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Channel log from 2 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:50 | <alkisg> !compiz
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| 01:50 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 09:51 | <winthrowe> Hello all, I am having some problems with localapps functionality. I had it working, and thought I hadn't done anything major, basic upgrades and preparing my .skel and so forth, but now local apps silently fail. I don't see anything immediately ovbious poking around as root on the local machine, except that the localappsd does something, but I could use some troubleshooting tips
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| 09:52 | <dobber> what are you trying to start as a local app ?
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| 09:52 | <winthrowe> firefox, to offload flash
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| 09:53 | xterm also exhibits the same behavior, but I don't care if that works.
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| 09:53 | <dobber> have you tryied starting it from the terminal ?
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| 09:53 | xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "firefox"
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| 09:53 | <winthrowe> I will try that now, I had only tried as 'ltsp-localapps firefox'
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| 09:54 | <dobber> its basically the same
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| 09:55 | <winthrowe> yes, it just returns immediately again, without telling me anything useful at the shell. ubuntu 10.04 btw
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| 09:55 | <dobber> ok
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| 09:56 | <winthrowe> 64bit server, 32 client, if it matters/helps
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| 09:56 | <dobber> mine configuration is the same
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| 09:57 | can you do smth like
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| 09:57 | <winthrowe> certainlky
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| 09:58 | <dobber> $ strace -s 255 -o /tmp/debug-file -f /usr/bin/xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "firefox"
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| 09:58 | and paste the entire debug-file in pastebin.com
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| 09:58 | <winthrowe> one moment
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| 09:59 | <dobber> there are IP addresses in the file
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| 09:59 | if you want to change them
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| 10:03 | <winthrowe> they're all 10.x addresses, so I think it's fine, http://pastebin.com/0X28j6fR
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| 10:07 | I can also do tracing of the local side, if that would help, it leaves behind a process labeled "[su] <defunct>"
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| 10:07 | and xatomwait LTSP_COMMAND
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| 10:08 | I don't remember checking when I had it working so that may or may not be normal
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| 10:09 | <dobber> well the last strace was not very useful :(
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| 10:11 | as local root can you see if /var/log/daemon.log have any errors ?
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| 10:13 | <winthrowe> about as helpful as the terminal, logs that it's executing the command, but no error. perhaps it can be turned up.
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| 10:15 | <dobber> well i'm really not sure what to do
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| 10:16 | try debuging local "ltsp-localappsd"
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| 10:16 | but i don't think that would be really helpful :(
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| 10:18 | <winthrowe> well, I tried running strace -ff -o on it, and it spawns several processes, and seems to do a number of things before dying, but as i'm not a C guy, nothing jumped out of the traces to me.
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| 10:19 | except so far as it seems to die before actually running the target process, which is the problem in the first place
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| 10:21 | <dobber> ltsp-localappsd does a bunch of stuff
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| 10:22 | and then sets LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANGUAGE etcetcetc $LTSP_COMMAND
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| 10:22 | so if you search in the debug file for LANGUAGE
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| 10:22 | you should see where the 'firefox' command was actually executed
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| 10:23 | but i dont think that would be very helpfull
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| 10:25 | <dobber> alkisg,
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> ?
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| 10:26 | <dobber> you know a lot more than me
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| 10:26 | winthrowe have a problem starting local apps
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| 10:27 | <winthrowe> yes, I am
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| 10:28 | * alkisg looks at the logs... | |
| 10:28 | <winthrowe> any extra info you need, I will obtain.
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> In the meantime, please paste your lts.conf
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| 10:31 | (or, getltscfg -a from a local shell)
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| 10:32 | <winthrowe> here, or pastebin?
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> !seen gadi
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| 10:33 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Gadi> that's two
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| 10:33 | <winthrowe> http://pastebin.com/LJipWjzb
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> eeyk!
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> vagrantc: about Gadi? He was speaking to me 2 days ago... deep in a project
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| 10:34 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> winthrowe: OK, please remove all lines except 1 [Default] and 3 LOCAL_APPS_MENU = True from lts.conf and reboot your terminal.
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| 10:35 | The menu_items was making ltsp-localappsd to reject xterm
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| 10:35 | <winthrowe> one moment.
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| 10:36 | rebooting
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| 10:39 | <winthrowe> there seems to be no change, running ltsp-localapps firefox still produces no output and no firefox window
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| 10:39 | <alkisg> Try ltsp-localapps xterm
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| 10:40 | <winthrowe> it is the same
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> OK. Do you have the root account unlocked in the chroot?
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| 10:41 | <winthrowe> I do
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> OK, try: ps -ef | grep xatomwait
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| 10:41 | Is it there?
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| 10:42 | <winthrowe> it appears
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> And: grep ltsp-localappsd /var/log/daemon.log
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| 10:42 | See anything there?
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| 10:43 | <winthrowe> "excecuting comand as username xx: xterm"
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| 10:43 | <alkisg> But you don't actually see xterm... hmmm...
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| 10:45 | <winthrowe> the only other major factor I can think of is the setup was originally installed in english and converted to french. do you see a possibility of it dying rather than dropping to the "C" locale as I am used to?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> I think putting some debug info to ltsp-localappsd would be the best way to debug this
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| 10:47 | Ah
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| 10:47 | Did you also say something about a "su <defunct>" job?
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| 10:47 | <winthrowe> i did.
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> what do you get with echo $LANG from the root shell?
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| 10:49 | <winthrowe> en_CA.UTF-8
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> Urm, shouldn't that be french?
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| 10:50 | <winthrowe> I should think so.
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| 10:52 | <alkisg> Try this from within the session: ltsp-localapps touch /tmp/hi
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| 10:52 | And then from the root shell: ls /tmp/hi
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| 10:53 | <winthrowe> no such file
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> OK. Well... on to debugging then
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| 10:54 | <winthrowe> I'm going to reboot my terminal, with LANG properly set in /etc/default/locale first and see if that helps. I told him we should have just installed french. :)
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| 10:55 | at least then the client and server LANG should match
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> That shouldn't be the problem though
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| 10:56 | <winthrowe> but it is something I need to fix before i forget. ready again.
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> Anyway, if that doesn't work, try this afterwards:
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| 10:56 | open /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd, and after this line:
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| 10:56 | logit "Executing command as username ${LDM_USERNAME}: ${LTSP_COMMAND} "
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| 10:57 | put this line:
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| 10:57 | logit "su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $CLIENT_ENV ${LTSP_COMMAND}"
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| 10:57 | This way you'll see exactly what su tries to run, so that you can try it from the root shell and see any warnings etc
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| 10:57 | You'll need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the terminal as well
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| 10:58 | <winthrowe> change made.
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| 10:58 | rebooting
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| 11:01 | umm..
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| 11:02 | that should be logged to daemon.log, just like the other message, right?
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Yes, but did you run ltsp-update-image?
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| 11:02 | <winthrowe> I did.
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| 11:02 | the line shows when I examine the ltsp-localappsd file on the client, too
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Urm. Did you copy/paste that exact line above?
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| 11:03 | <winthrowe> I did
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| 11:03 | including the trailing "
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| 11:04 | <alkisg> And you put it right before the `if [ "$LTSP_COMMAND_WAIT" = "true" ]; then`, not inside the if, right?
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| 11:04 | <winthrowe> correct.
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> ....and if you run `ltsp-localapps xterm` two times in a row, you see it in daemon.log, but you don't see the "su" line?!
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| 11:05 | <winthrowe> below the logit that is getting logged, and above the if [ "$LTSP_COMAND_WAIT" ...
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| 11:06 | there isn't some shell weirdness that requires blanks or semicolons going on is there?
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| 11:07 | cause it looks like it should work to me
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> No... did you try running ltsp-localapps xterm two times?
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| 11:07 | (to verify that logger isn't dying)
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| 11:08 | <winthrowe> I tried firefox twice, and it showed up twice, I'll retry with xterm
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| 11:08 | <alkisg> Don't try firefox at all as it might have other problems. But yeah that covers the test we wanted here...
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| 11:09 | <winthrowe> xterm only showed up once, even though I tried it several times.
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| 11:09 | oh, I guess syslog just was waiting to batch them\
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| 11:10 | <alkisg> Ah. Try this:
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| 11:10 | logit() {
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| 11:10 | logger -t ltsp-localappsd -p daemon.info "$@"
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| 11:10 | }
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| 11:11 | That $1 there may cause problems because it isn't quoted
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| 11:11 | ltsp-update-image etc... :)
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| 11:11 | <winthrowe> s/$1/"$@"/ correct?
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| 11:11 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 11:11 | <winthrowe> one minute
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| 11:12 | rebuilt, rebooting
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| 11:14 | now there's something
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| 11:14 | guess I'll have to retype by hand, so one moment:
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| 11:16 | su - correctuser -c LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fr_FR.utf-8 DISPLAY=:7 XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-auth-blah/Xauthority xterm
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| 11:17 | <winthrowe> ldm-auth-blah is populated to an existing directory with a Xauthority file owned by the correct user
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| 11:18 | <alkisg> And I suppose if you try that exact command from the root shell, it works?
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| 11:20 | <winthrowe> no! :)
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| 11:20 | su: auth failure
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| 11:20 | (Ignored)
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| 11:21 | LANGUAGE=fr_FR.UTF-8: 27: Syntax error: "else" unexpected
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| 11:21 | well, 'else' certainly is unexpected. line 27 of what?
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| 11:23 | whatever it is, it's the exact same error for any program
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| 11:23 | * alkisg will be back in 5'... | |
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| 11:32 | <alkisg> winthrowe: what configuration files did you tamper? E.g. /etc/environment or /etc/profile or some pam files...
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| 11:33 | <winthrowe> some pam files were modified to set up pam-mount but I believe it was still working after that change.
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| 11:35 | <alkisg> try strace or something like that
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| 11:35 | ...to see which files su accesses
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| 11:44 | <winthrowe> I have a list, but I don't know which might be important. I see that it's missing some locale files still
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| 11:49 | <winthrowe> I can't really see anything that comes out, lots of pam files listed, but those were all changed on the server.
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| 11:50 | http://pastebin.com/MnkFjXs0 is output from strace -eopen on the su command
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| 11:51 | <winthrowe> the two you mentioned /etc/enviroment and /etc/profile, i haven't touched
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> If you just run `su username`, does it work?
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| 12:04 | (from the root shell)
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| 12:05 | <winthrowe> yes, I get a shell under the new user
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> Ah, btw, watch for the quotes when you use su
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| 12:06 | su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c "LANG=$LANG LANGUAGE=$LANG DISPLAY=$DISPLAY XAUTHORITY=$XAUTHORITY $CLIENT_ENV ${LTSP_COMMAND}"
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| 12:06 | ^^^ see where the quotes should be there
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| 12:06 | Because in logit we changed them, we put them in front
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| 12:07 | (to make them one parameter to logit instead of many, so that all the line gets logged)
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| 12:07 | <winthrowe> that changes "LANGUAGE=fr_FR: 27: syntax error" to "-su: syntax error: "else" unexpected"
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> something like that: su - correctuser -c "LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=fr_FR.utf-8 DISPLAY=:7 XAUTHORITY=/var/run/ldm-auth-blah/Xauthority xterm"
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| 12:09 | Then, try removing stuff until you get it to work
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| 12:11 | Also check if it's a problem for this specific user - e.g. try to create a new user
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| 12:11 | <winthrowe> if I back it down to 'su - correctuser' it still complains '-su: Syntax error: "else" unexpected' but it gives me a shell
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| 12:12 | anything more gives that same error but dies
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> create a new user on the server, login normallly from ldm, and then try su - newuser
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| 12:15 | <frederickjh> Can some one point me to a how for running some apps on the clients?
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| 12:15 | I have done this before but can not seem to find the instructions via google.
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> !localapps
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| 12:18 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 12:18 | <alkisg> There's also a newer one for karmic...
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| 12:19 | <winthrowe> that's weird. it works for a server local user, but not for a ldap user.
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| 12:19 | as in, i can run the xterm
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| 12:20 | even though I blew away the home directory for my ldap test user and it was created from scratch on first login with the same skel as my local user
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| 12:37 | <csabadobo> hi,
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| 12:37 | may ask for some hlep?
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| 12:38 | I am building an ltsp system in a school
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 12:39 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> Sure, go ahead
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| 12:39 | <csabadobo> ok, thanks
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| 12:39 | I have a few related questions like: how to set default screen resolution
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| 12:40 | <csabadobo> and set a script to shut down clients
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| 12:40 | and a few more like these
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 12:40 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> XRANDR_MODE_0 there
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| 12:41 | <csabadobo> it is ubuntu 10.04
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| 12:41 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP ==> methods for shutdown etc
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| 12:43 | <csabadobo> have you tryed this
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| 12:43 | ?
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| 12:43 | because I have and it does not seem to do anything
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> Not personally, I'm using my own scripts. But others have, and it works for them. There are 2 methods there, I heard both of them are working.
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| 12:44 | <csabadobo> my mad than
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| 12:45 | ok, I will try it again
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| 12:46 | how about setting a screen res? problem is that on some monitors res. is really high
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| 12:47 | I am thinking limiting to some reasonable max size
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| 12:49 | <winthrowe> alkisg: I thought it might be a sh vs bash issue, since there was a shell mismatch between my ldap and test user, but no luck. any other thoughts as to why local apps might be broken for ldap users?
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> csabadobo: see what I wrote about XRANDR_MODE_0 above
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| 12:50 | winthrowe: nope, no idea about ldap.
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| 12:50 | I'd check all the files that strace says are accessed by su...
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| 12:51 | <winthrowe> well, at least that's more information than I had this afternoon.
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| 12:59 | <csabadobo> <alkisg: can you give me an example, lets say for 1024x768 max res?
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| 12:59 | <csabadobo> I am not so very good yet
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 13:01 | <csabadobo> thanks
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| 13:01 | so it is the max res or it is the only one that can be set?
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> It's the default res
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| 13:03 | Users can select another if they want
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| 13:05 | <csabadobo> sorry again, is there a way I can specify a few resolutions with the max?
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| 13:05 | <alkisg> Not easily. You can either set the default or a fixed resolution, but not the max resolution.
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| 13:05 | For the max resolution, you'd need to set X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 13:06 | So read the lts.conf man page about XRANDR_MODE_0, X_MODE_0, X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 13:07 | <csabadobo> I see, so best is to use XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 or whatever I prefer
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> It's the easiest way, yes
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| 13:07 | <csabadobo> then I need to user relatively similar monitors
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| 13:08 | I am building this in a school with about 1000 students and staff
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| 13:08 | <csabadobo> but not all will use it, mainly in the library and a few in the corridor
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| 13:09 | I have already incorporated ldap client for the ltsp server with nfs
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| 13:09 | with auto home
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| 13:10 | <csabadobo> may I ask more or am I keeping you up?
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> It's an irc channel, people come and go, anyone here can answer. So go ahead and ask, if anyone knows the question and reads the channel he'll answer...
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| 13:11 | <csabadobo> very kind thanks
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| 13:14 | first I wanted xfce to be the desktop but some problem came up: usb sticks were not shown on client's desktop but it was mounted under media...and....
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> the only desktop that fully integrates local devices is gnome
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| 13:15 | <csabadobo> when I plugged an pendrive into server all clients received the pendrive icon and was shown the contents
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| 13:15 | <frederickjh> (07:18:25 PM) alkisg: There's also a newer one for karmic... Do you know of one for Lucid? That is what I am running.
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| 13:15 | <csabadobo> ok, I came to the same conlusion, but
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> and plugging devices into the server should generally be avoided.
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| 13:16 | <csabadobo> I need some sort of lockdown, I found sabayon...
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> frederickjh: the karmic one is valid for lucid too
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| 13:16 | <csabadobo> it works very nicely but I had a strange error
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| 13:17 | when I was done configuring the desktop I wanted to lock down the panel, no luck....
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> for an ltspfs notification script for other desktops: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk/annotate/head:/doc/examples/notify
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| 13:17 | <csabadobo> the only way I could lock it down is when I locked my own panel, not inside sabayon screeen then it was locked for all
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| 13:18 | very strange
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| 13:18 | <frederickjh> Thank alkisg found it.
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| 13:19 | <csabadobo> could it be due to me using nfs auto home on ltsp server?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> frederickjh: basically, you just need to install the apps to the chroot, and set LOCALAPPS_MENU_ITEMS in lts.conf
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| 13:25 | <csabadobo> one more: is there a way to disable window manager choosing in ldm?
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| 13:27 | I wanted to use ltsp manager to do that but it did not work
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| 15:59 | <Lns> hey check this out
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| 15:59 | http://labombiya.com.ar/hard/hobby/33-login-with-magnetic-cards.html
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| 20:32 | <vagrantc> AHA!
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| 20:32 | the reason there's no /var/run/ltspfs_fstab is because one of the initscripts purges /var/run at boot...
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| 20:57 | <vagrantc> and the reason /var/run/ gets purged is because RAMRUN and RAMLOCK are set in /etc/default/tmpfs instead of /etc/default/rcS
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| 20:58 | which worked in lenny, but apparently not in squeeze...
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| 22:16 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 22:23 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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