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| 08:00 | <edoardo> You guys, anyone can help me out with Printers and kiwi-ltsp?
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| 08:00 | Basically I configured ltsp.conf to support two printers on a specific MAC address, but though both printers are connected and turned on, I only get /dev/lp0, not /dev/lp1
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| 08:00 | Furthermore, hp-info -pPrinterName returns "Error opening device"
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| 08:00 | and hp-makeuri IPAddress returns "no device found"
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| 08:01 | Any ideas on the matter?
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| 08:15 | <edoardo> In fact, this is to find a scanner. I don't seem to be finding alotta documentation on finding a scanner on KIWI-Ltsp. Any pointers?
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| 09:55 | <tostado> hi
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| 09:56 | Nubae: are you there ?
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| 09:57 | i have a question concerning the fat clients setup, but maybe its a ltsp general problem
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| 09:58 | i need to change files on the clients, and if a change i.e. /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/root, the client doesn't recognize this change
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| 09:58 | only after a reboot
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| 09:58 | is this a known issue ?
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| 09:58 | btw.: right now the clients mount there rootdir via nfs
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| 09:59 | <Nubae> not sure what u mean exactly
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| 10:00 | tostado: u using intrepid or hardy? and why are u not mounting root via nbd?
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| 10:01 | <tostado> intrepid
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| 10:02 | well i need to configure the clients, if i do a change in the client configs, i need to build the client image each time with nbd, or not ?
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| 10:03 | or am i completely on a wrong track ?
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| 10:04 | when i use nbd, and a client have booted, and i change /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/root/whatever, will the client recognize the change ?
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| 10:04 | right now (with nfs) it doesn't
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| 10:05 | <Nubae> sure
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| 10:05 | so u are using nfs so u dont have to rebuild all the time?
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| 10:05 | but the changes u make u must do with chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64fat
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| 10:06 | <tostado> ah ok
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| 10:06 | i'll try
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| 10:06 | <Nubae> otherwise indeed, neither nfs nor nbd will write the changes if done on the thin client directly
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| 10:06 | remember its just /home that changes
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| 10:07 | because thats mounted via read-write nfs
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| 10:07 | so the terminals are loading up correctly in fat client mode?
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| 10:08 | <tostado> hmm, i need to change i.e. /usr/local/bin/somescript
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| 10:08 | yes, everthing else works now
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| 10:08 | <Nubae> ah good to know... I like feedback :-)
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| 10:08 | Im not sure who or if anyone else other than me runs fatclients
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| 10:08 | <tostado> how do you change /usr/local/bin/somescript so the client recognizes it realtime ?
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| 10:08 | <Nubae> even though I get lots of questions
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| 10:09 | <Nubae> u'd have to mount /usr/local/bin/ via nfs read write
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| 10:09 | but... really the best way is to make your changes in the chroot
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| 10:10 | the whole point of this system is its controlled from the server
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| 10:10 | the client is still just a terminal
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| 10:10 | <tostado> ok, i'll mount it via nfs rw
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| 10:11 | because if i do chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64fat/
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| 10:11 | and then touch /usr/local/bin/foo the client doesnt see it
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| 10:11 | <Nubae> sure it does, it must
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| 10:11 | <tostado> no
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| 10:11 | <Nubae> are u rebuilding the image after though?
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| 10:12 | <tostado> well right now not, i would get totally crazy if i rebuild a image after changing a script... i'm in developing phase....
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| 10:13 | right now i know i have to rebuild it, so the solution to mount /usr/local via nfs is the best one
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| 10:13 | <Nubae> ok :-) well wait
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| 10:14 | test to see if when u chroot to amd64fat and then put a file there
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| 10:14 | then exit
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| 10:14 | and go back in, if its still there
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| 10:14 | also remember permissions
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| 10:14 | but otherwise just mount the entire chroot read write for now
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| 10:14 | <tostado> in the chroot yes, but the client needs to see the change immidiatly
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| 10:15 | and right now it doesn't
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| 10:15 | i'm not sure if you understand me right....
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| 10:15 | <Nubae> yeah I understand
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| 10:16 | but rw nfs should do that, unless everything is stored in memory... its been a while since I used nfs
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| 10:16 | I always use nbd
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| 10:16 | <tostado> so am i right that for this problem the solution is a direct nfs mount on /usr/local ?
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| 10:16 | <Nubae> cant u test the script from iwthin the chroot?
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| 10:17 | <tostado> well the scripts do a xserver start and so on
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| 10:17 | <Nubae> ok.. then do this
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| 10:17 | <tostado> ?
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| 10:17 | <Nubae> use the ldm variables
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| 10:17 | tftpboot is always seen
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| 10:18 | so u can add the script to the chroot
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| 10:18 | <tostado> sorry i didn't get you ?
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| 10:18 | <Nubae> and then do RCFILE_00=/path/to/script
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| 10:18 | add that to lts.conf
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| 10:19 | ah wait... u want it executed when?
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| 10:19 | <tostado> remotely from the server, somewhen
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| 10:20 | the problem is, i test a script /usr/local/bin/test, and i dont want to reboot the client evertime i change it
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| 10:20 | so when the only solution is nfs mount of /usr/local, im fine with this
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| 10:21 | <Nubae> yeah I know.. you cant get around that if the image is in memory, which I believe it is
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| 10:21 | cant u put the script into .xsession?
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| 10:21 | then u just have to do alt+cntrl+backspace and log back in to execute
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| 10:23 | and if its just for testing, why dont u make all the changes on the client, testing all the while, and then scp it across to the server when it all works
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| 10:24 | <tostado> hmmm... the last proposal seems good
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| 10:25 | because i dont have one script, i have /usr/local/bin, ../lib, ../etc.. and so one
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| 10:30 | and there is no other way to tell a client "hey, theres a change at /usr/local/bin on the server, look what have changed" ?
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| 10:30 | like a "sync" or something ?
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| 10:31 | <Nubae> maybe
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| 10:31 | i dunno, u can try switching async to sync in the nfs share
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| 10:31 | but to be honest the method I mentioned is the way I use
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| 10:31 | when customising the chroot
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| 10:32 | that way if u screw up, u dont loose all your work ;-)
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| 10:32 | <tostado> what method ? test on the client and scp to the server ?
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| 10:32 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 10:32 | <tostado> where can i try switching async to sync ?
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| 10:36 | <Nubae> in /etc/exports
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| 10:37 | <tostado> i test that
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| 10:41 | no, that didnt make a difference
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| 10:43 | <wwx> inotify?
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| 10:46 | <edoardo> You guys
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| 10:47 | Did anyone manage to get a USB scanner, working in an LTSP environment? Attached to the client, I mean.
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| 10:48 | My client USB printers work fine, they're HP and USB, but they're scanners, too, and saned ain't seeming to recognize them. I tried hp-makeuri IPAddress as well, to no result. Any ideas on the matter?
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| 10:48 | <johnny> that's cuz saned isn't running on the client?
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| 10:49 | printing works via jetpipe
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| 10:49 | iirc
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| 10:49 | which is default in most distributions
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| 10:49 | there is no such default for scanners i imagine
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| 10:50 | maybe there is some documentation for how to piece it together..
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| 10:51 | <rjune> edoardo: You need sane
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| 10:51 | It's been done, but not often
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| 10:52 | <edoardo> I got sane.
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| 10:52 | How should I use it?
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| 10:52 | I added "XINETD_SERVICES = saned" in lts.conf, too.
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| 10:52 | Anything else?
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| 10:52 | <johnny> perhaps the ubuntu wiki has documentation
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| 10:52 | XINETD_SERVICES ?
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| 10:53 | i didn't even know we had that..
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| 10:53 | <edoardo> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Scanners
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| 10:53 | That's what It's saying in that page.
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| 10:54 | <rjune> edoardo: I would first setup bash on the terminal and make sure you have it working manually
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| 10:54 | <edoardo> I'm a gnome-terminal right now. "scanimage -L" ain't working.
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| 10:54 | Nor is sane-scanner-find, not at all.
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| 10:55 | I'm #in# a gnome-terminal, that is ;)
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| 10:55 | <rjune> you're using ltsp4 or ltsp5?
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| 10:55 | <edoardo> KIWI-ltsp from last august, which is Suse and I believe it's ltsp5.
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| 10:56 | <johnny> no.. on the client
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| 10:56 | ctrl + alt + f1
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| 10:56 | err f2..
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| 10:56 | gnome-terminal is what is running on the server..
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| 10:56 | <edoardo> Awright.
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| 10:56 | Can i SSH to it from gnome-terminal?
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| 10:56 | Cause I'm doing this remotely.
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| 10:56 | <johnny> only if the server is automatically started in the chroot
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| 10:57 | which it probably isn't
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| 10:57 | you'd have to add it.. and reboot the client
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| 10:57 | <Nubae> edoardo: that variable is for ltsp 4
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| 10:58 | <edoardo> I mean, if I ssh to the client's IP, it prompts me for something, so I'm guessing it is working? THough I got no idea which password and login I should use.
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| 10:58 | <rjune> You have to run sain on the terminal.
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| 10:58 | sane
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| 10:58 | <Nubae> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian#Scanning_with_LTSP_5_in_Debian_E
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| 10:58 | <johnny> you have to set the root password in the chroot
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| 10:59 | <Nubae> and do passwd -u
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| 10:59 | <edoardo> How do I do that? I only used the Server this far.
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| 10:59 | <petre> join #fedora
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| 11:00 | <Nubae> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ passwd -your-password-
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| 11:00 | and then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u
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| 11:01 | <edoardo> I got no /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:01 | <Nubae> alhtough maybe its different on suse
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| 11:01 | heh
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| 11:01 | <edoardo> I think KIWI-ltsp handles this differntly
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| 11:01 | <Nubae> yeah... wonderful when it comes to problem solving isnt it
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| 11:01 | the distro that chooses to be different
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| 11:02 | <edoardo> Well I mean it's working really well. I'm positive that there's a way to handle this.
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| 11:05 | <edoardo> Great
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| 11:06 | It's supposed to be in
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| 11:06 | chroot /srv/kiwi-ltsp/ltsp-suse-11.0.i686-0.0.1
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| 11:06 | except on my Machine it's a file, not a directory :(
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| 11:14 | <edoardo> Any pointers?
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| 11:14 | <Nubae> because suse does everything differently, we cant really help
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| 11:14 | <edoardo> Meaning, you just don't know how Suse works.
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| 11:14 | You know, doing things differently is usually good.
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| 11:15 | <Nubae> meaning Suse does things differently from everyone else
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| 11:15 | <edoardo> Like I said.
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| 11:15 | <Nubae> meaning LTSP 5 has a standard, and only suse decides to do it their weird way
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| 11:15 | <edoardo> Which is fun.
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| 11:15 | <Nubae> if it was any other OS, we could help
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| 11:15 | <edoardo> Well, listen, let's leave it like this.
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| 11:15 | Provided I get to the chroot, which I may eventually... what then?
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| 11:16 | <Nubae> I really dont know how suse works, I posted a link to how u do scanning on debian
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| 11:17 | <edoardo> Awright.
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| 11:19 | <edoardo> Cool got it. Will let ya know how this is evolving.
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| 11:27 | Nubae, going into chroot will change all the client though, not just one of them, correct?
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| 11:27 | <Nubae> right
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| 11:34 | <edoardo> And if I do passwd on "chroot", then all I gotta do is reboot each client, and when I ssh to the client's actual IPADrress, it'll work with that password? FOr every client?
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| 11:36 | <Nubae> only if u have sshd installed in the chroot
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| 12:45 | <tostado> i tried hard to set my client keyboard to german, anybody got a clue how to configure that ?
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| 13:04 | <stgraber> Yeah !!! I got suspend to ram working on a thin client :)
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| 13:25 | <stgraber> Nubae: hey, I just gave another quick try to sugar, it works quite well :)
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| 13:26 | Nubae: I just had to install sugar and sugar-activities on the application server, remove network-manager and set LDM_XSESSION=sugar
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| 13:26 | Nubae: now my test lab is autologing into sugar :)
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| 13:54 | <mr_clark> Hi guys. Just got ltsp installed on Ubuntu 8.10. Works great except that the login screen is screwed up. It's got huge block letters that take up most of the screen. Any idea how to fix this?
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| 14:47 | <hadouken> [test IRC message]
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| 15:27 | <Nubae> stgraber: cool, so that is a fat client?
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| 15:28 | LDM_XSESSION=sugar? where was that defined?
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| 15:29 | <stgraber> Nubae: nope, that's a thin client with sugar on the server
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| 15:29 | <Nubae> ah ok... yeah sugar runs fast right?
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| 15:29 | <stgraber> Nubae: in lts.conf (well, in my case in our control center, but the result is the same)
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| 15:30 | Nubae: yeah it does, but so does gnome on that kind of hardware :) (Intel Atom 1.6Ghz)
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| 15:30 | <Nubae> yeah but sugar as an option for xsession?
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| 15:30 | when was that done
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| 15:30 | I ran it on a geode 500, and it flew
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| 15:30 | also, sugar only uses 55mb
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| 15:30 | <stgraber> LDM_XSESSION just starts /usr/share/xsessions/<LDM_XSESSION>.desktop on the server
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| 15:30 | so the sugar package provides /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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| 15:30 | <Nubae> oh, thats new...
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| 15:31 | sugar.desktop didnt exist before
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| 15:32 | If you want sessions to exit cleanly, u need to add a --exit-with-session
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| 15:32 | <stgraber> root@ltspdemo-appserv1:~# dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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| 15:32 | sugar: /usr/share/xsessions/sugar.desktop
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| 15:32 | Nubae: ah, ok thanks for the tip. The .desktop only starts sugar-shell, without any option :(
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| 15:32 | <Nubae> and for collaboration u need ejabberd, have u played with collaboration yet?
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| 15:33 | <stgraber> nope, not yet
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| 15:33 | <Nubae> thats really cool
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| 15:33 | when u see people sharing apps across the network, it blows your mind
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| 15:33 | kids just pick it up like a mobile phone
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| 15:33 | the way to install is at !sugar I believe
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| 15:34 | <Nubae> !sugare
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| 15:34 | <ltspbot`> Nubae: Error: "sugare" is not a valid command.
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| 15:34 | <Nubae> !sugar
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| 15:34 | <ltspbot`> Nubae: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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| 15:34 | <Nubae> ah...
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| 15:34 | its basically installing ejabberd with the olpc patches
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| 15:35 | I'd like to get it working on fat client though... for some reason that doesnt quite work
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| 15:37 | <stgraber> ok, so looking at that link, the sugar part is done, I just need to do some configuration and install ejabberd
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| 15:37 | <Nubae> yeah
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| 15:38 | for jaunty we should really include that default...
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| 15:38 | the option for sugar I mean
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| 15:38 | I'm setting up 2 labs now here in Austria with ltsp+sugar
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| 15:39 | <stgraber> yeah, if we have an easy way to do a ltsp fat client with sugar, it should be a plugin as they did for mythbuntu
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| 15:39 | so you'd have a ltsp-build-client option for sugar
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| 15:40 | <Nubae> fat client is done, and in theory its just apt-get install sugar sugar-activities, but I still get an X on the screen with no session manager
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| 16:02 | <cliebow> Ho~
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| 16:04 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey
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| 16:07 | <cliebow> jammcq:you were asking about a wireless antenna?
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| 16:07 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 16:07 | <cliebow> you can have the one i had mounted on the house...
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| 16:08 | not good for wardriving 9`_
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| 16:08 | <jammcq> well.... let's give it a try
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| 16:09 | <cliebow> i have dongles for cisco and orinoco,,
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| 16:09 | <jammcq> how about for a Linksys router?
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| 16:10 | <cliebow> umm..i used to..lemme look
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> well, if you find it, bring it along
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| 16:10 | <cliebow> reverse tnc..something like that
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| 16:10 | <jammcq> warren is bringing wireless routers
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| 16:10 | I'm bringing scotty
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| 16:10 | both are valuable :)
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| 16:11 | <warren> you smuggling him over the border?
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| 16:12 | <jammcq> well, we'll be crossing the border a couple of times
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| 16:12 | we take a shortcut from michigan, through ontario, then into newyork
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| 16:15 | <cliebow> i have one to fit my linksys antenna connection..the other end is n connector
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| 16:16 | screws right on..seems like i sweat bullets to match it up..
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| 16:16 | screws right on..seems like i sweat bullets to match it up..
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| 17:05 | <petre> jammcq, did you say you've met the QWK2LRN people?
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| 17:05 | James Hare?
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| 17:05 | from Detroit?
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| 18:11 | <jammcq> petre: I've never met him, but I've talked to him
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| 18:12 | <petre> do they have an LTSP installation in Detroit somewhere?
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| 18:12 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 18:12 | a couple I think
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| 18:12 | <petre> running on a mainframe?
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| 18:13 | <jammcq> no blue
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| 18:13 | err
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| 18:13 | no clue
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| 18:13 | <petre> that's the impression I got when I met him in Indianapolis
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| 18:13 | but he was a sales guy, couldn't tell me any technical details
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| 18:14 | said they used RHEL instead of CentOS because it could be used on mainframes
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| 18:14 | which is a rather odd claim
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| 18:15 | <jammcq> what's odd about it?
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| 18:16 | <petre> the demo system he had was an old compaq rackmount machine
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| 18:16 | also running RHEL
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| 18:16 | <jammcq> ok, I use RHEL for some customers too
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| 18:16 | <petre> right, we did too when I worked for Nextel
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| 18:17 | but we used CentOS on our dev & test machines
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| 18:17 | didn't need any sort of support on it
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| 18:17 | and that's all we use where I"m working now
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| 18:17 | * jammcq is still waiting for the "odd" part | |
| 18:17 | <petre> but again, support isn't an issue
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| 18:18 | to claim that they couldn't use CentOS, that they had to use RHEL
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| 18:18 | <jammcq> well, maybe for the mainframe they do
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| 18:18 | <petre> for 'technical' reasons
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| 18:18 | <jammcq> does Centos support a mainframe?
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| 18:19 | <petre> not sure, but that wasn't a mainframe he had in his hotel room
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| 18:19 | there is something to be said for using the same system across the board
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| 18:19 | <jammcq> ok, maybe he's just not comfortable using a knockoff of redhat
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| 18:19 | <petre> right, I think that's the case
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| 18:19 | <jammcq> i've never used centos
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| 18:20 | <petre> it's just like RHEL, a respin of RH's source code
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| 18:20 | <jammcq> I understand that
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| 18:20 | <petre> they strip out all the artwork and stuff
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| 18:21 | the conversation just felt like "If it doesn't have a company behind it, it can't be any good"
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| 18:21 | that's why I said 'odd'
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| 18:21 | <jammcq> the linux world has been fighting that idea since the beginning
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| 18:21 | <petre> perhaps I just misunderstood
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| 18:21 | <jammcq> and just because you CAN get a free copy of redhat doesn't always mean you should get the free copy
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| 18:22 | I'm a big believer in paying for quality, to help make it even better quality
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| 18:22 | using centos does nothing at all to help redhat make a better product
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| 18:23 | for years, back when I used Redhat exclusively, I'd buy the packaged version just to help support the cause, even tho I could download the isos for free
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| 18:27 | <petre> actually, I heard somewhere that some of the Centos folks are being paid by RH
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| 18:27 | <jammcq> hmm, wonder why the'd do that
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| 18:27 | unless they are really RH employees, working on centos on the side
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| 18:27 | <petre> because it's a good way to get Linux in the door
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| 18:27 | could be
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| 18:28 | at Nextel, we bought RHEL for the production boxes, made the managers sleep better at night
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| 18:29 | <jammcq> every once in a while, I run into a problem and have to get RH support involved and it reminds me why we pay for it
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| 18:29 | <petre> but we used CentOS on the deve & test boxes 'cause we didn't care if there were problems, which there never were
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| 18:29 | right, but it was a way to show an advantage over buying another box and putting windows on it since we had a site license
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| 18:30 | and cheaper than buying another HP-UX box
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| 18:30 | and countering the 'it can't be any good if there's no company behind it' mentality
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| 18:30 | multi-prong approach/advantages
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| 18:39 | have you ever heard of anyone else running LTSP from Linux running on a mainframe?
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| 18:40 | <jammcq> yeah, over the years, I've heard from a few people
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