IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:09 | <m_pahlevanzadeh> hi
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| 02:10 | i wanna know to LTSP5 needs to wireless modules? or it can handle wireless?
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| 02:12 | <Q-FUNK> m_pahlevanzadeh: no, since you would need wireless support to be enabled before you load the bootstrap from the chroot.
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| 02:15 | <sep> m_pahlevanzadeh, you can use pxe nic's thru a wireless ethernet converter, but it's usualy not worth the cost. money better spent on cables
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| 03:13 | <m_pahlevanzadeh> can i get source code of LTSP?
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| 03:32 | <sep> m_pahlevanzadeh, http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Devel contains a list of the various braches
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| 03:34 | <m_pahlevanzadeh> sep, ty
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| 04:11 | <daya> ogra, hi
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| 07:36 | <BlueRaid> hi
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| 07:39 | <_EXP> how you can change terminal login screen in ubuntu 7.04 + ltsp5
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| 07:40 | <BlueRaid> I'm very worride about my ltspclients, when i boot the client the it says nfsmount nedd a path, but a few line higer he say rootpath: 10.1.1.5:/opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:40 | <_EXP> take away 10.1.1.5
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| 07:40 | <BlueRaid> ok
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| 07:40 | <_EXP> try just /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 07:41 | <BlueRaid> today i updated to ltsp5 ...
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| 07:41 | <_EXP> Me 2
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| 07:41 | had same problem
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| 07:41 | <BlueRaid> ^^
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| 07:42 | <_EXP> much easier to use than 4.2
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| 07:42 | <ogra> _EXP, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
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| 07:45 | <BlueRaid> arg
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| 07:45 | <_EXP> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
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| 07:47 | how you change the language in login screen?
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| 07:47 | <ogra> you cant, thats a feature ldm2 (gutsy 7.10) solves ...
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| 07:48 | you can hack up the code though, old ldm is trivial python code
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| 07:48 | <_EXP> that is a small problem... no need to fix
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| 07:49 | <ogra> if you want to look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk
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| 07:50 | change "Username" and "Password" to whatever you want :)
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| 07:50 | <BlueRaid> is anewher a doc about the lts.con in ltsp5
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| 07:50 | ?
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| 07:51 | *y
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| 07:51 | <ogra> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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| 07:51 | have a look in there
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| 07:51 | <BlueRaid> ok thanks
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| 07:51 | <ogra> its mainly not needed
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| 07:52 | only if you want to override autodetected things or want to tweak it a bit you should use it
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| 07:52 | general operation should work without it
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| 07:53 | <BlueRaid> oh first i must safe our netbootfloppys
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| 07:53 | and i feel better when i make somethink in the configs ;-)
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| 07:54 | <ogra> you can indeed, but there is no need anymore with ltsp5 :)
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| 07:55 | <BlueRaid> ^^
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| 07:56 | <_EXP> thx... Got it now... Making a ltsp server to kids aged 6-12, and they start learning english at 3rd grade
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| 07:57 | <BlueRaid> _EXP: and when the kids are older they can come to me ^^ from 10 to 18years
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| 07:57 | mh must i use the macaddres or can i use the hostname, too?
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| 07:58 | <ogra> you can use the hostname but need a working dns etc ... i'd go with the MAC, its way way easier to maintain
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| 07:58 | <EXP2> i already made a server based on 6.06 and 4.2... but this server has newer HW so it won't work on 6.06 ubuntu
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| 07:59 | <BlueRaid> ah ok then i can copy my localprinter config, so i must edit all 15 printerconfigs
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| 08:00 | msg EXP2 with sparc64 it is funny,too
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| 08:01 | <BlueRaid> give it screenscripts?
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| 08:10 | args
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| 08:13 | why the client don't connect to the server? I saw a localgdm
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| 08:13 | <ogra> you mean ldm ?
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| 08:14 | <BlueRaid> ldm?
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| 08:14 | a local gdm
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| 08:14 | i think
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| 08:14 | <ogra> the ltsp login manager
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| 08:14 | <BlueRaid> ah..
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| 08:14 | <ogra> thats the defrault if you didnt fiddle in lts.conf
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| 08:15 | <BlueRaid> ah and waht does the ldm?
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| 08:21 | <ogra> it cares for your login ... establishes an ssh tunnel and runs the desktop session on the server.... its also responsible for setting up sound and local devices
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| 08:28 | <BlueRaid> what is the sdm?
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| 08:29 | <ogra> a set of xdialog scripts that does similar things like ldm WRT ssh ...
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| 08:29 | (but no sound setup or localdev support)
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| 08:31 | <BlueRaid> ah ok.... and the ldm is a frontend to login in the system, start somethink like a skript and tehn connect to the server?
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| 08:37 | <EXP2> how you can change default screen resolution of client? http://pastebin.com/d65b41b21, wont work
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| 08:38 | <trondm> does anyone know a command to list users logged in on ltsp5? On ltsp4.2 I did 'last | grep "still"'
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| 08:39 | <BlueRaid> trondm: w?
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| 08:39 | <EXP2> trondm, what distro?
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| 08:39 | <trondm> w and who returns nothing
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| 08:39 | Its Debian Stable (Etch)
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| 08:40 | <BlueRaid> ps aux | grep klipper
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| 08:40 | <EXP2> have you tried thin client manager? i have it with ubuntu
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| 08:41 | <BlueRaid> or some on else what the clients start automatical and only one
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| 08:41 | <trondm> that works, but it does not return which terminal the user is at.
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| 08:42 | <BlueRaid> add --tty
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| 08:44 | <trondm> add --tty... how?
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| 08:44 | <BlueRaid> ps aux --tty | grep klipper
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| 08:44 | <trondm> returns: ERROR: List of ttys must follow --tty.
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| 08:45 | something is supposed to follow tty?
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| 08:46 | I did this:
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| 08:46 | ps aux --tty 0 | grep klipper | grep -v root
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| 08:46 | and I get a list of users, but not the name/ip of their terminal
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| 08:46 | <ogra> ps aux|grep "bash -c LTSP_CLIENT"|grep -v grep|cut -d' ' -f1
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| 08:47 | <trondm> We have 900 terminals on 8 schools, and I would like to see who is logged in where
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| 08:47 | <ogra> should work
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| 08:47 | <BlueRaid> trondm: what have you for servers?
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| 08:47 | <trondm> hm?
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| 08:47 | ogra: returns nothing here
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| 08:47 | blank
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| 08:47 | <BlueRaid> how many server use you? What prossesor? how many RAM?
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| 08:47 | <trondm> 10 servers
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| 08:48 | <savetheWorld> trondm: the rwho command can help with that.
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| 08:48 | <ogra> trondm, sorry im on gutsy ... grep for LTSP_CLIENT and bash that sould gain you anything
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| 08:48 | (the command of ldm changed between gutsy and feisty)
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| 08:48 | <trondm> I am on DebianEdu 3.0 if that means anything
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| 08:48 | <ogra> thats etch based, right
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| 08:48 | <trondm> yes
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| 08:49 | <ogra> so it has the same ltsp version as ubuntu edgy ... hmm
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| 08:49 | <trondm> ok, rwho also returns the username, but I want the terminalname or ip aswell
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| 08:49 | <ogra> ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "env LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep
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| 08:50 | thats what student-control-panel used back then
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| 08:50 | <trondm> it returns nothing here
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| 08:50 | <ogra> well ...
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| 08:50 | no idea what debian changed on that code
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| 08:51 | its quite old (over a year)
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| 08:51 | best is you wait for vagrantc, he ports it from ubuntu
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| 08:52 | i wouldnt know about any changes he made to ldm in that release though
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| 08:53 | <trondm> I tried this:
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| 08:53 | ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep
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| 08:53 | and it returns a lot, several lines
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| 08:53 | <ogra> right
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| 08:53 | <trondm> can I paste the output somewhere for you to see?
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| 08:53 | <ogra> so you have the master processes for all your users ...
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| 08:54 | <trondm> It returns 7 lines og info. There is one user logged in...
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| 08:54 | <ogra> hmm
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| 08:55 | <trondm> Can I paste the seven lines here? Perhaps you can see what to grep out?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> put an u in the eaxww
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| 08:55 | !pastebin
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| 08:55 | <ltspbot`> ogra: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 08:55 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 08:55 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:55 | <ogra> bah
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| 08:56 | <ltsppbot> "trondm" pasted "kk-sk-ts4C:/# ps eaxww|grep "b" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/248
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| 08:56 | <trondm> there
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| 08:56 | can you see it?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> thats one line ;)
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| 08:57 | you terminal wrapped it
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| 08:57 | <trondm> oh
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| 08:57 | can you make anything out?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> if you add the u you get the username as prefix
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| 08:58 | ps eauxww
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| 08:58 | <trondm> yes then the username comes first, followed by a lot more
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| 08:58 | <ogra> right
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| 08:58 | <BlueRaid> mh can i isntall cups local so that i mustn't use lp_server?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> ESPEAKER or PULSE_SERVER hold the ip of th client
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| 08:59 | (or SSH_CONNECTION)
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| 09:00 | <trondm> can you make another oneliner for me? That returns username + ipadress?
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| 09:02 | <ogra> thats hard to do without having the same setup here
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| 09:02 | <trondm> ok
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| 09:02 | <ogra> appending |cut -d' ' -f1 will give you the username
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| 09:02 | <mattwalston> Anyone know if portmapper is needed? Fedora 7 does not provide it.
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| 09:02 | <ogra> mattwalston, depends what you want to do :)
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| 09:03 | <mattwalston> ogra: get ltsp working
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| 09:03 | ogra: I have no other need for nfs
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| 09:04 | <ogra> mattwalston, ltsp mounts with nolock (i hope thats true for 4.2 as well) so you shouldnt need portmap
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| 09:05 | trondm, ps eaxww|grep "bash --login -c"|grep "LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep|cut -d'=' -f4|cut -d':' -f1
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| 09:05 | for the IP
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| 09:05 | <mattwalston> ogra: not sure, i know 4.2 fails to mount root directory and I can mount it on another fedora client
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| 09:11 | <mattwalston> I thought I would try ltsp-5
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| 09:11 | but the ltsp-update-sshkeys fails
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| 09:11 | any ideas?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> fails ?
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| 09:12 | how ?
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| 09:12 | <mattwalston> /usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 5: ip: command not found
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| 09:12 | /usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 6: tempfile: command not found
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| 09:12 | /usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 21: $output: ambiguous redirect
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| 09:12 | logger: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory.
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| 09:12 | /usr/local/bin/ltsp-update-sshkeys: line 21: $output: ambiguous redirect
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| 09:12 | logger: /var/log/syslog: No such file or directory.
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| 09:12 | Setting up ssh_known_hosts in:
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| 09:12 | /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386
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| 09:12 | install: missing destination file operand after `/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts'
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| 09:12 | Try `install --help' for more information.
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| 09:13 | <ogra> please use a pastebot (see topic) next time
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| 09:13 | <mattwalston> oh, sorry
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| 09:13 | <ogra> well indeed
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| 09:13 | <ogra> there is no ltsp-update-sshkeys for redhat yet
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| 09:13 | <mattwalston> ogra: oh, is their a way around that?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> well first i'd install all the missing binaries
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| 09:14 | ip and tempfile
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| 09:14 | logger (syslog)
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| 09:14 | * gvy contemplates $topic with another case of more or less excellent integration :-) | |
| 09:14 | <mattwalston> does ltsp require syslog?
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| 09:14 | <gvy> ogra, would that be very shameless plug or should you or someone first check the facts? :)
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| 09:14 | <ogra> logger at least
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| 09:15 | <mattwalston> no package provides ip in fedora
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| 09:15 | <ogra> gvy, no idea i'm not the one setting the topic :)
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| 09:15 | mattwalston, thats a basic linux command there should be some package
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| 09:16 | in ubuntu its in the iprouute package
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| 09:16 | <gvy> ogra, hm, thanks; maybe will catch some op some day
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| 09:16 | <mattwalston> ogra: ip and tempfile exist, just not in normal user path, a su - fixes that part
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| 09:17 | <ogra> mattwalston, oh, roight, indeed you need to be admin to even write to the client root :)
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| 09:17 | <mattwalston> How do I use the pastebot?
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| 09:18 | <ogra> !pastebin
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| 09:18 | <ltspbot`> ogra: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 09:18 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> (i'll never learn it)
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 09:18 | <ogra> pong
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| 09:19 | what did you break again ?
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> gutentag - I have an older version of the configure-x.sh that doesnt implement the sync range stuff. did you ever get around to coding that in the newer version?
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| 09:20 | and, I don't break things :)
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| 09:20 | <mattwalston> is their someway to make ltsp-5 work w/o ssh keys?
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> mattwalston: edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config and set "StrictHostKeyChecking no"
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| 09:21 | <mattwalston> thanks
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> but, then you are less secure
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| 09:21 | <mattwalston> Gadi: right now I have major down time and the network is trusted
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| 09:22 | <ogra> Gadi, let me check
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> just letting you know - with great power comes great responsibility, spidey ;)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> nope, not yet
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> ok. I will mod up the script itself and send you patches ;)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> you can use X_MODE now though ;)
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| 09:23 | thanks
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| 09:23 | note that it might be that Xorg has put values in, even thats not the common case
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> hmm... has it changed since 5.0.21?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> nope
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> ok, so I can mod this copy
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| 09:23 | thx
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| 09:24 | <ogra> .22 has only some nbdroot fixes from MrMoo and scotts new ldm
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| 09:24 | <mattwalston> What does nfsmount: need a path mean?
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> you need to specify root-path in dhcpd.conf
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| 09:24 | <ogra> mattwalston, that tere is a bug in debian/ubuntu initramfs :)
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> doh
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| 09:25 | <mattwalston> ogra: any fix?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> if you have the ip and a colon in the root-path variable it breaks
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| 09:25 | drop ip and colon
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| 09:25 | <mattwalston> oh ok
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| 09:26 | <ogra> also make sure /etc/X11/Xsession exists ... thast what ldm wants to execute by default
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| 09:26 | (you can make it a link to gnome-session or startkde or whatever, i think redhat doesnt have that script)
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| 09:30 | <mattwalston> wow, new nfs error... NFS over TCP not available from ${IP}
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| 09:32 | <_EXP> how you can disable terminal floppy drive in ltsp 5?
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| 09:35 | <mattwalston> simple question? can I install ltsp on another machine than the one I wish to connect to?
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| 09:41 | <_EXP> because when usb USB stick it reads first from floppy, this is annoying....
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| 09:43 | <_EXP> any suggestions?
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| 10:03 | <BlueRaid> mattwalston why you don't install portmapper?
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| 12:10 | <BlueRaid> where i can finde the ltspfsd source?
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| 12:12 | ltspfs
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| 12:35 | <Guaraldo> Gadi... are you here???
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| 12:35 | Are you among us, Gadi???
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| 12:38 | I have a VIA VGA compatible controller (lspci -n = 1106:3344) witch I'd like to work on ltsp 4.2... Last time I told you about that you send me a driver compilation to use... It did'nt work... :-( What can I do?
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| 12:43 | <monteslu> it's a revolt on the k12ltsp mailing list...
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| 12:43 | eric, please come back
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| 12:44 | now's your chance to pimp ubuntu, ogra
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| 13:39 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: could you pull mkelfimage 2.7-3 into the archive? automated syncs are already disabled and time is running short before tribe-4.
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| 13:44 | hm... did sbalneav go on vacation?
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| 15:25 | <mattwalston> My terminal just returns me to the login screen, no error, no nothing, how should I start troubleshooting?
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> mattwalston: what linux distro ?
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| 15:26 | <mattwalston> ubuntu 7.04
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> try running ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> and then logging in again
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| 15:27 | <ogra> vagrantc, how is your ldm quest going ?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: haven't even tried yet
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| 15:27 | ogra: too busy killing lessdisks
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| 15:27 | <ogra> still
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| 15:27 | <mattwalston> vagrantc: no luck
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| 15:27 | <ogra> ppor guy
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| 15:27 | *poor
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| 15:28 | mattwalston, then check ~/.xsession-errors of this user
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| 15:28 | do you happen to have sabayon installed ?
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| 15:28 | <mattwalston> ogra: negative
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| 15:28 | <ogra> so check the error log
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| 15:29 | see if the login attempt gets through the ldogin manager stage
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| 15:29 | *login
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| 15:30 | "Xsession: X session started for ogra2 at Di 31. Jul 17:44:56 CEST 2007" .... you should at least see something like this
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| 15:30 | <mattwalston> ogra: lot's of alsa errors
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| 15:31 | <mattwalston> ogra: none of the auth protocols are supported and host based auth failed
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| 15:32 | ogra: how do I use gdm instead of ldm again? I would like to use the chooser anyways
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| 15:33 | <ogra> you will loose sound and localdevice support ...
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| 15:33 | but you can set SCREEN_07=startx
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| 15:33 | (in lts.conf)
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| 15:33 | <mattwalston> ogra: oh, than I guess I better try and make things work
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> mattwalston: can you log into the machine with ssh ?
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| 15:35 | <mattwalston> vagrantc: oops, actually no
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| 15:35 | <ogra> ah, thats the prob then
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> we need to make a step by step guide one of these days
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| 15:36 | like the checklist for localdev in ltsp 4.2
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| 15:36 | <ogra> yup
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| 15:36 | but rather a general FAQ
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> how about 13 different FAQs with conflicting information?
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| 15:37 | <ogra> i wonder if i should add a recommends for ubuntu-desktop|kubuntu-desktop ... etc to ltsp-server-standalone
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> definitely.
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| 15:37 | <ogra> lets make that 20 rather, nice round number :)
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| 15:40 | <mattwalston> I am curious, what is the most demanded features on the agenda for ltsp? I know for me it would be packaging with additional distros
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| 15:40 | <ogra> fat clients
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| 15:41 | and localapps
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| 15:41 | the packaging is up to the distros
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| 15:41 | <mattwalston> oh i see
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| 15:41 | <ogra> some have made some efforts ... but none have succeeded yet
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> although, doesn't gnome-desktop install network mangler ?
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| 15:41 | <mattwalston> yeah, I have noticed
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> not sure you want that on a server
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| 15:42 | <ogra> vagrantc, in ubuntu it wont touch any interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces
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| 15:42 | so if you define a static ip for one interface NM is fine
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| 15:42 | if you only have one ... you loose
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:43 | <ogra> i run NM on my laptop which i use as ltsp server
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| 15:43 | <ogra> ts great for wireless
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| 15:43 | <joebaker> Yes network-manager is very helpful for wireless!
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| 15:44 | <Lumiere> except NM seems to have issues with my wired net
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| 15:45 | <joebaker> NM has lots of issues, but it's getting better with each distro release.
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| 15:45 | For the wired network problem just select the connection again, it will reset and reconnect. lumiere
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| 15:57 | <mattwalston> by the way, what causes the black blocks under the mouse every now and then?
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| 15:57 | <jammcq> those are turds
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| 16:00 | <mattwalston> well the boss was asking why the mouse was leaving him presents across the screen
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> mattwalston: do you know what video driver?
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| 16:04 | <mattwalston> Gadi: not really, thinking... some via thing
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> heh... well, in the olden days of LTSP <5, you could set a device option for the driver to use a software cursor
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| 16:05 | which I believe alleviates the turds
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| 16:05 | iirc
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| 16:05 | <ogra> you can use a static xorg.conf
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| 16:06 | <mattwalston> thanks
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> right
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| 16:06 | these days, you can go static
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| 16:06 | and point the client to a static xorg.conf
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| 16:06 | but, iirc, you want a SWCursor
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| 16:07 | * ogra remembers some via's needed VideoRam set | |
| 16:07 | <mattwalston> oh ok
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| 16:07 | how would one find out the graphics chipset on the client?
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| 16:08 | <Lumiere> joebaker: my wired network greys out
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| 16:08 | if I disconnect it
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| 16:08 | until I reboot
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> ask it nicely. or, set: SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_02=shell, reboot, hit ctrl-alt-f2, and type: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 16:09 | <ogra> mattwalston, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> or that
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| 16:09 | <ogra> mattwalston, give your users PW and set a root pw on the client with the next two questions
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| 16:10 | <mattwalston> done, now login how?
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> ctrl-alt-f1
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| 16:11 | <ogra> boot a client and swithc to console (ctrl-alt-f1)
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| 16:12 | then log in as root with the pw you just set
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| 16:13 | <mattwalston> wow, they spared no expense
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| 16:14 | Via Technologies, Inc. VT8623 Apollo CastleRock graphics
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| 16:15 | <ogra> and if you grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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| 16:15 | is via used as well ?
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| 16:18 | <mattwalston> ogra: yes
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| 16:18 | <ogra> so ...
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| 16:19 | scp /etc/X11/xorg.conf <user>@server:/tmp/
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| 16:19 | replace <user> with a user that can log in to the server
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| 16:20 | answer yes if ssh wants to verify the key ad give the password
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| 16:20 | then log out again
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| 16:21 | <mattwalston> ok
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| 16:22 | <ogra> go back to the server, copy the file from /tmp to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg-via.conf or so ...
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| 16:22 | <mattwalston> oh ok, I see
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| 16:23 | <ogra> then add XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg-via.conf to yout lts.conf
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| 16:23 | <ogra> *your
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| 16:23 | now you can make changes as you like
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| 16:24 | to make sure you only use it on that specific client you can add a section for it based on the MAC address
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| 16:24 | see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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| 16:26 | <mattwalston> on another note, is their any facility like in the nt terminal services manager to kill client sessions, take control, shadow, and see logged in users?
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| 16:27 | <ogra> for (ed,k,x)ubuntu there is thin-client-maager (or for older releases student-control-panel)
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| 16:27 | *manager
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| 16:28 | <mattwalston> ogra: oh ok, i will look at it
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| 16:28 | i do not know if it is ltsp or the distros but I think the k12 focus does a disservice to the product
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| 16:29 | <ogra> well, its one area where ltsp is big
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| 16:30 | we got many if not most users in education
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| 16:30 | * ogra is slightly biased as the main developer of edubuntu :) | |
| 16:31 | <mattwalston> true but our deployment almost missed finding out about the project because we thought it was an all inclusive package that would take over a machine
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| 16:32 | * jammcq wonders how k12 could be a disservice to the product | |
| 16:32 | <whiprush> he's saying that because it's called "k12" that he probably just was like "oh, that doesn't mean it would be good for us, we're not k12"
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| 16:32 | <jammcq> what 'k12ltsp' ?
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| 16:33 | <mattwalston> exactly
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| 16:33 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 16:33 | you go "well, I'm a university, I guess this isn't for me."
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| 16:33 | or whatever
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| 16:33 | <jammcq> well, the focus for k12ltsp IS kindergarten through 12th grade
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| 16:33 | <ogra> thats why i still fight for the ubuntu ltsp server CD ;)
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| 16:33 | <whiprush> ogra: !! explain
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| 16:33 | <ogra> thats as neutral as can be
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| 16:33 | <whiprush> ah
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| 16:33 | right
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| 16:33 | that is a great idead
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> ubuntu ltsp server is definately what's needed
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| 16:34 | <ogra> whiprush, having the same integrated thing as edubuntu but with a default ubuntu desktop
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| 16:34 | <whiprush> it should be a task like the LAMP server or whatever
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| 16:34 | * jammcq thinks thin clients should just be there by default | |
| 16:34 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 16:34 | click button
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| 16:34 | like you do for samba shares
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| 16:34 | except share out desktops
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| 16:34 | <jammcq> you install ubuntu, and you can just plug thin clients in and be happy
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| 16:35 | <mattwalston> here is a thought...
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| 16:35 | instead of using diffrent media spins, what about developing package groups
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| 16:35 | <whiprush> yeah, that's what tasksel does
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| 16:35 | <mattwalston> use the same media for all, and have a bare option
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| 16:35 | <whiprush> right
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| 16:35 | <ogra> thats what we have atm, metapackages care for it ...
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| 16:36 | <monteslu> jammcq, so is ltsp4 not being worked on anymore?
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| 16:36 | <jammcq> pretty much
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| 16:36 | <ogra> monteslu, since two years :)
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| 16:36 | there was a kernel update some time though iirc
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| 16:36 | +ago
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| 16:37 | <monteslu> how hard is muekow to add to an existing distro compared to ltsp4 ?
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| 16:37 | <mattwalston> like today, I am on an adsl connection in bfe and had a desktop cd, i really just needed a bare minimum install, shell, editor and networking and their was no easy way
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| 16:37 | <ogra> monteslu, depends on your coding and packaging skills
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| 16:37 | <monteslu> coding is good, but packaging needs some work
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| 16:37 | <ogra> monteslu, most things to do for integration are changes to existing distro packages
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| 16:38 | the ltsp stuff itself is shell, python or latest addition C :)
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| 16:38 | <monteslu> but they could be placed into a repo as replacements right?
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| 16:38 | <ogra> that would defeat the muecow idea :)
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| 16:38 | the thing is all about maintenance
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| 16:38 | <monteslu> sure, but fedora isn't doing anything to make it happen
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| 16:39 | <ogra> keeping the workload for packages like Xorg or kernel in the distro
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| 16:39 | <monteslu> at least not that I've seen
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| 16:39 | <ogra> sad
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| 16:39 | <ogra> opensuse had some movement the recent times
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| 16:39 | but that seems to have fallen asleep again
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| 16:39 | <monteslu> and Eric has disappeard from the mailing list more than a month ago, so I don't even know how to help him integrate it
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| 16:40 | <whiprush_> eric lives, we just saw him at ubuntu live
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| 16:40 | <ogra> he wont do it he said when we met
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| 16:40 | <mattwalston> for the life of me, I don't get why fedora has made ltsp a priority, it is a big time missing feature
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| 16:40 | <ogra> he will do another release based on 4.2
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| 16:40 | <monteslu> he tired of packaging k12 ?
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| 16:40 | <whiprush_> mattwalston: indeed.
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| 16:40 | <ogra> no, just out of time
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| 16:40 | job keeping him busy etc
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| 16:40 | <monteslu> wish I could help him out somehow
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| 16:41 | <ogra> mail him
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| 16:41 | <monteslu> tried, just not directly :)
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| 16:41 | <ogra> i guess he reads his mail still :)
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| 16:41 | <monteslu> I suggested on the k12 list that maybe it would be easier if it was just a repo & scripts instead of a full distro, but was shot down
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| 16:42 | and I've got to start upgrading on monday, or I'm stuck on the old version
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| 16:43 | oh well... work calls. bbl
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| 19:53 | <LTSP> Hi. Does anyone have a good link to troubleshooting the local devices (primarily sound) for a Kubuntu 6.10 with LTSP post installed via command line apt-get (server openssh etc)? Basic LTSP has been working well since initiated last fall, I had tried a bunch of stuff but ended up giving up then (passed reference from this list regarding "wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices". Now the natives are restless and I need to re-look
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| 19:58 | <cliebow> LTSP: dont suppose you have time to wait f....or gutsy
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| 20:23 | <LTSP> cliebow: so the best fix is gutsy? What are the changes that make it more likely for client sound to work?
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| 20:53 | <dberkholz> heh. working on ltsp stuff again, can't remember where i was at last time i did it
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| 21:18 | <mistik1> dberkholz: howdy
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| 21:19 | It seems finding time to work on ltsp is more and more difficult
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| 21:28 | <dberkholz> his mistik1
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| 21:28 | hi*
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| 21:28 | mistik1: were you doing anything with those init scripts?
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| 21:29 | <mistik1> I think all I got done was the function to setup X
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| 21:29 | If you're ready to get started again let me know what is needed and i'll help with what I can
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| 21:29 | <dberkholz> i'm kinda working on ltsp-build-client
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| 21:30 | <mistik1> sec, taking a look
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| 21:31 | ok, so you're working on the portion to build the actual chroot?
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| 21:32 | Looking at what you had laid out so far there, I had one issue with the method of getting this done
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| 21:33 | <dberkholz> yeah
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| 21:33 | <mistik1> For one you assumed using packages built from the host system with quickpkg, well as someone who routinely uses an AMD64 system I see an inherent problem with doing it that way
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| 21:33 | <dberkholz> yes, that will need checks for cross-arch
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| 21:34 | haven't added those anywhere yet
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| 21:34 | <mistik1> have anything in mind?
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| 21:35 | <dberkholz> it shouldn't be terribly difficult to compare the server and client archs
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| 21:36 | <mistik1> yes that's dead easy, the question is what to do about it when the arch differs
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| 21:37 | <dberkholz> easy way out is don't use binaries
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| 21:37 | gentoo binpkgs have no way i'm aware of to easily check which arch they're built for
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| 21:37 | one of their shortcomings
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| 21:37 | <mistik1> I agree, it would also be a very gentoo way
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| 21:38 | <dberkholz> we might be able to pull in a stage3 or something
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| 21:38 | would be preferable to total build from source
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| 21:38 | <mistik1> dependency tracking is also a major issue with binpkgs
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| 21:39 | <dberkholz> care to expand on that?
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| 21:39 | <mistik1> Correct me if i'm wrong, I read in some documentation that binary package dont do dependency tracking and you have to know what you want to install
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| 21:40 | <dberkholz> that's incorrect
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| 21:40 | <mistik1> good to know
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| 21:40 | <dberkholz> binpkgs have the ebuild tagged on the end. portage snarps it off and parses it
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| 21:40 | <mistik1> hmm
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| 21:41 | I wonder
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| 21:41 | <dberkholz> if binpkgs didn't do dependency tracking, the whole networkless install wouldn't work because you couldn't do 'emerge -k gnome'
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| 21:42 | <mistik1> I must be thinking of something else, maybe ROOT= or something
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| 21:42 | I know I ran into some dependency issue and when tracking to find that doc I was talking about
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| 21:43 | Anyhow its nice to get that out my head ;-)
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| 21:43 | where were we, stage3.
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| 21:45 | I would definately agree with starting with a stage3, building the X deps will take a while however I dont see this as a challenge to a gentoo user.
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| 21:46 | <mistik1> With the whole MueKow idea being you can integrate with any distro, I dont see a ubuntu user opting to deploy ltsp on gentoo, so its a non issue
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| 21:48 | <mistik1> dberkholz: I built a rootfs here starting with a stage3 and built Xorg and most of what I think we'll need, I never got as far as booting it and play with the init scripts, but would you like a package list of what is in it so far?
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| 21:48 | <dberkholz> mistik1: sure.
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| 21:48 | <mistik1> sec
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| 21:49 | <dberkholz> mistik1: most useful would be stuff that isn't already in http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/Gentoo/010-bootstrap or http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/Gentoo/000-basic-configuration
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| 21:52 | <dberkholz> someone really needs to write an scm wrapper that just detects what kind of repo you're in and does the right thing
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| 21:52 | <ltsppbot> "mistik1" pasted "pkglist" (227 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/249
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| 21:52 | <dberkholz> i always type git or svn or something instead of bzr
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| 21:52 | mistik1: can you do your world file instead
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| 21:53 | <mistik1> sure
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| 21:54 | only 3 packages in the world file
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| 21:54 | <dberkholz> good
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| 21:55 | <mistik1> xorg-x11, portage-utils, and I like having eix around ;)
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| 21:55 | everything else is system
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| 21:59 | dberkholz: here is the relevent portions that I changed in the make.conf
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| 21:59 | USE="X -ipv6 sdl truetype esd alsa hal sndfile pulseaudio"
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| 21:59 | INPUT_DEVICES="evdev keyboard mouse vmmouse"
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| 21:59 | VIDEO_CARDS="nv radeon vesa chips cirrus cyrix fbdev i128 i740 i810 r128 s3 s3virge sis trident via vmware"
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| 22:39 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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