigd: checking nbd seems saner than checking X. When the user logs out, X is restarted, so the check would fail there. At what point did the nbd check not work?
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| 08:16 | <Gadi> ooh.... LTSP advertising
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Gadi++ :)
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| 08:17 | Let's name it LTSPooogle
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| 08:17 | <Gadi> "Thank you for logging in. We know you have a choice of desktops, and we thank you for choosing ours...."
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| 08:17 | <ogra_ac> Gadi, not a bad idea
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| 08:17 | i'll ask the ubuntu art team to make one
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| 08:17 | <Gadi> maybe a talking lizard?
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| 08:18 | ooh... or that dancing baby!
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| 08:18 | <ogra_ac> both !
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> A talking and dancing baby lizard? Cool!
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| 08:19 | <bigd> alkisg ... when the server shutsdown "hard" /dev/nbd0 seems to stay unchanged and the script stays in the checking-loop
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| 08:20 | but the nbd-proxy process is gone at that point
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> bigd: I believe it will now that the connection is broken as soon as the client tries to read a single byte/sector from the server
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| 08:20 | Ah, as I said, I don't know about nbd-proxy
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| 08:20 | I tested it and it works *without* nbd-proxy
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| 08:21 | For nbd-proxy you should probably test a different device...
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| 08:21 | <bigd> in case of an reboot it works
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| 08:22 | and you are right, after any IO activity /dev/nbd0 is gone to
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| 08:22 | too
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| 08:23 | just thoght it would cleaner to check X as in our setup their MUST be always an activ X
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| 08:23 | <alkisg> They never log out?
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| 08:23 | <bigd> nope
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Check the xexit program that sbalneav wrote
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| 08:24 | You need to make sure it's loaded in RAM though, as you won't have nbd access
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| 08:24 | !xexit
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| 08:24 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "xexit" is not a valid command.
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> !sbalneav-ppa
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| 08:24 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "sbalneav-ppa" :: (#1) https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa, or (#2) sbalneav's ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa and contains updated or backported versions for sabayon, ltsp-docs, gartoon, and others.
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> !forget sbalneav-ppa 1
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| 08:25 | <ltspbot> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> !sbalneav-ppa
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| 08:25 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "sbalneav-ppa" :: sbalneav's ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa and contains updated or backported versions for sabayon, ltsp-docs, gartoon, and others.
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| 08:25 | <alkisg> bigd: in that ppa ^
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| 08:25 | The xexit package
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| 08:26 | <bigd> ill take a look, thx
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> You may even modify its source so that instead of calling some script, to echo b in the sysrq file
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| 08:27 | * alkisg wonders if it's possible for X to stay up and running on hard nbd disconnections... | |
| 08:28 | <Uzzi> Is it possible to set thin client grub2 for dhcp/ltsp server?
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| 08:31 | <bigd> alkisg ... sure that xexit also gets triggerd if X crushs?
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| 08:31 | <alkisg> bigd: that's what it was written for
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| 08:32 | I haven't tested it, but I trust sbalneav (he's one of the LTSP devs)
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| 08:54 | <korcan> I am setting up a new ltsp server... I have firefox running locally, how do I get firefox to open attachemtns from a webmail client?
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| 08:57 | <bigd> alkisg ... doesnt work on first try ...
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| 08:57 | bad timing ^^
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| 08:57 | hmm ... seems xexit cant handle "frozen X"
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| 08:59 | korcan ... what exactly firefox does when you try to oben attachments?
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| 09:04 | <korcan> says "you have chosen to open a pdf, what should firefox do with the file?" I want to be able to open it from there automatically
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| 09:06 | bigd: any ideas?
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| 09:20 | <korcan> bigd: any ideas?
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| 09:38 | <robehend1> Gadi: That python change did fix my Sabayon crashes yesterday. Thanks for the help
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> robehend1: excellent!
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| 09:41 | <bigd> sorry korcan, was away
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| 09:42 | korcan ... firefox needs to know which app to use to handle pdf
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| 09:43 | like acrobat reader in windows
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> korcan: at LTSP-BTS in the beginning of November, we hacked up ltsp-remoteapps to solve that issue
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| 09:43 | if you are using maverick, stgraber has a package in a ppa
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| 09:44 | <robehend1> Gadi: Wait wait wait. So with ltsp-remoteapps, i can make my localapp firefox use the server's PDF reader when I click on a pdf in the downloads box?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> yup
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| 09:44 | <bigd> wow
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> its rather nifty
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| 09:45 | :)
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| 09:45 | and only a few scripts
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| 09:45 | <robehend1> Gadi: There a doc page for this? I'd like to try to implement. It's one of my student's largest complaints
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> maybe I can find someplace to upload a tarball
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| 09:45 | to drop files in in lucid
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| 09:45 | kinda ugly
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| 09:46 | maybe I can prod stgraber to make a lucid package
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:46 | <korcan> Gadi, can you point me to the ppa? I am using 10.10
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> sure, lemme find it
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| 09:46 | <robehend1> that'd be fantastic. since my students seem incapable of understanding what a Downloads folder is..
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| 09:46 | <bigd> that was my next question, how to get in in lucid
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| 09:47 | <korcan> Gadi, next item is printing from firefox using server network printers
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> korcan: thats easy
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| 09:47 | but hold on
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| 09:47 | <robehend1> korcan: I just installed CUPs in the chroot, it saw the server's printers and worked great
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| 09:47 | <Gadi> Experimental PPA builds for maverick are available at:
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| 09:47 | https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental
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| 09:47 | there's his ppa
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| 09:48 | enablee it inside the chroot
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| 09:48 | and only update ltsp-client
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| 09:48 | in other words, apt-get install ltsp-client
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| 09:48 | <robehend1> thats 10.10, correct
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| 09:48 | <Gadi> otherwise, you will pull in his experimental ldm and such
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| 09:48 | yeah, that's 10.10
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| 09:49 | for 10.04, I can put a tarball up somewhere with the scripts to surgically replace
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| 09:49 | :)
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| 09:49 | korcan: all you should need to do for printing is to broadcast/share the printers on the server to the network
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| 09:50 | korcan: the cups client in the chroot (which should already be there? You don't need all of cups in the chroot) will then use the server's print queues
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| 09:52 | btw, guys, with ltsp-remoteapps, it isn't on by default (yet), so you should set REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf
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| 09:52 | <robehend1> I just added all of cups, just in case. was one of those "we need this working 20 minutes ago" fixes
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> once you have it going, local firefox will say "open with: ltsp-open" automatically when clicking on a mime type of any sort
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| 09:53 | ltsp-open will do the magic to open the appropriate app on the server
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| 09:53 | <robehend1> pretty sure this just made my day.
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> like, openoffice for doc, a pdf viewer for pdfs, etc
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| 09:55 | <robehend1> now to convince my School board that between LTSP and Google Apps for education, we can really go green
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| 09:55 | ..without convincing them that I've made my own job irrelevant
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| 09:58 | <korcan> gadi, my chroot env says ltsp-client already installed
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| 09:59 | <Gadi> did you apt-get update after adding the ppa source?
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| 09:59 | <korcan> minor details :)
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> anybody have a good spot for posting tarballs?
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| 10:04 | I don't want to clutter the wiki with something like this
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| 10:08 | <korcan> gadi, I install the ppa, updated the image.. when I clikc on a pdf it is doing the same thing...
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| 10:09 | open with... What should I tell it to do?
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> did you ltsp-update-image?
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| 10:10 | and reboot the client?
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| 10:10 | <korcan> yes
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| 10:10 | let me do it again... just to make sure...
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> did you set REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf?
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| 10:11 | <korcan> yes in the images /etc/lts.conf
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| 10:12 | <bigd> btw ... what time is it at your place?
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| 10:13 | <Gadi> korcan: no, you should edit: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 10:14 | <korcan> Gadi: that file does not exit on my system
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> create it
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| 10:15 | it does not exist by default
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| 10:15 | !lts.conf
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| 10:15 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> it should look like:
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| 10:15 | [default]
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| 10:15 | REMOTE_APPS=True
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| 10:15 | for starters
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| 10:15 | :)
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| 10:15 | <korcan> I was updating the wrong lts.conf :)
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> yeah - this one gets downloaded on boot
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| 10:16 | so you don't need to constantly update an image
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| 10:16 | <korcan> ok, rebooting now
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| 10:18 | <bigd> korcan, made the same mistake ;-)
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| 10:18 | + i
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| 10:21 | a shame that xexit doesnt work
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| 10:26 | <bigd> !ldm
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| 10:26 | <ltspbot> bigd: Error: "ldm" is not a valid command.
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| 10:32 | <korcan> Gadi: still not working...
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> does it say open with ltsp-open?
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| 10:33 | <korcan> no, how do I add that?
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-open
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| 10:33 | doesn't sound like it update ltsp-client at all
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| 10:34 | try: apt-get install ltsp-client-core in the chroot
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| 10:34 | <korcan> ok
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| 10:36 | rebuilding now :)
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| 10:41 | <bigd> hmmm ... how can i check if a process is frozen?
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| 10:42 | <korcan> Gadi: it worked :)
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| 10:44 | <bigd> ps seems not relaible ... tells me state 4 for process that still run
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| 10:44 | 4 = zombie
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| 10:45 | <alkisg> bigd: why didn't xexit work?
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> korcan: excellent!
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| 10:45 | <Kyle__> bigd: ps is extremely reliable.
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> korcan: ltsp-client is supposed to pull in ltsp-client-core, but I suppose they are not as tightly linked as I had thought
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| 10:46 | <bigd> server shuts down, session freezes (on client)
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| 10:46 | nothing happens
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Did you change its code to make the client reboot?
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| 10:47 | (echo 'b' > the sysrq file?)
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| 10:47 | <bigd> i left it first to be sure that is works at all
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> It won't work without changing the code
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| 10:47 | The disk is not available so it cannot read any scripts to execute
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| 10:47 | (and even if it could, you'd have to provide the script)
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| 10:48 | <bigd> ah ok, that would explain it ;)
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| 10:49 | oh, damn, have to go
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| 10:49 | thx alkisg
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| 10:49 | ill try on on monday
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| 10:49 | happy weekend
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| 10:54 | <korcan> ok, now onto flash :) any ideas?
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| 10:56 | Gadi: Thanks for the remote apps help :) can you assist with getting flash to work?
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> korcan: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install flashplugin-installer
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| 10:57 | repeat with any other plugins you want
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| 10:58 | <korcan> I did that already... I will try again as it seems that I need to do everthing twice ;)
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> in the localapps firefox, go to: about:plugins
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| 11:04 | <korcan> gadi, it says flash is loaded, however it is not working
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> in what way is it not working?
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| 11:07 | oh, make sure that user doesn't have flash plugin installed in his home directory
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| 11:07 | <korcan> the firefox plugins page shows it is installed and enabled...
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> in fact, for the purpose of testing, close firefox
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| 11:07 | and mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla.bak as that user
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| 11:07 | and launch ff again
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| 11:09 | <korcan> I removed the .mozilla dir...
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| 11:10 | if I right click on a flash movie, it says "movie not loaded"
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> are you on youtube?
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| 11:15 | what link?
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| 11:15 | http://www.google.com/search?q="movie+not+loaded"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
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| 11:16 | that seems to suggesst it may be related to the particular movie
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| 11:16 | or it could be firewall related?
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: did you hear about the gpxe => ipxe.org name change?
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| 11:22 | <korcan> gadi, it was a curl issue
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| 11:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ugh. no.
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| 11:22 | <korcan> I installed Curl in the image and it worked...
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| 11:22 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/flash-10-1-r85-only-shows-movie-not-loaded-837876/
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| 11:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: did someone finally fork?
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| 11:23 | <alkisg> vagrantc: not exactly, I hear that the copyright owner was trying to enforce his views on some subjects
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| 11:23 | So the main devs moved away to a new name
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| 11:24 | In gpxe git I see last commit happened in August, while in ipxe the development continues normally...
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| 11:24 | <korcan> gadi, after adding the ppa ltsp-client it now boots to f8 (logged in root) instead of f7 (gui). any idea how to revert?
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> korcan: did you put SCREEN_08 = shell somwhere?
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, i noticed a stalled out commit
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| 11:25 | alkisg: no mention on etherboot.org
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> Right, I think that's on purpose :(
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| 11:27 | * vagrantc saw that brewing | |
| 11:28 | <korcan> gadi, you are the man :) I am trying to get a new ltsp server up... copied the old lts.conf...
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> Maybe it's for the best...
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| 11:28 | <korcan> gadi, printing?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hope so... maybe i can actually get responsiveness regarding licensing
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> korcan: on the server, set cups to share printers on the network
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| 11:29 | done
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://ipxe.org/licensing - but I suppose you already know that - the problem is that it doesn't cover all the files, right?
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| 11:29 | Can some files, roms etc be left out from the debian package?
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| 11:30 | <korcan> really? thats it?
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| 11:30 | ok
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: that works for a given rom, but doesn't actually cover the source code
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> vagrantc: the source code is all gpl, isn't it?
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| 11:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, i was working on a trimmed-down version to simplify licensing review ... only the roms supported by qemu*, for example... and then can add roms a few at a time
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> Aren't only the ROMs in question?
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| 11:32 | <korcan> gadi, what is the best way to get the login screen to not be split on dual momitors?
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but a significant portion of the build infrastructure was also unclear
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> Ah, I see...
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> korcan: unfortunately, the positioning of the current ldm is hard coded
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| 11:33 | korcan: it's been on the to-do list for quite sometime
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| 11:33 | but, now we may be making major changes to ldm, so...
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| 11:33 | <korcan> Gadi: what file is it in? I have it working on my old ltsp server that you helped me setup over a year ago :)
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| 11:34 | <Gadi> oh, yeah?
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| 11:34 | huh
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| 11:34 | umm....
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| 11:35 | <korcan> Actually it was to another guy here, but he said you custom compiled it for him :)
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: what's the usual tftp dir on debian nowadays? /srv/tftp?
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| 11:36 | <korcan> Gadi: does X_VIRTUAL still apply? what about XRANDR... ?
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| 11:36 | <Gadi> yup
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| 11:36 | all that fun stuff is still in there
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| 11:37 | for the greeter, I guess you can replace: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/ldmgtkgreet
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| 11:37 | but, I would backup the current one first
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| 11:37 | :)
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: either /srv/tftp or /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 11:37 | <korcan> ok thanks :) I will see if I copy it over if it works...
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> alkisg: depending on which tftp server
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: dnsmasq
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| 11:38 | Should I go for /srv/tftp?
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| 11:38 | (non-ltsp installation, just nbd-server)
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| 11:38 | (single fat client)
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't think dnsmasq has a default
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| 11:39 | alkisg: put it wherever you want it :)
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Right, that's why I don't know where to put the files... :D
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| 11:39 | <rjune> Gadi !
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> OK, /srv/tftp it is, ty!
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| 11:40 | <Gadi> juney!
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| 11:41 | <rjune> how goes it?
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| 11:41 | Gadi, you got smokeping setup someplace?
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> heh, do I dare ask what that is?
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| 11:42 | <rjune> network tool
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| 11:42 | godaddy seems to be having issues
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| 11:43 | and I have a client getting pissy with me because it happened shortly after we updated their site to wordpress
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| 11:45 | * Gadi stares blankly at rjune | |
| 11:45 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 11:46 | <rjune> *sigh*
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| 11:55 | <korcan> !lts.conf
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| 11:55 | <ltspbot> korcan: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 11:56 | * Kyle__ scratches his head | |
| 11:56 | <Kyle__> Seriously? BSD tar doesn't have a flag for atime preservation?
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| 11:57 | <vagrantc> why would you want to preserve that?
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| 11:57 | <Kyle__> vagrantc: When I write backup scripts I usually want it.
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| 11:58 | vagrantc: Out of habbit I included it in a script I just banged out on an OSX box, and it wasn't happy, to say the least.
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> but the process of backing the file up would update the atime record... no?
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| 11:59 | <Kyle__> vagrantc: Yes, but as I said, it's out of habbit. Generally you preserve atime/ctime/mtime all in one fell swoop in backup scripts.
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| 12:00 | Well, whatever you can preserve, depending on your tool. I think gnu tar preserves just about everything that it can when you tell it to, but it can only set those times to the past if you untar as root.
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> hmm... sabayon still does weird things....
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| 12:34 | * Gadi longs for the good ole days of simple text files | |
| 12:39 | * vagrantc pines too | |
| 12:47 | * Kyle__ is starting not to believe this mac is really running at gigabit... | |
| 12:48 | <Kyle__> it's only 30 gig. Shouldn't take that long to transfer. Been almost an hour.
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
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| 12:57 | <ltspbot> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <sbalneav> That's what I was thinking.
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> grr...
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| 13:00 | <rjune> Gadi, http://field-1.oriontechnologysolutions.com/smokeping/?target=WKVI
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> rjune: smoking.
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| 13:07 | :)
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| 13:08 | thats quite the display of graphs you have
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| 13:08 | :)
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| 13:15 | <rjune> i fixed it now
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| 13:15 | <Gadi> ping
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| 13:15 | ping
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| 13:15 | ping
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| 13:16 | lol
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| 13:16 | sorry
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| 13:16 | feeling playful
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| 13:16 | and sabayon is driving me nucking futs
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| 13:17 | this program is so broken
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| 13:17 | * Gadi shakes head | |
| 13:21 | <robehend1> did it break again? nooooo
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| 13:32 | <rjune> Gadi, is ok
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> robehend1: it isn;'t crashing, it just isn't saving my changes
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| 13:33 | :)
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| 13:34 | <robehend1> Gadi: Had that a few times before. I went into the try and try again mode
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> I am making one change: Delete desktop icon
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| 13:34 | and saving
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| 13:34 | and it seems to not edit the temporary zip file
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| 13:34 | and just copies it back in place
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| 13:34 | weird
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| 13:35 | I don't understand why it seems to try to edit the temporary zip file rather than unpack it and then throw it away and recreate it if something is saved
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| 13:36 | <robehend1> it is a quirky program, isnt it.
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> unless I am missing something, the code is overcomplicated
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| 13:36 | <robehend1> Now if only it wasnt so mission critical in many enviroments
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 13:36 | :)
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| 13:36 | let's see what happens if I delete the temp file out from under it
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| 13:36 | * Gadi rubs hands together | |
| 13:36 | <robehend1> like a wizard!
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> success!
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| 13:38 | lol
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| 13:38 | so, now to find where to put a delete in the code
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| 13:38 | bwahahahaha
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| 13:46 | <robehend1> and then with all of these fix's, you'll have to get them rolled into the package and all kindso of other fun
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> robehend1: well, that's where knowing sbalneav helps
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| 14:07 | :)
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| 14:07 | <robehend1> always a benefit
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> still not sure where to safely add this hack, so for now, I will do it manually
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| 14:08 | until I can track down sbalneav
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| 14:08 | <robehend1> so your having to delete the temp files before you save, to have them apply?
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> there is a temporary zipfile in : /tmp/profile*zip
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| 14:10 | that is a copy of the zip profile from /etc/sabayon/profiles
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> for some reason, my edits don't get applied, and it moves that tempfile right back to the /etc/ dir unchanged
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| 14:10 | but, if I delete that tmp file
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| 14:11 | and then hit Save
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| 14:11 | it seems to work
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install gadis-voodoo-package-that-miraculously-makes-sabayon-work, yey
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> and it saves my changes
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| 14:11 | so, before I hit save, I can open a terminal and do: sudo rm /tmp/profile*zip
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| 14:11 | for now
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| 14:11 | :)
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| 14:12 | the code is so complicated, if I remove it in the wrong place, I may screw up something else
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| 14:13 | <robehend1> fun stuff
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| 14:13 | well, another note to make on my list of things for Sabayon
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 14:13 | that program could use some retooling, but I aint volunteering
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| 14:13 | :D
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| 14:14 | <robehend1> and i dont have the knowledge, sadly
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> where are all them canonical devs doing enterprise desktop deployments?
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| 14:14 | :)
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| 14:15 | <robehend1> i find less and less desktop linux, more and more linux servers. It seems its all going through windows pipes yet for desktop
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| 14:15 | cuz otherwise, you get the lovely "Where's mah Microsoft office!?" questions
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> wow. it got late on me. gotta go before I turn into a pumpkin.
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| 14:16 | <robehend1> have a good one
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> A good weekend and a freilich Chanuka to those lighting
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Ciao Gadi
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| 14:16 | <Gadi> cheers
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| 16:22 | <keiffee> hi all
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> Hi
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