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Channel log from 7 October 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:59 | <dimtiris82> hi all
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| 07:59 | i am having a problem with ltsp server configuration
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| 08:07 | <dimtiris82> i didnt remember wht i changed when i tried to change the ip address and tried to bridge the physical device with the ltspbr0(emu) device
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| 08:08 | and when i tried to run with ltsp-vmclient it tells me that no ip address found
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| 08:08 | and suggests?
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| 08:10 | also i put the default ipZ on dhcp.conf of ltsp but no access
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| 08:15 | <dimtiris82> none ?
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| 10:03 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi all
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> Hello CAN-o-SPAM
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| 10:10 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi sbalneav !
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| 12:51 | <muttley_> ciao! how can change bightness (gamma) on my thinclient crt...xgamma don't work :(
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| 12:54 | <sbalneav> Ummm, push the brighness control on the monitor up or down? :)
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| 12:55 | <ogra> or wait until sbalneav implemented dbus tunneling ;)
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| 12:55 | then you can use the brightness applet
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| 12:55 | <sbalneav> Or use ltsp_localapp xgamma ....
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| 12:55 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:56 | <sbalneav> I like just adjusting the brightness on the monditor :)
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| 12:56 | Simple, and works :)
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| 12:56 | <ogra> indeed
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> You know what I hate? VMWare sees fit to base it's freaking VM platform on linux, but I have to have a WINDOWS box in order to have the management tools needed to actually CREATE a virtual machine.
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| 12:57 | this sucks.
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| 12:57 | <muttley_> my crt don't have brightness controll!!
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| 12:57 | <ogra> use kvm :)
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| 12:57 | or UEC :)
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| 12:58 | <muttley_> have separeted gamma controll (red green blue)
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| 12:58 | <ogra> muttley_, use ltsp_localapp xgamma then
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| 12:58 | as sbalneav said
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> UEC's what now?
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| 12:59 | I *wanted* to use KVM, but I got outvoted :)
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| 12:59 | <ogra> ubuntu enterprise could
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> vmware's apparently more *enterprisey*
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| 12:59 | <ogra> *cloud
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| 12:59 | <muttley_> ltsp_localapp ?!? this mean install xgamma on thin client (local)
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| 12:59 | <sbalneav> muttley_: yup
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| 13:00 | <ogra> .oO(funny typo though)
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| 13:00 | <muttley_> oooook
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| 13:00 | thank you!
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> It looks like it's part of the "x11-xserver-utils" package
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| 13:00 | so it MAY already be there.
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| 13:00 | <ogra> sbalneav, i hope stgraber jumps on it in lucid so we have cloud supported LTSP :)
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> Lucid what? Llama?
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| 13:01 | <ogra> then it should just become an option on the CD :)
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| 13:01 | lynx
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| 13:01 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 13:01 | Lynx isn't an african animal is it? They're here in North America
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| 13:01 | <ogra> [ ] "install LTSP enterprise could cluster" :)
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| 13:01 | europe too
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| 13:01 | <muttley_> ...and UEC or KVM what is?
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| 13:02 | <ogra> koalas arent african either :)
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| 13:02 | <sbalneav> Well, true
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| 13:02 | ok, so it's not african animals only.
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| 13:02 | <ogra> muttley_, KVM is virtualization software ... clouds are scalable virtual machines
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> I do however, like lynx's. Both the cats, and the web browsers
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| 13:03 | * ogra too | |
| 13:03 | * ogra needs to go packing now ... | |
| 13:03 | <sbalneav> I can't do anything with clouds here at LAM, owing to chain-of-custody concerns.
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| 13:03 | <ogra> pfft
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| 13:04 | you can set up a local cloud server
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| 13:04 | UEC means you run the cloud in *your* DC
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| 13:04 | and just benefit from the endless scalability
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| 13:04 | <sbalneav> Karmic's gonna have all that built in, yes?
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| 13:05 | I think I saw SOME kind of large cat-like creature out at my cottage a couple of weeks ago.
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| 13:05 | <ogra> yup
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> Might have been a lynx
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| 13:05 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:06 | * ogra has a bunch of racoons in the garden | |
| 13:06 | <sbalneav> So far, I've had (at the cottage)
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| 13:06 | <muttley_> i'll try ltsp_localapps :) ...tnx again!
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| 13:07 | <ogra> but i really need to go packing ...
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> Skunks, black bears, wolves, foxes, great grey owls, deer, racoons, mice, squirrels, hawks, and about 1x10^8 species of birds.
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| 13:07 | * ogra drives to amsterdam tomorrow .... | |
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| 13:07 | <ogra> not for clouds though ...
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| 13:07 | <sbalneav> Whatcha doing there?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> maemo.org summit
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> Taking Susie?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> nope
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| 13:08 | work stuff
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| 13:08 | and we have nobody for the animals
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> I hear there's good beer in Amsterdam :)
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| 13:08 | Hoist a pint for me :)
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| 13:08 | <ogra> well, amstel
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> phht
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| 13:08 | <ogra> will do :)
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> I'm sure there's better local stuff
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| 13:09 | <ogra> for sure, i'll dig something up to have it for you ...
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| 13:09 | * ogra & | |
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| 14:28 | <kusznir> Hi all: I'm new to LTSP5 (I had been 'current' back in the 4.2 days), and I'm trying to set up a test Ubuntu server. Unfortunately, all the packages and docs assume a fairly basic setup, which does not match mine, and I can't seem to find enough documentation/files to set it up.
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| 14:28 | Basically, I'm trying to run this in an "enterprise network". I have an existing dhcp server, which I can modify the next-server, filename, and option root-path dhcp options. I have another server that does TFTP, but I don't mind if the ubuntu LTSP server does this.
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| 14:29 | The LTSP server must NOT run dhcp (that will break the network / piss off way too many people! :) ).
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| 14:30 | However, as my LTSP box did not have two nics in it, it appears that the setup scripts kinda broke. I have my /opt/ltsp/i386 directory and image, but I don't have any of the pxelinux / kernel / initramfs stuff. It installed dhcp, but did not configure it so I don't know what the magic is for the root-path option to use the image.
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| 14:30 | I also don't know how to verify that whatever is required to serve up the image (is it still NFS?) is actually configured/running.
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> NBD is used now
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| 14:30 | OK, let's take this one by one
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| 14:31 | "I don't have any of the pxelinux / kernel / initramfs stuff" ==> what do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 14:32 | <kusznir> Ok, its there. I didn't know that's where tftpboot is hidden these days (I've always seen it at /tftpboot or /tftproot)
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Next one, to remove dhcp3-server:
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| 14:32 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 14:32 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 14:32 | *yes, do that twice*
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| 14:33 | sudo apt-get --yes --auto-remove purge ltsp-server-standalone
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| 14:33 | *ok you may omit the --yes :)
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| 14:34 | <kusznir> 74.9MB disk space will be freed....wow...
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| 14:34 | thanks for the help, btw.
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| 14:34 | (my system is still thinking/working)
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| 14:35 | btw: Ideally, I think I'd like to run nx as my communication protocol. Is this (easily) supported by current ltsp?
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| 14:35 | Ok, got my prompt back.
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> Other people here use nx more than me, I'll leave that question for them :)
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| 14:36 | Now, to configure your other server.
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| 14:37 | <kusznir> filename, I assume its something like /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0, right?
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> Yes, and you also need to point next-server to your ltsp server
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| 14:38 | <kusznir> Yep. What about the option root-path?
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| 14:38 | That's the big question for me, as I had always done NFS root, and I don't know how to specify NBD.
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> It isn't needed at all :)
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| 14:39 | It's only used in nfs, and ubuntu doesn't use it by default
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| 14:39 | <kusznir> Ok. So it just looks to next-server for that?
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> But I *think* that I've heard about one or two broken pxe clients that do not boot if that's no present, so you may want to put it there just to be safe...
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| 14:40 | Yes, next-server is used as the ltsp server
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 14:41 | <kusznir> Also, with nbd, my lts.conf file won't be editable in the image. I recall in the LTSP docs that this file is tftp-transfered, but I don't see it...
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> You create it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 14:41 | You don't need to update the image to edit the lts.conf anymore
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| 14:43 | <kusznir> ok, thanks. I'll let my dhcp config files update, and try it out!
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| 14:44 | <alkisg> kusznir: I'm a little worried about the 75Mb freed space, though... which packages were removed?
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| 14:45 | (I guess they were left overs from some other installation, and autoremove removed them)
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| 14:51 | <zamba> anyone here familiar with nomachine?
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| 14:51 | <elias_a> The NX client?
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| 14:54 | zamba: Do you mean the NX client?
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| 14:55 | <zamba> yeah, and the whole suite
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| 14:55 | <elias_a> What about it?
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| 15:00 | <elias_a> alkisg: Your comment on FP-40 is very good.
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> elias_a: heh, it's a rather annoying bug :)
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| 15:01 | <elias_a> I do not understand what the dudes at Adobe think they are doing...
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> I think flash *never* supported unicode... so it is a big change for them
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> Really, we were hearing about unicode in delphi since 2004, and it got there in delphi 2009!
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| 15:02 | I'm guessing adobe will need a few more years to get this right :(
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| 15:02 | <elias_a> Well - not supporting Unicode is equivalent of being out of business very soon...
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| 15:03 | But let's hope for the best.
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Nah, the ads don't need unicode :(
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> ...and also the codepages still work in windows
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| 15:04 | <elias_a> On the other hand we have a FLOSS webconferencing tool that handles UTF8 correctly in MacOsX and Linux, too :)
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| 15:04 | Adobe does not :)
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Huh? which one are you talking about?
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| 15:04 | <elias_a> OpenMeetings.
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| 15:05 | * alkisg really wishes all the flash-loving devs of the internet switched to silverlight... at least moonlight works :-/ | |
| 15:05 | * alkisg looks at openmeetings | |
| 15:05 | <elias_a> We used the workaround written by the dude running OpenStreetMaps.
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| 15:06 | So even given the fact that Flash Player is broken we can make the scandinavian characters & other stuff at least seem to work... :)
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| 15:06 | <Guest56707> the video tag is the future hopefully
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Unfortunately workaround don't work for greek :(
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| 15:09 | <elias_a> alkisg: Why not?
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| 15:09 | <kusznir> Is it "normal" for the thin client to take a long time to boot (say, 2 min) that could boot ltsp 4.2 in around 30 sec?
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| 15:10 | <elias_a> kusznir: What distro?
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| 15:10 | <kusznir> Ubuntu 9.04
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| 15:10 | <elias_a> Yes it is.
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> elias_a: They're not on the iso-8859-1 codepage... so we see 2 chars for every 1 greek char
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| 15:11 | kusznir: you may want to try LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf, which is insecure but faster (read the docs about the security implications)
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| 15:15 | <elias_a> alkisg: But that is the situation with the scandinavian characters as well - trying to type ä for example gives certain string of false characters.
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| 15:16 | alkisg: Is it something else you mean?
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| 15:16 | <kusznir> elias_a: Are you familar with NX and its use with LTSP?
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| 15:16 | <elias_a> kusznir: I have used it. It works.
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| 15:16 | <kusznir> (asking you based on some comments a bit firster up to zamba)
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> elias_a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1 ==> ä = 00E4
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| 15:17 | <kusznir> Cool...does it usually perform better than ldm?
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> elias_a: but α (the greek one) isn't there on that table
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| 15:17 | <kusznir> Are there down sides to using it?
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| 15:17 | <elias_a> alkisg: Oh right - and they are not supporting any codepage with greek alphabet?
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Nope, none at all.
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| 15:18 | <elias_a> kusznir: It is like VNC, usable but you notice the latency.
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| 15:18 | <alkisg> Unless of course if I switch my linux to iso-8859-7 and get to a chaos :)
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| 15:18 | <elias_a> alkisg: Shall we go and beat them up? :P
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| 15:18 | * alkisg gets his club.. :D | |
| 15:19 | <alkisg> kusznir: also I think you won't get sound, localdevs etc with nx
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| 15:19 | <elias_a> Hmmm... where's my gun...
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| 15:19 | <kusznir> Oh...ok...I thought NX (at least claims) support for most of that stuff...so I thought it might even be easier.
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| 15:20 | <elias_a> kusznir: Easier than what?
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| 15:20 | <kusznir> I also like the idea of being able to disconnect and reconnect to the session, but perhaps the drawbacks aren't worth it.
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| 15:20 | <elias_a> Oh - that way.
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| 15:20 | <kusznir> According to nomachine's page, nx supports local disk, sound, and printer forwarding "transparently"...I've never tried to get that working before, though, so I don't know how easy it actually was. But they made it sound very easy...
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| 15:21 | <elias_a> NX is OK for example connecting to your office system remotely but you do not want to do it on regular basis.
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| 15:21 | I have never tried sound on NX but I doubt that.
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| 15:21 | <kusznir> Ok. I think I'll have to have nx running for remote users, but it sounds like I'm better off with ldm for local client use.
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| 15:21 | <elias_a> I'll ask Asmo Koskinen about it.
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| 15:25 | <zamba> kusznir: you basically just set up nx on the server, yeah?
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> kusznir: Yes, LTSP5 takes longer to boot, as everything about Linux has gotten bigger since the 4.2 days.
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| 15:28 | <elias_a> sbalneav: And the amount of automagically initialized hardware has exploded
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| 15:32 | <johnny> test
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> elias_a: yes. All of this increases "boot time"
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| 15:37 | The real guage is how it funtions AFTER boot.
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> elias_a: Yeah!!! Nagging does work! :) "it's fixed in 10.1 ;)"
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| 16:19 | <adac> was wondering if a thin client needs a graphic card?
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| 16:52 | <kusznir> Does video playback work well with modern LTSP? (flash / other multimedia, sound in sync with video)
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| 17:46 | <kusznir> adac: Depends on what you want to do with it...Normally thin clients are configured as "heads" into a server, so in order to do that, it needs to have a graphics output.
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| 18:57 | <Spi3nS> hi, somebody know who I can get the terminal name that a user LTSP was connected?
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