IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 July 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <andygraybeal> it's just a keyboard, mouse, video and then usb filesystems.. these things are serving.. nothign fancy.. the work is done back on your server
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| 00:00 | * ball nods | |
| 00:00 | <ball> We need some stronger servers too, but that'll have to wait.
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| 00:01 | <andygraybeal> if you need to have special graphical configurations, that is all done inside of lts.conf -- it will normally auto-configure just fine! and you don't need to touch your lts.conf
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| 00:01 | just make sure you disable that stupid compiz crap
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| 00:01 | <ball> Do I have an lts.conf file for each terminal, each type of terminal or just one per host?
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| 00:01 | <andygraybeal> and your good.
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| 00:02 | lts.conf is global... you can get nutty and have workstation configs in their... but i don't recommend it unless you need it if you have many workstations.
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| 00:02 | what i'm getting at is i bet you'd be fine without any customization.
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| 00:03 | <ball> andygraybeal: I look forward to trying this.
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| 00:03 | <andygraybeal> that is the beauty of this system.. it scales well without a lot of configuration.
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| 00:04 | managing it is a breeze.. you install your applications on the server... what 10 minutes time at most...... and it's like you spent two nights upgrading the whole office. to a new office suite :)
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| 00:04 | oh and you never again forget that one workstation off in the closet that the temp uses like twice a month!
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| 00:05 | <ball> I never do anyway ...I /am/ the temp ;-)
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| 00:05 | Well, I've been here 13 years
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| 00:06 | ...but I'm part-time now.
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| 00:08 | <TheMatrix3000> ha, well at my office i am THE server admin
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| 00:08 | out of an IT department of 5
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| 00:08 | I am the IT Help Desk
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| 00:08 | the System Admin
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| 00:08 | the Network Admin
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| 00:08 | and the User Admin
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| 00:09 | everyone else are developers
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| 00:09 | lol
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| 00:09 | funny part is we are an Inc 500 company 3 years in a row
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| 00:09 | * ball is the I.T. department | |
| 00:09 | <TheMatrix3000> haha
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| 00:10 | <ball> We have about ten desktop PCs, one server (HP ML110) and a few random NetBSD boxen
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| 00:10 | ...and printers and things, obviously.
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| 00:10 | <TheMatrix3000> well, the developers develop code for our interfaces for the company
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| 00:10 | im not a programmer
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| 00:10 | oh yea, internally we have 7 servers
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| 00:10 | * ball misses coding | |
| 00:10 | <TheMatrix3000> including a vmware server
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| 00:10 | and about 70 pcs
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| 00:10 | 60 of which are thin clients
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| 00:11 | <ball> Is vmware the hypervisor? ESXi?
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| 00:11 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 00:11 | ESXi
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| 00:11 | it's pretty nice
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| 00:11 | i use it for OpenLDAP
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| 00:11 | <ball> Do you find that fairly reliable?
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| 00:11 | <TheMatrix3000> and for the intranet site
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| 00:11 | yes
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| 00:11 | i haven't had it crash yet
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| 00:11 | <ball> I've considered buying that.
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| 00:11 | <TheMatrix3000> its free
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| 00:11 | <andygraybeal> i'm an idiot, so i started using zentyal.. for ldap initially.. but now i'm using it for mail server too
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| 00:12 | <TheMatrix3000> ESXi is free
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| 00:12 | <TheMatrix3000> dude, i hated Zentyal, it wouldn't populate our intranet site and ticket system for SSO
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| 00:12 | <andygraybeal> oh and i use kvm... so is kvm not a hypervisor? i'm so confused.
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| 00:12 | <TheMatrix3000> i was pissed
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| 00:12 | <ball> TheMatrix3000: Do Vmware have something that could achieve the fail-over that we're looking for?
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| 00:12 | <andygraybeal> hah what ticket system?
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| 00:12 | <ball> (glue to stick two servers together)?
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| 00:13 | <TheMatrix3000> lol, when you have 70 computers...eek
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| 00:13 | i am using OS Ticket right now
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| 00:13 | and about to implement OTRS
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| 00:13 | * ball is not havening tickets | |
| 00:13 | <andygraybeal> TheMatrix3000, i'm using RT
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| 00:13 | <TheMatrix3000> cause I need to start a database for Asset Management
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| 00:13 | by request of our CFO
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| 00:13 | and for PCI compliance it helps
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| 00:14 | <andygraybeal> does OTRS handle assets that aren't IT related?
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| 00:14 | <TheMatrix3000> i dont know
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| 00:14 | im just responsible for IT assets
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| 00:14 | <andygraybeal> do you have to deal with a payment system?
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| 00:14 | <TheMatrix3000> monitors computers servers
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| 00:14 | yes
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| 00:14 | its how people pay us
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| 00:14 | lol
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| 00:14 | <andygraybeal> what monitoring system do you use?
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| 00:14 | <TheMatrix3000> we meet PCI at the colo
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| 00:14 | i don't know the details
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| 00:14 | that was there before I was hired
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| 00:15 | I think we are PCI-4
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| 00:15 | if i remember correctly
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| 00:15 | <ball> Is PCI a HIPPA thing?
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| 00:15 | <andygraybeal> hippa is medical, pci is payment system
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| 00:15 | <TheMatrix3000> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
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| 00:16 | * ball never heard of it, but then I rarely get paid. | |
| 00:16 | <andygraybeal> are you in the states?
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| 00:16 | <TheMatrix3000> if you sell something and make a lot of business and use or store customer information you need to meet a pci compliance
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| 00:16 | * ball nods | |
| 00:16 | <TheMatrix3000> i am yes
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| 00:16 | <ball> I am now, yes.
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| 00:16 | Ah, we don't have customers.
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| 00:17 | <TheMatrix3000> you know best buy right?
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| 00:17 | they need to meet PCI compliance
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| 00:17 | they are prolly PCI-1
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| 00:17 | Kroger also is another
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| 00:17 | there are many
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| 00:17 | oh I forgot my other title
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| 00:17 | im also the Security Analyst
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| 00:17 | lol
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| 00:17 | <ball> TheMatrix3000: I am aware of Best Buy.
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| 00:17 | <TheMatrix3000> handling network security here
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| 00:18 | <ball> We don't have much in the way of security
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| 00:18 | ...but then people wander in-and-out of the office all the time.
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| 00:18 | <TheMatrix3000> lol
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| 00:19 | for teh first time im implementing SSO to help stop people from using 123456 as a password
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| 00:19 | and using LDAP for authentication to most of our systems
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| 00:19 | including our LTSP servers
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| 00:19 | and NFS shares
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| 00:20 | * ball wouldn't know where to start with LDAP | |
| 00:20 | <andygraybeal> ball, me neither, that' why i am using zentyal
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| 00:20 | <Parker955> make it so people can't use "password" either
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| 00:20 | :p
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| 00:20 | <TheMatrix3000> lol
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| 00:20 | try using FusionDirectory
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| 00:21 | it is amazing
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| 00:21 | started by some developers from the GOSA project
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| 00:21 | it's my favorite thing in the world
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| 00:22 | they even have a script to install the ldifs for you
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| 00:22 | do a /join #fusiondirectory
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| 00:22 | they will help you get started
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| 00:22 | they also have a site with a wiki
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| 00:22 | i was working on some documentation for it
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| 00:24 | <mistik1> fusion directory?
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| 00:24 | <TheMatrix3000> yep
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| 00:25 | its a web interface management for openldap
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| 00:25 | <mistik1> I've not played with ldap in years
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| 00:25 | <TheMatrix3000> also can handle restricting ssh access
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| 00:25 | and all kinds of stuff
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| 00:25 | <mistik1> interesting
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| 00:25 | <TheMatrix3000> ah figured it out
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| 00:25 | <ball> Pity it has to have a Web interface.
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| 00:25 | <TheMatrix3000> i can do redundancy on LTSP with rsync
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| 00:25 | <ball> Why is it that everything these days wants to be a Web server?
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| 00:25 | <TheMatrix3000> no it doesn't have to have one
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| 00:26 | i actually have a server that only has LDAP on it
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| 00:26 | the Fusion Directory web interface is on my webserver
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| 00:26 | completely seperate peice of hardware
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| 00:26 | for good reason
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| 00:28 | <andygraybeal> TheMatrix3000, that sounds bad ass
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| 00:28 | TheMatrix3000, i wish i knew about it earlier
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| 00:28 | oh man i ewven love their logo, dandilion
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| 00:28 | omg, it's brand new
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| 00:29 | <mistik1> too bad its written in php
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| 00:29 | <andygraybeal> well i'll keep my eye on it.
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| 00:29 | <TheMatrix3000> lol
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| 00:29 | it's not really new
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| 00:29 | look at GOSA
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| 00:29 | * andygraybeal looks up gosa | |
| 00:29 | <TheMatrix3000> the developers forked it from GOSA this year because of how GOSA wouldn't produce much documentation
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| 00:30 | so a few developers left and took the code and promised to make it open and easier for developers to make addons etc
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| 00:31 | ione thing to keep in mind though
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| 00:31 | as you increase the amount of services within your organization teh complexity goes up
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| 00:32 | you must meep in mind that if your ldap server fails, users cannot login
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| 00:32 | if your nfs server fails people won't have their home directories
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| 00:32 | <andygraybeal> zentyal i have some replication
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| 00:32 | <TheMatrix3000> so plan for redundancy
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| 00:32 | <andygraybeal> er yea, redundancy
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| 00:32 | <TheMatrix3000> yes, it does
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| 00:32 | but it doesn't store all the information on each servers ldap
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| 00:32 | use an ldap browser and look and compare
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| 00:33 | there are differences
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| 00:33 | <andygraybeal> gah blasted.
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| 00:33 | <TheMatrix3000> hence why i stopped using zentyal
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| 00:33 | <mistik1> Cant you simply setup slaves of whichever ldap server it uses?
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| 00:33 | <TheMatrix3000> i couldn't point joomla to grab the mail attribute from ldap on teh master
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| 00:33 | yes
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| 00:33 | you can
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| 00:33 | that's what im doing now
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| 00:34 | <andygraybeal> with zentyal i have slaves setup
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| 00:34 | <TheMatrix3000> but zentyal isn't an identical slave
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| 00:34 | <andygraybeal> aah okay
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| 00:34 | <TheMatrix3000> hence why i got mad at it
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| 00:34 | <andygraybeal> yes.
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| 00:34 | <TheMatrix3000> cause it didn't copy my entire ldap database
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| 00:34 | <andygraybeal> yes, i don't know if i like it or not.. but i'm using it
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| 00:34 | <TheMatrix3000> it basically grabbed users and that was it
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| 00:35 | it's simple though
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| 00:35 | <andygraybeal> i don't know as much as you do, so i can't compare.
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| 00:35 | <TheMatrix3000> Zentyal is super simple, but my requirements surpassed the ability of Zentyal
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| 00:36 | <andygraybeal> aight, i think i'm out for the day..
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| 00:36 | <TheMatrix3000> later
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| 00:36 | <andygraybeal> yea, nice talking
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| 00:36 | <TheMatrix3000> it was
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| 00:40 | anyone here using rsync on ltsp?
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| 01:50 | <alkisg> nubae: hey man, how are you?
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| 01:52 | <nubae> yeah not too bad
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| 01:52 | u
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| 01:52 | just got flamed out of a channel
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| 01:53 | am surprised... that hasn't happened to me ever I think
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> Everything's fine here :) nubae.com has been down for a while...
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| 01:53 | <nubae> and to believe it was because I wanted to help improve their distro
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| 01:53 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 01:53 | which one? opensuse?
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| 01:53 | <nubae> really
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| 01:54 | ltsplogbot is up though or is that someone elses
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> No idea... we're trying to get the logs to irclogs.ltsp.org, in the official domain
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| 01:54 | <nubae> hmmmm so just site
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| 01:54 | <alkisg> jammcq will do that tomorrow, for now the logs are there: http://www.middelkoop.cc/~ltspbot/
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| 01:55 | <nubae> let me see it was working a week or so a go
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| 01:55 | <alkisg> But we're missing the last 4 months, maybe you have them on your server?
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| 01:55 | <nubae> weird
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| 01:55 | <alkisg> He have from 2006 to 2011/03/07, if you have from March to now you'd fill the missing bits :)
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| 01:58 | <nubae> wow something bad must happened to httpd
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| 01:58 | eveerything else is fine
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| 02:02 | back
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| 02:02 | hmmmmm
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| 02:02 | apache just blew
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| 02:03 | no explanation
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| 02:03 | well take a look its up now
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| 02:03 | last 4 months should be there
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| 02:03 | wow, truly weird
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| 02:04 | u could have emailed :p
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| 02:04 | <alkisg> I thought you'd have seen your whole site's down :D
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| 02:04 | <nubae> actuallly i should have the system email me
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| 02:04 | was away
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| 02:05 | <alkisg> Ah nice, all the logs are there. Do you mind if we host them in irclogs.ltsp.org? He have older years too, sbalneav sent them, since 2006
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| 02:05 | But we're missing the months from march to june, if you could send those...
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| 02:05 | <nubae> 2 weeks go by, u dont always notice if everything else is going
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| 02:06 | no problem, but u do the leg work
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| 02:06 | <alkisg> Sure, just the raw log files would be fine
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| 02:06 | <nubae> u want the bot 2?
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| 02:06 | <alkisg> No we have that up and running
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| 02:06 | <nubae> ok
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| 02:06 | well
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| 02:06 | <alkisg> http://www.middelkoop.cc/~ltspbot/ for a demo
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| 02:06 | It does both factoids + logs
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| 02:07 | <nubae> believe me when i tell u its a mess in there.... several years of ltsp logs
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| 02:07 | day or even hours by hours
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| 02:07 | <alkisg> No no, not all of them, just the last 4 months
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| 02:07 | <nubae> let me get it ready for ya next couple days
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| 02:08 | i know... then u'll have to do some bash or perl magic
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| 02:08 | <alkisg> Also, *if* you want, you could have a redirect from nubae.com/logs to irclogs.ltsp.org, for google to pick up their new location
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| 02:08 | <nubae> yeah lets do that
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| 02:08 | <alkisg> Right, I already did that with sbalneav's logs, the format wasn't correct
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| 02:09 | <nubae> give me a day, its late here
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| 02:09 | cant think
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| 02:09 | <alkisg> He had names like 22-Sun-2011.log, and unfortunately that contained 2 or even 3 days from the same year
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| 02:09 | <nubae> straight
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| 02:09 | need
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| 02:09 | <alkisg> I had to separate them into 2-3 files
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| 02:09 | <nubae> sleep
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| 02:09 | <alkisg> No problem, don't worry.
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| 02:09 | <nubae> ok talk later, thanks for noticing the site downage
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| 02:18 | <benonsoftware> !ops
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| 02:18 | <ltsp> benonsoftware: I do not know about 'ops', but I do know about these similar topics: 'o'
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| 02:21 | <alkisg> !learn ops as To find out who has op in an irc channel, the command is: /msg chanserv access #channel list
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| 02:21 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:35 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 11:35 | Hyperbyte: hey, nice job on the IRC logs
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq :)
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| 11:36 | Let's change the topic and make it official :P
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| 11:36 | <jammcq> yeah, I agree
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> Btw shortening the docs url to "docs.ltsp.org", even if it's just a redirect, would be nice too
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| 11:37 | <jammcq> umm, I dunno where to set that
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| 11:37 | the docs redirect
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> First, type: /topic LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and openSUSE has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org, LTSP Docs: http://docs.ltsp.org
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| 11:38 | (you have the rights to set channel topic)
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| 11:38 | Then, create another cname for docs.ltsp.org and point them to Hyperbyte's server again,
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| 11:38 | <jammcq> ah, that could work
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> And Hyperbyte will create a small page with an http redirect in his server, which will redirect to the sf wiki
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| 11:39 | <jammcq> yeah, /topic I can handle
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| 11:40 | So I'll set a CNAME for docs.ltsp.org and point it to ltspdocs.middelkoop.cc
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| 11:41 | does that sound about right?
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> Now, Hyperbyte's interested in making much more out of the ltsp.org site, if he's allowed to - but I'll let you 2 talk about those yourselves, I was mainly interested about the irc logs :)
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| 11:41 | Just middelkoop.cc will do
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| 11:41 | No need for "ltspdocs" in front of it
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| 11:41 | <jammcq> but middelkoop.cc doesn't resolve to an IP address, does it?
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> It does, it has an A record
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| 11:41 | <jammcq> oh, it does
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| 11:42 | it only doesn't if I type 'middlekoop.cc' :)
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Hehe :D
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| 11:42 | <jammcq> should I change the irclogs cname too?
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 11:50 | ChanServ sets mode: +o jammcq | |
| 11:50 | jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org, LTSP Docs: http://docs.ltsp.org" | |
| 11:52 | <jammcq> Hyperbyte will need to configure something so that docs.ltsp.org works
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Yeah he'll make a vhost and a php redirect there, np
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| 11:52 | Thanks jammcq, you rock :)
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| 11:52 | <jammcq> heh, no prob
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> If you can hang around a bit more, I think Hyperbyte wanted to talk to you about adding more features to ltsp.org
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| 11:53 | <jammcq> alkisg: we may be changing the dates of BTS. It seems that UDS has changed their date, pushing it back a week
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| 11:53 | so to make it easier for our international travelers, we'll possibly push BTS back a week too
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> I think I'll only be able to come if I get a UDS sponsorship, so I prefer if BTS is right next/before UDS. So no problem from me
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| 11:54 | <jammcq> I'll be around all morning, but I may not be focusing on the channel, so if he wants to talk to me, it may take several minutes for me to see it
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> OK
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> Hey jammcq :)
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| 11:55 | <jammcq> hey, there he is
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| 11:55 | nice job on the irclogs
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Yup, the official ltsp.org web designer :D
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| 11:55 | <Hyperbyte> Thanks :)
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| 11:56 | Can I /msg you for a bit?
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| 11:56 | <jammcq> sure
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| 14:37 | <dead_inside> wow the topic has changed
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| 14:39 | its weird though that docs.ltsp.org does not go to ltsp documentation
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| 15:08 | <Hyperbyte> Quite offtopic, but if anyone is wondering what it looks like when a 294 meter high radio broadcast tower collapses in the Netherlands due to fire, this is it:
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| 15:08 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLYdNnA3XUU
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| 15:17 | <knipwim> wow, totally missed that one!
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: reminder to create an apache vhost and a simple php script that does an http redirect from http://docs.ltsp.org to http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page
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| 17:57 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, done. Did it via RewriteRule directly from apache.
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| 18:32 | <roasted> Hi. If I have 2 nics in my server and LTSP is running dhcp, if I plug in both ports without bonding will it somehow balance traffic on its own?
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| 18:32 | or would it be useless?
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| 18:38 | <Hyperbyte> roasted, without bonding the nics will have two different IP addresses, won't they?
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| 18:52 | <roasted> Hyperbyte, I was thinking of putting each NIC IP to be one apart, like 10.52.11.1 and 10.52.11.2
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| 18:52 | Hyperbyte, and both of those IP's would be within the same scope, with 11.1 handing out the IPs
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| 18:53 | I just wonder if 11.2 would handle traffic or if 11.2 would be ignored and 11.1 take the full brunt of *everything
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| 18:53 | *
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| 19:24 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
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| 19:37 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: how did you say you got the guest login working? It was you, wasn't it?
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| 19:38 | <Hyperbyte> Guest login?
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| 19:38 | Oh, you mean the mandatory profile thing?
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| 19:38 | Or temporary profile?
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| 19:39 | Because guest login is easy, via LDM_GUESLOGIN=True and LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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| 19:39 | But I think you know that already
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> The temporary profile thing
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| 19:40 | I think LDM_GUESTLOGIN is a bit of misnomer in ltsp
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| 19:41 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe
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| 19:41 | Well, I ended up creating one guest account per client, as you suggested
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| 19:41 | And configured lts.conf with the correct per-client account details
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| 19:42 | All the accounts are configured to have their home in /misc/<username>/ although you could do it with /home/ as well, I just chose to seperate it
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> Good idea
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| 19:42 | <Hyperbyte> Then I configured autofs on the /misc/<usernames>/ folder
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| 19:42 | File /etc/auto.misc, gast1 -fstype=tmpfs,size=50M,rw :tmpfs
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| 19:42 | Whenever the home directory for the guest is accessed, a new tmpfs is mounted there...
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> 50M? Isn't that too low? I thought firefox cache is 50M...
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| 19:43 | <Hyperbyte> When I booted Firefox it was 35M
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| 19:43 | I gave it 15M room
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| 19:43 | Remember there's not really gonna be a cache, not between sessions anyways.
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> I think while surfing firefox is keeping cache, and the default cache size is 50 M
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| 19:43 | So if a client surfs for e.g. half an hour, he surely will exceed that
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> That's a possibility yeah
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| 19:44 | Well it could be more. :P
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| 19:44 | It's a number...
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> That's why I was thinking of using a real home instead of a tmpfs...
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, but then you need some way to wipe it.
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> Also a tmpfs would limit the number of user accounts
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> tmpfs does that automatically.
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> Wiping at login/logout, preferably via pam
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| 19:44 | <Hyperbyte> That's why I chose tmpfs.
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| 19:45 | <alkisg> Personally i'd prefer on login, so that I would have the user data stored on the server, in case something malicious was reported
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| 19:45 | So I wouldn't even wipe on logout
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| 19:46 | <Hyperbyte> I don't need their home dirs to find out what they did (proxy, network monitoring)
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Any how-to for autofs on ubuntu?
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| 19:46 | <Hyperbyte> It's easy
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| 19:46 | Surprisingly easy
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Will this do? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
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| 19:46 | <Hyperbyte> apt-get install autofs (duh)
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| 19:47 | Make autofs start on boot
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| 19:47 | Edit /etc/auto.master... there you can specify a directory, a configuration and a timeout for the mount. E.g: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60
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| 19:47 | This reads /etc/auto.misc for mountpoints in the /misc dir
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| 19:48 | Then in /etc/auto.misc you can put gast1 -fstype=tmpfs,size=100M,rw :tmpfs
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| 19:48 | Where 'gast1' is the directory in /misc and :tmpfs is the mountpoint
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| 19:48 | Sorry, not the mountpoint, the block device
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| 19:48 | Or partition
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| 19:48 | Or whatever you call it.
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| 19:48 | If you then cd /misc/gast1 it mounts tmpfs on there.
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> Wait, so gast1 is relative to the user home folder?
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| 19:49 | Ah, it mounts on access?
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| 19:49 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah
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| 19:49 | autofs = automatically mount filesystems
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> And when does it unmount it? Automatically when file handles are closed?
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| 19:49 | <Hyperbyte> If you're not going the tmpfs way, you don't need it
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| 19:50 | 21:47 <Hyperbyte> Edit /etc/auto.master... there you can specify a directory, a configuration and a timeout for the mount. E.g: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60
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| 19:50 | :)
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> So timeout is for after all file handles are closed... neat
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| 19:50 | <Hyperbyte> I chose mounting tmpfs using autofs, so I wouldn't ever have to worry about guest files appearing on my filesystem
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| 19:51 | Because wherever you're gonna put the guest home dir, they need write access for .X* files
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| 19:51 | Which means they need write access to their entire home dir, which means they can do all kinds of funky crap on your server. tmpfs and autofs gave me a nice way of limiting storage, wiping it and making sure they couldn't touch the harddisk.
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| 19:52 | It does use some ram of course, but only when the clients are logged in.
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| 19:53 | <alkisg> It's a good idea, I just don't think it would suit anyone. E.g. if you want to give 500 MB tmpfs to 20 users, you're gonna need lots of RAM
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| 19:53 | Also, in some cases keeping some directories would be handy, some teachers have asked for that
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| 19:54 | <Hyperbyte> It suits me, because I only have 1 or 2 guests logged in max, at very sparse occassions.
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> And, you don't prohibit them from using the disk anyway, since they can write to /tmp, right?
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| 19:54 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that is true.
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| 19:55 | But for me it's for the students or volunteers who sometimes visit our office to do some work.
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| 19:55 | It's only 1 or 2 simultaneous max, and I don't want to see any trace of them or their files whatsoever. So tmpfs suits me best.
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| 19:55 | * alkisg is intrigued by the automatic mounting of autofs though... I bet I'll find other use cases for this in the future | |
| 19:56 | <Hyperbyte> Heh... I once did it for enabling employees to upload big files to our website
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| 19:56 | Like brochures, which they send to a printer (as in, printshop)
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| 19:56 | They can't mail it, so it needs to upload.
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> Btw, is the gdm guest session Ubuntu-specific is it there on other distros too?
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| 19:57 | <Hyperbyte> I mounted some public dir on the website via NFS on the local server, via autofs.
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> If it's not Ubuntu specific, we might be able to have ltsp use that for guest sessions
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| 19:57 | /usr/share/gdm/guest-session/guest-session-launch
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| 19:57 | <Hyperbyte> So they click a folder to upload to the webserver, the server mounts NFS, and then presents the freshly NFS mounted folder. I always liked the autofs concept. :)
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> Yeah it sound very handy
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> Haven't tried guest sessions. Not sure if it exists in Fedora.
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| 19:58 | Seems like an Ubuntu thing
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| 19:59 | There's a third party Fedora hosted project that does it, according to Google https://fedorahosted.org/guest-account/
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> Step 1. "Apply gdm-guestlogin.patch to GDM"
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| 20:00 | Not for mass use yet, it seams
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| 20:00 | <Hyperbyte> No
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| 20:00 | But I think it's very likely LTSP and Fedora will part ways anyways.
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| 20:00 | How does Ubuntu's guest account work?
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| 20:01 | It creates a temporary account I guess?
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> I don't know all the bits. It creates a temporary account, spawns a second X server, and logs in there
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| 20:01 | And the guest can't access /home/otherusers
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| 20:02 | <Hyperbyte> I don't think anyone can access another users' home dir, right?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> It's a little unstable too, especially now with KMS, 2 X servers frequently crash
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| 20:02 | By default, all have read access
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| 20:02 | (in debian/ubuntu, don't know about other distros)
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| 20:02 | <Hyperbyte> Ubuntu gives users read access to everyone's home dir by default? :O
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| 20:03 | That's..... wow.
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> Yeah, but of course not for personal folders
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| 20:03 | That was the default for a long time, afaik
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| 20:03 | That's how finger etc worked
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| 20:03 | <Hyperbyte> Fedora doesn't, never has.
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| 20:03 | <alkisg> .plan and other ancient unix staff
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| 20:04 | E.g. up until the last version of gdm, it looked in $HOME/face.png for the user picture to display on the login screen
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 20:04 | Well Fedora's user dir default is drwx------
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> Yeah I just tried on the bot server: umask => 0002 on fedora, 0022 on ubuntu
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| 20:06 | <Hyperbyte> All home dirs and user accounts are created on my Fedora NIS/NFS server... so I'd no idea.
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| 20:06 | But that's pretty different.
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