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Channel log from 30 August 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:20 | <tarzeau> hello, does anyone use an lts.conf with SERVER=$(/usr/local/bin/get-ltsp-server) ?
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| 10:21 | <tarzeau> if i have this in, it'd fail. the script is in the ltsp client chroot, an it returns one hostname of two ltsp servers we have
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| 10:23 | <alkisg> Using commands in lts.conf isn't a good practice, I don't think it's even documented anywhere
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| 10:23 | Create an ltsp_config.d script for this
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| 10:26 | <tarzeau> alkisg: had this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=935416
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> OK, tell them the same thing then, that they're not supposed to do that :)
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| 10:27 | <andygraybeal> greets
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| 10:28 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 10:29 | <tarzeau> alkisg: ok can you point me to an url similar to the above describing what i do with ltsp_config.d script?
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> Sorry, I'm not aware of any forum URLs describing the ltsp_config.d directory
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| 10:30 | But you just need to create a sourceable script in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/010-balance-servers
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| 10:31 | <tarzeau> it doesn't need to be a forum url. it can be any url, preferably the upstream documentation web page
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> And you put your code there
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| 10:31 | <tarzeau> so i would create the directory ltsp_config.d and put my get-ltsp-server script as 010-balance-servers there?
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| 10:32 | alkisg: and where would this be executed? and what is it supposed to do? just echo the hostname of the ltsp server the client needs to use?
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> Scripts in ltsp_config.d are sourced by the ltsp client scripts, so it's a place to put lts.conf defaults that need code
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| 10:33 | You don't echo things, you set lts.conf variables
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| 10:33 | E.g. if xxx; SERVER=yy; else SERVER=zz; fi
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| 10:33 | <tarzeau> it could also be any shell code with my own shebang line checking load first?
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> No
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| 10:33 | It's sourced, not executed
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| 10:34 | So shebang is ignored
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| 10:34 | <tarzeau> alkisg: and i don't have to move lts.conf from /var/lib/tftp or do i? since if i do, i need to update ltsp images after every change
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> !ltsp-update-image
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| 10:34 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-update-image: If you use NBD (e.g. Ubuntu), every time you change something in your chroot (e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386), you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin clients for the changes to take effect
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> So if you put things in ltsp_config.d, then yes you need to run ltsp-update-image once
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| 10:35 | <tarzeau> daduke: can you reboot your client and test if my 010-balance-servers works with SERVER=plimpy ?
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| 10:35 | <daduke> tarzeau: hold the phone
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> Don't forget to export the var
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| 10:36 | export SERVER
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| 10:36 | <tarzeau> oh... daduke wait
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| 10:36 | <daduke> tarzeau: too late :)
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> It might work without exporting, not sure
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| 10:36 | But better export it for child processes to pick SERVER up
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| 10:36 | <tarzeau> i don't know which SHELL is sourcing it...
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| 10:37 | <tarzeau> if it's sh it wouldn't if sh is bash, then it should
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> sh is not different to bash in exporting
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| 10:37 | <tarzeau> daduke: i updated the image while you were booting, so if strange things happen, just reboot again
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> If you set a variable without exporting it, child processes don't see it
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| 10:38 | Of course you need to delete your SERVER setting in lts.conf for the defaults in ltsp_config.d to take effect
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| 10:38 | <tarzeau> alkisg: ok we don't have any lts.conf SERVER= setting
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> Btw, and independed from all this, I think that NBD balancing is best done at dhcp stage
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| 10:39 | <tarzeau> daduke: you should always login to plimpy, if this works, i'll add the balance to 010-whatever
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| 10:39 | alkisg: is there any implementation already anywhere to just read up and copy?
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> It was mentioned some times here in irc and in the mailing list, but I don't have any URLs handy
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| 10:39 | <daduke> tarzeau: nope. LDM loops, no response from server or something (hard to read)
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> Anyway, /me goes back to work, good luck...
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| 10:40 | <daduke> tarzeau: log just says: INFO: calling rc.d pressh scripts
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| 10:40 | alkisg: thanks!
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| 10:40 | <tarzeau> daduke: :(
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| 10:41 | <daduke> tarzeau: just before looping it says: [ssh] CRITICAL: no response, restarting
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| 10:42 | <tarzeau> and that was after the 2nd reboot, after my adding export SERVER ?
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| 10:42 | change and image rebuild
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| 10:42 | <daduke> tarzeau: reboot
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Btw $SERVER is also needed at the initramfs stage, before root is mounted
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| 10:48 | And neither your previous script not ltsp_config.d are available at that point
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| 10:48 | So your NBD root will always be the same with that method
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| 10:48 | But it should take effect in the next lts.conf/ltsp_config.d sourcing, done by ltsp client init scripts
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| 10:48 | So it should affect your login server
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| 10:50 | <muppis> In clustering, does client survive if one of servers disappears?
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| 10:50 | <daduke> alkisg: login server would be the first step, NBD comes next. So far we still can't get the SERVER= part working
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> daduke: do you only want the login server, or do you also want to set the nbd server on the same step?
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| 10:52 | A completely different method is needed for the later
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| 10:53 | <daduke> alkisg: login server would be more important b/c our thin clients usually stay turned on for quite a while
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> OK, then setting SERVER or LDM_SERVER in ltsp_config.d should do it. bbl... :)
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| 10:54 | <daduke> alkisg: what exactly does 'or' mean? either? both? version dependent?
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| 10:54 | (just asking b/c so far it doesn't work..)
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| 10:55 | tarzeau: no luck so far
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| 10:55 | tarzeau: I wonder where it's trying to connect to... "[ssh] CRITICAL: no response, restarting"
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| 10:55 | <tarzeau> daduke: so do i, run ngrep port 22 ?
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| 10:56 | daduke: on funkadelic
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| 10:56 | <daduke> tarzeau: ngrep not in the chroot...
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| 10:56 | <tarzeau> or tcpdump (both not installed yet... fixing)
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| 10:57 | daduke: reboot
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/pid/environ can be used to examine the environment of one process
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| 11:14 | To see SERVER/LDM_SERVER etc
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| 11:14 | With "or" I meant "either"
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| 11:19 | <daduke> alkisg: and you're sure load balancing is working in recent (Ubuntu natty) versions of LTSP? we've had no success whatsoever so far...
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> daduke: load balancing isn't related to ltsp, you just set different configuration for the client, so it uses a different server
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| 11:20 | So yeah it should work independed of the ltsp version
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| 11:20 | <daduke> alkisg: ok thanks, we'll try harder then
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| 11:20 | <alkisg> daduke: export an environment variable in ltsp_config.d, e.g. "TEST=value", and see if you can read it from /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ
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| 11:21 | <tarzeau> tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/pid/environ
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| 11:21 | -bash: /proc/pid/environ: No such file or directory
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> You need an actual pid there
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| 11:21 | run ps to see the pid of ldm etc
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| 11:21 | <tarzeau> of ldm?
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> Yes, e.g. pidof ldm
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| 11:22 | <tarzeau> SERVER=192.33.99.213
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| 11:22 | LDM_SERVER=plimpy.ethz.ch
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> If you read that from /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ, then that's where it's trying to connect to.
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| 12:44 | <muppis> Client seems to be unable to read audio cd. Is this fault hw or software issue?
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| 12:49 | <Hyperbyte> This is using localapps I assume?
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| 12:49 | <muppis> Yes.
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| 12:50 | <Hyperbyte> Just checking. :P
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| 12:52 | I'd say software by the way
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| 12:52 | If it reads normal data CD's, I think it should be able to read audio CD's...
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| 12:52 | <muppis> It plays DVD fine.
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| 12:54 | Well, I continue tomorrow. Gotta go now.
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| 12:54 | <Hyperbyte> Good luck
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> Gavin!
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| 13:04 | :>
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| 13:36 | <Da-Geek> Hiya Hyperbyte long time no ping :-)
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| 13:37 | * Da-Geek been mega busy out of and about.... :-( | |
| 13:37 | <Da-Geek> but finally have real intertubes to mess with again....
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| 13:48 | <Ghidorah> Good morning everyone. Does anyone know if it is possible to have a local-app launch a non local app? IE. Local-app firefox launching a non-local app PDF viewer.
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> !ltspbot seen cliebow
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| 13:52 | <ltsp> jammcq: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> ltspbot seen cliebow
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> !seen cliebow
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| 13:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 6 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <cliebow> going to paint the porch...
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| 13:52 | <jammcq> heh, thanks
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| 13:52 | i'm a bit rusty on the ltspbot stuff
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> :)
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> Ghidorah: set: REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf
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| 14:05 | Ghidorah: when prompted by firefox, say "yes" to opening the file with ltsp-open
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| 14:07 | <Ghidorah> Oh neat. Is this a newer lts.conf parameter?
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> hmm... we coded it last bts, I believe
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| 14:07 | so it is since last November
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| 14:08 | probably largely undocumented
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| 14:08 | :)
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| 14:08 | <Ghidorah> Is this years BTS in Nov?
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> end of Oct
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| 14:09 | <Ghidorah> I was bugging my boss to get my organization to donate some funds
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| 14:09 | I'll politely remind him again :)
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| 14:09 | <jammcq> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
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| 15:06 | <Blinny> Hmm. One of my newly upgraded Lucid LTSP servers won't let folks type into the screensaver unlock - have to reboot the client. Before screensaver lock, the keyboard works just fine.
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| 15:15 | <Blinny> Anyone else experience this problem? It must be server-specific, because the same user can log into other servers and not experience the issue.
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| 15:16 | <Hyperbyte> Personally, I uninstalled screensaver packages on my thin clients and use X_BLANKING in lts.conf, to blank the clients directly.
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| 15:16 | Correction
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| 15:16 | Personally, I uninstalled screensaver packages on my terminal server and use X_BLANKING in lts.conf, to blank the clients directly.
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| 15:18 | <Blinny> Does X_BLANKING prompt for PW upon activity?
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| 15:20 | <Blinny> Ours is more of a security issue.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Blinny, try ltsp-update-kernels for that server, not sure if it'll help but it won't hurt to try
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| 15:24 | Hyperbyte, in Ubuntu, the screensaver is patched for LTSP, so that it only uses the blank screensaver anyway - you can't use another screensaver even if you wanted to
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| 15:24 | Blinny: or, ltsp-update-image, what I mean is ensure that the kernel in tftp is the same as the kernel in the nbd image
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| 15:24 | <Blinny> alkisg: Dig, will do.
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| 15:29 | Thank you
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| 16:58 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: ping?
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| 17:00 | <Gadi> pong
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| 17:10 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know of a method to extract the LTSP-Cluster logs to a file?
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| 17:12 | IE the LTSP-Cluster-Control-Center Terminal Logs
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| 17:15 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, you can psql the DB
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| 17:18 | sudo -u postgres psql ltsp
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| 17:18 | ltsp=# SELECT * FROM log;
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| 17:18 | <mgariepy> then you can redirect the output to a file.
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| 17:18 | <Ghidorah> awesome thanks!
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| 17:22 | <mgariepy> you are welcome
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| 18:07 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: ping?
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| 18:14 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: pong
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| 18:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: hello!
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| 18:14 | the lts.conf config you gave me worked great
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| 18:14 | <Gadi> awesome - I dont even remember it
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| 18:14 | :)
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| 18:14 | <_UsUrPeR_> it turns out to have SOMETHING_VOLUME = 100 etc settings working properly, you have GOT to have SOUND = TRUE
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| 18:15 | <Gadi> ah, sure
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| 18:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> if sound != true, the variables will not be instantiated
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| 18:15 | <Gadi> without SOUND=True, it wont configure sound
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| 18:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> I had assume sound defaulted to "true"
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| 18:15 | guess not, huh? :)
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| 18:15 | <Gadi> it does
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| 18:15 | maybe you had it set to false somewhere else
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| 18:15 | <_UsUrPeR_> from my testing, I can tell you that it does not behave that way
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| 18:15 | that's quite possible
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| 18:16 | so that works well
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| 18:16 | now I am trying to figure out how to allow a user to use a mixer in iceWM to adjust volumes
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| 18:16 | unfortunately, when using alsamixergui (a non-gnome sound mixer), there is only two volume mixers showing up
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| 18:17 | <Gadi> make him part of the audio group?
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| 18:17 | <_UsUrPeR_> I assume this is because the mixer is not being run as root
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| 18:17 | ok, cool. let me give that a shot
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| 18:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: since the mixer is being run locally on the client, where should I add the user to the audio group?
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| 18:18 | is that still on the server?
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| 18:19 | <Gadi> are you running icewm on the server or as a fat client?
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| 18:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> Gadi: that is run on the server
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| 18:20 | * _UsUrPeR_ puts 2 and 2 together | |
| 18:20 | <_UsUrPeR_> 4
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| 18:20 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 18:20 | are you running the alsamixergui on the server?
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| 18:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> no, that's running as a localapp
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| 18:21 | <Gadi> if so, it will only see the pulseaudio "soundcard"
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| 18:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh. ok. In that case, that is what it's seeing
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| 18:21 | <Gadi> try: alsamixergui -c0
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| 18:21 | <_UsUrPeR_> is there a way to show it the "rest" of the audio hardware?
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| 18:22 | <Gadi> er
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| 18:22 | actually
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| 18:22 | ltsp-localapps alsamixergui -c0
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| 18:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> that did it
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| 18:22 | interesting
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| 18:22 | <Gadi> that says give me "card 0"
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| 18:22 | which is a physical card
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| 18:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> gotcha
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| 18:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, wonderful
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| 18:24 | thanks
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| 20:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey all
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| 20:42 | a question about Fedora/K12 linux: I am having a lot of trouble getting localapps running on a 64-bit Fedora server
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| 20:43 | When I attempt to install applications on the client image, the server is using it's 64-bit kernel to build, and I can't figure out how to tell the client image to use i386 kernels
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| 20:43 | <Hyperbyte> What steps are you taking to install applications to the client image?
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| 20:46 | <_UsUrPeR_> cd /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 20:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> mount --bind /proc ./proc
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| 20:47 | chroot ./
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| 20:47 | yum install xyz
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| 20:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> failure due to i386 repository trying to run with x64 server kenel
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| 20:48 | doing this exat process on an i386 server works properly
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| 20:48 | exat = exact
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| 20:57 | <Hyperbyte> Try
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| 20:57 | setarch i386 chroot ./
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| 21:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 21:00 | there we go
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| 21:00 | where'd you glean that tidbit?
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| 21:04 | <Hyperbyte> Earlier, actually, from monteslu.
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| 21:04 | <_UsUrPeR_> crud
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| 21:04 | see what happens when my attention lapses for but a moment? :)
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| 21:04 | <Hyperbyte> Although, I know more about Fedora than Ubuntu. :)
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| 21:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> the tiny significances between the two and how they operate are what get you every time :)
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| 21:05 | thanks!~
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| 21:05 | <Hyperbyte> I've been using RedHat Linux / Fedora since 2001 or so, I think... only recently started using Ubuntu for my LTSP server. :)
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| 21:39 | <monteslu> Hyperbyte, redhat/centos/SL6/fedora is back!
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| 21:39 | in the ltsp mix, anyways
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| 21:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 21:39 | Fedora only up to version 14 though
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| 21:39 | <monteslu> I had a year or 2 of ubuntu for ltps before warren put out k12linux
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| 21:40 | its good to be back :)
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| 21:40 | Hyperbyte, that's just the chroot. The server is a RHEL 6 or derivitive
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> No, that's not just the chroot.
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| 21:41 | <monteslu> sure it is. check out k12linux.org
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| 21:41 | <Hyperbyte> Fedora 15 is supported as LTSP server?
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| 21:41 | <monteslu> ok, fine
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| 21:41 | I'm actually using f15 for my own desktop
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| 21:42 | but dont want to update the ltsp server every 6 months :)
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| 21:42 | and RHEL 6 does chrome, which is what i really wanted
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| 21:44 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 21:44 | It's nice, but reason I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu for LTSP is that there was no continued development
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| 21:44 | <monteslu> yeah, i almost went back to ubuntu again
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| 21:45 | <Hyperbyte> There's a current version again now, but Warren has stated a bunch of times that he's not continueing beyond this point
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| 21:45 | <monteslu> but instead pitched in a few bucks to get the centos one up
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| 21:45 | <Hyperbyte> So it's not really a solution, definitely not a motivation for me to switch from Ubuntu. :)
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| 21:46 | <monteslu> well, hopefully in a few years when I need a new version he'll do it again
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| 21:46 | or someone else
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| 21:46 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 21:46 | Let's hope.
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| 21:46 | <monteslu> I'm finally just now starting to get the internals. Probably be a long time for I'm able to really contribute code though
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