IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 17 October 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:06 | <smelo> greetings channel.
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| 00:07 | I've run into an issue trying to boot my thinclient. After aquiring a dhcp address I recieve an error like: Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection"
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| 00:08 | Im not sure how to dig deeper into it as i don't have a shell on this server because it cannot complete the boot.
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| 00:08 | can anyone point me in the right direction?
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| 09:17 | <StreamTom> Hello. I've just started working with LTSP on ubuntu 12.04 and I was hoping someone could point me towards how to make my own desktops. I want a kiosk, but not necessarily the Firefox one
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| 09:17 | I'm struggling to find esources though
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| 09:26 | <gvy> what do you want of it?
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| 09:28 | <StreamTom> Well, my project is to create a 'jukebox' type machine. What I'm really after is how to set up auto login and have a different desktop environment (like Openbox or Raw X)
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| 09:29 | I was also curious as to what the config options were to create a server fat client, I already have a desktop fat client working
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| 09:30 | It's not a common use case so I'm having difficulty finding documentation for that
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| 09:31 | <gvy> do you need shared users/data (or would you benefit from centralized updates)?
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| 09:31 | <StreamTom> Shared users and data would fit me better I think
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| 09:31 | <gvy> that is, there are standalone webkiosks like webconverger (or my smaller altlinux based images) but it's definitely not about ltsp
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| 09:32 | <StreamTom> Ok, thanks
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| 09:32 | <gvy> then the terminal server approach might be better indeed
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| 09:32 | kiosks tend to *avoid* any state like user data, hence the question...
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| 09:32 | * gvy done a few projects with those | |
| 09:33 | <StreamTom> Oh, I see what you mean, there won't be any persistent data if that's any help
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| 09:36 | If you know anywhere to look I think a good place for me to start would be learning how to customise which parts of the setup, I would guess some is done on the server and some is done on the image before build
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| 10:20 | <gvy> StreamTom, just in case you'd like to get some feeling with kiosks: http://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/people/mike/iso/mkimage-profiles/live-webkiosk-mini-t6_20120330-i586.iso
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| 10:20 | it helps fiddling with a simple case sometimes to figure out what one *really* wants to get integrated in a bit more complex one
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| 10:59 | <StreamTom> gvy: Thanks for the information
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| 10:59 | <gvy> StreamTom, welcome
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| 11:44 | <ale2s> good morning, someone had trouble printing via jetdirect in ltsp 5 (ubuntu 4.12)?
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> ale2s: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
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| 12:01 | <prem1> hi all
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| 12:01 | am trying to setup ltsp server in debian squeeze
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| 12:02 | i got the ldm screen and the client accepts the username and password
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| 12:02 | but nothign happens after that
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| 12:02 | its just showing a rotating cursor with black screen
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| 12:02 | what am i missing?
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| 12:03 | <gvy> prem1, check dns just in case
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| 12:04 | <prem1> gvy, i have only dnsutils installed in my machine
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| 12:04 | no other dns servers
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| 12:04 | <gvy> at least I've seen "X cursor and nothing else" on LTSP4 based tech as a result of any of client/server being unable to (back)resolve the other correctly
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| 12:05 | I mean, check that both hosts resolve the other
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| 12:05 | *the other's IP to hostname and then resolve that hostname to that IP
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| 12:06 | <prem1> gvy, sorry i didnt get you really., am bit weak in networking
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| 12:06 | anyway all i can see is the client boots , get IP from server and tftp image and displays ldm
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| 12:07 | it does accepts the login crediantials too., and try to start gnome ( iguess)
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| 12:07 | but not displaying any desktop ., i cna tfind any error log in server too
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| 12:08 | <gvy> prem1, if you know IP addresses of both client and server (use "ifconfig" or "ip ad" to find out), check on a *local* console of each of them whether "host a.b.c.d" (or "resolve a.b.c.d") works
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| 12:09 | <prem1> done gvy
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| 12:09 | i will chkeck out and come back
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| 12:09 | <gvy> like, (client side) host 192.168.0.1 -> server.local; host server.local -> 192.168.0.1; (server side) host 192.168.0.200 -> ws200.local; host ws200.local -> 192.168.0.200
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| 12:09 | if there's no "host" try "resolve"
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| 12:10 | or ping :)
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| 12:10 | <prem1> okey gvy
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| 12:10 | so it means that probably the connection is lost ?
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| 12:10 | thats why its not logging ?
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| 12:11 | <gvy> rather not connection but protocol level troubles
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| 12:12 | X11 is pretty picky about resolving
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| 12:12 | <prem1> will there be any logs in server for the client errors ?
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| 12:13 | <gvy> but please note that these considerations might be irrelevant since I didn't check them with current xorg and ltsp in debian (or ubuntu whatsoever), just hit that back in 2006 or so
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| 12:13 | heh
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| 12:14 | client's Xorg.0.log would have a *single* vague line that might hint but only if one was looking that hard already...
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| 12:14 | something like "retransmission cap hit"
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| 12:14 | <prem1> gvy, let me check
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 16:17 | <cliebow> Scotty!!!!!!!
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| 16:23 | <gvy> !!
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| 16:23 | <ltsp> !: Are you frustrated?
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| 17:27 | <huizache> hello
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| 17:27 | we would like to set up a computer hub in rural mexico
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| 17:28 | i am looking for hardware alternatives to a bunch of old pc
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| 17:32 | mainly because we do ot have a bunch of old computers
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| 17:34 | the question is what thin client are recomended for school rough use
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> It depends on the money you're willing to give... e.g. if your clients have 1 gb ram and a proper graphics card, they could work as ltsp fat clients and be able to display fullscreen youtube videos or 3d apps without stressing the server
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| 17:38 | If you don't want to spend much money, you can use e.g. raspberry pi with $35 each...
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| 17:38 | And there are many many options between those 2 examples
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| 17:41 | <huizache> so we can use raspberry pi as thin clients?
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| 17:41 | but without much ram...
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| 17:45 | is there a place i can compare thin clients?
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| 17:48 | <gvy> it'd be interesting but I'm yet to see (or hear of) such use
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| 17:48 | <gothaggis|work> hello, I use ltsp with active directory authentication. after i performed a apt-get upgrade, I can no longer log into thin clients. it just waits for a bit and then resets. how can i troubleshoot the issue? is there a command somehwere to show verbose output when its trying to log in?
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> huizache: many electronic stores sell thin clients...
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| 17:49 | wyse, hp, ...
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| 17:50 | <huizache> alkisg: thank you
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| 17:58 | <gothaggis|work> and regarding my problem, it just sits at the "verifying password. Please wait" screen for about a minute and then resets. I tried removing splash quiet from pxe but that is before this happens. It's like it's timing out with the AD server or something...but not sure why that would be since it worked before the software upgrade. config files seem to be unchanged unless there is one i missed.
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| 17:58 | <gothaggis|work> it says "no response from server, restarting"
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| 18:01 | doh
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| 18:01 | forgot to update sshkeys
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| 18:02 | <gvy> alkisg, hp used to stick winxpe in at least neoware ca22
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| 18:03 | <gothaggis|work> so next question - if i want to block a few websites only on thin clients - is there some way to do this using the thin client image rather than say our internal dns server
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| 18:06 | <gvy> proxy?
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| 18:10 | <gothaggis|work> i thought i could just edit the hosts file but it seems to get overwritten and not with what is in the servers hosts file
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| 19:39 | <||cw> gothaggis|work: still pretty easy to circumvent. a proxy server is better
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| 20:27 | <gothaggis|work> ||cw yeah, will look into squid proxy + squidguard
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| 20:29 | <ltspuser_66> hi all
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| 20:29 | ?
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| 20:29 | command
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| 20:29 | help
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| 20:32 | did somebody could be help me please
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| 20:33 | ?
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| 20:35 | !
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| 20:37 | <lolotlse> hello
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| 20:38 | <gvy> hi
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| 20:38 | ltspuser_66, huh?
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| 20:38 | <ltspuser_66> did somebody use intel gma950 with 1980x1024
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| 20:39 | * gvy not | |
| 20:39 | <ltspuser_66> i try use a diskless dell unfortunatly
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| 20:39 | <gvy> as a thin client?
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| 20:40 | <ltspuser_66> the max depth was 1024x768
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| 20:40 | yes is a dell FX170
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| 20:40 | <gvy> looks like vesa mode
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| 20:40 | <ltspuser_66> i try that
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| 20:41 | <gvy> you might try some liveusb (or livecd via usb dvd drive) to figure out which distro supports that chip -- if it's a powervr species then I'm basically sorry for you, these beasts are extremely inconvenient but to some extent supported
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| 20:42 | that is, debugging a network-booted system is somewhat more hassle when one isn't that used to it :-)
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| 20:43 | <ltspuser_66> good idea
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| 20:44 | i dont know how include module like insmode
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| 20:45 | <gvy> take lspci (better lspci -vvvnn, even) and lsmod output off that host if possible
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| 20:46 | after having booted it with any linux
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| 20:48 | <ltspuser_66> the problem it when the client boot the lspci match the server and not the client
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| 20:51 | <gvy> that's why the *local* livecd boot suggestion -- still you can try to either ssh into the client or open a local console at it
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| 20:51 | and scp captured data back
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| 20:52 | <ltspuser_66> ok i will try that
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| 20:53 | i think the xorg not configure the module for intel GMA 950
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| 20:54 | <gvy> ah, dmesg output and /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or whatever it is) too
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| 20:54 | might help not to waste extra time on figuring the exact details out :)
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| 20:56 | <ltspuser_66> ok i will see that tomorrow on work
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| 20:56 | its 10:56 PM in France
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| 20:56 | thanks for your help
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| 20:56 | <gvy> 23:56 in kiev, ua
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| 20:57 | time to sleep() indeed :)
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| 20:57 | <ltspuser_66> many thanks
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| 20:57 | good night
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| 20:58 | <ltspuser_66> i continue search on web
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