IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:37 | <gnunux> hi
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| 00:39 | <Hyperbyte> Heya!
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| 05:02 | <blueonyx> hi there, what options for centralised user management other than ldap are out there?
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| 05:02 | (and when got the L in LDAP lost? ;)
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| 05:21 | <vmlintu> blueonyx: what kind of environment do you have?
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| 05:22 | <blueonyx> vmlintu: fat clients but my users dont use X, just ssh, i thing i'll stick with yp/nis
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| 05:24 | <vmlintu> blueonyx: ldap and nis are the ones that come into my mind too. I haven't personally used nis for a decade now, I think..
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| 05:31 | <Stefn> hi, after loging on my edubuntu ltsp client, i get a blank desktop and then it fails
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| 05:31 | does anyone know what's causing this?
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| 05:31 | <andygraybeal> moRRIngingingi
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| 05:35 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone !
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| 05:36 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 05:36 | <mgariepy> Stefn, which version ?
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| 05:36 | <Stefn> edubuntu 10.04
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| 05:38 | i386
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| 05:40 | <mgariepy> hmm not sure.
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| 05:40 | did you try to disable/remove compiz ?
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| 05:40 | <Stefn> no, what is that?
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| 05:41 | <mgariepy> cmopiz gives desktop effects
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| 05:43 | <Stefn> can I remove it with this command on my server? apt-get remove compiz compiz-core compiz-plugins
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| 05:43 | <mgariepy> yes
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| 05:44 | if this doesn't work, maybe you can have useful information in ~/.xsession-errors
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| 05:49 | <Stefn> seems like its working
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| 05:49 | <mgariepy> good :)
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| 05:50 | <Stefn> what causes this? weak videocard?
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| 05:51 | <mgariepy> yeah maybe the video card isn't supported correctly for compiz.
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| 05:51 | <Stefn> allright, thank you very much :)
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| 05:52 | <mgariepy> you're welcome
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| 05:52 | <andygraybeal> compiz is extra anyway, it's not needed
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| 05:52 | 2d work space is fine; no need for 3d flashy
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| 05:53 | maybe in 10 yrs we will all have 'minority report' interface :)
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| 05:54 | <mgariepy> andygraybeal, are you working on it already ?
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| 05:54 | <andygraybeal> hah :)
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| 05:54 | if they keep moving along with this stuff they are doing with wii and the microsoft console, maybe we'll get somewhere :)
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| 05:55 | *the new microsoft console
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| 06:17 | <Hyperbyte> Is there anyone here who is involved (even if just a little bit) in LTSP for Fedora?
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| 06:53 | <blueonyx> why cant udhcp grep an ip sometimes?
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| 10:18 | <dantix> hi all, I've just recreated the floppy disk for a thin client and started to not boot enymore saying: Could not automatically detect the network card.... I have an ne2000 ISA. Here the part correspondig to the client of dhcpd.conf : http://pastebin.com/y3ju6ABz
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| 10:20 | seems something is not passing option-129 to the kernel...
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| 11:11 | <mgariepy> hey alkisg
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| 11:12 | i pushed the new nbd-proxy in ltsp-trunk. can you try it in your setup ?
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| 11:19 | <alkisg> Hey mgariepy
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| 11:19 | <mgariepy> :)
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| 11:20 | * alkisg is at a conference, presenting ltsp tomorrow... | |
| 11:20 | <mgariepy> nice :)
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| 11:23 | <andygraybeal> awesome, what is the name of the conference?
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| 11:23 | url url!
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| 11:23 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:26 | <dantix> what is the name of the image on eherboot image generator 5.4.3 to use with an ne200 isa card ?
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| 11:26 | <alkisg> Hehe it's a greek conference :)
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| 11:28 | * vagrantc cheers alkisg on getting greece ltsp'ed | |
| 11:29 | <alkisg> We're at about 250 schools and getting more each month :)
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| 11:38 | <andygraybeal> wow nice
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| 11:39 | random question.. it's nothing important.. do you guys think that when the time comes you'll.. you'll be using unity as the desktop environment for LTSP or stick with gnome?
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| 11:39 | * vagrantc sticks with LXDE | |
| 11:40 | <andygraybeal> nice, i've thuoght abuot that too
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| 11:41 | vagrantc, do you happen to use evolution and lxde?
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| 11:41 | <vagrantc> there's a difference between what i use, and what i configure as people's default environment :)
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| 11:42 | * vagrantc doesn't even start X very often | |
| 11:42 | <vagrantc> well, i'll often go a whole day without X
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| 11:42 | <andygraybeal> nice
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| 11:42 | * Gadi pictures vagrantc using evolution... :) | |
| 11:42 | <andygraybeal> what do you use for yuor email?
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it'd probably involve a lot of profanity
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| 11:42 | andygraybeal: mutt!
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| 11:42 | <andygraybeal> nice, mutt :)
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> and offlineimap
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| 11:43 | * alkisg will switch to unity when young students come that have worked with android, mobiles, touch screens etc before working with "regular" desktop systems | |
| 11:43 | <alkisg> I don't imagine that will be very far in the future...
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> when i do finally boot X, i'm running tritium
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| 11:43 | <andygraybeal> tritium? (what the hell is tritium?! /me googles)
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> it's an ion knock-off
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| 11:44 | <andygraybeal> wm?
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> window manager, yeah
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| 11:52 | * ball sighs. Today is yet another day when I wish we'd been able to put ltsp on the desktop. | |
| 11:52 | <ball> I waste so much time fighting MS Windows and associated virus/trojan issues.
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| 11:52 | (and broken licenses)
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| 11:52 | <andygraybeal> poor ball ;(
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| 11:52 | ball do you work for a school?
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| 11:53 | <ball> andygraybeal: No, but we're on the edge of a college campus and get a lot of students through here.
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| 11:53 | <andygraybeal> your administration doesn't want LTSP?
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| 11:53 | <ball> andygraybeal: We want it, but there are some pieces missing.
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| 11:53 | <andygraybeal> aah .. do tell :)
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| 11:54 | <ball> ...and our budget is suboptimal.
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| 11:54 | <andygraybeal> ltsp == suboptimal budget perfection ?? yes?
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| 11:54 | <ball> andygraybeal: If you're looking at TCO, certainly.
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| 11:55 | <andygraybeal> your payroll isn't included?
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| 11:55 | <ball> Good question. I'll ask my boss.
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| 11:56 | <andygraybeal> naw i don't know if it is a good idea to ask.. what are the other peices you speak of?
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| 11:56 | i'm curios, i'm so happy i didn't come into an environment with exchange!
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| 11:56 | or novell
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| 11:58 | plus in 2014, xp will expire updates; it's a compelling argument
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| 11:59 | <ball> I actually went looking for Netware when we rejected ltsp.
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| 12:00 | ...sadly it had been discontinued.
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| 12:00 | One of the parts was the ability to lash two servers together for failover.
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> that's certainly possible, though depending on how much failover you want, varying degrees of difficulty
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| 12:05 | <ball> vagrantc: Don't need much granularity. If one server went down people would get dumped back at the login screen and then would log into the remaining working server.
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| 12:06 | Somehow need to synchronise part of a filesystem between two servers though.
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| 12:06 | (two physically separate servers)
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| 12:08 | <andygraybeal> you've seen the ltsp cluster documentation, yes?
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| 12:08 | that doesnt' cover what you need already?
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| 12:10 | <ball> I haven't seen the LTSP Cluster documentation. My vendors told me it was not practical.
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| 12:11 | (for us to do it ourselves)
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> the vendors might be in a biased role, no?
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| 12:14 | <ball> Fair point. Back then I didn't have the time to fight with Linux but perhaps that has changed.
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| 12:16 | <andygraybeal> ball, not to say anything about yuo, but i'm not very smart. I'm trying to learn all this stuff too. it's taken me a while. plenty of help here. i also just found 'linux small business server' called zentyal. they plan on having ltsp integration somewhat soon :) i'm very excited.
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| 12:16 | i don't know if zentyal is something you can use, but my business could definelty use it. i'm trying to get it working as we speak :)
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| 12:17 | <ball> I'll read up on that tonight then, after I get home.
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| 12:17 | <andygraybeal> i've been lucky too with ebay and buying hardware frm local auctions
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| 12:17 | it's made affording this whole thing a lot easier
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| 12:18 | <ball> We tend to buy our hardware directly from the vendor. Partly because I have to drive 300 miles whenever something breaks.
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| 12:18 | (e.g. today)./
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| 12:18 | <andygraybeal> :(
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| 12:18 | 300 miles.. holy crap
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| 12:18 | that's like longer than ohio is high
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| 12:19 | * ball chuckles | |
| 12:20 | <ball> Yeah, so anything that increases reliability is a good thing.
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| 12:20 | <ball> LTSP means fewer moving parts, so I like that.
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| 12:20 | hello cliebow
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| 12:20 | <cliebow> hiho
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| 12:21 | !seen jammcq
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| 12:22 | better?
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| 12:23 | !seen jammcq
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| 12:24 | * vagrantc misses ltspbot | |
| 12:24 | <cliebow> been so long ive forgotten..
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| 12:25 | * cliebow cliebow waves to vagrantc..and Gadi | |
| 12:25 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 12:46 | <ball> Oh, this is going to take a while.
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> sbalneav strikes again
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> no wonder he has that 'S' on his chest
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> although rather than patching pam_mkhomedir, i should just do it the way gadi recommended with pam_script
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| 12:58 | cuz i want to also back up the homedir before removing it
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| 13:00 | <andygraybeal> is cliebow sbalneav ?
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> no, i was referencing scotty's recent ltsp-discuss post
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| 13:00 | <andygraybeal> ah ok.. i guess i missed
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| 13:01 | aah libpam stuff
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| 13:06 | <Gadi> wow, and here I thought nobody lstens to me...
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| 13:06 | *listens
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| 13:06 | :)
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> though libpam-script looks just tricky enough to get it all wrong
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| 13:07 | here's to virtual machines
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| 13:07 | <andygraybeal> hah, that's how everything looks to me. :)
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| 13:16 | <mgariepy> have a nice weekend all !
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| 13:22 | <ball> Is there a good book on LTSP?
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| 13:25 | <andygraybeal> this channel and the ubuntu documentation on ltsp... from what I understand :)
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| 13:25 | and the man pages on lts.conf
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| 13:28 | <ball> Hmm... okay.
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| 13:28 | <andygraybeal> but maybe someone else knows better
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> And the .pdf from the upstream docs linked on the /topic
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| 13:28 | <andygraybeal> oh yea yea, that too
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| 13:28 | i forget about tha tone but that is a good one!
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| 13:34 | <ball> I just downloaded that.
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| 13:34 | Thanks.
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