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Channel log from 19 May 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:55 | <Goxa> I have Ubuntu 9.04 with ltsp and works great. I tried with all other versions of Ubuntu 9.10-11.04 but always I have the same problem. Instalation goes well but when I try to boot client its stops after loading kernel image. I think when he tryst to go to graphic mode. Help please! Its the same setting as in 9.04 but just dont work !
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| 08:59 | <Goxa> I tried with Debian 6 but its the same
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| 09:02 | <abeehc> what are the steps you used to install? there's not enough information in what' youve mentioned to even guess what's going on
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| 09:03 | I have the opposite experience, following these install instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: if you put a .dsc for ldm-themes somewhere, i might be able to upload on my lunch break
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| 14:07 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: is that ok? http://jonathancarter.org/files/debian/
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: 0.01, eh?
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| 14:10 | <highvoltage> hmm, good question
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| 14:11 | it's a native package and the first rough cut. it's valid isn't it?
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> it's valid. although may as well be 0.1
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| 14:13 | the extra 0 doesn't gain much
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| 14:13 | just a minor style preference
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| 14:14 | <highvoltage> indeed
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| 14:14 | * highvoltage changes it | |
| 14:15 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: updated :)
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: mind if i add myself to uploaders?
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| 14:19 | highvoltage: or if we should make it Maintained by pkg-ltsp-devel
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| 14:21 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: not at all, and yes, that would be good
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> apparently, the gtk2-engines-murrine maintainer and i have a difference of opinion over weather it should recommend murrine-themes ... :(
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| 14:28 | http://bugs.debian.org/623783
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| 14:34 | <highvoltage> hmm, for some reason I thought I removed that dependency
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| 14:37 | vagrantc: ah, I vaguely remember us discussing this, wasn't the conclusion that it's enought to move gtk2-engine-murrine to recommends?
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: that's fine
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| 14:41 | highvoltage: just would prefer the gtk2-engines-murrine maintainer to agree with me and change that recommendation :)
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| 14:41 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: yeah,
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| 14:41 | s/,/./g
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: too much tasty food to upload during this lunch break :)
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| 14:44 | <highvoltage> doesn't entirely sounds like a bad thing :)
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| 15:05 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: so you can do it after lunch right? :)
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| 15:23 | <dubkat> so here's a question, and id prefer this didn't turn into a "my distro is better than your distro" arguement
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| 15:24 | but i have 10 thin term's to setup (perferably by monday)
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| 15:24 | my distro of choice for many years has been Gentoo (and gentoo hardened, when appropriate)
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| 15:25 | i see there's an LTSP overlay, but if it's completly unstable it wont be much use to me
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| 15:26 | i "grew up" on redhat, and i suppose in a pinch i could use Fedora or Centos and find my way around ok... but id like to stay with Gentoo
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| 15:26 | input from others would be apprciated
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| 15:27 | i guess all i want to hear is that "it can be done"
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| 15:28 | <highvoltage> well...
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| 15:28 | (without starting a distro war)
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| 15:28 | you're better off with something debian-based imho. ubuntu has great ltsp support
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| 15:29 | <dubkat> thats what i hear, but that would require me learning how yet another distro does their thing... since they all have their own qurks
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| 15:29 | <highvoltage> not because of any religious reasons or anything weird, but merely on the amount of packages (and more importantly, quality of packages) available
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| 15:29 | they do indeed, but it's an investment, not a waste of time
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| 15:29 | <dubkat> i don't suppose there's a "hardened" variety of ubuntu?
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| 15:30 | <highvoltage> ubuntu has hardening built-in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
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| 15:30 | <dubkat> i think ive heard ubuntu uses pax?
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| 15:31 | <highvoltage> you can optionally secure more post-installation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security
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| 15:31 | pax?
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| 15:31 | this one? http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/pax
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| 15:32 | <dubkat> no
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| 15:32 | this...
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| 15:32 | http://pax.grsecurity.net/
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| 15:33 | basicly, stack smash protections, etc
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| 15:34 | its not really a requirement, just on my wishlist
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| 15:35 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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| 15:36 | <highvoltage> dubkat: paxtest and pax-utils from that page is packaged at least, so it's there at least
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| 15:37 | <dubkat> is there an LTSP for dummies page? :)
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| 15:37 | i only have a vague understanding of how this will all work, normally i would just tinker till "it worked" but i'm kind of on a time limit
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| 15:41 | <highvoltage> dubkat: for ubuntu?
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| 15:41 | <dubkat> ya
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| 15:41 | <highvoltage> this is probably the easiest way: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 15:42 | <dubkat> thank you
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| 15:42 | <highvoltage> if you want something even quicker and easier you can do it from an edubuntu disc too, but I assume you don't want all of edubuntu either :)
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| 15:43 | (well, now that I think of it the new edubuntu installer gives you a choice to unselect some things in the installer)
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| 15:44 | <dubkat> what i have pictured in my mind, is my remote office of ~10 people making phone calls (its a call center), editing spredsheets (i make people use LibreOffice when i can, even on winblows)
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| 15:45 | so, they only need the basics, i might... if everything seems stable enough, enable them to listen to music or whatever
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| 15:46 | oh. ubuntu has a built in ltsp installer
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| 15:46 | well you just sold me i think
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| 16:00 | thanks for your help guys
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| 16:08 | <highvoltage> you're welcome
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| 16:12 | <dubkat> oh, i want 10.04, right? not 11.04
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| 16:12 | <highvoltage> I have a rule: newer is always better!
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| 16:13 | (but maybe you do want 10.04)
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| 16:13 | <dubkat> well, i would agree, i'm a bleeding-edge kinda guy (i do use gentoo after all!) but i thought 10.04 was the LTSP stable version of ubuntu
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| 16:13 | if i'm wrong, then by all means
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| 16:15 | <highvoltage> LTS != LTSP
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| 16:15 | <dubkat> rutroe
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| 16:15 | now i'm confused
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> lts = long term support
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| 16:15 | <highvoltage> LTS = Long Term Support
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| 16:15 | LTSP = Linux Terminal Server Project
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| 16:16 | LTSP works fine in all Ubuntu versions
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| 16:16 | <dubkat> ooh, i didn't know thats what the LTS stood for :)
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| 16:16 | ok, then let me ask this (im sorry if this is the wrong chan for all these questions)
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| 16:16 | one of the reasons i moved away from RH was i was sick of "upgrading" and the nightmare that always ensued
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| 16:16 | how hard is it to upgrade from one version of ubuntu, to another?
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| 16:17 | <vagrantc> if you want smooth upgrades, try debian
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| 16:17 | <dubkat> typical nightmares??
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| 16:17 | <highvoltage> ah, then LTS is probably good, since it's supported for 3 years on the desktop and 5 years on the server
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| 16:17 | * dubkat facepalms | |
| 16:17 | <highvoltage> dubkat: you can also upgrade quite easily from one LTS release to another (they're released every 2 years) and quite easy to upgrade
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| 16:18 | <dubkat> what does ubuntu have that debian doesnt? (besides hype and marketting)
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> artwork!
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| 16:18 | <dubkat> haha
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> and a large userbase
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| 16:18 | <highvoltage> dubkat: if you're willing to configure things yourself then debian is great
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| 16:18 | <vagrantc> it's also debateably more integrated
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| 16:19 | <dubkat> ubuntu?
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| 16:19 | <highvoltage> dubkat: it has some more steps if you want to set up ltsp, for instance.
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| 16:19 | <dubkat> i'll stick with ub
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| 16:19 | <vagrantc> sometimes debian is a little rough around the edges ... ubuntu typically only has one default way of doing things
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| 16:19 | highvoltage: or less steps, depending on how you look at it
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| 16:19 | <highvoltage> dubkat: I guess you could try both for a week and decide for yourself, but if you're not used to debian yet then I usually suggest Ubuntu. it eases you into it a bit more.
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| 16:19 | <dubkat> but LTS versions, as i understand don't include new software, right?
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| 16:20 | ie, FF4
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| 16:20 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: I suppose.
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| 16:20 | dubkat: right, but there are backports for them
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| 16:20 | <dubkat> so, giving my users firefox 4 and the newest LibO shouldn't be too difficult?
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| 16:20 | <highvoltage> you don't get it automatically and if it's not in backports you can get it from a PPA usually
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| 16:21 | <dubkat> PPA? i assume that's the ubuntu name for a repo?
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| 16:21 | <highvoltage> nopeI hate linking to omgubuntu... but...
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| 16:21 | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/new-ppa-makes-installing-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-easy/
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| 16:21 | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/firefox-4-ppa-for-ubuntu-10-04-and-10-10-users/
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| 16:21 | PPA = personal package archive
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| 16:22 | so yes, a repo
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| 16:22 | <dubkat> aah, thanks
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| 16:22 | another Q
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| 16:22 | i'm a KDE user, is KDE too bloated for a thin client?
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| 16:23 | <highvoltage> not so much a question of bloat as how much get rendered in software over the network
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| 16:23 | <dubkat> all but one of these people will be likely new to linux
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| 16:24 | <highvoltage> if you use the compiz window manager you get great performance since your windows just become vectors that are sent over the network. with kwin it becomes lots and lots of images and can become quite slow
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| 16:24 | <dubkat> compiz on a thin client!?
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| 16:24 | it will work?
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| 16:25 | ill worry about bells and whistles later
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| 16:25 | what about gnome?
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| 16:25 | <highvoltage> yep, usually compiz + gnome is a good combination
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| 16:25 | <dubkat> intresting
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| 16:26 | (i hate kde's effects, compiz is so much smoother)
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| 16:26 | which sadly, is currently broken on my desktop
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| 16:31 | just to make sure i'm not making a mistake here
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| 16:32 | dispite the fact i'm installing this on a server, i want the DESKTOP version, correct?
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> correct
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| 16:33 | it is essentially a desktop server.
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| 16:34 | <dubkat> ok
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> the service it provides is desktops, so you need all the desktop software
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| 20:49 | <dubkat> just got back from the office (at 11:48pm). installed Ubuntu 11.04 on the server. tomorrow, i'll do the ltsp setup
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| 20:49 | thanks for your advice guys
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> highvoltage: you signed up for pkg-ltsp-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org?
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| 21:31 | highvoltage: uploaded ldm-themes 0.1
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| 21:31 | highvoltage: only changes i made were the maintainer/uploader fields
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