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Channel log from 30 August 2011   (all times are UTC)

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10:20
<tarzeau>
hello, does anyone use an lts.conf with SERVER=$(/usr/local/bin/get-ltsp-server) ?
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10:21
<tarzeau>
if i have this in, it'd fail. the script is in the ltsp client chroot, an it returns one hostname of two ltsp servers we have
10:23
<alkisg>
Using commands in lts.conf isn't a good practice, I don't think it's even documented anywhere
10:23
Create an ltsp_config.d script for this
10:26
<tarzeau>
alkisg: had this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=935416
10:26
<alkisg>
OK, tell them the same thing then, that they're not supposed to do that :)
10:27
<andygraybeal>
greets
10:28
<alkisg>
Good morning
10:29
<tarzeau>
alkisg: ok can you point me to an url similar to the above describing what i do with ltsp_config.d script?
10:30
<alkisg>
Sorry, I'm not aware of any forum URLs describing the ltsp_config.d directory
10:30
But you just need to create a sourceable script in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config.d/010-balance-servers
10:31
<tarzeau>
it doesn't need to be a forum url. it can be any url, preferably the upstream documentation web page
10:31
<alkisg>
And you put your code there
10:31
<tarzeau>
so i would create the directory ltsp_config.d and put my get-ltsp-server script as 010-balance-servers there?
10:32
alkisg: and where would this be executed? and what is it supposed to do? just echo the hostname of the ltsp server the client needs to use?
10:32
<alkisg>
Scripts in ltsp_config.d are sourced by the ltsp client scripts, so it's a place to put lts.conf defaults that need code
10:33
You don't echo things, you set lts.conf variables
10:33
E.g. if xxx; SERVER=yy; else SERVER=zz; fi
10:33
<tarzeau>
it could also be any shell code with my own shebang line checking load first?
10:33
<alkisg>
No
10:33
It's sourced, not executed
10:34
So shebang is ignored
10:34
<tarzeau>
alkisg: and i don't have to move lts.conf from /var/lib/tftp or do i? since if i do, i need to update ltsp images after every change
10:34
<alkisg>
!ltsp-update-image
10:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-update-image: If you use NBD (e.g. Ubuntu), every time you change something in your chroot (e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386), you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin clients for the changes to take effect
10:34
<alkisg>
So if you put things in ltsp_config.d, then yes you need to run ltsp-update-image once
10:35
<tarzeau>
daduke: can you reboot your client and test if my 010-balance-servers works with SERVER=plimpy ?
10:35
<daduke>
tarzeau: hold the phone
10:36
<alkisg>
Don't forget to export the var
10:36
export SERVER
10:36
<tarzeau>
oh... daduke wait
10:36
<daduke>
tarzeau: too late :)
10:36
<alkisg>
It might work without exporting, not sure
10:36
But better export it for child processes to pick SERVER up
10:36
<tarzeau>
i don't know which SHELL is sourcing it...
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10:37
<tarzeau>
if it's sh it wouldn't if sh is bash, then it should
10:37
<alkisg>
sh is not different to bash in exporting
10:37
<tarzeau>
daduke: i updated the image while you were booting, so if strange things happen, just reboot again
10:37
<alkisg>
If you set a variable without exporting it, child processes don't see it
10:38
Of course you need to delete your SERVER setting in lts.conf for the defaults in ltsp_config.d to take effect
10:38
<tarzeau>
alkisg: ok we don't have any lts.conf SERVER= setting
10:38
<alkisg>
Btw, and independed from all this, I think that NBD balancing is best done at dhcp stage
10:39
<tarzeau>
daduke: you should always login to plimpy, if this works, i'll add the balance to 010-whatever
10:39
alkisg: is there any implementation already anywhere to just read up and copy?
10:39
<alkisg>
It was mentioned some times here in irc and in the mailing list, but I don't have any URLs handy
10:39
<daduke>
tarzeau: nope. LDM loops, no response from server or something (hard to read)
10:40
<alkisg>
Anyway, /me goes back to work, good luck...
10:40
<daduke>
tarzeau: log just says: INFO: calling rc.d pressh scripts
10:40
alkisg: thanks!
10:40
<tarzeau>
daduke: :(
10:41
<daduke>
tarzeau: just before looping it says: [ssh] CRITICAL: no response, restarting
10:42
<tarzeau>
and that was after the 2nd reboot, after my adding export SERVER ?
10:42
change and image rebuild
10:42
<daduke>
tarzeau: reboot
10:47
<alkisg>
Btw $SERVER is also needed at the initramfs stage, before root is mounted
10:48
And neither your previous script not ltsp_config.d are available at that point
10:48
So your NBD root will always be the same with that method
10:48
But it should take effect in the next lts.conf/ltsp_config.d sourcing, done by ltsp client init scripts
10:48
So it should affect your login server
10:50
<muppis>
In clustering, does client survive if one of servers disappears?
10:50
<daduke>
alkisg: login server would be the first step, NBD comes next. So far we still can't get the SERVER= part working
10:52
<alkisg>
daduke: do you only want the login server, or do you also want to set the nbd server on the same step?
10:52
A completely different method is needed for the later
10:53
<daduke>
alkisg: login server would be more important b/c our thin clients usually stay turned on for quite a while
10:53
<alkisg>
OK, then setting SERVER or LDM_SERVER in ltsp_config.d should do it. bbl... :)
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10:54
<daduke>
alkisg: what exactly does 'or' mean? either? both? version dependent?
10:54
(just asking b/c so far it doesn't work..)
10:55
tarzeau: no luck so far
10:55
tarzeau: I wonder where it's trying to connect to... "[ssh] CRITICAL: no response, restarting"
10:55
<tarzeau>
daduke: so do i, run ngrep port 22 ?
10:56
daduke: on funkadelic
10:56
<daduke>
tarzeau: ngrep not in the chroot...
10:56
<tarzeau>
or tcpdump (both not installed yet... fixing)
10:57
daduke: reboot
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11:14
<alkisg>
tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/pid/environ can be used to examine the environment of one process
11:14
To see SERVER/LDM_SERVER etc
11:14
With "or" I meant "either"
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11:19
<daduke>
alkisg: and you're sure load balancing is working in recent (Ubuntu natty) versions of LTSP? we've had no success whatsoever so far...
11:19
<alkisg>
daduke: load balancing isn't related to ltsp, you just set different configuration for the client, so it uses a different server
11:20
So yeah it should work independed of the ltsp version
11:20
<daduke>
alkisg: ok thanks, we'll try harder then
11:20
<alkisg>
daduke: export an environment variable in ltsp_config.d, e.g. "TEST=value", and see if you can read it from /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ
11:21
<tarzeau>
tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/pid/environ
11:21
-bash: /proc/pid/environ: No such file or directory
11:21
<alkisg>
You need an actual pid there
11:21
run ps to see the pid of ldm etc
11:21
<tarzeau>
of ldm?
11:21
<alkisg>
Yes, e.g. pidof ldm
11:22
<tarzeau>
SERVER=192.33.99.213
11:22
LDM_SERVER=plimpy.ethz.ch
11:22
<alkisg>
If you read that from /proc/$(pidof ldm)/environ, then that's where it's trying to connect to.
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12:44
<muppis>
Client seems to be unable to read audio cd. Is this fault hw or software issue?
12:49
<Hyperbyte>
This is using localapps I assume?
12:49
<muppis>
Yes.
12:50
<Hyperbyte>
Just checking. :P
12:52
I'd say software by the way
12:52
If it reads normal data CD's, I think it should be able to read audio CD's...
12:52
<muppis>
It plays DVD fine.
12:54
Well, I continue tomorrow. Gotta go now.
12:54
<Hyperbyte>
Good luck
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<Hyperbyte>
Gavin!
13:04
:>
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<Da-Geek>
Hiya Hyperbyte long time no ping :-)
13:37* Da-Geek been mega busy out of and about.... :-(
13:37
<Da-Geek>
but finally have real intertubes to mess with again....
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13:48
<Ghidorah>
Good morning everyone. Does anyone know if it is possible to have a local-app launch a non local app? IE. Local-app firefox launching a non-local app PDF viewer.
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13:52
<jammcq>
!ltspbot seen cliebow
13:52
<ltsp>
jammcq: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
13:52
<jammcq>
ltspbot seen cliebow
13:52
<alkisg>
!seen cliebow
13:52
<ltsp>
alkisg: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 6 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <cliebow> going to paint the porch...
13:52
<jammcq>
heh, thanks
13:52
i'm a bit rusty on the ltspbot stuff
13:52
<alkisg>
:)
14:05
<Gadi>
Ghidorah: set: REMOTE_APPS=True in lts.conf
14:05
Ghidorah: when prompted by firefox, say "yes" to opening the file with ltsp-open
14:07
<Ghidorah>
Oh neat. Is this a newer lts.conf parameter?
14:07
<Gadi>
hmm... we coded it last bts, I believe
14:07
so it is since last November
14:08
probably largely undocumented
14:08
:)
14:08
<Ghidorah>
Is this years BTS in Nov?
14:08
<Gadi>
end of Oct
14:09
<Ghidorah>
I was bugging my boss to get my organization to donate some funds
14:09
I'll politely remind him again :)
14:09
<jammcq>
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
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<Blinny>
Hmm. One of my newly upgraded Lucid LTSP servers won't let folks type into the screensaver unlock - have to reboot the client. Before screensaver lock, the keyboard works just fine.
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<Blinny>
Anyone else experience this problem? It must be server-specific, because the same user can log into other servers and not experience the issue.
15:16
<Hyperbyte>
Personally, I uninstalled screensaver packages on my thin clients and use X_BLANKING in lts.conf, to blank the clients directly.
15:16
Correction
15:16
Personally, I uninstalled screensaver packages on my terminal server and use X_BLANKING in lts.conf, to blank the clients directly.
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15:18
<Blinny>
Does X_BLANKING prompt for PW upon activity?
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<Blinny>
Ours is more of a security issue.
15:23
<alkisg>
Blinny, try ltsp-update-kernels for that server, not sure if it'll help but it won't hurt to try
15:24
Hyperbyte, in Ubuntu, the screensaver is patched for LTSP, so that it only uses the blank screensaver anyway - you can't use another screensaver even if you wanted to
15:24
Blinny: or, ltsp-update-image, what I mean is ensure that the kernel in tftp is the same as the kernel in the nbd image
15:24
<Blinny>
alkisg: Dig, will do.
15:29
Thank you
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16:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ping?
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17:00
<Gadi>
pong
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17:10
<Ghidorah>
Does anyone know of a method to extract the LTSP-Cluster logs to a file?
17:12
IE the LTSP-Cluster-Control-Center Terminal Logs
17:15
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, you can psql the DB
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sudo -u postgres psql ltsp
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ltsp=# SELECT * FROM log;
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<mgariepy>
then you can redirect the output to a file.
17:18
<Ghidorah>
awesome thanks!
17:22
<mgariepy>
you are welcome
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18:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: ping?
18:14
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: pong
18:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: hello!
18:14
the lts.conf config you gave me worked great
18:14
<Gadi>
awesome - I dont even remember it
18:14
:)
18:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
it turns out to have SOMETHING_VOLUME = 100 etc settings working properly, you have GOT to have SOUND = TRUE
18:15
<Gadi>
ah, sure
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18:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
if sound != true, the variables will not be instantiated
18:15
<Gadi>
without SOUND=True, it wont configure sound
18:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
I had assume sound defaulted to "true"
18:15
guess not, huh? :)
18:15
<Gadi>
it does
18:15
maybe you had it set to false somewhere else
18:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
from my testing, I can tell you that it does not behave that way
18:15
that's quite possible
18:16
so that works well
18:16
now I am trying to figure out how to allow a user to use a mixer in iceWM to adjust volumes
18:16
unfortunately, when using alsamixergui (a non-gnome sound mixer), there is only two volume mixers showing up
18:17
<Gadi>
make him part of the audio group?
18:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
I assume this is because the mixer is not being run as root
18:17
ok, cool. let me give that a shot
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: since the mixer is being run locally on the client, where should I add the user to the audio group?
18:18
is that still on the server?
18:19
<Gadi>
are you running icewm on the server or as a fat client?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: that is run on the server
18:20* _UsUrPeR_ puts 2 and 2 together
18:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
4
18:20
<Gadi>
hehe
18:20
are you running the alsamixergui on the server?
18:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
no, that's running as a localapp
18:21
<Gadi>
if so, it will only see the pulseaudio "soundcard"
18:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. ok. In that case, that is what it's seeing
18:21
<Gadi>
try: alsamixergui -c0
18:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
is there a way to show it the "rest" of the audio hardware?
18:22
<Gadi>
er
18:22
actually
18:22
ltsp-localapps alsamixergui -c0
18:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
that did it
18:22
interesting
18:22
<Gadi>
that says give me "card 0"
18:22
which is a physical card
18:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
gotcha
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, wonderful
18:24
thanks
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20:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
20:42
a question about Fedora/K12 linux: I am having a lot of trouble getting localapps running on a 64-bit Fedora server
20:43
When I attempt to install applications on the client image, the server is using it's 64-bit kernel to build, and I can't figure out how to tell the client image to use i386 kernels
20:43
<Hyperbyte>
What steps are you taking to install applications to the client image?
20:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
cd /opt/ltsp/i386
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<_UsUrPeR_>
mount --bind /proc ./proc
20:47
chroot ./
20:47
yum install xyz
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<_UsUrPeR_>
failure due to i386 repository trying to run with x64 server kenel
20:48
doing this exat process on an i386 server works properly
20:48
exat = exact
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20:57
<Hyperbyte>
Try
20:57
setarch i386 chroot ./
21:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
21:00
there we go
21:00
where'd you glean that tidbit?
21:04
<Hyperbyte>
Earlier, actually, from monteslu.
21:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
crud
21:04
see what happens when my attention lapses for but a moment? :)
21:04
<Hyperbyte>
Although, I know more about Fedora than Ubuntu. :)
21:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
the tiny significances between the two and how they operate are what get you every time :)
21:05
thanks!~
21:05
<Hyperbyte>
I've been using RedHat Linux / Fedora since 2001 or so, I think... only recently started using Ubuntu for my LTSP server. :)
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21:39
<monteslu>
Hyperbyte, redhat/centos/SL6/fedora is back!
21:39
in the ltsp mix, anyways
21:39
<Hyperbyte>
:)
21:39
Fedora only up to version 14 though
21:39
<monteslu>
I had a year or 2 of ubuntu for ltps before warren put out k12linux
21:40
its good to be back :)
21:40
Hyperbyte, that's just the chroot. The server is a RHEL 6 or derivitive
21:40
<Hyperbyte>
No, that's not just the chroot.
21:41
<monteslu>
sure it is. check out k12linux.org
21:41
<Hyperbyte>
Fedora 15 is supported as LTSP server?
21:41
<monteslu>
ok, fine
21:41
I'm actually using f15 for my own desktop
21:42
but dont want to update the ltsp server every 6 months :)
21:42
and RHEL 6 does chrome, which is what i really wanted
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<Hyperbyte>
:)
21:44
It's nice, but reason I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu for LTSP is that there was no continued development
21:44
<monteslu>
yeah, i almost went back to ubuntu again
21:45
<Hyperbyte>
There's a current version again now, but Warren has stated a bunch of times that he's not continueing beyond this point
21:45
<monteslu>
but instead pitched in a few bucks to get the centos one up
21:45
<Hyperbyte>
So it's not really a solution, definitely not a motivation for me to switch from Ubuntu. :)
21:46
<monteslu>
well, hopefully in a few years when I need a new version he'll do it again
21:46
or someone else
21:46
<Hyperbyte>
:)
21:46
Let's hope.
21:46
<monteslu>
I'm finally just now starting to get the internals. Probably be a long time for I'm able to really contribute code though
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