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Channel log from 1 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:33 | <Hyperbyte> Morning!
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 07:35 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:06 | <markit> anyone expert with bonding? I have all the leds of the switch blinking (also of unused ports)
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> markit, what happens when you disconnect one of the two bonding cables? Does the switch blinking on all ports?
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| 14:07 | +stop
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| 14:11 | <markit> back
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| 14:11 | I have removed one cable, and works fine
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| 14:11 | only the plugged ports are on
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| 14:11 | and traffic works
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| 14:11 | <Hyperbyte> Traffic doesn't work when all leds are blinking?
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| 14:12 | <markit> if I re-plug the second cable all leds are blinking and thin client is unable to get dhcp
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| 14:12 | also tcpdump seems to show NO traffic flowing during that
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| 14:12 | I've set mode 0
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| 14:12 | <Hyperbyte> No traffic on either interfaces?
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| 14:13 | <markit> and I've a very dumb gbit 8 port switch
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| 14:13 | well, I # tcpdump -ni bond1
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| 14:13 | (I've NO bond0, since I've eth0 I prefer call bond1 the bond eth1+eth2)
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| 14:14 | mm now I've traffic
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| 14:14 | 16:14:16.997501 IP 192.168.20.10 > 224.0.0.22: igmp v3 report, 1 group record(s)
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| 14:15 | but not the good one :) maibe is just auto-generated
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| 14:15 | (I've installed shorewall and squid in the meantime)
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| 14:15 | maybe the switch firmware is broken
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> Haven't a clue what might cause this. You'd think broadcast storm, but doesn't make sense if there's no traffic. Wait around a bit for alkisg, he can probably tell you.
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| 14:16 | <markit> Hyperbyte: do you confirm that for bond mode 0 no support from the switch is required? no special features, I mean
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| 14:16 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I'm setting up bonding here too. Alkis told me nothing special is required from the switch, it should even work with cheap d-link switches.
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| 14:18 | <markit> mm if I plug one cable only (I guess eth1 one), all lights blink for 4 times and then only the plugged ones are on
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| 14:18 | if I plug the other cable of the bond, lights keep blinking
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| 14:19 | btw, do parameters have "-" or "_" as separator in /etc/network/interfaces?
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| 14:19 | I've found doc with both systems
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| 14:20 | bond_mode balance-rr BUT also bond-mode balance-rr
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| 14:21 | <Hyperbyte> man interfaces
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| 14:21 | <highvoltage> life/win 19
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| 14:21 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:21 | <markit> tells nothing about bonding
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| 14:21 | <Hyperbyte> You're right...
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| 14:22 | As I said I'm still getting into this. :)
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| 14:22 | <markit> :) are you setting ltsp servers for schools? wich distro/version?
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| 14:23 | <Hyperbyte> Company, 11.04
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| 14:26 | <markit> oh, ltsp and GNU used at work? wow
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| 14:30 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 14:45 | * _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat | |
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| 14:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anybody attempted to install google chrome as a local app?
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| 14:46 | <Hyperbyte> That's not a very specific question. :-) I'm sure someone has.
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| 14:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am having a problem running dpkg -i . Chrome is saying "xdg-desktop-menu: No writable system menu directory found"
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| 14:46 | that's installing the package downloaded from google
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| 14:47 | since there doesn't appear to be a apt installation method
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| 14:47 | Hyperbyte: addendum: "succeeded in installing google chrome as a local app"
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| 14:48 | <Hyperbyte> :) Again the answer would be yes. ;-) But what you just said is very specific.
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| 14:48 | You are installing this on the server, in the chroot, I assume?
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| 14:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Using 'ltsp-chroot' command?
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> well kind of. the command looks more like this: "cd /opt/ltsp/i386 && mound --bind /proc ./proc && chroot ./"
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| 14:50 | perhaps I need to mount a usr share or something?
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| 14:50 | I am not too familiar with what xdg-desktop-menu is looking for pertaining to system menu directories
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| 14:50 | <Hyperbyte> ltsp-chroot is a script that does the same thing, plus extra.
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| 14:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> EXTRAS YOU SAY?!?
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| 14:51 | <Hyperbyte> I find it's easier plus better to use that, if it's on your system.
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| 14:51 | YES I SAY!
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| 14:51 | FOR FREE OMG!
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| 14:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> olo
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| 14:51 | <Hyperbyte> cat /usr/sbin/ltsp-chroot :-)
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| 14:51 | I don't think it's gonna solve this problem though.
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| 14:52 | Apparently Gnome is having problem making a menu icon for itself in Gnome. Which would be useless, since the local menu items aren't used I think.
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> seriously though, I am using 10.04. I am not seeing this command in existence at that location for this release.
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> But the xdg menu directory is /etc/xdg/menus/
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| 14:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh wait. it's in /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot
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| 14:52 | <Hyperbyte> Try mkdir /etc/xdg/menus/ and then run the apt-get install
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| 14:53 | Probably not the right way to do this in Ubuntu, but it might work.
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| 14:54 | * _UsUrPeR_ gives it a shot | |
| 14:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> Hyperbyte: no dice, same error :/
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| 14:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hm
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| 14:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> I am trying this in a ltsp-build-client --kiosk ltsp chroot. I wonder if there's some weird gnome dependency that the .deb file is not telling me about
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| 14:59 | <Hyperbyte> Do you have a /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/applications/ directory?
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| 14:59 | Minus one /
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| 15:23 | <schoppenhauer> hello. what is the format of the EARLY_MIRROR variable when using more than one mirror?
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| 15:24 | I cannot find that out somehow
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| 15:25 | <Hyperbyte> schoppenhauer, I have no idea what you're talking about. :)
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| 15:28 | <schoppenhauer> according to http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2010-01-22, it is comma separated
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| 15:28 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 15:30 | <schoppenhauer> Hyperbyte: hm?
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| 15:30 | Hyperbyte: EARLY_MIRROR in ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 15:31 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. Never seen that before.
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| 15:31 | <schoppenhauer> but appears that it is comma separated
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| 15:33 | <schoppenhauer> I hope that the kernel-packages-argument recognizes these.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: in the chroot, apt-get install gdebi-core
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| 15:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: ok
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Then use `gdebi package.deb`, that takes care of dependencies
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| 15:45 | (because dpkg -i doesn't)
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg++;
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| 15:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> I just got done speaking to someone from the chrome team. Apparently there's a potential bug: chrome may require an xdg-compatible desktop manager in order to operate
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: xdg-desktop-menu is part of xdg-utils, which should be a dependency of chrome, if it uses it
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| 15:48 | If it's not a dependency of chrome, then install it manually, and file a bug against chrome
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| 15:49 | gdebi will tell you if it needs to install xdg-utils
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| 15:49 | Yes, it is, it shows up in its Depends: list
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| 15:50 | So just use gdebi to install the package.
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| 16:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: since I am attempting to run chrome in X with no window manager (gnome, kde, wtc) in a "--kiosk" ltsp image, this is problematic
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| 16:00 | etc = etc...
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| 16:00 | err wtc = etc...
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_: if, once chrome is up and running, it complains about a window manager, you can just install one
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| 16:00 | No big deal there
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| 16:06 | <TheMatrix3000> is it possible to install memtest or add memtest to the pxe boot option?
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| 16:06 | basically i want to use memtest to test thin clients having issues
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Sure. you can either temporarily change pxelinux.cfg/default to load that instead of a kernel, or if you want, you can even make a whole pxe menu like this: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2828.0;attach=1672;image
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| 16:09 | <TheMatrix3000> oh cool
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| 16:09 | how would i do that alkisg
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| 16:09 | cause i like your menu
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Documentation is in the syslinux site
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| 16:10 | <TheMatrix3000> ok :)
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> If you want, feel free to use google translate on that post that I've made about my menu: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=2828.0
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| 16:10 | <TheMatrix3000> are you russian?
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> No, greek
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| 16:10 | <TheMatrix3000> ha
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| 16:10 | k
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| 16:11 | and i can make it set ltsp thin as the default?
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| 16:11 | <Hyperbyte> Maybe if he wears an Ushanka and grows a thick moustache.
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| 16:11 | :)
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Sure, it's a menu
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| 16:11 | Haha
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| 16:12 | You can set defaults, timeout, background, font, color, whatever
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| 16:20 | <markit> hi alkisg :) I'm working on the elementary school server, and of course I'm starting to find some new troubles, lol
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| 16:21 | alkisg: my I have an url of your latest and greatest version of your python scripts for class monitoring?
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| 16:21 | and what is your timeframe for further development on it? I remember you have a Phd or something like that to pay attention to
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| 16:28 | <Hyperbyte> He's in a hotel at the moment, with really crappy wi-fi. :)
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> markit: please check the irc logs for the english sch-scripts version, I think I gave you the link about 10 times so far the last year :)
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| 16:55 | A new version will come out for 12.04
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| 16:55 | And a big rewrite for 14.04
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| 16:56 | <markit> alkisg: I remember the link, thought was not updated anymore
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Yes, the english version is not updated
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| 16:56 | <markit> urgh, 14.04... I need something working well for... this september :)
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> It's in 10.04.38 version, while the greek ones have 10.04.52, a year younger version
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| 16:57 | We only use/support LTS releases
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| 16:57 | <markit> alkisg: I see (and agree, but I'm in different position right now, lol)
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| 16:58 | I've also a problem with bonding (works only if I connect one cable, sigh), but don't know if you have time to help troubleshoot later (I'm in the middle of other problems right now)
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| 16:59 | just in brief:
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| 16:59 | <markit> if I connect both the cables, the 8 gbit switch port has ALL the lights flashing every 1 second
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| 16:59 | also the empty plugs I mean
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| 17:00 | is something you already encountered and is easy to explain and solve?
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> Post your /etc/network/interfaces. I might be online in 4 hours or so.
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| 17:00 | No, I didn't have problems with bonding
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| 17:00 | It worked out of the box whenever I tried it
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| 17:00 | <markit> I've the feeling the switch is broken, better try another one (even if 100Mb) first
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| 17:00 | ok, see you later and thanks a lot :)
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> The switch shouldn't matter
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| 17:01 | Your /etc/network/interfaces ?
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| 17:01 | <markit> ok, let me past in pastebin
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> (for sch-scripts, we still publish new versions with new features, but they're all for 10.04, until 12.04 is released)
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| 17:02 | <markit> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/CqSM9rFN
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| 17:02 | alkisg: is so dependant upon 10.04? I've 11.04 here...
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| 17:02 | I mean, it could work or sure not?
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> markit: that's not the same as the bonding example in the wiki page
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| 17:03 | I haven't tried anything different, so I can't comment.
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| 17:03 | <markit> alkisg: you told me the wiki was very different from your one
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> We don't support 11.04, it has numerous changes that break our clients
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| 17:03 | E.g. they don't suppot 3d/unity etc
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| 17:03 | <markit> and seems not too different from the wiki, let me check again
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| 17:03 | alkisg: oh, I use kde and kubuntu
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> No, what I wrote in the wiki is exactly what I've tried
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| 17:04 | sch-scripts don't work with kde
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| 17:04 | (well 95% would work, but 5% untested stuff is enough to make it break)
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| 17:05 | <markit> my bond setup seems almost identical to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking except broadcast and network parameters
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| 17:05 | that are usual networking ones
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> bond-mode 0 is the same as balance-rr ?
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| 17:06 | <markit> also should not need the gateway parameter
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| 17:06 | yes
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Is that verified?
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| 17:06 | <markit> I tested with 0 and then with balance-rr
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| 17:06 | if you have a look at pastebin
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| 17:06 | I've put also the output of
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| 17:06 | # cat /proc/net/bonding/bond1
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| 17:06 | Bonding Mode: load balancing (round-robin)
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> Speed 10 mbps?
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| 17:07 | And half duplex?
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| 17:07 | Are they not connected to the same switch?
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| 17:07 | Ah you say it breaks when you connect it
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| 17:08 | <markit> Speed 10 mbps because one cable is disconnected
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| 17:08 | and yes, I connect them to the same switch to create the trouble, but then clients don't have dhcp and tcpdump -ni bond1 shows NO traffic
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| 17:09 | also if I plug the other cable I have issues, to be sincere
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| 17:09 | oh, no it works too
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> I see. Anyway, I think #networking would be more appropriate for such advanced subjects - they're even unrelated to ltsp, I shouldn't have written that wiki page under ubuntultsp but I hadn't found another one in the wiki
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| 17:10 | <markit> alkisg: the second cable if connected also alone does not work instead
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> And it works without bonding?
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| 17:11 | <markit> I've 2 cable, put "yellow" and "gray". if I use only "yellow" it works
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| 17:11 | with both or with gray, not
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| 17:11 | mm no, it works with gray too
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| 17:12 | ops, not, only with yellow (I need some sleep)
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| 17:12 | just the client booted from it's HD now, lol
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> I mean, if you use the gray cable without bonding, does it work?
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| 17:14 | <markit> no, only the yellow one
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| 17:14 | maybe the adapter is broken instead of the switch
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> without bonding
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| 17:14 | I.e. if you empty your /etc/network/interfaces
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| 17:14 | <markit> yes, bonding does NEVER work
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| 17:14 | grey cable ONLY does NOT work either
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| 17:14 | yellow cable ONLY, works fine
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> If it doesn't work without bonding, then yeah you don't have any chances at all to make it work with bonding :)
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| 17:15 | Check your nic or cable.
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| 17:15 | <markit> yes, good tip, I assumed was working but is a false assumption
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| 17:15 | thanks for the troubleshooting :)
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| 17:15 | I've something more to do this night, lol
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> np
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| 19:31 | <Guest93846> I am setting up three labs, each lab will have its own ltsp server. I am trying to run Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit with the fat client image. When I pxe boot my client machine (intel atom with 1gig ram) I get to the ltsp login screen but once I try to login it fails saying No Response from server. Does anyone know what could be the the cause or where I could find a log file that would point me in the right direction?
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| 19:39 | <Hyperbyte> Guest93846, LTSP uses SSH to log in
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| 19:40 | So you could try 'ssh user@localhost' on the server, see if that works.... and if it doesn't, there'll be errors in /var/log/syslog
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| 19:40 | If it works, you can then try SSH from a network machine.
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| 19:42 | <Guest93846> so just try to ssh into the server to make sure ssh is workin?
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| 19:45 | I can ssh to the server from my desktop witihout any trouble.
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| 19:48 | I can also ssh to the server from the server as well.
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| 20:11 | <Hyperbyte> !screen_02 | echo Guest93846
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| 20:11 | <ltsp> Guest93846 screen_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN.
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| 20:11 | <Hyperbyte> Use that, it'll give you a root shell on the thin client. See if you can SSH from there.
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| 20:11 | Also, you can set LDM_DEBUG=True in your lts.conf
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| 20:11 | <Guest93846> let me try that.
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| 20:12 | <Hyperbyte> It'll write debug messages to /var/log/ldm.log on the client (you can view that in screen_02)
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| 20:12 | LDM is the LTSP login manager. If you try logging in and it fails, hopefully it says why in /var/log/ldm.log
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| 20:20 | <Guest93846> I can't get to screen 2, it just has a cursor. I can get to screen 1 but it has a login prompt and I can't get in that way. Is there a way to set the password for root access on the client? I also set the LDM_DEBUG=True but so far nothing has come up.
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| 20:25 | never mind about the password I found the instructions on the link you sent <ltsp>
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| 20:26 | <Hyperbyte> You shouldn't need a password for SCREEN_02 anyways
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| 20:29 | <Guest93846> the SCREEN_02 setting doesn't seem to work, I did login through the prompt on screen 1 as root and was able to ssh to the server.
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| 20:31 | I don't know how or why but the client was just allowed to login. Could it have been the password change I did?
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| 20:32 | <alkisg> Did you get a warning from ssh?
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| 20:32 | E.g. "adding keys for xxx..."
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| 20:33 | <Guest93846> no
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| 20:34 | oh, sorry yes I did
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| 20:34 | get the waring
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| 20:34 | <alkisg> Then you need: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 20:34 | You need that every time your server ip is changed
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| 20:35 | <Guest93846> oh... would that explain why I couldn't login with my clients?
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| 20:36 | <Hyperbyte> Yep
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| 20:37 | <Guest93846> You guys are awesome.... Thank you soooo much you saved me a ton of time!
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| 20:44 | <Hyperbyte> Sure. :)
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| 20:44 | Save your thanks though, I'm sure you'll have more questions soon. :)
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| 20:44 | <highvoltage> [/win 12
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| 20:44 | <Hyperbyte> 16:21 16:21 <highvoltage> life/win 19
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| 20:44 | 22:44 22:44 <highvoltage> [/win 12
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| 20:44 | Today is not your day is it? =D
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| 20:46 | <Guest93846> No, you deserve a least a thank you don't be little the help you guys offer.
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| 20:51 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh, not exactly what I meant, but you're welcome man. :)
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| 20:52 | Or woman! Let's stay emancipated!
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| 20:56 | <highvoltage> Hyperbyte: yeah I'm just going to detach from my irc session and eat some cake instead :)
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| 20:56 | <Hyperbyte> Heheh... well, should be just as good as IRC.
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| 20:56 | =)
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