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Channel log from 18 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:41 | <sweetpi> With all other computers, ltsp works fine. But I have one computer that as soon as it starts X, the screen goes black and nothing happens. Can anyone help?
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| 02:13 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:35 | <sweetpi> Is there any way to stop X from starting in lts.conf?
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| 02:35 | screen_07=shell doesnt seem to effect it
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| 02:39 | <alkisg> sweetpi: can you paste your current lts.conf?
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| 02:39 | !pastebot
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| 02:40 | <sweetpi> its the default, all I added was SCREEN_07=shell
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| 02:41 | it also shows up in the tftp logs
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| 02:43 | <alkisg> There's no default lts.conf
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| 02:43 | Which distro/version is that?
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| 02:44 | <sweetpi> sorry, i tried it in the default lts.conf, and then i added on in tftp. its debian
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| 02:44 | squeeze
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| 02:44 | <alkisg> Does debian get lts.conf with tftp? I thought it uses nfs...
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| 02:45 | <sweetpi> im using nbd
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| 02:45 | yes it shows up in the tftp logs, but ive also tried in the clients lts.conf
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| 02:46 | my config: http://pastebin.com/HtDYmije
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| 02:46 | <elias_a> Now that I recall - has someone solved how it would be possible to play audio cds in clients using the cdrom drive of the client?
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| 02:47 | People ask me this on continuous basis and I have not been able to find an answer.
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| 02:47 | <alkisg> sweetpi: do you have sid backports enabled?
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| 02:47 | <sweetpi> alkisg: the only reason im trying this is the screen goes black after X starts
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| 02:47 | alkisg: no
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| 02:47 | <alkisg> OK, I think the only way to debug it then is to enable the chroot root account
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| 02:47 | Something like that: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UnlockChrootRootAcct
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| 02:48 | <sweetpi> alkisg: I cant switch terminals after it black screens
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| 02:48 | <alkisg> Hmmm
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| 02:48 | <elias_a> sweetpi: Do you already know that you should not use Compiz in LTSP?
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| 02:48 | <alkisg> It doesn't reach ldm, does it?
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| 02:48 | <sweetpi> elias_a: I havent changed anything from default
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| 02:48 | alkisg: the last thing i see is the drm module loading
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| 02:49 | <elias_a> sweetpi: If it is a new installation, it is possible the graphics chip is not compatible with Compiz or some other part in X configuration.
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| 02:50 | <alkisg> elias_a: that's after the user logs in, though
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| 02:50 | He should be seeing the login screen if it was a compiz problem
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| 02:50 | <alkisg> sweetpi: try putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
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| 02:50 | <sweetpi> ive tried that
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| 02:50 | <elias_a> alkisg: Ok.
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| 02:50 | <alkisg> ...even though I doubt that your lts.conf is being read
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| 02:51 | <sweetpi> alkisg: im not sure if its being read, but its getting downloaded via tftp
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| 02:52 | <sweetpi> ive tried vesa and vga, ive even tried changing resolutions
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| 02:53 | I should mention this is a laptop
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| 02:55 | <elias_a> sweetpi: Is it compatible with linux? I mean, should the graphics work out of box?
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| 02:55 | <alkisg> do other clients boot?
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| 02:57 | <sweetpi> elias_a: yes, it has a local install of maybe 8.0ish ubuntu
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| 02:57 | alkisg: yes the others work fine
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| 02:57 | <alkisg> sweetpi: ok, then run `getltscfg -a` on the others to see if they receive lts.conf
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| 02:58 | <sweetpi> ok
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| 03:00 | <alkisg> (on a local terminal - either on SCREEN_02=shell or with a root account on vt1)
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| 03:01 | <sweetpi> alkisg: i would say its getting the config, it dropped to a shell :)
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| 03:01 | <alkisg> ok
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| 03:02 | <sweetpi> i had screen_07=shell in the tftp lts.conf
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| 03:04 | i checked the local os xorg.conf and its empty, so there isnt anything custom going on
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| 03:05 | <alkisg> sweetpi: so... if your other clients don't load X when you put screen_07=shell, and this one hangs, then it isn't an X problem, right?
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| 03:06 | <sweetpi> a video driver problem is my guess
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| 03:06 | but it works fine on the local os
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| 03:07 | <alkisg> But without trying to load X?
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| 03:07 | Why would a video driver be a problem if it doesn't try to load X?
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| 03:07 | <sweetpi> i see drm getting loaded, would that get loaded even without X starting up?
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| 03:08 | <alkisg> I'm not familiar with the debian boot messages, but if screen_07=shell is working on other clients, it should be working on that one too.
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| 03:08 | <sweetpi> the drm=Direct Rendering Manager or somthing like that
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| 03:09 | i agree... so confused
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| 03:09 | <alkisg> Is that after "starting ltsp client"?
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| 03:10 | <sweetpi> yes i think, i only tried to look at the last message
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| 03:11 | it gets past mounting the image, then starts udev, etc... let me see what else i can catch
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| 03:13 | i didnt specifically see "starting ltsp client" but its hard to read much with udev messages flying around
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| 03:14 | <alkisg> sweetpi: hmmm I'd suggest you'd come back in this channel about 10 hours later, and see if vagrantc (=the debian ltsp maintainer) can help you
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| 03:15 | <sweetpi> ok
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| 03:52 | <sweetpi> alkisg: disabling acpi fixed the problem
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| 03:53 | <alkisg> sweetpi: Nice. Wow, I wouldn't think of that.
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| 03:54 | <sweetpi> alkisg: thanks for your help. pointing out that X _really_ shouldnt be loading made me look for other problems :)
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| 03:54 | <alkisg> You're welcome - but you deserve all the credit yourself
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| 03:59 | <sweetpi> wow this really brought a junky computer to life... 128mb ram.. and over wireless too(maybe i should write a tutorial on that part)
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| 04:00 | open office used to take 4-5min to start now its down to about 5 seconds :)
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| 04:15 | <sweetpi> anyone know if there is an lts.conf option to allow specific machines to be shutdown by the client? I seem to remember seeing it, but cant seem to locate it in the docs.
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| 04:28 | <phil_> hello, I'm looking for help to compile LTSP 5.2 on Ubuntu
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| 04:28 | I have the .tar.gz, I have executed ./authgen.sh but there is no "configure" file so now what do I do ?
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| 04:28 | ./autogen.sh I meant
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> phil_: why would you want to compile it?
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| 04:29 | One quick way to do it is: apt-get source ltsp; apt-get build-dep ltsp; debuild -b -tc
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| 04:29 | <phil_> I have a hardy server (with ltsp-server 5.0) and it seems I can't install a lucid distrib with the 5.0 version
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| 04:30 | so I wanted to try and compile the 5.2
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| 04:30 | (there is no backport for hardy)
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> phil_: maybe you should explain your problem better, because I don't think compiling will help you
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| 04:30 | You want to put ltsp 5.2 on hardy?
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| 04:30 | <phil_> yes
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> It requires upstart and other stuff not found in hardy
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| 04:30 | Why would you want ltsp 5.2?
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| 04:30 | <phil_> I first looked for a backport of 5.2 for hardy, but there is not
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> Backporting ltsp 5.2 to hardy would involve some code rewritting
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| 04:31 | Why do you want ltsp 5.2?
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| 04:32 | <phil_> my goal : I want ltsp clients which run on lucid ; and I was hoping I could install a lucid distrib on my hardy server (my servers are under hardy-server, the last LTS)
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> I don't understand your statemend "lucid distrib on hardy server"
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| 04:32 | The last LTS is Lucid, not Hardy
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| 04:33 | Maybe you should be upgrading your server to Lucid?
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| 04:33 | <phil_> so I installed (on my hardy server) the package ltsp-server (5.0 version) and tried : ltsp-build-client --dist lucid ; and I get an error
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| 04:33 | the last LTS for server version is hardy
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| 04:34 | "lucid distrib on hardy server" means I want a ltsp-server which allows ltsp clients tu run lucid
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> phil_: http://www.ubuntu.com/server/get-ubuntu/download
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| 04:34 | The last LTS for server is Lucid, afaik
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| 04:34 | Where did you hear that it isn't?
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| 04:36 | <phil_> well, I thought that for server edition, LTS was released every 3 years (instead of 2 years for desktop edition)
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> No. You just get support for 5 years, instead of 3.
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| 04:36 | <Da-Geek> Hi All, looking for anyone who deals with RPM'ing LTSP for Fedora, any pointers ?
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> (again afaik - but I've never heard otherwise)
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| 04:36 | <phil_> well.... ok then , I think I will install a lucid server, with ltsp-server 5.2 :-)
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> That'd be the easiest way :)
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| 04:37 | <phil_> for my information, would the 5.2 version of ltsp-server compile under hardy ? (if I install all dependencies requiered ?)
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> Da-Geek: ltsp for fedora is currently unmaintained, afaik. Warren was the last maintainer but he hasn't shown up in months
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| 04:37 | <phil_> and if yes, how do you compile it : ./autogen.sh will create some configure files, won't it ?
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> phil_: no, without code changes it wouldn't install. It needs upstart, which isn't available on hardy
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| 04:37 | <Da-Geek> alkisg, /me knows (/me works for Red Hat) was looking for anyone else who may have been involved...
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| 04:38 | <phil_> ok, thanks
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> phil_: you create a .deb with `debuild -b -tc`
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| 04:38 | <phil_> ok
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| 04:38 | <alkisg> Da-Geek: I don't think there's anyone else. I've been hearing people ask about fedora help here, and they always get the same answer (unmaintained)
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| 04:39 | Da-Geek: to get a more "official" answer you could try the ltsp mailing list..
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| 04:39 | * Da-Geek is looking @ Taking over the Fedora RPMs (pos RHEL/CentOS as well) | |
| 04:39 | <alkisg> That'd be cool
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| 04:40 | Yeah, I think asking in the ltsp-developer mailing list would be best
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| 04:40 | * Da-Geek is a long time user of K12LTSP before i worked @ Red Hat.. | |
| 04:40 | <alkisg> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-developer
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| 04:40 | <Da-Geek> would be a shame to lose LTSP from Fedora...
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> Right... and I bet it doesn't need much to get it working again
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| 04:41 | <Da-Geek> alkisg, i hope not....
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| 04:41 | i just wanted to check things out 1st before i go stepping on someones toes..
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> Da-Geek: ltsp developers here are very helpful, even if you bump into some problems I'm sure we'd help.
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| 04:42 | I guess if you ask on the mailing list, warren will be the first one to give you his "blessing" :)
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| 04:42 | <sweetpi> If I clean up my scripts to add wireless, where would be the best place to submit them?
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> sweetpi: well... debian does have a wiki, but most people look at the ubuntu one
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| 04:42 | So if those work for ubuntu too, please put them there as well
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| 04:43 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 04:43 | The debian one is here, I think: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 04:44 | <sweetpi> I imagine they would work on anything, they just use built-in ltsp script functions. Actually quite simple.
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| 04:45 | <alkisg> How do you boot the client? With a local nbd image?
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| 04:45 | <sweetpi> local kernel and initrd, everything else is normal
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> Sounds good
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| 04:46 | <sean74> any advice for fat/thin cliet local printer
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> Fat or thin?
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| 04:47 | There's a difference there
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| 04:53 | <rickogden> hey, I've just rebooted (working) LTSP server, now when I try to connect a client it says "nbd0:Hangup"
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| 05:02 | <sean74> fat
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| 05:03 | is it necessary to input the MAC addr?
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| 05:03 | <sweetpi> rickogden: maybe your inetd.conf has changed, or your nbdport kernel options?(just guessing)
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| 05:03 | <sean74> can i configure the printer device for all client?
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| 05:04 | <rickogden> sweetpi: I've just checked, and it seems to be the correct port
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| 05:05 | <alkisg> sean74: if it's a fat client, it should automatically see any local printers
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| 05:05 | <sweetpi> your sure the inetd.conf wasnt changed after you restarted inetd(before reboot)?
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| 05:06 | <rickogden> I've checked /etc/inetd.conf and it's correct
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| 05:06 | <sean74> hmmm
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| 05:07 | <sweetpi> rickogden: what does syslog on the server say?
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| 05:07 | <sean74> i think i need to clarify something here, 1st i install ltsp the ubuntu-server then i tasksel ubuntu-desktop
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| 05:07 | will it be the same?
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| 05:10 | <rickogden> sweetpi: it says authorized client then "starting to serve" then "nbd_server[21018]: Size of exported file/device is 4096"
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| 05:11 | <sweetpi> rickogden: bad symlink?
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| 05:11 | that file is way too small
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| 05:11 | <rickogden> could be... what would the symlink that I'm looking for be?
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| 05:11 | <sweetpi> using debian?
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| 05:12 | <rickogden> ubuntu
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| 05:12 | so yeah
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| 05:12 | <alkisg> rickogden: grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
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| 05:12 | <sweetpi> check your inetd.conf for the image file that is set to the nbdport
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| 05:12 | <alkisg> See if you export the image there instead of the directory
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| 05:12 | <rickogden> alkisg: I did that before, and it is
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| 05:12 | <sweetpi> ls -al pathtofile
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| 05:13 | see if its a broken symlink or a directory
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> rickogden: can you paste that? 4096 is usually an exported directory
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| 05:13 | sean74: if you created a fat chroot, it shouldn't matter what desktop you have on the server.
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| 05:14 | <rickogden> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 555372544 2010-06-10 16:43 /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 05:14 | <alkisg> And, grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf ?
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| 05:15 | <rickogden> 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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| 05:15 | 2002 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> And, grep nbd /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 05:15 | <rickogden> alkisg: it's not being used
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| 05:16 | <alkisg> (or grep vmlinuz)
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| 05:17 | <rickogden> I'm using the same gpxe boot script which specifies the nbdserver as a parameter
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| 05:17 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 05:17 | And you're passing nbdport=2002 ?
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| 05:17 | The default nbd port is 2000
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| 05:18 | <rickogden> no, that didn't work, I'm passing nbdroot=ip:2002
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| 05:18 | <alkisg> Hrm... yup now I remember...
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| 05:18 | <rickogden> yeah...
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| 05:19 | <alkisg> You get a busybox on the client?
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| 05:19 | <rickogden> no
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| 05:19 | I'm trying to think as the file size it passes is the size of a symlink or directory file
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| 05:20 | what should it be passing at that point?
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| 05:22 | <sweetpi> rickogden: did you try rebuilding the nbd image? i remember something like this from a corrupt image
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| 05:22 | <rickogden> sweetpi: what's the command?
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| 05:23 | <sweetpi> ltsp-update-image -a i386
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| 05:23 | <rickogden> oh the ltsp image :)
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| 05:25 | <sean74> hmmm
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| 05:26 | <rickogden> same thing :/
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| 05:26 | <sean74> alkisg: coz, when i go to the printing configuration i only see the server ip
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| 05:27 | alkisg: do you meant that if i run on fat, i dont even need to configure the lts.conf?
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> rickogden: while you're at it, why don't you try to change your inetd.conf so that it uses the standard port? (2000)...
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| 05:28 | <rickogden> kk, using the dpkg-reconfigure?
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> No, manually should be easier
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| 05:28 | sudo gedit /etc/inetd.conf
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| 05:28 | and sudo invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
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| 05:28 | And change your gpxe script too..
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| 05:28 | (no need to specify the nbd port anymore)
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| 05:29 | <rickogden> righto
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| 05:29 | <sean74> alkisg: this is the command that i use to build the ltsp client, sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot fati386 --fat-client-desktop ubuntu-desktop --purge-chroot --mount-package-dir /var/cache/apt/archieves
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| 05:31 | <alkisg> sean74: yes, for fat cilents, you don't need an lts.conf to access local printers
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| 05:32 | <sean74> alkisg: hmmm, is there anything that i should reconfigure??
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> I don't know. I don't know what your problem is. Fat clients don't see local printers? Or your clients don't boot as fat?
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| 05:34 | <sean74> alkisg: how can i know if my client not boot as fat?
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| 05:34 | <rickogden> alkisg: I had to alter the /etc/nbd-server/config file, but it's fixed the problem :/
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> rickogden: weird. What did you put there?
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| 05:35 | You shouldn't have this file at the first place...
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| 05:35 | <rickogden> just changed the port to 2000, then did an /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart
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| 05:35 | alkisg: could this be causing the problem?
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| 05:35 | a config conflict?
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Erm... why did that file exist?
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| 05:35 | On a default ubuntu installation, nbd-server runs from inetd
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| 05:36 | So it doesn't run as a server (nbd-server restart)
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| 05:36 | And it doesn't need a configuration file
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| 05:36 | So at some point you must have done something to create that file
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| 05:36 | <rickogden> yeah, I think it was during the dpkg-reconfigure nbd-server
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| 05:36 | which I did when I couldn't get them talking in the first place
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> Hm. Maybe you should revert to the ubuntu defaults then
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| 05:37 | <rickogden> yeah, maybe a plan
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| 05:37 | <alkisg> It'd be easier to get support some next time
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| 05:37 | So, delete that configuration file
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| 05:37 | Stop nbd-server
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| 05:37 | And restart inetd
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| 05:37 | Btw now you'll have a conflict if you leave both nbd-server and inetd at port 2000
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| 05:37 | Maybe that's what was causing the problem
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| 05:38 | <rickogden> my thoughts exactly
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| 05:38 | <alkisg> sean74: on the client, open a gnome-terminal and see the hostname there.
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| 05:39 | It'll be either your server hostname, which means it's a thin client, or the client hostname, which means it's a fat client.
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| 05:39 | <rickogden> alkisg: that seems to work, I'll remove the nbd-server from init.d
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| 05:41 | <sweetpi> that init script is default
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| 05:42 | <rickogden> sweetpi: oh, so I should keep it?
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> Yes, it just doesn't start if it doesn't find a configuration file
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| 05:42 | So yup, keep it
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| 05:42 | (whatever)
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| 05:43 | <rickogden> ok, thanks people!
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| 05:43 | <rickogden> I must say, I was rather impressed with the dual monitor support of LTSP
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| 05:45 | <sean74> alkisg: if fat client what would i see?
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> sean@ltsp123
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| 05:45 | <sean74> is the hostname + the ip address
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| 05:45 | yup
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| 05:45 | something like that
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| 05:46 | username@hostname[ipno], sean@ltsp20
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| 05:46 | <alkisg> So if you run e.g. `free`, you'll see your client's memory (e.g. 1 Gb), not your server's memory (e.g. 4 Gb)
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| 05:47 | <sean74> ok, so i should see the local device memory size instead of server memory
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| 05:47 | if it shows server ram size?
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> Then it's a thin client
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| 05:48 | <sean74> ok, is that due to the hardware then? coz, i boot from a normal cpu
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| 05:48 | not the thin client device
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| 05:50 | <alkisg> You mean that you use a normal PC as a fat client? That's not a problem
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| 05:50 | Anyway, gotta go. Bye all...
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| 05:50 | <sean74> ok, thanks
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| 05:50 | good day
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| 05:50 | have a good weekend
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| 05:51 | bless you
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| 05:54 | <rickogden> if I alter the chroot environment, do I have to rebuild the ltsp image?
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| 05:55 | <sweetpi> yes
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| 05:56 | <rickogden> thanks :)
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| 05:57 | <sweetpi> nfs is best imho if you need to make changes often, you can always switch to nbd at a later point
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| 05:58 | <rickogden> I'm still quite new to LTSP, so I'm not quite sure what you mean
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| 05:59 | <sweetpi> i mean exporting the directory over nfs and mounting it instead of having to rebuild the image many times when you just want to change a config option in the chroot
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| 06:00 | <rickogden> oh right, is there a setting for that somewhere?
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| 06:01 | <sweetpi> no, you just need to change your boot options and export the directory
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| 06:01 | <rickogden> ah right
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| 06:03 | <sweetpi> instead of nbdroot you would have netboot=nfs nfsroot=serverip:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 06:03 | <rickogden> tbh I don't really mind rebuilding the image, certainly nicer on the network when we have 60 people logging in simultaneously
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| 06:03 | useful to know, thanks!
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| 08:10 | <emence> is there a way to lock down the desktop so the users cannont right click and make folders and such? Kind of like group policies?
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| 08:28 | <sep> emence, make it read only. and owned by root ?
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| 08:34 | <emence> sep: good idea!
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| 08:35 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know how to install a firefox plugin so that all users are able to use it?
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| 08:39 | <faranda> hi there...
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| 08:39 | <Ghidorah> Hello
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| 08:40 | <faranda> Hi Ghidorah.. I have some question about my LTSP server
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| 08:41 | <Ghidorah> I'll do my best to help
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| 08:42 | <faranda> ltsp works perfectly for my local network
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| 08:42 | <Ghidorah> ok
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| 08:42 | <faranda> sometimes I need that the terminals are connected via VPN
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| 08:43 | for which I use freenx-server and nxclient
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| 08:43 | The problem is that when using NX, I lose the ability to mount USB devices
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| 08:44 | I use ltspfs for that...
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| 08:44 | <Ghidorah> so you're trying to mount a USB device on a terminal while connecting via VPN?
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| 08:45 | <faranda> yes.. through NX...
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| 08:46 | <faranda> in slow connection, NX works much better than simple X-ssh
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| 08:46 | <Ghidorah> I'm affraid I do not know how to help with this
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| 08:47 | <faranda> ok, thanks... i keep looking
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| 08:50 | <Tass_> I'm trying to combine pam_mount with sshfs (http://sprunge.us/HDJK + http://sprunge.us/eQaX), but I keep getting '-failed password for ...'
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| 10:17 | <Ghidorah> does anyone know how to set the proxy type for all users in firefox?
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Use google translate on this topic: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?topic=1619.0
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| 10:18 | Sorry I got something to do right now so I can't extract the necessary info for you - if you don't manage to do it ping me later.
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| 10:33 | <sean74> hi alkisg
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| 10:34 | alkisg: i tried connecting the HP OfficeJet, the scanner was working but the printer was not detected
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| 10:35 | alkisg: i go to system -> administrator -> printing, there was no printer displayed and it was connected to the server ip.
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| 10:35 | alkisg: any advice?
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| 10:41 | <atkuepker> is CUPS running?
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| 10:42 | rather annoying question, but ours crashing quite a bit.
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| 10:42 | s/crashing/crashes/
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| 10:42 | <sean74> atkuepker: CUPS running? in client or server?
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| 10:42 | atkuepker: were you talking to me?
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| 10:43 | <atkuepker> yeah. I'd assume server, but I don't run FatClient either, so i can't speak to that.
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| 10:43 | I'd imagine that CUPS would have to be running on the client if you were operating the FatClient, eh?
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| 10:46 | <sean74> atkuepker: hmmmm
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| 10:47 | atkuepker: maybe
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| 10:47 | atkuepker: you suggest that i should install cups server on the client site?
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| 10:48 | atkuepker: do i need to add the printer_0_device in the /var/tftpboot/...../lts.conf?
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| 10:48 | <atkuepker> I wouldn't think so unless you were running the FatClient chroot
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| 10:49 | <atkuepker> ours worked fine right out of the box without an lts.conf and CUPS on the server. But the CUPS service does crash a fair bit in a heterogenous network.
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| 10:50 | <sean74> atkuepker: you meant that the CUPS service needs to be installed. sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386 apt-get install cups??
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| 10:50 | atkuepker: something like that?
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| 10:50 | <atkuepker> Not necessarily
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| 10:50 | are you running the FatClient chroot?
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| 10:52 | <sean74> atkuepker: do you meant, chroot /opt/ltsp/fati386??
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| 10:52 | atkuepker: this is how is build the client. sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --chroot fati386 --fat-client-desktop ubuntu-desktop
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| 10:53 | <atkuepker> Ah, so you are running fat client.
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| 10:54 | <sean74> atkuepker: when i load the system->administrator->printing. it keeps showing me the server ip instead of local host
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| 10:55 | <atkuepker> If it's already in the chroot, you might want to make sure it's running on the client. If it's not already there, I'll have to defer to the developers. I run about a dozen thin client installations here but no fat client.
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| 10:57 | <sean74> atkuepker: how can i configure the thin client in order to use the printer attached to the device? maybe i can try the configuration on fat client
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| 10:58 | atkuepker: what do you meant by "already in the chroot"?
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| 11:19 | <sean74> hi hi, anybody can guide me, on fatclient local printer not working but scanner working. i connect a 3 in 1 HP Officejet
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| 12:16 | <sean74> hi hi, anybody can guide me, on fatclient local printer not working but scanner working. i connect a 3 in 1 HP Officejet
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| 12:17 | hi alkisg
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 12:17 | <sean74> i tried to attached the printer but no luck
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| 12:17 | <Ghidorah> that you for the link earlier alkisg
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| 12:17 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: did you manage to get it going?
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| 12:18 | <sean74> on fatclient local printer not working but scanner working. i connect a 3 in 1 HP Officejet
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| 12:18 | funny?
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| 12:18 | <Ghidorah> Yeah
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> sean74: does that work in a normal ubuntu installation?
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| 12:19 | <sean74> yup
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| 12:19 | working fine
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| 12:19 | tested on my laptop
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| 12:19 | even i connect to virtual machine
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| 12:19 | <alkisg> Is the user in the lpadmin group?
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| 12:20 | <sean74> my user was in ltsp-user
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| 12:20 | self create group
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| 12:20 | <alkisg> That doesn't help though
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| 12:20 | <sean74> do you meant i need to include the user in lpadmin?
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| 12:21 | <alkisg> Try with a user that is in admin + lpadmin groups, to make sure it isn't some permissions issue
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| 12:21 | <sean74> sure, 5mins
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| 12:26 | <sean74> alkisg: while waiting, do you have any recommendation on Accounting System for Linux? Like MYOB
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| 12:27 | <Ynnek> Hi all.
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| 12:28 | <sean74> alkisg: do i need to rebuild the image?
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> No
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| 12:30 | <Ynnek> i'm triying to pass parameters to the kernel for thin clients.... but doesn't work...
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> Ynnek: distro/version?
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| 12:30 | <sean74> alkisg: booting..., i should see the printer in the system->administration->printing?
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> And, type of clients? pxe or etherboot?
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| 12:30 | sean74: yes
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| 12:31 | <Ynnek> alkisg: Ubuntu 8.04.3 LTS, kernel 2.6.24-24-generic
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| 12:31 | <alkisg> Ynnek: are you trying with /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 12:31 | <sean74> alkisg: not good. nothing there. basically it shows or pointing to the ltsp server
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| 12:31 | <Ynnek> alkisg: I need to pass acpi=force parameter
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| 12:32 | <sean74> alkisg: the printing box title was showing printing - 192.168.10.10 (which is the server ip) and all option in the printer menu was disable
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| 12:32 | <Ynnek> alkisg: yes.
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| 12:32 | <alkisg> sean74: I'm not really sure if you have a thin or a fat client there. Maybe I could check with vnc when we both have some free time.
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| 12:32 | Ynnek: can you paste that file to pastebin?
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| 12:32 | !pastebot
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| 12:32 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 12:33 | <Ynnek> alkisg: I have one line in this archive: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash acpi=force
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> Looks good. And, your client does not receive it?
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| 12:33 | <Ynnek> alkisg: nop. no yet... =/
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> Ynnek: how did you verify that?
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| 12:34 | <Ynnek> I need to do something more?
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> No, but how are you sure that this isn't working?
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| 12:35 | <sean74> alkisg: but i check the ram was different from the server
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| 12:35 | <sean74> alkisg: and when i attached the 3in1 HP printer the scanner was working fine
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| 12:35 | <Ynnek> alkisg: because still display the message: ... acpi=force required, etc...
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| 12:36 | <alkisg> Ynnek: hmmm but maybe that message is wrong. To check if the parameter got through, put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, and then switch to vt2, and run `cat /proc/cmdline`.
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| 12:37 | <Ynnek> alkisg: Ok, i'll try that, right now
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| 12:40 | alkisg: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> var/lib
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| 12:44 | <Ynnek> alkisg: perfect. vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash acpi=force
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Ynnek: ok, so the parameters is fine, tell the complaining program to shut up :)
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| 12:46 | <Ynnek> alkisg: ;-)
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| 12:47 | <Ynnek> alkisg: is crazy. I don't undestand ;-o
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> What program is producing this message?
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| 12:53 | <Ynnek> alkisg: ACPI: BIOS age (1999) fails cutoff (2000), acpi=force is required to enable ACPI
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| 12:55 | <sean74> alkisg: gtg, thanks for the help
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> np
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| 12:55 | <sean74> alkisg: if you can advice me on checking the thin or fat client running
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| 12:56 | pls email to me sean.kiong
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| 12:56 | pls email to me sean.kiong@gmail.com
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| 12:56 | good nite
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| 12:58 | <johnny> nobody is gonna do that
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| 12:58 | don't expect an email
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| 12:58 | just come back when you are available
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| 13:00 | <Ynnek> ¿how can i see the log of thin clients in the ltsp server?
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| 13:02 | <sean74> johnny: my bad, rookie here
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| 13:07 | <johnny> Ynnek, that only works if you enable some lts.conf variables and setup your syslog server on your server to accept connections from it
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| 13:07 | on your ltsp server*
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> But you can also just switch to vt2 (SCREEN_02=shell) and run `cat /var/log/xxx`
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| 13:08 | <Ynnek> johnny: thanks for your help
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| 13:10 | alkisg: perfect. But check all logs of thin clients from the server looks more efficient...
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 13:10 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> See *SYSLOG* variables there ^^
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| 13:11 | <Ynnek> alkisg: Thanks!
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| 14:52 | <Ghidorah> does anyone know how to add gnome applets system wide?
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> I think sabayon supports that
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| 14:54 | http://live.gnome.org/Sabayon
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| 14:54 | <Ghidorah> do I install sabayon on both the server aand chroot?
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> No, just the serve
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| 14:56 | r
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| 14:59 | <Eghie> someone knows about problems with Ubuntu Karmic LTSP + Geode client + Xorg high CPU load?
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| 15:00 | <Eghie> am currently debugging that problem
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| 15:00 | cpu load gets 90% en LTSP sessions are terribly slow
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| 15:00 | but on another client, with another hardware it's blazingly fast
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| 15:01 | so, because Xorg gets 90% CPU, I think there lies the problem
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> Eghie: do you have both italc + vino (the vnc server) running?
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| 15:07 | <Eghie> alkisg: no, I don't have vino running
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| 15:07 | <Eghie> alkisg: are they normally fighting?
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Yes, and causing 100% cpu usage
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| 15:08 | So if that user has "remote desktop" enabled, then...
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| 15:08 | <Eghie> although ica uses also port 5900
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Try to stop ica and see if it helps
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| 15:10 | <Eghie> killed all processes with the name ica (ica-launcher and stuff also), but no effect
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> OK, that's not it then
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| 15:10 | <Eghie> port 5900 is not the problem, because now nobody listens to that port anymore
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> So the same user on another (non geode) client has no problem?
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| 15:11 | <Eghie> indeed
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| 15:12 | same server, same network, same cables, but other client has no problem
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| 15:12 | but if it's another geode client, it's the same problem again
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> And if you use XSERVER=vesa?
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| 15:12 | <Eghie> I could try
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| 15:17 | <Eghie> ah just got a suggestion using oprofile
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| 15:17 | seems worth the try if the vesa driver doesn't give a clue
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| 15:20 | nah, vesa driver gives the same result
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Weird
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| 15:21 | <Eghie> am trying oprofile
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| 15:22 | maybe that will give me a clue
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Eghie: see also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HighCPU
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| 15:24 | <Eghie> alkisg: thanks, but I already read that, but the suggestions there aren't helping me
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| 15:24 | <Eghie> i've tried killing processes
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| 15:24 | gdb doesn't help me
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| 15:25 | and tried currently 2 different drivers
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| 15:25 | but the last part could be further tested
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> johnny: I tried the boot manager you proposed to me (http://www.plop.at) and it worked fine, I'm booting from usb using a floppy. Thanks, you saved me from burning kernels to CDs every now and then ;)
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| 15:34 | <johnny> well, i heard that eventually grub2 will be able to do the same thing
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| 15:34 | by including their own better usb driver
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| 15:34 | but until then..
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Grub2 will do a lot of things eventually, but until then, my old laptop will be completely unusable :)
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| 15:35 | <johnny> hah :)
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| 15:35 | yes.. i meant but until then, at least you have something working
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> I'm still waiting for it to support proper pxe booting...
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| 15:35 | Yup I got you
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| 15:47 | <vagrantc> i did use grub2 for network booting at one point ...
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| 15:47 | even stuck a branch for support for ltsp...
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| 15:48 | although i think that was still using etherboot or gpxe to boot from
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| 15:50 | <alkisg> Yes it has some pretty old etherboot version embedded
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| 15:50 | But it had some problems, I couldn't get it to properly boot and I was told on the mailing list that it's not usable yet
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| 15:54 | <johnny> fedora still doesn't have grub2
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| 15:54 | <Lns> yeah i went to a local lug last week about grub2 and they said it's not really production ready yet
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| 15:54 | <johnny> and yet.. it's default in ubuntu
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| 15:54 | <Lns> but of course! ;)
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| 15:54 | since 9.10
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| 15:54 | <johnny> it's just a boot loader tho.. not sure why the hell it takes so log
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| 15:54 | long*
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| 15:55 | especially since it already worked before :)
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| 15:55 | <Lns> johnny: think of all of the different things they must be compatible with.
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| 15:55 | <johnny> sure.. but there must be some middle ground there
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| 15:55 | <Lns> now we have SSDs, usb keys, VMs, 64-bit, new archs wanting to be supported, etc. etc.
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| 15:55 | <johnny> between throwing everything out.. and reuing everything
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| 15:55 | Lns, sure, but that's not actually required for grub2
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| 15:56 | compatibility with grub1 in a cleaner fashion to allow for those things..
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| 15:56 | <Lns> what isn't?
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| 15:56 | <johnny> should have lead to a grub release much earlier
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| 15:56 | <Lns> well i think it was one of those "this is old and unmaintainable" things
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| 15:56 | <johnny> and then the rewrite takes longer than it should
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| 15:56 | rewriting from scratch is almost never the answer
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| 15:56 | <Lns> johnny: well then patch grub1! =)
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| 15:57 | <johnny> well i think they are past the point of doing that now
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| 15:57 | <Lns> they
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| 15:57 | i meant you
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| 16:00 | <Ghidorah> is there a sabayon ppa?
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| 16:00 | Or does anyone know of a way to lockdown the menus in gnome?
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Lockdown the menus? I thought you asked about adding more applets...
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| 16:01 | <Ghidorah> past that now :)
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| 16:02 | <Lns> Ghidorah: you can try seeing if any info at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize would help
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| 16:02 | <Ghidorah> sabayon did the trick fo the applets
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: here's the sabayon ppa, if you need some newer version: https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
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| 16:02 | It's in the archives for lucid though
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| 16:02 | <Ghidorah> same version?
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| 16:03 | dang
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| 16:03 | so close to moving this thing into testing
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| 16:10 | <Eghie> hmm oprofile doesn't give me any cleu
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| 16:10 | clue
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| 16:10 | http://pastebin.com/4VJUs06R
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| 16:15 | intel i915 graphics chip gives 1% Xorg
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| 16:15 | but geode 90%
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> try seaching launchpad for existing bugs, ask in #ubuntu-x, file a new bug... :)
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| 16:16 | <Eghie> with i915 module, it give in lsof output: /drm mm object
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| 16:17 | but with the geode, it doesn't give that
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| 16:17 | <Eghie> I suppose then it's not using DRM
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: is there any way to pass the username to the rdesktop screen script?
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| 16:30 | Or does it have -u '' hardcoded?
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| 17:32 | <sweetpi> I was having a problem booting ltsp that I fixed by disabling acpi, but now I cant power down the computer. acpi works fine on the local os, so Im thinking I dont actually need to disable it. Any ideas?
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| 17:37 | <johnny> try again without disabling it :)
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| 17:38 | <sweetpi> hehe, ive tried that. and also pci=noacpi which should allow shutdown
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| 17:39 | <johnny> i think the smarter people have already gone home for the day (weekend)
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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| 17:46 | ...try whatever acpi and apm variations you find there...
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| 17:47 | <sweetpi> wow nice, i didnt know there were that many acpi options. thx
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> E.g. pci=noacpi might boot your client while keeping shutdown working
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| 17:48 | Ugh sorry you've tried that one
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| 17:48 | (did it boot with *just* pci=noacpi?)
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| 17:49 | <sweetpi> no
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Boot the same os as a thin client and locally, run lsmod and compare the results
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| 17:51 | Then try to make ltsp use the exact same modules as when it boots locally
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| 17:51 | (use the same distro version)
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| 17:52 | <alkisg> Didn't you say it works fine locally?
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| 17:52 | LTSP uses modules=netboot, so it might have some differences there
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| 17:53 | <sweetpi> yes, but an older version of ubuntu
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> You can boot a live cd with the current version. Netboot it even.
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| 17:53 | <sweetpi> i thought it might be the framebuffer, but i disabled it and it does the same thing
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| 17:54 | yeah that sounds better.. actually i already have the server setup for it
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-75
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| 17:55 | Time for bed... bye all
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| 18:04 | <sweetpi> hmm the live cd isnt loading acpi
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| 21:08 | <PMantis> Hi everyone
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