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Channel log from 14 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> !Gadi++ :)
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| 12:01 | <moldy> hi
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| 12:01 | where is the udev rules file in karmic?
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| 12:02 | the manual says /opt/ltsp/<arch>/etc/udev/rules.d/<some-letter-and-number>-ltspfd.rule
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| 12:02 | but i don't see such a file on my system
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> dpkg -L udev
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| 12:04 | <moldy> alkisg: on the client?
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> anywhere - just to see the paths...
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| 12:05 | <moldy> well, the paths differ on client and server
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| 12:05 | client just has 2 files for persistent net and cd stuff
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| 12:06 | also, the file i am looking for is not part of the udev package, i think?
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| 12:08 | it's /lib/udev/rules.d
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> Which file are you looking for?
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| 12:09 | <moldy> alkisg: i want to enable local hard disk access on the thin client
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> recent versionsm of udev moved the location ... docs should be updated.
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| 12:09 | <moldy> LTSPManual.html says i should edit /opt/ltsp/<arch>/etc/udev/rules.d/<some-letter-and-number>-ltspfd.rule
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| 12:11 | hm, 80-ltspfsd.rules already contains an entry that looks like it should detect hard disks
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| 12:18 | <vagrantc> moldy: local hard disks are excluded, you need to set an lts.conf option ...
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| 12:18 | LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=false
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| 13:07 | <moldy> vagrantc: thanks
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| 13:08 | vagrantc: i can never remember where all those lts.conf options are documented
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| 13:09 | that one in particular does not seem to be documented at all
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> !lts.conf
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| 13:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> there's also an upstream version
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| 13:12 | yes, ltsp-docs doesn't seem to document it ...
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| 13:13 | that's a fairly important one *sigh*
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| 15:49 | <comfrey> vagrantc: that backport is good to go?
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| 15:51 | oh, and is it a bug that the default dnsmask.conf for debian is pointing at nbi rather than nfs?
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| 15:56 | nevermind .. i just need to build the correct arch i think...
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> comfrey: freegeek is using it
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| 16:02 | * comfrey updates sources.list | |
| 16:02 | <vagrantc> comfrey: it points to pxelinux for clients that report pxe, and nbi for clients that report etherboot
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| 16:03 | comfrey: you'll also have to manually specify the backports when building... it's a little clunky.
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| 16:05 | comfrey: ltsp-build-client --pin-dist lenny-backports --pin-packages 'ltsp-client ltsp-client-core ltspfsd ltspfsd-core ldm' --extra-mirror 'http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main' --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg # assuming you've got backports.org keys in your keyring.
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| 16:05 | think that ought to do it.
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| 16:07 | i was really hoping to have 5.1.99 on backports.org, but the broken mipsel buildd's are preventing it from migrating to testing...
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| 16:07 | i've been fighting all day with my mipsel box, but it is apparently unstable.
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| 16:07 | don't know if it's my hardware or the software...
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| 16:08 | i've got to update the backports page ... it's a little more complicated than i'd like... i wonder if it will work to just have a --backports option.
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| 16:15 | <comfrey> vagrantc: interesting, thanks. it looks like amd64 is not supported out of alioth.
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| 16:15 | i guess i'll head to backports.org
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> comfrey: you want amd64 clients? or the server packages aren't available?
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| 16:16 | <comfrey> server packages
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| 16:16 | what do you recomend?
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> you could just pull the server-side packages from squeeze- there's no changes to any of those in the backports.
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| 16:16 | they were trivial rebuild backports.
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| 16:17 | oh, ltspfs may require actual backporting at this point.
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| 16:17 | well, trivial rebuild style.
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| 16:22 | <comfrey> does the backport hav 337 more dependancies than the regular lenny package?
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| 16:22 | <vagrantc> yes, but they should all be satisfyable in lenny.
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| 16:23 | <comfrey> why so many more dependancies?
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| 16:23 | <vagrantc> a lot of new features :)
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| 16:24 | if you really don't want them all, you can just use --early-packages 'ltsp-client-core $foo $bar $baz'
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| 16:26 | <comfrey> ok, rad.
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| 16:26 | off for tea while 530 MB come down
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| 16:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> vagrantc, alkisg: I modified ltsp-update-image today making it a bit more intelligent (hopefully) in establishing ports and writing configs
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| 16:43 | Tests well on my end, but looking forward to some additional testing
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Hey Gadi. I'm looking at it right now :)
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: yeah, saw that.
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: would you mind if I excluded /proc in mksquashfs by default?
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| 16:43 | Because right now, it'll break with fat clients...
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> comfrey: just committed a plugin to make backports support much simpler.
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| 16:44 | alkisg: you'll have to figure out some way to add it back in
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| 16:44 | <comfrey> vagrantc: rad ... you need any work these days?
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i.e. the emty directory needs to be there.
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| 16:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> alkisg: oh, I see - there's code to unmount /proc but if it does not unmount, it still get included, eh?
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah. I saw it as an example in the mksquashfs man page, and I thought it would work out of the box...
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| 16:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> perhaps we can use umount -l?
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| 16:45 | or are we anti that?
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: I had added an unmount -l for the fat clients case, in case everything goes wrong - I don't have any clean solutions right now, so a workaround should suffice...
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| 16:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> umount -l works for me. I know it's not clean, but it's not ltsp-update-image's fault..
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| 16:45 | OK, I'll add it tomorrow
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| 16:46 | Another thing, about /etc/default/ltsp-update-image
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| 16:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> I didnt muck with the generation code
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| 16:46 | mostly just the port stuff
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| 16:46 | and the cfg file writing
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| 16:46 | <alkisg> 1) It should be included *before* the parameters handling, and
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| 16:46 | 2) shouldn't that go to /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf, like all other files?
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| 16:47 | (you didn't change that, I was this way before...)
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| 16:47 | <stgraber> btw, I'd like to tag 5.2 on Wednesday if possible. That's assuming we get nbd-proxy fixed by then ...
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| 16:47 | so I can upload 5.2 just before FF on Thursday
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| 16:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> I definitely agree with #2
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| 16:47 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: about 1), it just means that command line parameters override the defaults in the file.
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| 16:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> as for #1, I dont think it matters
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| 16:48 | oh, I see
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| 16:48 | ur right
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| 16:48 | command line should override
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| 16:48 | Il move it to the top and recommit
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> So generally it is: 1) conffiles 2) parameters 3) defaults...
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| 16:51 | <Gadi_eeepc> pushed
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| 16:52 | alkisg: I realized why there was some weirdness as to what ltsp-update-image does versus ltsp-update-kernels. Its simply because not all distros call l-u-i
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| 16:52 | but aall call l-u-k
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| 16:52 | so, all the nbd port stuff for the image needs to be part of l-u-i
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| 16:53 | but, I tried to be careful in the calculations to find ports that are not used by other chroots or other running services on the system (with netstat)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> Thanks Gadi, that was a nice work.
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| 16:55 | Could we somehow not hardcode "quiet splash" ?
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| 16:55 | <Gadi_eeepc> oh yeah!
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| 16:55 | I was going to add a -o option
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| 16:55 | to pass BOOTOPTARGS
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| 16:58 | I mean BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> maybe we could set up some common values that both ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels use?
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> echo "BOOTPROMPT_OPTS=\"quiet splash nbdport=${NBD_PORT}\"" >${THIS_CHROOT}/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> a common configuration
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Maybe nbdport shouldn't be part of BOOTPROMPT_OPTS
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| 17:00 | * alkisg votes for /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf, both on the chroots and on the server... | |
| 17:04 | <Gadi_eeepc> thats already how it should work
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| 17:05 | if you pass -o OR if you set BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS in a server side config file, l-u-i will write those options correctly in the chroot and run update-kernels in the chroot
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> Gadi: append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=${NBD_PORT}
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| 17:06 | BOOTPROMPT_OPTS aren't used there...
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| 17:06 | <Gadi_eeepc> where is that/
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> 192
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| 17:06 | *191
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| 17:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> doh
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| 17:07 | will fix it
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| 17:07 | of course that part is only called as a last resort
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> Gadi_eeepc: but if you put BOOTPROMPT_OPTS there, you'll have 2 nbdports
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| 17:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> normally, it grabs the file from the chroot
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| 17:07 | no, it'll be ok
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> That's why I think that nbdport shouldn't be part of BOOTPROMPT_OPTS, in line 167
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| 17:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> oh, and I prolly dont need nbdport on the kernel line
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| 17:08 | just the append
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 17:10 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 17:10 | pushed
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| 17:10 | gotta run for a while
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| 17:10 | let me know if I screwed anything else up! :)
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> Nah, you did a fine job. It's the architecture that's screwed...
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| 17:16 | <alkisg> I still think that this line will result in infinite nbdports:
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| 17:16 | echo "BOOTPROMPT_OPTS=\"${BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS} nbdport=${NBD_PORT}\"" >${THIS_CHROOT}/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 17:21 | Ah, they're not sourced from update-kernels, they're regenerated on each run...
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| 17:21 | ok
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| 17:22 | So I'd need to set BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="splash" on the server, and that would get me BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="splash nbdport=2001" on the chroot. Got it.
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| 17:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> you would set BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS="splash"
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| 17:27 | BOOTPROMPT_OPTS is an internal variable
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| 17:28 | btw, despite how the code might look, it is still the chroot's update-kernels right ow that creates that pxelinux.cfg file
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| 17:28 | should we *only* have the server create that file?
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| 17:29 | I would need to grab those pieces for TIMEOUT and IPAPPEND
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| 17:31 | tho, all the code is already there
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| 17:32 | maybe I should remove it from the server side and add flags to write TIMEOUT and IPAPPEND variables to the chroot's conf file
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| 17:33 | hmm... and we should handle nbdroot in a sane way
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| 21:00 | <Gadi_eeepc> stgraber: can you upload latest upstream to your ppa, say tomorrow, so we can test more easily before tagging?
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| 21:00 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: sure
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| 21:00 | Gadi_eeepc: will do so later tonight
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| 21:01 | <Gadi_eeepc> excellent - if you could do ltsp, ldm and ltspfs that would be great
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| 21:01 | <stgraber> I didn't see any commit to ldm or ltspfs today and I did an upload last night
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| 21:01 | but I'll have a quick look see if something changed
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| 21:03 | <stgraber> ltsp done (rev 1665)
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| 21:04 | ldm is already up to date (rev 1242)
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| 21:04 | and so is ltspfs-trunk (rev 138)
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| 21:33 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: they are all in my PPA (though maybe ltsp is still building)
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| 21:34 | just checked, they are all built.
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| 21:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> stgraber: excellent - I am looking forward to hearing from folks how they test on lucid
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| 21:45 | stgraber: are they built for karmic, as well?
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| 22:02 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: nope, that's Lucid only. I have no clue if a backport would work on karmic
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| 22:02 | I'll be testing that when backporting 5.2
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