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Channel log from 7 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:28 | <garymc> hey anyone know how to use ftp. I set it up so i could access my ftp web server from the internet. Now I had 5 static ip address's assigned and i assigned one to my LTSP server now i cant ftp to it remotley. Do i have to change anything in ftp and how? what files do i alter and where are they?
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| 05:34 | <rhodan_> If I want to PXE boot machines besides an existing, untouchable DHCP, I need Proxy-DHCP, right?
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| 05:34 | And for that, I need dnsmasq because dhcpd can't do that.
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| 05:38 | Is this correct?
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| 05:47 | <alkisg> rhodan_: yes
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| 05:47 | But if you have a windows dhcp server, there's a wiki page on how to modify it
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| 05:47 | (although the proxydhcp method seems easier to me :D)
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| 05:48 | <rhodan_> *untouchable*
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| 05:48 | <alkisg> OK, proxydhcp it is, then
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| 05:48 | <rhodan_> kthx
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| 05:48 | * alkisg used the word "unmodifiable" in the wiki page :P | |
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| 05:59 | <vmlintu> sbalneav: I spent some time toying around with ideas for localapp-nss and for testing made simple ltsp ldap server using nss as backend: https://code.launchpad.net/~vmlintu/+junk/devel - no ldap knowledge required - no schemas, no difficult ldap tools, just modify /etc/passwd + /etc/group and it picks them up. Client libraries are already existing and nss-ldapd has quite nice caching to boost things..
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| 06:52 | <firestorm> Hi there. Trying to get x11vnc working to connect to ltsp clients. Used the following guide and have disabled ufw/firehol but get connection refused. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients I can confirm that x11vnc process is running once client has booted up. Thoughts?
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:08 | <vmlintu> afternoon
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> vmlintu: Looked at the code, it's interesting, but I'm not sure if it's the right approach.
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| 09:15 | With your mini-ldap server, how are you going to handle password shadow operations?
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| 09:17 | <vmlintu> It'd be only taking care of the passwd and group, no authentication
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> so, we'd still need the libpam-sshauth then?
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| 09:20 | <vmlintu> Ldap authentication still couldn't authenticate the user to the server, so libpam-sshauth would still be needed.
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:21 | <vmlintu> While doing it, I noticed one definite plus for the approach - the nss_ldapd library has really nice caching system, so it'd be quite a bit faster than doing "getent passwd" requests through the ssh tunnel
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| 09:22 | <sbalneav> No reason why we can't cache results with a libnss-sshauth.
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| 09:24 | <vmlintu> I could also see negative things in this approach while doing it as the different ldap libraries quite differently
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| 09:25 | The test code works now with nss_ldap and nss_ldapd
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| 09:28 | <sbalneav> Can you toss a link to your branch and some of your thoughts on the wiki page there? I don't want to loose track of what yo've done.
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| 09:29 | <vmlintu> Caching the results would probably be needed, based on previous experiences.. We've been running some fatclients using ltsp as base and at first ldap servers have been dying routinely..
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| 09:29 | were dying
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| 09:30 | I'll add it to the wiki page
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> Super! Thanks for poking about with this!
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| 09:33 | Keep this up, we'll make you a dev :)
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| 09:33 | Just ask alkisg how easy a process that is :)
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| 09:36 | <vmlintu> I just started thinking that if the mini-server supported also authentication, it could also act as a backend for moodle and other webapps used in schools..
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| 09:38 | well, I've got piles of tools and scripts for everything possible related to ltsp/desktop management laying around and waiting for clean-up..
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> !g
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| 09:43 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "g" :: Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> !s
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| 09:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:09 | <_UsUrPeR_> grr
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> eat?
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| 10:13 | Gadi: We still starting cdpinger in the startup, as opposed to udev?
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> nope - vagrantc moved it to udev a while ago
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> That's what I thought.... but when I look in ltspfs source, I'm not seeing where it's started in udev.
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| 10:23 | <johnny> shouldn't it just be a file you drop in the udev conf dir?
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> grep cdpinger ltspfs_entry
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| 10:23 | I think
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| 10:23 | ltspfs-trunk/scripts/ltspfs_entry
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| 10:23 | it's in there
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| 10:24 | thats the one that gets executed by udev
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| 10:24 | <johnny> ah.. dear Gadi is with us again
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Ahhhhhh
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| 10:24 | ok, I was looking for an actual udev rule.
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| 10:25 | so in udev/88-ltsp.rules, that's not being used anymore, looks like?
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> sbalneav: I need to find some time to clean up ltsp_config and ltspfs_entry. Seems we have gotten too liberal in our coding
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| 10:26 | its used
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| 10:26 | the rules tell udev when to call ltspfs_entry
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| 10:26 | ie if you smell like a removable device
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| 10:26 | :)
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Weird, how come it's so outdated on mine...
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> outdated?
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| 10:28 | well, some distros do not use upstream rules file
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| 10:28 | not sure what ubuntu or debian does
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| 10:28 | but, for a while, their rules files differed
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| 10:29 | but ltspfs_entry should be the same
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> I'm gonna re-sync my code.
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| 10:29 | I've gotten out of step here somehow
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> btw, do any distros use nbd and not use the ltsp_nbd initramfs code?
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| 10:30 | <johnny> any distro that isn't debian based that uses nbd :)
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| 10:30 | whichever those are
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| 10:31 | * Gadi plans to fix the awk/grep issue that stgraber found by preseeding SERVER from the initramfs | |
| 10:31 | <johnny> for example..
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| 10:31 | fedora
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| 10:31 | fedora uses the dracut nbd code (or will soon)
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> does fedora use nbd?
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| 10:31 | ah ok
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| 10:31 | <johnny> must be.. as warrent was behind adding nbd to dracut iirc
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| 10:31 | warren*
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> dracut?
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> ok - well then, I will leave the grep/awk stuff as a safety
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| 10:31 | * ogra doubts fedora will ever use nbd | |
| 10:31 | <johnny> the distro agnostic initramfs system fedora pioneered
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| 10:32 | <ogra> they dont have any kind of union filesystem
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| 10:32 | <johnny> ogra, then why did he go through the hassle of adding nbd support?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> he added that ages ago
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| 10:32 | <johnny> so?
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| 10:32 | must be possible to install soem extra module to use nbd
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| 10:32 | <johnny> err
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| 10:32 | some union fs thatis
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| 10:32 | <ogra> you need aufs/unionfs
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> Ok, so I have created a local mirror of archive.ubuntu.com for the karmic release, and I'm trying to build a ltsp client image off of it, but I keep getting gpg errors, which causes the build to fail. I have, of course, added --copy-sourceslist to the ltsp-build-client command, and I have added both of the keys, but I am still getting this error. Can anybody explain why it would still give me the GPG errors, even though I have correctly added they keys?
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| 10:32 | <johnny> aufs is still installable externally right?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> right, you need to compile a module
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| 10:33 | <johnny> or install the kernel module..
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| 10:33 | <ogra> and patch your kernel source
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| 10:33 | <johnny> it's a kmod package iirc
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| 10:33 | <ogra> it needs inline patches in the kernel
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> also, why is it trying to use outside servers if I am using --copy-sourceslist?
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| 10:33 | <johnny> ah.. suck
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> ok, I'm confused. In ltspfs-trunk, 88-ltsp.rules is very very simple
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| 10:33 | <johnny> that's so dumb..
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| 10:33 | when will the kernel people finish union mounts :(
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> sbalneav: it should be simple
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| 10:33 | <ogra> sbalneav, id that the alsa crap ?
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> but if I do an apt-get source ltspfsd, 88-ltsp.rules is much larger
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> all the logic is in ltspfs_entry
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| 10:34 | <ogra> *is
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> ah, then ubuntu packages a different rules file
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| 10:34 | <ogra> we use likely a newer udev
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| 10:34 | <johnny> shouldn't ltsp trunk reflect the newer udev?
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| 10:34 | than not?
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> That was what I was thinking
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> nothing to do with alsa
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| 10:35 | <ogra> dont tell me :)
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> its removable media
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| 10:35 | <johnny> /me pokes ogra
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| 10:35 | <ogra> Gadi, yeah, i mixed it up with 88_ltsp_sound
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> not sure if debian uses upstream udev rules
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| 10:35 | <johnny> can somebody remove 88_ltsp_sound from teh root? or did somebody else already do that?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> or who does
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| 10:35 | <ogra> the same sequence number confused me
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> we need stgraber and vagrantc
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| 10:35 | :)
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| 10:35 | <ogra> debian doesnt
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| 10:35 | <johnny> Gadi, uhmm.. we do?
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| 10:35 | are we suckers?
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| 10:36 | lol
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| 10:36 | <ogra> debian says a linux system must work without udev
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> we are suckers who were not involved in the decisions
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| 10:36 | :)
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| 10:36 | <ogra> which is nonsense nowadays
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| 10:36 | <johnny> i agree
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| 10:36 | gentoo doesn't even allow that..
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| 10:36 | udev is a core package to gentoo
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| 10:37 | except on super embedded stuff
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| 10:37 | <ogra> they might have reverted that view
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| 10:37 | but up to lenny that was the attitude
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| 10:37 | <johnny> and that is why i don't use debian
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| 10:37 | not enough integration
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| 10:37 | <ogra> but most flexibility
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| 10:37 | <johnny> of course.. i don't always need what ubuntu and fedora give me.. i'd like something in between
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| 10:37 | <ogra> lenny can actually run with a static /dev
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| 10:38 | and a ton of initscripts that run MAKEDEV :)
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| 10:38 | <johnny> lol
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| 10:38 | <johnny> that stuff needs to disappear
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| 10:38 | :(
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| 10:38 | <ogra> it helps the embedded world
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> I'm cleaning up a lot of the dead specs.
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| 10:38 | <ogra> if you only have five static devices, why use udev
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| 10:39 | <johnny> ogra, sure... but aren't the specs of those embedded machines starting to get so high that it's going to stop mattering ?
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| 10:39 | <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, my inbox notes that :)
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| 10:39 | <johnny> eventually anyways.. :)
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| 10:39 | <ogra> not really
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| 10:39 | they just get smaller
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> Gadi: We've got an edubuntu bug day on the twelth, I'm going to fix the ltspfs perms issue that day, I'll also look into the ltspfs_entry awk problem.
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> sbalneav: well, it is solved
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| 10:40 | the awk problem that is
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| 10:40 | well, it will be once I code and push
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| 10:40 | the problem is in ltsp_config
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| 10:40 | as we call it from ltspfs_entry
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| 10:41 | so we can modify behavior based on lts params
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| 10:41 | but ltsp_config figures out SERVER on nbd systems with pgrep/awk
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| 10:41 | which is an expensive way to do it
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| 10:42 | so, I plan to add code to the nbd initramfs script to write SERVER to rootfs/var/run/ltsp_config or some such and then have ltsp_config source that up front
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| 10:42 | that way, SERVER will be defined
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| 10:42 | and no pgrep/awking
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> I'm really, REALLY confused.
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 10:43 | ok, so there's this script ltsp_config...
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> there seems to be completely different versions of ltspfs_entry between ltspfs-trunk and what's in ubuntu
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> really?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> intresting
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| 10:44 | since we sync that from debian iirc
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| 10:44 | <Gadi> maybe there have been changes since the version that is in ubuntu
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| 10:45 | what version is in ubuntu and what is the latest tag in bzr?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> the version in ubuntu is identical to the version that was in debian when we released
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| 10:45 | vagrant maintains all of the packaging
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> right - but, we DO tend to do upstream work continuously
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| 10:45 | :)
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| 10:45 | <ogra> we just pull his stuff and swithc the rules
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| 10:46 | stgraber and vagrant worked that out to happen automatically a while ago
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| 10:46 | (switching rules at build time based on the build system)
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> seems there waas one commit since version 0.5.13
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| 10:47 | what version do you have in ubuntu, sbalneav?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> 0.5.13-1
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| 10:48 | karmic ^^^
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> oh crap
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| 10:49 | I'm branching from lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk
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| 10:49 | I SHOULD BE:
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| 10:49 | I'm branching from lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp*fs*/ltspfs-trunk
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| 10:49 | <ogra> that exists ?
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| 10:50 | i didnt know we had different projects
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> status is "abandoned"
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| 10:51 | but it still allows you to pull from it.
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| 10:51 | We should just delete it.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:51 | <sbalneav> to prevent morons like me from getting confused.
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| 10:52 | done.
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| 11:02 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Another thing we could do to fix that, even IF server wasn't specified would be to remove the grep and awk like so, and just replace with shell primatives:
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| 11:02 | while read TYPE HOMEDIR FSTYPE REST; do
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| 11:02 | if [ ${FSTYPE} = "fuse.sshfs" ]; then break
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| 11:02 | fi
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| 11:02 | done < /proc/mounts
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> well, you mean "nbd"
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| 11:03 | as fstype
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| 11:03 | but, true
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| 11:03 | <sbalneav> There's only one awk in the ltspfs_entry
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> right - thats not the bad one
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| 11:04 | it gets called infrequently
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| 11:04 | * sbalneav slaps head | |
| 11:04 | <sbalneav> where's the one that's the problem? In the initramfs?
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> no - in ltsp_config
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> we call ltsp_config a lot
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> we could probably do the same there. I'll have a look
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> it needs to be fast
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| 11:05 | pgrep is also expensive
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| 11:06 | I would like to try to avoid pgrep as much as possible
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> ok, I can look at optimizing those.
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> cool
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| 11:06 | thx
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| 11:10 | <johnny> perhaps you shouldn't call ltsp_config so much..
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| 11:10 | does it really need to be included more than once?
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> It could just cache *all* of its output in a /var/run file, and use that on the later runs....
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| 11:11 | btw there's a typo in that file: # set compatbility for ltsp 4.x variables
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| 11:13 | <johnny> well.. is there some official way of caching things in the shell that i don't know about? other than env vars?
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| 11:13 | altho it seems that things like LS_COLORS are even cached there.. which is kinda silly
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> brb
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| 11:23 | <Ahmuck> sbalneav stgraber alkisg
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: ?
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| 11:25 | <johnny> try not to overuse your privileges like that Ahmuck... just ask your question
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| 11:26 | <Ahmuck> johnny: it's a private question. i'm not so sure i didn't stumble upon a no no
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck: You rang?
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| 11:40 | <dro> you know it seems like lately there haven't been a lot of people come in here and ask for help
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| 11:40 | mostly just developer's talking about how to make things better......very nice
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> sbalneav's docs did the trick ;)
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| 11:41 | <dro> alkisg: cool I'll have to check them out
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> !docs
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| 11:41 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 11:42 | <dro> alkisg: ty reading them now
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| 11:43 | i enjoy helping people.....I keep checking to see if anyone's asked a question, I've been debugging a new windows DC for 2 days now
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| 11:50 | <Ahmuck> sbalneav: nm, i've got it fixed. thx
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| 11:57 | alkisg: looking at the command line, i understand it completely. i don't know if i could write it myself, but understand what's going on. i could just drop the "echo" and run it from a command line it appears
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: so and so. E.g. chmod lost+found:lost+found doesn't make sense :)
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| 11:58 | It was written in 20 secs, I didn't mean it to be bulletproof...
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| 11:58 | That's why I put the "echo" in front of it.
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| 12:03 | <Ahmuck> ya, i saw it complained about lost+found
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| 12:03 | anywho, thx, that fixed the problem. i'll comb through and look for the link for the other issue
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| 12:04 | still thinking about the whole "group" directory thing. considering putting another server with directories on it only for "group" directories/files
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| 12:04 | or /home/students, etc.
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| 12:53 | <knipwim> johnny: i have thought about whether or not to set the stage_uri in a plugin
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| 12:53 | and i still think it should be set in a plugin, and not in the quickstart script
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| 12:53 | <johnny> why?
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| 12:54 | what's the benefit
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| 12:54 | knipwim, altho..
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| 12:54 | a compromise could be made
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| 12:54 | let the one in the plugin override the one
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| 12:54 | but wait.. don't i already do that?
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| 12:55 | ah.. just need it in the plugin code if it's not set on the cli
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| 12:55 | so.. go for that
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| 12:57 | <knipwim> i think the plugin does that
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| 12:57 | if [ -z "${STAGE_URI}" ]; then ...
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| 12:57 | <johnny> sure.. go ahead and set it there
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| 12:58 | <knipwim> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-trunk-dev/revision/1371
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| 12:58 | <johnny> no
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| 12:58 | remove the change to the quickstart file
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| 12:58 | and then it's probably fine
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| 12:59 | <knipwim> so, getting the funtoo stage if all else fails?
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| 12:59 | <johnny> it's not about all else fails.. it's about using the quickstart stage standalone
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| 12:59 | without the ltsp-build-client
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| 12:59 | s/using/being able to use/
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| 13:00 | <knipwim> but this profile is an ltsp specific profile
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| 13:00 | if you wanted it standalone
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| 13:00 | <knipwim> you could make another profile
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| 13:02 | <johnny> knipwim, i'm saying you should already be able to do it
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| 13:02 | quickstart --foo --bar --etc already does the same thing
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| 13:03 | almost the same thing.. there's only a few things in the plugins that we actually use..
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| 13:05 | <johnny> the things that prep the server environment is what should go in the plugins obviously
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| 13:05 | but imo.. some of that should actually be packaging..
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| 13:05 | so you can rerun emerge ltsp-server --config or whatever that flag is
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| 13:12 | <knipwim> i've never used the --config option on an emerge before
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| 13:12 | but i see your argument
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| 13:12 | i can leave the profile change alone
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| 13:33 | <knipwim> johnny: while i'm fixing that
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| 13:33 | could you look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-trunk-dev/revision/1372
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| 13:38 | <johnny> is sshfs-fuse 2.1 finally stable?
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| 13:38 | if so.. sure
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| 13:38 | look for other deps that are stable too
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| 13:38 | <knipwim> sshfs-fuse-2.2 in fact
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| 13:38 | <johnny> swell
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| 13:38 | <knipwim> nope :(
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| 13:38 | <johnny> took em only a year to get 2.1 stable..
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| 13:39 | <knipwim> i wonder if we'll live to see openrc stabilization
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| 13:40 | <knipwim> if it does, i'll let you know
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| 13:43 | <johnny> yeah.. for real
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| 13:43 | might as well just switch to upstart
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| 13:43 | at least that's used to multiple distros
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> johnny: that's, uh, slower than debian stable.
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| 14:00 | <johnny> vagrantc, debian replaced their init system?
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| 14:00 | lol :)
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> johnny: no, sshfs-fuse
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| 14:00 | <johnny> oh you mean the sshfs-fuse
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| 14:00 | yeah.. the dev went away, and the package went unnoticed
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> happens to the best distros
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| 14:04 | <johnny> happens to all distros :)
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| 14:04 | vagrantc, altho i'm more upset about the lack of the new init system
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| 14:04 | the system works unmodified on bsd and gentoo.. which is neat.. and it's also really fast.. faster than upstart
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| 14:04 | but.. he's kinda weird about it (last i checked)
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> he?
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| 14:05 | <johnny> the dev of openrc
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 14:05 | <johnny> he even switched back from git to subversion at one point
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> eeyk
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| 14:37 | <knipwim> johnny: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-gentoo-dev/revision/1489
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| 14:37 | and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-gentoo-dev/revision/1488 for the sshfs-fuse
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Pingity
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| 15:28 | ditching the awk's easy
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| 15:28 | the pgrep's gonna be almost impossible
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| 15:36 | <Lns> Gadi: pingflood
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> pongity pong
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| 15:37 | pong
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| 15:38 | <Lns> Can anyone possibly pastebin their /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-core from ubuntu intrepid+ ?
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| 15:38 | hey Gadi =)
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| 15:38 | ^^^ is that the right file to patch for getting sound vars?
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> u fixing sound?
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| 15:38 | <Lns> i see "start_sound"
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 15:38 | <Lns> yea
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| 15:38 | <Gadi> let me get you a link
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| 15:38 | <Lns> ty!! :)
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| 15:39 | <alkisg_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 15:39 | <Lns> sweet
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| 15:39 | * alkisg_ hates the empathy UI :-/ | |
| 15:40 | <Lns> thx alkisg_
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| 15:40 | <alkisg_> !source
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| 15:40 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: My source is at http://supybot.com/
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| 15:40 | <alkisg_> !ltsp-source
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| 15:40 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: Error: "ltsp-source" is not a valid command.
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> Lns: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/download/head%3A/ltspinitcommon-20080221205225-g8c4rudkglkuquk8-1/ltsp-init-common
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| 15:40 | that file has configure_sound_volume()
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| 15:41 | that should replace the one in your ltsp-client-setup
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| 15:41 | <alkisg_> !learn ltsp-source as at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 15:41 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:41 | <alkisg_> !learn ldm-source as at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/files
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| 15:41 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:42 | <Lns> Gadi: i don't have a configure_sound_anything in current ltsp-client-setup
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| 15:42 | do i just append it?
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> do you have configure_sound?
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| 15:42 | <Lns> no
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| 15:42 | <Gadi> maybe its in ltsp-client-core
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| 15:42 | <Lns> yeah, i have start_sound
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| 15:42 | in ltsp-client-core
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> I dunno - one of the things we did recently was pull all the functions into ltsp-init-common
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| 15:43 | <alkisg_> !learn ltsp-upstream as at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:43 | <Lns> hrm
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> do you have anything after start_sound?
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| 15:43 | <Lns> Gadi: after start_sound is configure_localdev
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> if not, then you can add the function to ltsp-client-core, and then call it at the bottom
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| 15:44 | right after start_sound is called
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| 15:44 | man... what did we do in hardy?
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| 15:44 | :)
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| 15:44 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:44 | <Gadi> good ole 2008
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| 15:44 | * Lns plans on backing up, then wiping/re-installing all of his servers w/lucid.1 64-bit =) | |
| 15:45 | <Lns> still riding on hardy 32-bit
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| 15:45 | <alkisg_> How's flash support for 64bit nowadays?
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| 15:45 | <Lns> alkisg_: heard it's fine now that there's a native 64-bit plugin
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> sbalneav: which pgrep are you cleaning?
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| 15:46 | <Lns> I think i'm gonna leave sound alone, or maybe just do an rc script to adjust volume manually instead of patching these files...
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| 15:46 | <alkisg_> Lns: but does Ubuntu still use the wrapper plugin in ubuntu-restricted-extras?
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> Lns: you can copy the function into an rc script
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| 15:46 | <Lns> don't think so, not in karmic anyway..? haven't checked, my box at home works fine (well, not really actually...clicking on flash stuff doesn't always work :/ )
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> and source ltsp_Config at the top
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| 15:46 | er, ltsp_config
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| 15:47 | and call it
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| 15:47 | alkisg_: I think the flshplayer-installer package in karmic still uses 32 bit libs
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| 15:47 | but you can just d/l the 64 bit player and install it instead
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| 15:48 | <alkisg_> Gadi, do you know if that's also true for Lucid?
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> no clue
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| 15:51 | <Lns> Gadi: this PA channel name code in ltsp-init-common..is that gonna work for hardy? you said yesterday re: docs: "hmmm.. that section needs updating" "to reflect: <channel_name>_VOLUME"
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| 15:54 | holy crap there's some crazy sed work going on there =)
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| 15:55 | <sbalneav> Gadi: the one in ltsp_config
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| 15:55 | <alkisg_> Couldn't Lns use a Karmic chroot in his Hardy servers?
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| 15:55 | <sbalneav> I do.
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| 15:56 | * alkisg_ installed edubuntu Lucid and is going to try the fat client plugin tomorrow :) | |
| 15:56 | * Lns doesn't want to put his schools through what could possibly go wrong with that =) | |
| 15:58 | <sbalneav> It's too bad that nbd-client doesn't write a status file in /var/run/mumble
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| 16:04 | * Lns conjures up what a hacker could do with a lab full of students listening with headphones with the command 'amixer -c0 sset Master 100%' heh | |
| 16:04 | <Lns> That's all I'll have to put in an rc script looks like, after parsing ltsp-init-common
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| 16:05 | (putting in a more sane volume of course)
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> sorry -was afk
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| 16:06 | Lns: yesterday, I was talking about the docs
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| 16:06 | the code is fine
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| 16:06 | sbalneav: so, back to my pre-seeding
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| 16:06 | :)
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| 16:06 | <Lns> right..ok
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> Lns: don't forget to actually call the function
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| 16:09 | after you declare it
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> Gadi: but, we can eliminate the awks
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> so: . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config; configure_sound_volume() ... ; configure_sound_volume
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| 16:10 | pheh - awks
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| 16:10 | <Lns> Gadi: i'm just gonna put an rcfile_nn in my lts.conf and call amixer directly :) unless you think that's horribly wrong to do for patchwork
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> more to the point, stgraber pointed out, first time that gets run, we should write a cache file somewhere with the results.
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| 16:10 | <Lns> that way i can keep a handle on it for the 2 sites i need to do this for until the lucid upgrade
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> sbalneav: there are pros and cons to the cache file idea
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> k, what are the cons?
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> well, say you have a script (like ltsp-cluster has) that grabs a new lts.conf at different stages
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| 16:12 | you now need a way to say - dont use the cache
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> which is not hard
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| 16:13 | only that you have to always think
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| 16:13 | should I use the cache
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| 16:13 | or should I not use the cache
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> well, as a general rule, I should probably go through all our scripts, and look to see where they can be optimized.
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| 16:13 | ldm's getting very very pokey post authentication.
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> yeah - did we ever merge that patch that made logging in slow due to localapps when there is a large numbers of groups
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| 16:14 | ?
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| 16:14 | er, that fixed that issue
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| 16:14 | :)
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> dunno
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> someone submitted it to lp
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| 16:15 | but, I dont know if it ever made it in
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> I can look tonight.
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| 16:15 | mvo and I are locked in a life and death struggle over gksu
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> lol
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> I spend 4 hours figuring out a path
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| 16:16 | he comes back with something completely different
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| 16:16 | so if his latest proposal works, then I can have a look at it tonight.
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| 16:17 | if not, I have to go through round 4 of gksu patchdance if I'm to get a working sabayon for alpha2
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| 16:17 | patchdance.
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| 16:17 | Kind of like flashdance, but instead of Jennifer Beals, you get me.
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> yeah, I am going to need ur sabayon for a project real soon
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| 16:17 | * Gadi cheers you on | |
| 16:18 | * Lns thinks sbalneav looks WAY hotter than Jennifer Beals anyway | |
| 16:18 | <Gadi> there are so many gnome tools for controlling the desktop env that are lacking, I really wonder what they work on
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| 16:18 | <alkisg_> highvolt1ge: what's the difference between --fat-client and --fat-client-desktop?
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:19 | alkisg_: the latter allows you to choose [edu|k|x]ubuntu
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| 16:19 | <alkisg_> Ah, then --fat-client is enough :)
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| 16:19 | Ty
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> np
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| 16:21 | <alkisg_> Ah, I first made a regular chroot, so now to make a second one, do I need to specify the base/nbd port etc?
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| 16:21 | * alkisg_ points himself to the docs... | |
| 16:21 | <alkisg_> !docs
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| 16:21 | <ltspbot> alkisg_: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 16:22 | * Gadi thinks you just need to change dhcpd.conf | |
| 16:24 | <alkisg_> Won't it try to use the same directory, i.e. /opt/ltsp/i386, and the same nbdport, 2000? OK, trying...
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> alkisg_: you change the filename to: /ltsp/fat-client/pxelinux.0
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| 16:24 | or some such
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| 16:25 | that pxelinux should do the right thing
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| 16:25 | <alkisg_> sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --fat-client
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| 16:25 | NOTE: Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problems, please remove it before trying again. Exiting.
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| 16:26 | ...trying to specify --chroot...
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Well if you're looking for the PRE EMINENT gnome desktop deployment tool being AVTIVELY maintained by a suave and debonaire developer
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| 16:26 | you won't do better than sabayon ;)
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> thats what I read in the brochure
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| 16:26 | :)
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> off home for the day. Back on tonight for phase 4 of the gksu bataan death march.
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| 16:27 | bbiab
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| 16:28 | <Lns> bye sbalneav !
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| 16:50 | <markit> hi, I've debian sid, and want to install testing client with "ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist testing", bug get the error "ERROR: invalid distribution: testing", what is wrong?
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| 16:52 | mm with "squeeze" works!
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| 16:54 | I do need a recent kernel to manage eeebox jmicro ethernet adapter :(
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| 19:06 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:51 | <Ahmuck> boo
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| 20:59 | <sbalneav> yeah
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