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04:20 | <isojussi> is there some general problems with local printer in ltsp5 and 8.04?
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04:21 | printers stopped to work after upgrading
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04:31 | <Appiah> upgrading to what?
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04:34 | <isojussi> from 7.10 to 8.04
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04:39 | telent 192.168.1.7:9100
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04:39 | oops
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04:47 | <dmarkey> !stgraber-ppa
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04:47 | <ltspbot> dmarkey: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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04:51 | <dmarkey> stgraber: hello
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05:32 | <EXP__> i have ltsp5 and ubuntu 8.04. since i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 my printers that are connected to clients
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05:32 | and now they don 't work anymore
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05:35 | in lts.conf i have PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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09:59 | <alkisg> Yeah!!! Reporting that dnsmasq-2.48test9 works fine as a proxydhcp server, i.e. now I can have my cheap router (or windows server etc) acting as a dhcp server, and the ltsp-server only sending a fake dhcp offer with the boot-filename and next-server.
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10:00 | Tried with 4 pxe-enabled NICs and with gpxe, all worked fine.
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10:02 | No more dhcpd.conf for me :)
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10:07 | <din_os> alkisg: that sounds useful, a dependency should be on the way there... DHCP server troubleshooting is a major pain in many configurations
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10:40 | <oifzhozh> Hi
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12:28 | <GuilhermeCunha> hi
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12:29 | mouse usb with scroll not running on
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12:29 | ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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12:29 | ii ltsp-server-standalone 0.99debian11 Complete LTSP server environment
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12:34 | my lts.conf is here
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12:34 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/146356/
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12:43 | <dmarkey> stgraber: hey, you around?
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12:47 | <tadeu_> guys, i'm setting up a LTS but i already have a DHCP server in my network, can i set the root-path and filename in this server ? pointing to my LTS
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12:47 | <Nubae> yes, just one dhcp server needed per network
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12:47 | <oifzhozh> +1 :p
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12:48 | <tadeu_> so i don't need a DHCP server in my LST, right ?
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12:48 | <oifzhozh> But your DHCP must be recent
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12:48 | <Nubae> nope, doing that will make everything fail, its important to have just one
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12:48 | <tadeu_> good
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12:49 | and how i configure my DHCP to indicate my LTS ?
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12:49 | about root-path and filename
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12:49 | <ogra> next-server
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12:50 | <tadeu_> nice
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12:50 | <GuilhermeCunha> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146356/
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12:50 | usb mouse + scroll working with ltsp?
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12:50 | <tadeu_> ogra, i read somethings about that but it was not clear.. thanks
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12:50 | <tadeu_> i'll try it
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13:08 | <tadeu_> the DHCP issue is solved.. thank you
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13:41 | <tadeu_> wich gui to manage clients you recommend ? i'm using debian
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13:46 | <ZRQH> <tadeu_> wich gui to manage clients you recommend ? i'm using debian <<= i'm interested too
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13:49 | <alkisg> italc
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13:53 | <tadeu_> alkisg, thanks, i'll try it
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13:54 | <ZRQH> It's not dedicated to ltsp i see
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13:54 | <alkisg> No, but it's quite well integrated with ltsp in ubuntu. In debian it requires a little manual handling while installing... key etc.
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13:54 | *keys (ssh)
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14:20 | <ball> Are LTSP terminals generally netbooted?
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14:25 | <alkisg> stgraber: jaunty-recently updated: /etc/resolv.conf in clients has no mode bits set: ---------- 1 root root 44 2009-04-07 22:07 /etc/resolv.conf
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14:26 | So localapps (running as a normal user - e.g. vlc) cannot read the file
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14:27 | That happens whether SEARCH_DOMAIN/DNS_SERVER are set in lts.conf or not.
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14:33 | <vagrantc> ball: pretty much exclusively.
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14:35 | <ball> vagrantc: Oh good. They run without swap?
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14:36 | <vagrantc> ball: with enough ram. these days, at least 128MB of ram is probably what you want to run without swap.
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14:37 | <ball> Oh good, that's easily achievable here.
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14:37 | Is NFS required?
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14:37 | <Lumiere> yes
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14:37 | unless they really moved away from it for the root fs
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14:37 | <vagrantc> ball: on debian, default is NFS, ubuntu defaults to using NBD
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14:38 | not sure on other distros
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14:40 | <ball> Hmm... okay.
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14:41 | <ball> I'll try to read more about it later then.
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14:41 | Thanks a lot for your help
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15:06 | <elias> I have a weird problem with LOCALDEVs
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15:06 | USB jumpdrives, which work on the server, don't work on the thinclient
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15:06 | same problem I am having with the built in and linux capable SD card reader
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15:07 | any ideas
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15:08 | <vagrantc> !release
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15:08 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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15:08 | <vagrantc> elias: ^^
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15:08 | elias: might have to do with unusual partition tables on the device(s)
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15:09 | <elias> vagrantc: ubuntu intrepid
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15:10 | <vagrantc> elias: do any devices work?
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15:10 | <elias> vagrantc: yes, my usb drives work
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15:10 | vagrantc: let me check the partition table of a device which is not working. one moment
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15:12 | primary w95 fat19 lba
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15:12 | <Memfis> #evening all.
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15:14 | <elias> vagrantc: I can mount it by hand, when plugged into the server. However, gnome seems to have a problem with it too (while it needs to be mentioned that I try to mount the usb-drive-on-server from nautilus running on the thin-client)
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15:24 | vagrantc: any more ideas?
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15:25 | <vagrantc> elias: sorry
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15:25 | hopefully someone else will...
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15:25 | <Memfis> Evening, has anyone managed to get dual displays working with ltsp5? Only thing I can find on google is a mention of a pdf from disklessworkstations that doesn't exist anymore.
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15:26 | <elias> Memfis: never tried
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15:26 | <Memfis> No one seams to have :)
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15:27 | <elias> how can I make LOCALDEVs work for everybody, without the need to add people to the fuse group?
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15:27 | <Memfis> whats wrong with adding people to the fuse group? We did.
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15:28 | <elias> Memfis: I am not the one who creates new users and I would need to make sure people are added automatically at least, as the person adding users is non-technical.
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15:29 | <Memfis> afaik users I've added since where added to fuse. I can check later for you tho.
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15:29 | <elias> what about the plugdev group? is that still in use?
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15:32 | <vagrantc> elias: you can probably use libpam-group to add everybody to the fuse group
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15:33 | <vagrantc> ltspfs uses the fuse group
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15:34 | <Memfis> you might be right. Just checked a user I created earlier and I don't think they are in the fuse group. I cant test until one of the terminals is free.
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15:35 | <elias> but users still need to be in that group, right?
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15:36 | <Memfis> to use localdev afaik yes. (but I'll check later)
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15:36 | <alkisg> elias: gnome users-admin keeps the default groups there: /etc/gnome-system-tools/users/profiles
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15:36 | <elias> do you know, does the gnome user admin util user the adduser command? ergo does it respect the config files for adduser?
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15:37 | <Memfis> dunno, I've always added users/groups by cli.
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15:37 | <elias> alkisg: which groups do I need for audio and localdevs?
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15:37 | <Memfis> audio for audio & fuse for localdevs. thats all I see in my setup (ltsp5 - XUbuntu Jaunty)
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15:38 | maybe pulse.
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15:39 | sorry, you wheren't asking me.
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15:39 | <elias> Memfis: does not seem necessary, as nobody is in that group, but my sound is working
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15:40 | <alkisg> I don't think users-admin respects the adduser defaults (adduser.conf). And I don't think adduser respects the useradd defaults (login.defs). But I'm new to linux, can't say for sure.
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15:41 | <elias> alkisg: gnome does only seem to respect the config file you mentioned earlier
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15:41 | thank you for that
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15:41 | I have two admin groups in my setup here, don't know why
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15:41 | <elias> can somebody with a clean install check the admin goups gid for me
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15:41 | in ubuntu that is
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15:43 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "jaunty /etc/gnome-system-tools/users/profiles" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/299
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15:43 | <alkisg> elias: ^^^
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15:44 | <elias> alkisg: I have that, tnx
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15:44 | can you paste me a: grep admin /etc/group
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15:45 | <alkisg> getent group admin: 117
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15:45 | I don't think that's standard, though...
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15:45 | <elias> jaunty?
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15:45 | <alkisg> yes
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15:47 | <elias> have one 119, and one 114
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15:47 | should not matter anyways
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15:47 | is only for sudo, isn't it
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15:47 | <Memfis> mines 120, but it was upgraded from 8.10
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15:47 | <elias> and that does go by name not gid
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15:54 | <elias> I am in the admin group, but the unlock button is not active in user-admin
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15:57 | <alkisg> Some notes about these groups - but not all of them (ubuntu specific): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions
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15:58 | <Lns> elias: you have 2 admin groups in /etc/group?
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15:59 | <elias> Lns: yes, I suppose that happend, when I moved my users and groups from debian
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15:59 | no idea
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15:59 | <Lns> elias: that's your issue most likely
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15:59 | get rid of the one you migrated from debian
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16:01 | <elias> Lns: no idea which one it is
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16:01 | Lns: should not matter anyways
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16:01 | <Lns> uhm, yes it does..?
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16:02 | <elias> Lns: This system has a long migration history
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16:02 | <Lns> elias: admin:x:115: for me (hardy install)
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16:02 | <elias> Lns: why, no files belong to the admin group
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16:02 | <Lns> elias: the admin group does more than file permissions
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16:02 | <elias> Lns: admin group has a different gid for everybody
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16:02 | Lns: sudo
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16:02 | Lns: but only by name not gid
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16:02 | Lns: so it should not matter
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16:03 | <Lns> elias: ok..if you say so. Duplicate groups causes major issues... i'll let you figure it out though ;)
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16:04 | <elias> Lns: I don't see the gid actually stored anywhere. Do you?
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16:04 | Lns: Except for in the group file
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16:05 | <Lns> elias: no offense but you need to think logically. Just get rid of the duplicate group, log out, log back in, make sure you're a part of the ubuntu created admin group, and try again.
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16:06 | elias: i've experienced this issue in the past via migrations.
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16:07 | <elias> I'll try a reboot
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16:07 | <Lns> what's that going to fix?
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16:13 | <elias> Lns: after removing one group
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16:14 | I renamed a group, but the system did not seem to care. It did still remember the group by its old name. Therefore I will reboot after change.
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16:54 | <dmarkey> stgraber: hello
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17:32 | <jammcq> hola
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17:45 | <Lns> that spam can guy is never around when i need to ask him something =p
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18:07 | <Memfis> Evening, has anyone managed to get dual displays working with ltsp5? Only thing I can find on google is a mention of a pdf from disklessworkstations that doesn't exist anymore.
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18:35 | <stgraber> dmarkey: hi
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18:47 | <dmarkey> stgraber: gotta sec?
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18:50 | i need your expertise
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19:25 | <davidj2> rjune_: ping
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19:25 | rjune: ping
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19:25 | jammcq: hola!
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19:30 | <stgraber> dmarkey: sure
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19:31 | dmarkey: if you want to avoid the delay between my answers, just ask your question :)
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19:32 | <dmarkey> stgraber: i need a USB solution for LTSP using rdesktop
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19:32 | <jammcq> davidj2: hey
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19:32 | <davidj2> How are things?
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19:32 | <jammcq> things are good
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19:33 | <dmarkey> stgraber: was looking at http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/
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19:47 | <stgraber> dmarkey: what's wrong with latest ltspfs implementation ?
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19:48 | do you need something more than seeing your usb keys in windows as network share ?
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19:48 | (and cd-rom too)
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19:48 | <stgraber> (that function hasn't been really advertised though I admit)
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19:49 | <dmarkey> stgraber: i dont know much about ltspfs, and can i put it into a debian chroot?
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19:49 | <stgraber> not sure for Debian but it works with Ubuntu and I believe vagrantc uploaded a ltspfs similar to Ubuntu's
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19:50 | <dmarkey> and how des it work, userspace daemon that watched for udev events?
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19:50 | does*
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19:50 | <stgraber> basically you need to have both ltspfsd and ltspfs in the chroot, then add a rdesktop parameter to map /media to a network mountpoint in Windows
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19:50 | it uses the same magic as for regular Linux localdevs
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19:50 | that's udev and a few scripts
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19:51 | <dmarkey> any vfat sync issues?
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19:51 | <stgraber> shouldn't be (wasn't reported any yet)
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19:51 | <dmarkey> and will the mount dissapear as soon as the usb key is pulled?
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19:52 | <stgraber> yes
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19:52 | <dmarkey> ltspfsd ltspfs_mount ltspfs_umount ltsp-genmenu ltsp-localappsd
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19:52 | i seem to have those in my chroot
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19:53 | <stgraber> dpkg -l | grep ltspfs
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19:53 | <dmarkey> ltspfsd 0.5.9-1
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19:53 | <stgraber> ok so you'd need ltspfs too
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19:54 | <dmarkey> ltspfs ltspfsd ltspfs_mount ltspfsmounter ltspfs_umount ltsp-genmenu ltsp-localappsd
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19:54 | what other amendments do i make to activate it?
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19:57 | <stgraber> you should be good with that and something like: "-r disk:disk=/media/root/ -r sound:local -x l" as RDP_OPTIONS
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19:58 | <dmarkey> why do i need both ltspfsd and ltspfs
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19:58 | <stgraber> ltspfsd is the one doing the detection of your usb key, ltspfs is the one that's mounting it in /media/
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19:58 | <dmarkey> and how does ltspfs know to mount the key?
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19:59 | <stgraber> some xprop magic IIRC (we tend to like that way of communicating)
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19:59 | <dmarkey> i dont see any udev entries
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19:59 | ok, i'll see if it works tomorrow
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20:01 | stgraber: thanks for your help
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20:01 | <stgraber> np
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20:02 | <dmarkey> LTSP doesnt seem to be much interested in rdesktop based deployments?
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20:08 | <stgraber> dmarkey: I have done a few, works fine and Gadi did some too
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20:14 | <dmarkey> cool
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20:14 | talk soon
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22:30 | <tracke_> hi all
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22:30 | I get problem with my ltsp
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22:30 | any body can help me???
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22:40 | <rjune_> davidj2: pong
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22:48 | <vagrantc> !question
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22:48 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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22:48 | <vagrantc> tracke_: ^^
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22:53 | <Ryan52> tracke_: please keep /msg-ing in the channel....
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22:53 | tracke_: it's rude and annoying to /msg
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22:53 | (without asking first)
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22:54 | tracke_: especially when I wasn't even talking to you in channel, it just doesn't make sense..
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22:54 | tracke_: no, I won't help you, because you continue to /msg me instead of reading what I'm writing here.
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22:54 | =P
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22:57 | <tracke_> in my client comp. i have get IP from server, then out the error
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22:57 | TFTP.
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22:57 | PXE-T01 : file not found
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22:58 | PXE-E3B : TFTP error - file not found
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22:58 | PXR-M0F:Exiting intel PXE ROM
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22:59 | what, Imust doing now to correct my problem
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23:06 | * vagrantc found a neoware thinstar thin-client today ... | |
23:06 | <vagrantc> how well does a geode 300MHz proc perform?
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23:06 | it's only got 32MB of ram, but looks like it'll take so-dimm or sdram
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23:08 | <tracke_> why with ddram
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