IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: will you be attending the BTS this year?
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| 02:11 | <highvoltage> mgariepy said this week that we should raise funds to get alkisg at bts some time
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| 02:11 | (like, just get $5 from everyone who he helps on IRC then we'd have plenty enough :p)
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| 02:11 | <alkisg> Hehe!!!
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| 02:11 | <highvoltage> how is it going alkisg?
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| 02:11 | <alkisg> Pretty well! I got the sysadmin-like job I wanted for the next 3 years,
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| 02:12 | so I'll be in charge of maintaining the school labs in my region... that means more ltsp installations in the map :D
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| 02:13 | I also managed to get ubuntu-defaults working, so we'll be shipping our own localized CDs/DVDs with gnome-fallback + greek educational software preinstalled
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| 02:15 | <highvoltage> nice
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| 02:16 | <alkisg> highvoltage: you'll be at BTS, right?
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| 02:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i don't think i can manage all that travel
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| 02:19 | it's a bit far off the beaten path
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| 02:19 | <alkisg> vagrantc: so no vagrantc, alkisg or gadi this year... :-/
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| 02:20 | Let's see what the others cook for us
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| 02:20 | * alkisg hopes for LDMless LTSP | |
| 02:20 | <vagrantc> if i'm going that far out of my way, i may as well visit greece or something
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| 02:21 | <alkisg> I can surely arrange a BTS here!!!
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| 02:21 | * vagrantc hopes | |
| 02:21 | <alkisg> I might even be able to raise some funding for the event
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| 02:21 | <vagrantc> beenn nudging you for some time now :)
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| 02:22 | <alkisg> Let's nudge the other ltsp elders about it!
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| 02:22 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 02:23 | alkisg: i think most folks would at least love the idea...
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| 02:23 | * alkisg will try to bring that up for discussion at the BTS, even remotely... | |
| 02:23 | <highvoltage> alkisg: yep
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| 02:23 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 02:24 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: well we should really have one in greece
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: your neck of the woods would also be interesting to me, then i could spend a week or in montreal or something for my own reasons :)
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| 02:29 | <highvoltage> we're supposedly getting a montreal office soon (as in, the next month or so). maybe we could even do it there.
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| 02:29 | although... accomodation in mtl would be a lot more expensive so I guess that would be a blocker
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| 02:30 | * vagrantc has some couch surfing options | |
| 02:30 | <highvoltage> well at least it's still close. maybe in 6 months or so. might be nice
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| 02:30 | informal couch surfing or are you a Couch Surger™?
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| 02:30 | *Surfer™
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| 02:31 | <vagrantc> informal
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| 02:32 | it's funny how a site comes along and takes over the meaning of a concept
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| 02:33 | <highvoltage> heh, yeah
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| 02:34 | well, goodnight alkisg and vagrantc!
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| 02:34 | <alkisg> Goodnight highvoltage :)
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| 06:34 | <mealstrom> good morning
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| 06:35 | <muppis> Haven't seen the good part yet. >)
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| 07:11 | <Hyperbyte> Hey!
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| 07:21 | <mealstrom> muppis: sleep,good,morning -- choose 2
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| 07:22 | <muppis> Sleep and morning :D
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| 07:22 | <mealstrom> i knew that :D
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| 07:23 | <muppis> Well, that's obvious. :)
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| 09:14 | <Hyperbyte> I would choose "good sleep" myself. :P
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| 10:46 | <rkwesk> Hello. If I install Ubuntu 12.04 as follows: mini net w expert install so except grub no additional software
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> rkwesk: support for sch-scripts is much easier if you follow the installation guide... any reason for not doing so?
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| 10:47 | (hello!)
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| 10:47 | E.g. now you might be missing some package that was not met by the dependencies
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| 10:47 | <rkwesk> Then add repos universe multiverse and xorg gnome-session-fallback gnome-core ubuntu-standard gedit
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> If you have ssh port forwarding, I could have a look for missing stuff..
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| 10:48 | <rkwesk> exactly my thought also. Especially with ssl certs
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| 10:48 | if you think it could help I'll set it up
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 10:50 | <rkwesk> by the way what did the install guide say - go with full monty live ubuntu and add fallback and core?
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> Install ubuntu live, then sch-scripts, that automatically installs all esle
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| 10:50 | *else
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| 10:52 | <rkwesk> I'll reinstall with live
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| 10:53 | Thank you
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| 14:33 | <mgariepy> ls
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> ls: command not found
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| 14:46 | <mgariepy> lol
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| 14:46 | dir ?
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> Hehe, close, but / isn't mounted, so nope :P
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| 14:50 | <mgariepy> alkisg, on ubuntu, when doing ltsp-update-image the tftp is updated before the image, i guess it shouldn't.
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| 14:51 | anyway brb in 5 minutes. need to reboot.
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| 14:55 | <Hawkier> hi, just english here?
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| 14:56 | <Hawkier> anybody using edubuntu 12.04 with thin clients 32 bits?
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| 14:56 | <mgariepy> Hawkier, i do, 64 bit appserv and 32bit thin client.
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| 15:02 | <servercbe> hello! I am using edubuntu 12.04 LTSP, Versión 12.04 (precise) de 64-bit,,,,,Núcleo Linux 3.2.0-29-generic....GNOME 3.4.2 ...I am using Core i3, 6Gb Ram, 400 GB HDD, I am conecting 6 computers with ltsp, the problem is that I used to see all of them with epoptes but NOW I cant!!!!! I dont know whiy... any help please..
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| 15:05 | <highvoltage> hi servercbe
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| 15:06 | <servercbe> hi
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| 15:06 | <highvoltage> hang around, alkisg might be able to help you if he's an epoptes author and might be able to help you
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> mgariepy: do you mean it should be updated after the image is updated? Why, does it make any difference?
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| 15:07 | servercbe: what changed?
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| 15:07 | servercbe: did you try rebooting the server?
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| 15:08 | <servercbe> I dont know exactly.. I update the system, Turned it off and then epoptes didnt works again
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| 15:08 | <mgariepy> alkisg, the difference is that it won't boot correctly from the update kernel until the image is ready,
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| 15:09 | <servercbe> rebooting the server??
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> mgariepy: true, and updating them later would be better for ltsp-pnp (==no chroot) as well, let's mark this somewhere, could you file a bug?
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| 15:09 | servercbe: ok lets run some commands and see
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| 15:09 | servercbe: sudo netstat -nap | grep 789
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| 15:09 | <servercbe> ok
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| 15:09 | I am ready
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| 15:10 | <mgariepy> alkisg, yeah no problem.
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| 15:10 | <servercbe> all this commands on the server?
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> Yes, unless I tell you that it's a client command
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| 15:11 | <servercbe> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:789 0.0.0.0:* ESCUCHAR 1674/python unix 3 [ ] FLUJO CONECTADO 14789 2376/dbus-daemon @/tmp/dbus-TIh7l5Dw9u unix 3 [ ] FLUJO CONECTADO 12789 2421/polkit-gnome-a
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> mgariepy: ty :)
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| 15:11 | servercbe: nice, now, can you get on irc from a thin client as well?
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| 15:12 | And then, from the client, run this on a gnome-terminal: epoptes-client
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| 15:12 | <servercbe> terminal is not the same as gnome-terminal??
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> It's the same
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| 15:13 | <servercbe> ok... thanks and sorry
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| 15:14 | <mgariepy> alkisg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1048689
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| 15:14 | <mgariepy> i'll fix that at BTS 2012
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> Cool! :)
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| 15:15 | <serverterminal> * Epoptes-client connecting to localhost:789... ...done. Device "eth1 eth0" does not exist. epoptes-client ERROR: Empty MAC
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> serverterminal: so there's a bug there. Which epoptes version do you have? dpkg-query -W epoptes-client
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| 15:18 | <serverterminal> epoptes-client 0.5.5-0ubuntu0.1
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> serverterminal: please wait 1 minute to check if that was a known/solved bug...
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| 15:19 | <serverterminal> ok..thanks
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> No, it isn't. Can you give me your ip information? ip -oneline -family inet addr show
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| 15:21 | If for some reason you don't want to paste your IP publicly, you can PM it to me, in a private irc window
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| 15:23 | <serverterminal> how?
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Check on the top of your browser, you should be seeing a window named "alkisg" now
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| 15:23 | Nice
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| 15:25 | serverterminal: hmm I have to go in 5 minutes... would you mind sharing a terminal with me, so that I see the problem more quickly? I'll be running some "ip" commands without changing anything in your server, and you'll be seeing the commands and their output...
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| 15:26 | If you agree, copy/paste this command: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 15:30 | * alkisg thinks his routes on eth0/eth1/lxcbr0 confused epoptes... | |
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| 15:38 | * alkisg will be back in a couple of hours, bb | |
| 15:38 | <servercbe> My system frozen! What happend?
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> servercbe: no idea, it wasn't related to the commands we run
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| 15:39 | I have to go to the dentist, I'll be back in a couple of hours, if you can come back then
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| 15:39 | <servercbe> 3 or 4 hours
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| 15:39 | ??
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> 2
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| 15:39 | <servercbe> ok...
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> servercbe: ping?
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| 16:51 | <servercbe> hello?
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| 16:51 | <highvoltage> alkisg: heh, I also have a dentist appointment today (in an hour, actually)
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| 16:52 | <servercbe> alkisg
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| 16:52 | * alkisg postponed it for tomorrow after all :) | |
| 16:52 | <servercbe> I am here
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> hi servercbe
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| 16:52 | OK let's try it again
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| 16:52 | <servercbe> ok
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 16:53 | <highvoltage> I wish I could too, going to the dentist is not my idea of fun :)
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| 16:53 | <servercbe> should I put it in the terminal?
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| 16:53 | socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> servercbe: yup
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| 16:53 | That will allow both of us to see your terminal
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| 16:56 | servercbe: I ran the commands that epoptes-client runs to detect the server ip etc
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| 16:57 | But I saw no problem there
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| 16:57 | <servercbe> sorry.. I am restarting the thin client
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> servercbe: so, what I need is access to the terminal where you saw the problem
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| 16:58 | * alkisg disconnected from that terminal, run the command from the thin client when you're ready | |
| 16:58 | <alkisg> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 16:59 | <servercbe> ok
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| 16:59 | moment please
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 17:05 | <servercbe> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> servercbe: I don't see the "empty mac" problem there either
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| 17:07 | <serverterminal> it get stock always in this point
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> serverterminal: it's ok that it doesn't return
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| 17:07 | Can you see the client from the server epoptes now?
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| 17:07 | <servercbe> nop
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> servercbe: on the server, please close epoptes, open a terminal, and there run: epoptes
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| 17:10 | And paste the output that you see in the terminal when the epoptes window opens
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| 17:11 | <servercbe> servercbe@servercbe:~$ epoptes Got clients: 127.0.0.1:32969, 127.0.0.1:60909 --- **addClient's been called for 127.0.0.1:32969 Can't extract client information, won't add this client --- **addClient's been called for 127.0.0.1:60909 Can't extract client information, won't add this client
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> Hmmm that's the problem...
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| 17:12 | <servercbe> hmmm... what is it?
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| 17:12 | by the way.... THANKS FOR HELPING ME!
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| 17:12 | <Hawkier> mgariepy: hello, sry for the long wait, r u using tftpd-hpa with you ltsp edubuntu? i was using and was not communicating, and i changed to atfpd and now it serves only the nbi.img not i386.img
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> servercbe: I don't know yet, some of these IP-related commands breaks in your system. I'll need another shared console from the server, to enable the debug output, please wait a moment for me to set it up...
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| 17:14 | <servercbe> OK..
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| 17:14 | take your time...
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> servercbe: from the server: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 17:16 | <mgariepy> Hawkier, i use tftpd-hpa, the tftp server don't share the i386.img it's nbd-server that share this file.
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| 17:17 | <Hawkier> ah ok, so, the log says "Sep 10 14:08:33 servidor atftpd[3014]: Serving /ltsp/i386/nbi.img to 192.168.20.21:2001"
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| 17:17 | and nothing more. what can be wrong
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| 17:20 | <servercbe> what is going on with the terminal... sounds interesting...
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| 17:21 | <Hawkier> its just white screen, just got the ip
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| 17:21 | im from brazil and im trying to start the project in this school.
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> servercbe: please check the server terminal again, need the pass there...
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| 17:22 | servercbe: I haven't yet found out the problem... some of the IP/CPU/etc parameters is missing and that's why the server refuses the client
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| 17:23 | <servercbe> ok... do what you need to do please...
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> servercbe: please be a little patient, me and the other dev, Phantomas, is investigating the output, but the weird part is that it looks fine...!!!
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| 17:32 | <servercbe> ok..
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| 17:32 | no problem
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> servercbe: ok, found it, it was an older bug which has been solved
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| 17:43 | The weird thing is why you don't have it now, I thought the fix was backported in Ubuntu Precise
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| 17:43 | I'll check what went wrong with the ubuntu backport
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| 17:43 | Let me fix it manually now for you...
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| 17:46 | servercbe: can you see the client in the server epoptes now?
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| 17:47 | <Phantomas> hehe
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| 17:48 | * alkisg is still connected via socat though... ! | |
| 17:48 | <alkisg> The bug was this one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/324
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| 17:48 | So yeah, that didn't make it to precise, even with the backports
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| 17:49 | It happens when the server has 2 vga cards. I wonder why it worked for him before.
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| 17:49 | <Phantomas> alkisg: I know it was this, but why it didn't make it to precise?
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> The last backport to precise was 0.5.5
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| 17:50 | <Phantomas> maybe he added a vga later
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/e/epoptes/epoptes_0.5.5-0ubuntu0.1/changelog
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| 17:50 | Or maybe a kernel update saw its second vga
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| 17:50 | Or he enabled it in the BIOS, whatever
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| 17:53 | <servercbe> sorry!!! I dont know what happend again.. my computer was frozen!!!
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| 17:53 | <Phantomas> alkisg: Do you think that we should list the additional VGAs/NICs and mark the used one?
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| 17:53 | <servercbe> Thanks for all what you've done
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| 17:53 | alkisg
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| 17:54 | <Phantomas> servercbe: btw, have you recently added or enabled in BIOS a second VGA?
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| 17:58 | <servercbe> hello alkisg?
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> servercbe: the problem was the 2 VGAs on the server, it was solved some months ago
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| 17:58 | But the solution didn't go to Ubuntu 12.04, it's only in Ubuntu 12.10 and in our PPA
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| 17:58 | I fixed it manually for you so it's fine now
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| 17:59 | <servercbe> mmm... sorry... I dont know why I dont see it again...
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> Did you restart the thin client?
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| 17:59 | <servercbe> yes
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> Heh. OK let's check again.
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| 17:59 | <servercbe> ok...please
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> server: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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| 18:00 | client: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 18:03 | <servercbe> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S r
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| 18:03 | <serverterminal> "sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S r
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| 18:03 | <servercbe> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 18:04 | <serverterminal> socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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| 18:04 | done
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> serverterminal: hehe, it looks like you have 2 problems
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| 18:05 | One was the VGA, ok, fixed
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| 18:05 | And now we hit the other problem with the Empty MAC that you saw the first time!
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| 18:05 | OK, let's fix that one too
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| 18:07 | serverterminal: the problem is that you have 2 default routes
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| 18:07 | I'm not sure if that network configuration is considered valid
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| 18:07 | Let me fix it in epoptes-client... I'll need you to enter the pass again
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| 18:08 | <servercbe> oik
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> servercbe: does it work now?
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| 18:10 | <servercbe> I cant use both vga card at the same time!. can you helpme?
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> servercbe: err I don't understand, is that another issue? Is epoptes OK now?
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| 18:11 | <servercbe> it is running
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 18:11 | <servercbe> I will restart.. wait..
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| 18:25 | <servercbe> hello... Epoptes works!!!!
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| 18:26 | can you help me to work with the two video card?
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll commit the fix about the 2 default routes upstream
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| 18:26 | About the 2 video cards, try asking in the #ubuntu channel
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| 18:27 | <vagrantc> multiple routes... fancy.
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| 18:43 | <servercbe> ok...thanks...
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> i've seen multiple routes configurations on a firewall... but an individual thin client level?
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> It's on the server, possibly to prefer one connection over the other, when both of them are available at the same time
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| 18:54 | <servercbe> yes
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> servercbe: unrelated tip: if you install epoptes-client on the chroot, you'll be able to control the clients even before they login, check epoptes.org/installation for details.
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| 21:13 | <stgraber> alkisg: (assuming you'll read the log). Why was commit r2382 needed? looking at the jetpipe code, it's supposed to daemonize when not called with -d, is that broken?
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| 21:13 | mgariepy: ^
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