IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 November 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:50 | <alkisg> Gadi: if an ltsp client doesn't have a sound card, it can't play videos, because it lacks a default sink
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| 00:50 | `pactl load-module module-always-sink` fixes that, maybe we should include a default sink by... default?
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| 00:50 | It's there on standalone installations
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| 09:35 | <rickogden> morning all
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 09:44 | <muppis> Morning.
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| 09:54 | <rickogden> I've suddenly started getting connection refused from the nbd server
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| 09:54 | and when I do /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart it says " Could not parse config file: Could not open config file /etc/nbd-server/config.", turns out the config file doesn't exist
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| 09:55 | I don't think it has ever existed
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Yes, nbd is started from /etc/inetd.conf
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| 09:56 | <rickogden> ahh
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| 09:58 | that's strange, there's no port 2000, I'll create one for it
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| 09:59 | <Guest34754> hi guys
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| 09:59 | if i run a ltsp server
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| 10:01 | anyone trys to boot a client with to a static server without dhcp?
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| 10:01 | or any ideas+
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| 10:03 | whats to be the best solution
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| 10:03 | <alkisg> Guest34754: to use gpxe, and put an embedded script with the networking info
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| 10:03 | !gpxe
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| 10:03 | <ltsp> alkisg: gpxe: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 10:04 | <Guest34754> i use this
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| 10:04 | <Hyperbyte> Guest34754, or if you just want the clients to always have the same IP addresses, you can make your DHCP server hand out static IP addresses as well.
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| 10:05 | <Guest34754> i have accually the problem that i don`t want the ltsp sends out dhcps
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| 10:05 | so i loaded the gpxe loader
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| 10:05 | but anyone of you tried to boot static
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> Yes, I told you the solution above
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| 10:05 | <Guest34754> because i have loaded image rom-o-matic dhcp works fine
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> You don't need a dhcp server at all to boot with gpxe AND an embedded script
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| 10:06 | <rickogden> Guest34754: http://www.rickogden.com/2010/06/ltsp-part-1-gpxe/
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> If you don't know what an embedded script is, use google translate on this message: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=1451.msg24373#msg24373
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| 10:06 | <rickogden> ignore the solution to the problem (it's outdated)
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| 10:07 | <Guest34754> o my greek is not so good at the moment
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| 10:08 | <alkisg> That's why I said "use google translate", please read my messages :)
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| 10:08 | bbl
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| 10:08 | <Guest34754> if i try to create an image on website romomatic with embedded script
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| 10:08 | <Guest34754> and can set it up if i put it there
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| 10:11 | <rickogden> Guest34754: what I ended up doing was building my own image from a script
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| 10:11 | found it easier than rom-o-matic
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| 10:14 | <Guest34754> aha
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| 10:14 | so you load tarball
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| 10:15 | and compile it?
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| 10:15 | <rickogden> yep
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| 10:15 | my script does: dhcp eth0
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| 10:15 | <Guest34754> with static.boot gpxe..
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| 10:15 | Ok thanks I`ll try this
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| 10:15 | but for 99% we will here us
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| 10:15 | again
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| 10:16 | <rickogden> kernel tftp://{server-ip}/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz nbdroot={server-ip}:2000 nbd_proxy=false
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| 10:17 | initrd tftp://{server-ip}/ltsp/i386/initrd.img
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| 10:17 | boot vmlinuz
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| 10:17 | that's my script
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| 10:18 | the only down side to this is I have to use the lts.conf file which is in the chroot as opposed to the tftp directory (so I have to update the image each time)
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| 11:49 | <chrisjrob> i am running debian lenny, and wanted to build a second chroot using debian squeeze. i felt fairly comfortable to use ltsp-build-client to do this, but are there any gotchas in running a different distribution on the client and server?
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| 13:16 | <Roasted> hello!
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| 14:06 | <chrisjrob> ah well, no response. I went ahead and installed the second chroot, and added lines for options root-path and filename in dhcpd.conf and it Just Worked
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| 14:06 | and better still my new atom clients have all now spring into life
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| 14:06 | ltsp++
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| 14:13 | <matrix3000> morning guys
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| 14:14 | morking alkisg
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> Hi matrix3000
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| 14:17 | <matrix3000> chrisjrob: that's cause no one was in here haha
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| 14:19 | <chrisjrob> the only answer is that we should all live on UCT forthwith
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| 14:19 | pass the word around
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| 14:21 | <matrix3000> ha
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| 14:21 | nope
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| 14:31 | <mistik1> What is ltsp currently using to provide audio on the thin-clients?
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| 14:32 | <ogra_> pulse
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| 14:32 | <mistik1> hrmm
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| 14:33 | ogra_: Do you know if anyone has done experiments with netjack?
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| 14:33 | <ogra_> no idea
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| 14:33 | pulse is used since 5 years now without many probs
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| 14:34 | <mistik1> I have a project comming up where I think I'll need to provide the thin client with realtime audio
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| 14:34 | <ogra_> then you should consider local apps for the audio stuff
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| 14:34 | and probably run jack locally
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| 14:35 | <ogra_> realtime audio via network wont really be real time :)
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| 14:35 | <mistik1> sure it will
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| 14:35 | <ogra_> (note that the pulse setup ltsp uses streams from the server)
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| 14:36 | <mistik1> In my situation I'll have samples and applications on the server
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| 14:36 | <ogra_> well, then network latency might kill your realtime dream
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| 14:36 | <mistik1> I'm thinking jack running on the thin-client acting as a netjack slave to the server
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| 14:37 | <ogra_> you will still have a saturated network if you use graphical stuff
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| 14:37 | <mistik1> ogra_: Its not something I would attempt in a busy net
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| 14:37 | This is more like two machines on an audio server
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| 14:37 | <ogra_> ah, yeah, that might be okayish ... though still not realtime
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| 14:39 | <mistik1> realtime is a bit of a misnomer in this situation, jack timestamps everthing so even if there is some latency its compensated for and everything still plays in the correct order, if you know what I mean
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| 14:39 | btw, We already have very good operation with netjack hooking up different sample boxes to DAW box
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| 14:40 | <ogra_> well, if nobody changed the code since i added pulse you should still be able to specify a different sound server ...
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| 14:40 | though i guess the code changed a lot since :)
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| 14:40 | <mistik1> heh
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| 14:40 | <ogra_> (havent touched ltsp for 4 years now)
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| 14:41 | <mistik1> ogra_: Remember I used to do the sound server stuff, that was before yours so I dont even want to guess at what I would see, which is why I asked :)
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| 14:42 | <ogra_> before mine ? that was ltsp 4.2 then :)
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| 14:42 | <mistik1> yep
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| 14:42 | <ogra_> didnt that use esound ?
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| 14:42 | <mistik1> I've not touched 5 series at all
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| 14:42 | back then it was esound or arts
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| 14:43 | there was also another one....nsd or something like that
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| 14:43 | nasd
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| 14:43 | <ogra_> well, pulse isnt worse than esd when it comes to network streaming
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| 14:43 | yeah, never touched nasd and i think it was even dead upstream when i started with 5
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| 14:46 | * mistik1 dreams of building an audio processing cluster one day. | |
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:11 | <mistik1> Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:30 | <mgariepy> good morning
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| 15:30 | hey sbalneav the other day you where wondering what you would put in front of your users, what's about xfce ?
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| 15:38 | <jason00> Hello! Quick question... a colleague (tech teacher) wants me to demo some projects I've worked on. I agreed to load up FOG and LTSP on a spare system to show Windows imaging as well as Linux thin clients. The only question I have is FOG and LTSP both utilize DHCP from the server, however LTSP's "DHCP" resides elsewhere. Can FOG and LTSP co-exist and both run DHCP-Server without issue on the same box with the same nic?
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> You can only have one DHCP server in a network.
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> However, LTSP can work with any DHCP server, as long as it sends the correct boot options along with the DHCP lease.
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| 15:47 | It doesn't matter at all if the DHCP server is on the same host as the LTSP server; in my network I have a seperate network server, which hands out the IP addresses, for example.
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| 15:47 | <jason00> Hyperbyte: there IS only one DHCP server...
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| 15:47 | I just want to make sure FOG and LTSP can co-exist on the same DHCP Server.
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| 15:47 | <Hyperbyte> I don't see why they couldn't.
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| 15:47 | I don't know what FOG does
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| 15:47 | <jason00> The only reason I bring it up is FOG uses /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:47 | whereas LTSP is different
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| 15:47 | /etc/ltsp or whatever
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| 15:48 | <Hyperbyte> But if it uses PXE boot, you'll have to configure per mac address which client gets LTSP and which one gets FOG (assuming FOG PXE boots)
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| 15:48 | <jason00> Have you heard of Norton Ghost?
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| 15:48 | Yes, FOG PXE boots. Dang I didn't think of that.
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| 15:48 | Then it won't know whether to go to the FOG menu or boot as a thin client.
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| 15:48 | <Hyperbyte> jason00, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is the same sort of file as /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf...
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| 15:48 | <jason00> That's what I thought, but like I said, just wanted to make sure. :D
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| 15:49 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP uses /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf so it doesn't conflict with existing dhcpd configuration.
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| 15:49 | <jason00> But the PXE thing is a far greater concern... I forgot that....
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| 15:49 | Maybe it would be easier to toss in a PCI NIC and set up two networks.
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| 15:49 | After all, this is just a demo PC.
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| 15:50 | I just want this single box to have the capability to demo two awesome products for both linux and windows networks.
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| 15:52 | <chrisjrob> jason00: as you won't need fog on the ltsp network - a twin network card approach might uit
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| 15:52 | *suit
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| 15:53 | i.e. the ltsp server sits on the "fog" network, but the clients sit on a sub-network served by it's own dhcp network
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| 15:53 | (on the ltsp server)
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| 15:54 | <jason00> not sure I follow, but I figured I would just set up two networks. 192.168.1.1, and 192.168.0.1
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| 15:54 | 0.1 being LTSP, 1.1 being FOG
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| 15:54 | /24 and they'd be segregated
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| 15:54 | not sure if I just re-worded what you were trying to say?
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| 15:55 | <chrisjrob> i have't explained myself well
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| 15:55 | you have your main network, served by the fog dhcp, on which the ltsp server sits
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| 15:55 | and then a second network card in the ltsp server
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| 15:56 | which serves up dhcp to a secondary network
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| 15:56 | can't see why that wouldn't work
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| 15:57 | would mean a separate switch or vlan
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| 15:57 | others here would know better, I'm quite sure
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| 15:58 | <jason00> on my old FOG server, I would have two NICs in it. One used by FOG, the other set up to use DHCP for external access. I don't see why I couldn't mimic that setup but dump LTSP in that place.
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| 15:58 | LTSP 0.1, 1.1 being FOG.
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| 15:58 | The only question is, do I have to set up /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf for FOG and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for LTSP?
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| 15:58 | Or does the /ltsp/dhcpd.conf existing negate use for /dhcp3/dhcpd.conf?
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| 16:00 | <chrisjrob> a single dhcpd.conf file can serve multiple networks
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| 16:00 | if that answers your question
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| 16:01 | don't know fog at all sadly
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| 16:01 | <Hyperbyte> jason00, yes. Look in the init script for the dhcpd server in /etc/init.d
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| 16:01 | You'll see a line which says "if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists, use that file rather than the default config"
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| 16:02 | So you need to use one config file, or the other.
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| 16:02 | ---->
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| 16:03 | <veloutin> eh I did setxkbmap us intl altgr
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| 16:03 | <veloutin> woops, bad window
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| 16:06 | <stgraber> veloutin: bah, I'm in both anyway
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| 16:07 | <veloutin> stgraber: I know ^^
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| 16:16 | <jason00> Hyperbyte: so I could just set up two scopes in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, one for FOG, one for LTSP, and call it a day...
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| 16:40 | <sbalneav> mgariepy: Yeah, that's what I'm settling on.
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| 16:40 | Now I just need to figure out how to do "enterprise" deployments:
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| 16:40 | i.e. predefine some panel defaults, menu defaults, etc.
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| 16:50 | <chrisjrob> sbalneav: but is there a lock-down editor for XFCE? kiosk-tool for KDE, pessalus for Gnome, never heard of one for XFCE
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| 16:52 | <sbalneav> chrisjrob: doubt it. I'm not worried about a lockdown editor.
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| 16:52 | <chrisjrob> ah good
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| 16:52 | <sbalneav> I just want sane defaults when the user launches their desktop for the first time
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| 16:53 | after that, if they bugger up their desktop, I just do a "rm -rf .xfce*" and get them back to defaults and tell them "Fool around with settings at your own risk" :)
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| 16:54 | <chrisjrob> http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
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| 16:56 | <sbalneav> chrisjrob: thanks. Bookmarked.
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| 16:57 | <chrisjrob> i have the same problem coming up fast
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| 16:57 | we're currently using kde 3.5
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| 16:57 | need to decide whether we go kde4 or gnome3
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| 16:57 | *sigh*
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| 16:58 | <sbalneav> Gnome 3's simply "too different" for our users.
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| 16:58 | <chrisjrob> actually not sure kiosktool has been updated yet for kde4, seems to be something of a work in progress
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| 16:58 | <sbalneav> And, bluntly, it doesn't work on our hardware. Our thin clients don't do hardware accelleration.
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| 18:05 | <mgariepy> chrisjrob, there is a simple way to lock stuff in xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
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| 18:05 | <chrisjrob> mgariepy: thanks, i found that afterward, and posted it to sbalneav
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| 18:06 | <mgariepy> ha ;)
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| 18:06 | <chrisjrob> but theres no GUI how will we cope?
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| 18:06 | <mgariepy> i didn't read all the channel.. ;)
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| 18:06 | <chrisjrob> wise man
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| 18:07 | or woman
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| 18:07 | <mgariepy> if you are talking about me, man ;P
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| 18:07 | <chrisjrob> so difficult to tell in irc
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| 18:07 | sadly "man" is a fair assumption
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| 18:07 | <mgariepy> indeed.
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| 18:08 | i need to do some testing with edubuntu-menu-editor to see if i can apply about the same in xfce and gnome 2.x
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| 18:12 | * chrisjrob watches a test client prompt with a 5 minute warning to shutdown | |
| 18:12 | <chrisjrob> yay, it works
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| 20:17 | <knipwim> alkisg: i made some changes to debian's ltsp-chroot script
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| 20:18 | so it also works on gentoo
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| 20:18 | and leaving it intact for debian
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| 20:19 | not sure whether to merge the changes tough
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| 20:21 | hmm, i see ubuntu also uses this
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| 20:48 | <chrisjrob> never noticed the ltsp-chroot script before
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| 20:49 | pity you can't specify an alternative chroot, e.g. ltsp-chroot --chroot /opt/ltsp/alt
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| 20:53 | <knipwim> chrisjrob: ltsp-chroot --base /opt/ltsp/alt :)
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| 20:54 | <chrisjrob> knipwim: does that work?
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| 20:54 | <knipwim> you got have an arch in the alt dir
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| 20:55 | like /opt/ltsp/alt/i386
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| 20:55 | <chrisjrob> ah, no
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| 20:55 | <knipwim> the chroot in the script is made from --base and --arch
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| 20:55 | <chrisjrob> it is not a base
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| 20:55 | i have i386 in /opt/ltsp, and another chroot "i386-squeeze"
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| 20:55 | which is based on debian squeeze instead of lenny
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| 20:56 | <knipwim> id, that doesn't work
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| 20:56 | i use different bases for that, in your case, a /opt/ltsp-squeeze/i386 and an /opt/ltsp-lenny/i386
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| 20:57 | <chrisjrob> ah
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| 20:57 | *sigh*
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| 20:57 | i think that falls under the category of "it's working"
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| 20:58 | <knipwim> :)
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| 20:58 | i was really glad i found it
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| 20:58 | was using a much less elegant way of chrooting
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| 21:02 | <mgariepy> root@ltsp-lab:~# ltsp-chroot -p -a lucid
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| 21:03 | knipwim, what changes did you made ?
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| 21:03 | i would like to change the prompt when inside a chroot
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| 21:04 | <knipwim> mgariepy: depending on the distro (from lsb_release) perform different package mounts and umounts basically
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| 21:05 | my version now supports Ubuntu and Debian for the previous behaviour, and added Gentoo's
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| 21:05 | all other distro's only have proc mounting and basic chrooting
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| 21:05 | <mgariepy> this way you would know what you are changing. and also i would like to add some locking so it's not possible to be 2 editing the same chroot at the same time.
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| 21:06 | <chrisjrob> is there a serious problem with just using chroot, and mounting and umounting proc and sys as required?
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| 21:07 | <knipwim> you wouldn't want the chroot inside a production environment
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| 21:07 | unless you know what you're doing
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| 21:07 | <mgariepy> it's not a serious problem but using ltps-chroot you only have 1 command to execute instead of 3 or 4..
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| 21:07 | <mgariepy> i always use ""ltsp-chroot -p""
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| 21:08 | <knipwim> same here (in my old script anyways)
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| 21:08 | <knipwim> chroot, do some maintanance, exit and unmount
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| 21:12 | <chrisjrob> I'm pretty sure ltsp-chroot didn't exist when I started with ltsp
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| 21:15 | <knipwim> released 2009-10-12
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| 21:18 | <chrisjrob> a recent innovation then :)
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| 21:42 | <abeehc> things move fast
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| 22:42 | <alkisg> knipwim: hi! Can you pastebin the new ltsp-chroot code?
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