IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 March 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:06 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi - my usual evening question :D would you object to an _option_ for mounting the localapps (==fat client's) home dir with nfs instead of sshfs?
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| 00:07 | (having file-lock problems with evolution)
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> as long as it wasn't too crazy messy.
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| 00:13 | <alkisg> Thanks, I'll give it a try
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| 00:15 | <vagrantc> in general, i'm supportive of options. though i've started to see that too many options can get a bit burdensome on the codebase.
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| 00:19 | <alkisg> It'd be easier if each "plugin" was in its own file, called with different options (config, initialization etc) on client startup, similar to how it is with ltsp-build-client...
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| 00:46 | <alkisg> Hmmm setting CKCON_X11_DISPLAY_DEVICE in /etc/security/pam_env.conf seems like the least intrusive way to make are local sessions CK-enabled
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| 01:56 | <alkisg> Hrm I wonder how I could call a script from pam_env.conf, e.g. CKCON_X11_DISPLAY_DEVICE=$(/usr/lib/ConsoleKit/ck-get-x11-display-device)
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| 02:03 | <johnny> have you talked to the console kid people?
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| 02:07 | <alkisg> johnny: where's that? any irc rooms?
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| 02:07 | or is it #freedesktop?
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| 02:08 | <johnny> probably freedesktop
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| 02:08 | but don't they have a mailing list
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| 02:08 | or some other way to cross reference names to irc names :)
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| 02:08 | <alkisg> urm, I'll give it another shot, but I didn't get any responses the last 2 days there :)
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| 02:08 | <johnny> well try the mailing list
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| 04:09 | <alkisg> This makes fat client sessions work fine with consolekit, but it's a hack, can someone see a cleaner way? http://paste.ubuntu.com/393156/
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| 04:09 | CK is needed in order for PK to consider the current user as active, so that he can mount usb sticks etc
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| 04:14 | <nubae> hi folks
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| 04:14 | alkisg: u around?
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| 04:15 | <alkisg> nubae: yes - but i'll leave soon to get my daughter from the school
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| 04:15 | <nubae> ok, quick question, what do u think about this as a thin client: http://www.amazon.com/fit-PC-Slim-Linux/dp/B001L18ED2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1268302366&sr=8-9
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| 04:15 | check the specs... the only thing that worries me is the 500mhz geode processor
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| 04:16 | <alkisg> I'm not the right person to ask about hardware :)
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| 04:16 | I only use 10 year old pcs as thin clients... :)
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| 04:16 | <nubae> hehe, ok, but take a look anyhow
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| 04:17 | its 199$ so its really affordable, I'm thinking about buying these for my school... I'd need about 20 units, but would like to buy one to test... I'm worried about specs, which I think u can evaluate better than I at this point
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| 04:18 | oh and comes with ubuntu preinstalled
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| 04:18 | <alkisg> 100mbps ethernet? why not gigabit?
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| 04:19 | <nubae> maybe this is better? (same price): http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AspireRevo-AR1600-U910H-Desktop-Windows/dp/B002O3W44Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_2
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> BBL
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| 04:19 | <nubae> ok
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| 04:29 | <g4tsu> Hi
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| 04:29 | I've got a problem with LTSP and disabling ssh
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| 04:29 | I've add this line in lts.conf without success : LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 04:44 | <sep> define without success? it will still start a ssh for authentication, but X is run outside the ssh tunnel for performance. what did you exect should happen ?
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| 04:53 | <alkisg> nubae: the latter would make a good fat client...
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| 05:18 | <Comete> hello
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| 05:20 | how can i change the LDM background image ?
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| 06:07 | <nubae> alkisg: of course, they dont ship to Europe :-)
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| 06:07 | so forget that idea :-)
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| 06:07 | damn amazon...
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| 06:09 | I tried installing local apps in my thin client and now I get busybox prompt
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| 07:00 | <weenus> This falls under category wtf. I was having a problem with ltsp starting up until I followed your directions I got below and then it stopped working until I undid the instructions and put the path back to /opt/ltsp/i386 in the dhcpd.conf file http://pastie.org/864852 Just thought that I'd let you know.
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| 07:13 | <nubae> sigh... enabling binary drivers in the chroot seems to be a spectactular pain in the ass
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| 07:15 | I guess Im going to have to downgrade the chroot to Jaunty
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 07:30 | In Lucid it's even possible to install many binary drivers simultaneously
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| 07:34 | <anivair> I don't suppose anyone knows how to break a .gvfs directory?
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| 07:35 | I have users that can't log in when I use a Term 1220. the problem is with the .gvfs directory somehow
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| 07:35 | the users that CAN log in on them have a .gvfs directory that is somehow broken, though it may be intentional.
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| 07:36 | <anivair> the last time I got around it, i tried to log them into the main server and set up desktop effects. That errors out (because I don't have the drivers) and after, the directory is as follows:
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| 07:36 | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> Are you using localapps?
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| 07:37 | <anivair> I don't even know how to do that on purpose, let alone accidentally
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| 07:37 | I am for a few items (phones)
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> With SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false, any attempts to create symlinks on sshfs fail, and files like this get created instead
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| 07:38 | So I guess those files got created when the users tried to mount a usb stick etc
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| 07:38 | <anivair> where is that set? is it global?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> In lts.conf
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| 07:38 | <anivair> hrm ... pretty sure it's not set in there
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> It was the default setting for some time
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| 07:39 | <anivair> I see
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> You didn't have to set it manually...
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| 07:39 | distro/version?
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| 07:39 | <anivair> so it probzably got set for them in an older version
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| 07:39 | karmic ubuntu
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> I think it's the default in karmic
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| 07:39 | <anivair> but many users were migrated from older versions
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| 07:39 | what WAS happening is that he just couldn't log in
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| 07:40 | it'd just drop him back out to the login screen when it tried to create a display
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> ***i'm saying all this backwards - SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS should be *true* on karmic. It's now been reverted to false on Lucid.
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| 07:40 | <anivair> setting the .gvfs file to root ownership and 0 permissions got him in, but now it's laggy and buggy
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| 07:40 | which is not what I want, of course
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> Just try to set SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false
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| 07:41 | In lts.conf
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| 07:42 | <anivair> will I need to rebuild my kernel after that, or just reboot the thin client?
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Reboot the client
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| 07:42 | <anivair> I'll give it a shot
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| 07:48 | <nubae> alkisg: because AMD, smart folks that they are do not support karmic or lucid
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| 07:48 | ive been trying to get the damn dribers working now for about a week
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| 07:50 | ati used to be so well supported, and now its like getting blood out of a stone to get it working
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| 07:52 | <nubae> alkisg: I now u're busy, but would u have time to look at a couple logos I did for my new IT school... I desperately need a second opinion and direction to go in...
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| 08:00 | <anivair> hrm ... well, that got me logged in (even after I changed back the ownership and permissions on .gvfs) but it's still laggy and buggy. I can't even seem to get more things open now.
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| 08:00 | (I have never had this much trouble with a login in my life)
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| 08:03 | <nubae> anivair: have u checked to see the xsession-errors log file under /home/username/.xsession-errors
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| 08:03 | that often reveals clues
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| 08:03 | <anivair> checking now
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| 08:05 | for the users that can login but nothing runs, I'm getting a lot of fatal IO error 11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on X server
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| 08:06 | ... and apparently it's working fine on another thin client of the same make. what the hell is that? Hold on just a sec while I verrify.
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| 08:06 | <nubae> are u sure u're not trying to run the same program from the same user on different machines?
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| 08:06 | that is a no no
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| 08:07 | u can only run one session per user... otherwise things can get hairy
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| 08:08 | <anivair> I was trying ot run the phone (which is a localapp and also he does not have running on hte other login)
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| 08:08 | the only concurrency is his login
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| 08:09 | which should work AFAIK
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| 08:10 | but let me have him log out to make sure
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| 08:13 | <nubae> well if its local app should be ok
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| 08:13 | its just non local apps, if its the same user u can get problems
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| 08:15 | <mighty-d> HI
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| 08:15 | we are thinking on a LTSP server running on a virtual machine, has this been done?, what are the results?
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| 08:16 | <Appiah> yes it has been done
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| 08:16 | I dont see the problem?
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| 08:17 | <nubae> the results are, ltsp running on a vm :p
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| 08:17 | sorry couldnt resist
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| 08:17 | <mighty-d> Appiah, heh, there is no problem, do you know how it did in performance
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| 08:17 | nubae heh
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| 08:17 | :P
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| 08:17 | <Appiah> well I never benchmarked any of my ltsp installs
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| 08:17 | vs non-virtual installs
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| 08:17 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 08:17 | <nubae> they say u loose about 10% or so
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| 08:17 | its not much in any case
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| 08:17 | <Appiah> 10% what
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| 08:18 | <nubae> performance in general
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| 08:18 | speed
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> how was that messured?
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| 08:18 | <mighty-d> Appiah how many user load do you have on your ltsp, and what are your users using it for (education, work office, etc)
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> and who are they? do you have any source
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| 08:18 | <nubae> well, actually I'm talking about cpu based or something like virtualbox
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> educational and offices
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| 08:19 | <mighty-d> Appiah your largest virtualized LTSP deployment?
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> I dont have a singel one , my customers have
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| 08:19 | <nubae> ie... if its supported in the cpu, u should not see any differences
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| 08:19 | yes, I read it recently in Linux Format
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| 08:19 | <Appiah> 20 users me thinks
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| 08:19 | <nubae> I cannot remember the author
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| 08:19 | nor do I care to go look it up :-=
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| 08:19 | <mighty-d> ok, what are you using as the hypervisor?
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| 08:20 | <nubae> kvm would probably be the best
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| 08:20 | or something like openvz
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| 08:21 | <Appiah> vmware mighty-d
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| 08:22 | <anivair> fixed ... sort of? I rep laced the thin client with a new one of the same model and it works. So either the old one was dying or they have changed some of the hardware on them since the last batch I bought (which was, admittedly, about 2 years ago)
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| 08:22 | <nubae> well vmware is like virtualbox... the free version at least is not as fast as something like kvm
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| 08:23 | <mighty-d> nubae, ok i think i will go with kvm, guys i really appreciate your help
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| 08:23 | <Appiah> I would go xen
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| 08:23 | <nubae> or xen yes
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| 08:23 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 08:23 | <Appiah> virtualbox is more "desktopish"
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| 08:23 | <nubae> those are solutions that use the cpu directly to virtualise
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> thought it can run headless
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| 08:24 | <nubae> vmaware and virtualbox dont
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> umm
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| 08:24 | Vmware what?
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| 08:24 | <nubae> the free version that is
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> there are tons of different vmware solutions
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| 08:24 | Vmware server?
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| 08:24 | <nubae> commercial vmware does support cpu hypervisor directly
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> Vmware Workstation (kind of like Virtualbox)
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| 08:24 | <nubae> yeah
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| 08:24 | <Appiah> ESXi supports cpu hypervisor
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| 08:24 | <nubae> server is probably different
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| 08:25 | <Appiah> and thats free...
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| 08:25 | <nubae> ok.. u know what I mean :-)
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| 08:25 | <Appiah> no I dont seriously
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| 08:25 | <nubae> I was being general, thats why I said some versions of vmware
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| 08:25 | <mighty-d> heh
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| 08:25 | <nubae> the most common ones /free ones in fact
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| 08:26 | <Appiah> Virtualbox supports VT-x and such so it can speak directly to the cpu
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| 08:26 | <nubae> yes but there are limitations
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| 08:26 | it doesnt do it in the same way as kvm or asxi
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| 08:26 | or xen
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| 08:27 | search for an article in llinux format about 3 or 4 months back
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| 08:27 | it explains it better than I can
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| 08:27 | <Appiah> well you can get better performance from vmware and xen , then from vbox
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| 08:28 | <nubae> agreed
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| 08:28 | though not vmware workstation or player
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| 08:32 | <mighty-d> do you think it has a *lot* of benefits to go with 4 core xeon vs quad core ?
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| 08:32 | the price is outrageous!
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| 08:38 | <nubae> depends for what, but if u have a large lab, u sure will notice the difference
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| 08:40 | <mighty-d> nubae its for an ltsp deployment with 30 clients or so...
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| 08:40 | virtualized
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| 08:40 | <nubae> overkill then imho
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| 08:40 | <markit> hi, I'm trying to login in a different GNU/Linux host than the ltsp server. I've lts.conf with something like: [00:1F:D0:B1:3C:7C] LDM_SERVER = 192.168.1.75 SCREEN_08 = ldm
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| 08:41 | and I've set Xdmcp true in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and * host in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xaccess
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| 08:41 | <mighty-d> the server will also virtualize a router + ids, and a ldap server, and in a future a web app server
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| 08:41 | in think thats it
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| 08:41 | <markit> but after username/password, I get the error ""This workstation isn't autorized to connect to the server" any clue?
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| 08:41 | <mighty-d> nubae ^
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| 08:41 | <anivair> anyone know, off hand, if the 1220 model thin client is a lot different now than it was last year or so? If not, i'm guessing mine have just gone bad somehow in the move.
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| 08:44 | <markit> looks like is a ssh key problems (do I have to add the other host ssh keys in ltsp server?) or I should use a different connection way (I would like to have "pure" X-Window one)
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> markit: you need to add the application server's public key to the chroot's known hosts
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| 08:45 | (and reroll the image)
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| 08:46 | markit: grab the latest version of ltsp-update-sshkeys: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/download/head%3A/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Wed_Jun__8_11%3A11%3A43_2005_3120.0/ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 08:46 | <mighty-d> nubae, thanks a lot... you have been very helpful
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| 08:47 | :)
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> replace the one on the ltsp server (in /usr/sbin/)
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| 08:47 | <markit> Gadi: any way to connect with normal X way? (no through ssh), would be much simpler (I'm not very expert)
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| 08:47 | <mighty-d> Appiah thanks to you too
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> markit: and run: ltsp-update-sshkeys -u <ip_of_app_server>
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| 08:47 | markit: you can, but you lose almost all the benefits of ltsp: localdev, localapps, sound, etc
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| 08:48 | <markit> oh :(
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> s/ltsp/ldm/
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| 08:49 | <markit> I ask because I've logged with Xephyr in that server, so thought was easy do the same with thin clients
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| 08:49 | to be sincere, I just need to develop Ruby on rails app there, so no need of sound etc.
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| 08:50 | <markit> Gadi: I will follow your advice, but just for curiosity, do you know how use the other connection way? (simple X-Window)
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| 08:51 | <Comete_> hello again
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> markit: SCREEN_07=startx or SCREEN_07=xdmcp
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| 08:52 | <Comete_> is it possible to disable visual effects in gnome for all thinclients ?
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| 08:52 | <markit> ltsp-update-sshkeys from chroot or from normal ltsp server?
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| 08:52 | when ssh keys changed in my server, I did not in chroot
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| 08:52 | (btw,I'm using debian)
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| 08:53 | <Comete_> markit: from ltsp server
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| 08:53 | <markit> Comete_: thanks
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| 08:54 | I just misinterpreted Gadi words
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| 08:57 | mm my version had no -u option, sigh, and I'm not happy trying to grab and install latest version
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| 08:58 | <tthorb> Hi,
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| 08:59 | The solution for the freezing clients with intel video card has worked out.
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| 08:59 | It's been steady for a week now.
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| 09:00 | Another thing that is bugging me...
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| 09:00 | Is there some way to speed up Java?
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| 09:01 | A minute of waiting is a bit too much for the least patient ones...
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| 09:01 | I have a 64-bit server and 32-bit clients
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| 09:01 | <laron_> Have you looked at http://www.disklessworkstations.com/
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| 09:01 | <tthorb> I've tried to use localapps, but it's still slow
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| 09:02 | <laron_> (nevermind me)
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| 09:02 | <markit> found an howto, thanks a lot for the tips, I will never have been able to figure out I think
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| 09:09 | <markit> mmm that howto is like the other host is a ltsp server itself, but is not
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| 09:10 | and keys created with simple ssh user@host and added in .ssh/known_hosts has a different format
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> Gooood morning #ltsp
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| 09:56 | <nubae> ipsa scientia potestas est
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> nubae: sorry I was just leaving when you spoke - need anything?
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> johnny: here's a better way to have access to local devices for fat clients: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1250
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| 10:07 | With this, you can revert any policy changes you made..
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| 10:16 | <nubae> alkisg: cant remember now... oh yeah... wanted u to look at a logo if u have time,.. its for a school... need some creative input... but if u are very busy dont worry about it...
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| 10:17 | <alkisg> My artistic skill are limited, I don't know if I could be of any use for that :)
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| 10:17 | <ogra> everyone is an artist - joseph beuys
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| 10:25 | <nubae> alkisg: its more the fact that you are a teacher and could tell if this would be suitable for a school
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> nubae, link?
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| 10:25 | <nubae> let me upload to flicker hang on
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| 10:25 | <alkisg> is it the one with the penguins?
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| 10:26 | <nubae> ah, no... this is completely different
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| 10:26 | this is for the school I'm setting up
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| 10:26 | Its called Gnosis
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| 10:26 | which is knowledge in latin if I'm not mistaken
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| 10:27 | sorry greek
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> Γνώσις :)
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| 10:27 | <nubae> there is another reason I wanted u to look at it, u'll see why soon...
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| 10:27 | <alkisg> There are so many words that are considered as latin, while they're greek...
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| 10:27 | E.g. skolelinux says it's latin
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| 10:27 | Σχολή is greek...
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| 10:27 | <nubae> gnosis is definetly greek though
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| 10:28 | I got mixed up because I have a latin saying underneath
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| 10:28 | which I would like to change to something greek... u'll see what I mean in a sec
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| 10:29 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/48075308@N05/4425238990/
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 10:29 | <nubae> the latin in the diploma script says knowledge is power... is there something similar in greek or something better like, learning to learn or something
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> It's fine - I'd just work a little on the diploma..
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| 10:30 | <nubae> ok...
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| 10:30 | yeah gonna fill it in, I tried that already and it worked a bit better
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| 10:30 | but I was wondering about putting a greek saying there instead of latin
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| 10:30 | since the name itself is greek
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| 10:30 | any ideas?
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> "Ισχύς διά της γνώσεως" is the ancient greek equivelant - but I don't know if anyone will understand it without using google.. ;D
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| 10:31 | <nubae> not in cyrillic though
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| 10:31 | :-)
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| 10:31 | I'd want it phonetically latin
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| 10:31 | alphabet
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| 10:31 | <MorpheusDe> alksig: Hi - Another question regarding thin vs thick clients - As I've already said a couple days ago I do not really like installing so much on the ltsp machine itself but
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> That's hard.. let me try: ISCHIS DIA TIS GNOSEOS
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| 10:32 | <nubae> hehe, that sounds good in any case
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| 10:33 | <MorpheusDe> alksig: unfortunately it dit not work to install the ubuntu-desktop into the jail itself - What is actually modified and the exact difference when installing an app as local app within the jail than on the server?
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| 10:33 | <nubae> I looked all over the web for some place that has greek sayings but with a latin alphabet... couldnt find anything
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: did you follow the wiki page?
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| 10:33 | <MorpheusDe> alksig: In other words why can't you install something like the whole ubuntu-desktop as local app?
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| 10:34 | <alkisg> Sure you can. You just need to mark the chroot as a fat client, though, i.e. touch /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
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| 10:34 | Or, you could set LTSP_FATCLIENT=True in lts.conf
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| 10:34 | In other words, LTSP_FATCLIENT by default is true, if /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot exists, false otherwise, and of course can be overriden by lts.conf
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| 10:35 | <MorpheusDe> but this only works starting 5.2, right?
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:35 | When LTSP_FATCLIENT is true, a local session is started instead of a remote one
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| 10:36 | <MorpheusDe> Define session exactly, please
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> The X session, after you login in ldm
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| 10:37 | <MorpheusDe> you said you would go for a thick client in case the client is > 500 RAM and thin in case it's less
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Instead of running a remote x session on the ltsp server, a local x session is started
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| 10:37 | That's what I do, yup - others might have different advice
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| 10:37 | <MorpheusDe> is this sort of paradigm change or just a matter of taste?
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| 10:38 | <MorpheusDe> you were faster :-)
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| 10:38 | <alkisg> In my experience, clients with 1 Gb RAM run better as fat clients, while clients with 256 ram run better as thin clients
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| 10:39 | But, it always depends on the use cases..
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| 10:40 | <MorpheusDe> Just to really understand the concept - Thick client --> Full blown os only served by the ltsp via network, no RDP session, own x-session, thin client --> minimal os served by ltsp just to boot up
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| 10:40 | anything else via rdp on the server, right?
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> Yes, though it's not called rdp but remote X
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| 10:43 | <MorpheusDe> I'm planning on moving to the next lts version of ubuntu but would like to use the fat client concept alreday. Do you think I'll run into trouble using stgraber's repo upgrading to 5.2 and afterwards upgrading to the new ubuntu lts release?
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| 10:43 | Probably I'm than already ahead with lts than the regular version served with the standard repos...
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> You'd upgrade the karmic chroot to lucid instead of running ltsp-build-client again? It should work, but I wouldn't do it this way...
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| 10:45 | <MorpheusDe> Ahm the chroot only? According to your thick client wiki article I've got to upgrade the ltsp machine itself
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| 10:46 | What would you reccommend?
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> I don't know your use case, I can't recommend something... other than the standard thing, i.e. to use the stable version and regenerate the chroot when you upgrade the newer version
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| 10:47 | Personally, for my school, I'd go for Lucid, but would be extra careful on updates.
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| 10:48 | <MorpheusDe> Maybe we're not talking about the exact same thing here - So you would already upgrade the whole distro to lucid first?
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| 10:49 | I mean using Karmic but with the upstream repo
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| 10:50 | <alkisg> I think we're talking about the same thing, yes
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| 10:50 | I'd upgrade to lucid first. But that's just me. I'm not proposing that you'd do the same - it's up to you..
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| 10:50 | <MorpheusDe> I can't wait till lucid stable is out - Probably I'll have no prob if I use Kamic, the upstream repo, later upgrade to lucid, then remove ltsp and the upstream repo and install again
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| 10:51 | would only have to re-gen the clients...
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| 10:51 | By the way - The command add-apt-repository ppa:stgraber mentioned in your article did not work at all for me - The tool add-apt-repository hung up on every exec....
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> It hung up?
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| 10:52 | If it hangs, file a bug - it worked fine for me when I had karmic
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| 10:52 | <MorpheusDe> Yupp - dead console - only closing helped
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| 10:52 | Had to add the repo manually
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| 10:53 | Adding the key using sudo apt-key export E7716B13 | sudo tee /etc/ltsp/stgraber.asc did not work too - I had to gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net –recv-keys E7716B13
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| 10:53 | Afterwards apt-key add /home/morpheus/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> You put it in your home key? That doesn't sound right...
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| 10:54 | <MorpheusDe> And finally apt-key export E7716B13 | sudo tee /etc/ltsp/stgraber.asc
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| 10:55 | Only way I was able to add the key and get the new thick client feature going
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> There's a tutorial on how to add ppa keys on launchpad
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| 10:55 | (if you need to do that manually)
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| 10:56 | <MorpheusDe> sudo apt-key export E7716B13 | sudo tee /etc/ltsp/stgraber.asc produced an empty file only
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| 10:56 | Thx - will google for the tutorial...
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| 10:57 | A question regarding italc - Do you know whether it's possible to have the master workstation on a different subnet than the clients?
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| 10:57 | <alkisg> It's on every ppa page
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| 10:57 | (the link for the tutorial)
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| 10:57 | <MorpheusDe> Ok thx
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| 10:58 | <alkisg> Yes, you just lose autodetection and need to declare them manually
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| 10:58 | <MorpheusDe> Hmm - so like right click in the class room manager and than select add client?
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 10:59 | <MorpheusDe> I was not able to get that working....
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| 10:59 | <alkisg> Or you could just save the autodetected clients before moving to a different subnet
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| 10:59 | <MorpheusDe> The only thing I have to have open is port 5900 right?
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> For ltsp? No, the ports are in the 11xxx range
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| 11:00 | and in 10xxx
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| 11:00 | <MorpheusDe> I can telnet to the client using a console and port 5900 but italc does not connect...
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> MorpheusDe: I'm in the middle of something, so I don't have much time to help you troubleshoot italc... maybe someone else does have the time though, so ask in general
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| 11:02 | <MorpheusDe> no biggie - basically thing's are running right now - may I get back to you some other time?
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> Usually we ask in the channel, and whoever's available or knows the answer, answers... but sure, np
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| 11:03 | <MorpheusDe> thx
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| 11:08 | Can some one else maybe point me to another resource or provide any more hints on the italc / thin client / different sub net combo?
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| 11:35 | <kusznir> I've got an off-topic question that someone here might be able to help me (all the "normal" places don't seem to be much help):
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| 11:36 | I'm trying to build a new ltsp server, and that server needs to authenticate against an active directory server. I've got samba and winbind configured (with the nsswitch and pam mods as well), and users can ssh in with their AD accounts just fine.
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| 11:36 | <johnny> alkisg, i can wait til the next ppa is rolled i suppose :)
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| 11:36 | i don't need to try to already fix it
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> ok
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| 11:36 | <kusznir> However, whenever an AD user logs in, the X session starts to launch, gets most of the panel drawn, and then gets logged out.
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| 11:37 | <ogra> did you check the log ?
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| 11:37 | <kusznir> I haven't found any traces of error messages of use except in .xsession-errors, and those are tons of warnings from a variety of applications not being able to connect or get messages from dbus / system bus.
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| 11:37 | <ogra> right
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| 11:38 | so there is your prob
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| 11:38 | (no idea how to solve it though, i have no clue about AD)
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| 11:38 | <kusznir> So...I'm guessing that dbus is the problem, but I can't seem to find anyone who can tell me anything about why dbus isn't letting them connect). I can't find any info on how dbus "authenticates" users, or anyting like that.
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| 11:39 | The AD users appear as "normal users" on the system; getent passwd will show a convincing passwd file with all the users listed, etc.
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| 11:39 | <ogra> all IPC is dont through dbus nowadays, usually a session dbus is fired up when the user logs in
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| 11:39 | s/dont/done/
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| 11:39 | <kusznir> Oh, its not the main dbus that starts at system boot?
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| 11:39 | <ogra> no, that provides system services
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| 11:40 | i.e. access to devices
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| 11:40 | the session bus connects to it
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| 11:40 | <kusznir> Ok. Can you provide any details about when/how the session dbus is started or where to look for that process?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> well, in case of a gnome session the gnome-session bianry fires up the session bus
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| 11:40 | *binary
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| 11:41 | not sure where other desktops do it
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| 11:43 | <kusznir> This is a gnome session.
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| 11:44 | <ogra> Gadi, that was in feisty or so
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| 11:45 | <kusznir> This is 9.10
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| 11:45 | <ogra> it should be started by gnome-session since a while
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> huh - so much for dist-upgrades :P
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| 11:45 | <johnny> hmm.. i wish ltsp would stop being so annoying if you had bad video drivers or bad autologin passwords :(
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| 11:46 | <ogra> hmm, i have it in lucid too
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| 11:46 | <johnny> i can never get to the console
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| 11:46 | it just keeps flashing
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| 11:46 | <ogra> so i'm probably misinformed and it was reverted
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| 11:49 | <kusznir> johnny: it should give up after ~10 tries or so, and give you a couple minutes to get in :)
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| 11:49 | ogra: yes, I see I have that file as well...and it calls "/usr/bin/dbus-launch". I launched it on an SSH session of an AD user and it launched just fine.
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| 11:50 | <johnny> kusznir, that is not the case that i've seen..
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| 11:50 | especially when autologin is failing :)
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| 11:50 | <kusznir> Ahh...autologin might be the problem, especially with ldm...
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> Shouldn't there be a parameter for "autologin only once" ?
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| 11:52 | <kusznir> If X is just dying, then it should back off...But if X is starting successfully and then something else is killing it, especially if its alive for some minimum time (30 sec? 10 sec?) then it won't auto-backoff.
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| 11:52 | <johnny> exactly
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| 11:52 | alkisg, see.. i was using key auth before
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| 11:53 | that definitely doesn't work if you're using a fat client
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> johnny: what do you mean "key auth"? ssh key auth?
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| 11:53 | You're putting your private keys on the chroot?
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| 11:55 | <johnny> alkisg, yes, i was at the time
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| 11:55 | until i found a decent password generator
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| 11:55 | originally i was slightly hacked
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| 11:55 | in that somebody remotely logged in to a user account and setup a bouncer
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| 11:56 | when i was doing the LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD as host name
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| 11:58 | <kusznir> Ok, if I start an X session with "XDM" (aka "failsafe") instead of "gnome", how do I manually kick off a gnome session inside that?
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| 12:06 | <kusznir> Ok, I ran Xsession, and that started up gnome. I got some errors this way (including a segfault that I don't know what belongs to it)
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| 12:06 | <nubae> alkisg: how would u say "because knowledge should be free
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> kusznir: how are you connecting to AD?
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| 12:06 | <nubae> in greek
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| 12:06 | non-cyrillic
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> likewise-open?
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> nubae: GIATI I GNOSI PREPEI NA EINAI ELEFTHERI
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| 12:10 | <kusznir> Gadi: using samba + winbind; closely followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91510
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| 12:10 | <nubae> alkisg: can u give me the exact translation of that phrase
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| 12:10 | os is it already exact?
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> "because knowledge must be free (as in freedom)"
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| 12:11 | <nubae> yeah the problem with that quote is the beer thing
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| 12:11 | maybe because learning should be free
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| 12:12 | or... learning is an unalienable right
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| 12:12 | <alkisg> In greek we have separate words for beer / freedom, so there's no mixup
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| 12:12 | free as in beer = DOREAN, free as in freedom = ELEFTHERI...
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| 12:14 | <nubae> Ior something like learn to be free
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| 12:14 | gah duuno
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> kusznir: it looks like with this recipe, your AD users can get uids between 500-1000
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| 12:14 | kusznir: this may be problematic on ubuntu
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| 12:15 | kusznir: perhaps you should increase the minimum above 1000
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| 12:15 | <kusznir> I did change a few things, and that's one of them.
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| 12:15 | <kusznir> Actually, I just realized I sent the wrong link...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto
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| 12:15 | And I used the "rid" instructions toward the end. My UID/GID mapping is 10000-20000
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| 12:16 | The "newer syntax" section is actually broke; I used the block above it under "Adding more htan one linux machine to a windows network"
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| 12:17 | <laron> We have a Windows 2008 Server hosting all our files. I'd like to make a link for every user to be able to access the files. Do I do accomplish that by editing the new user skeleton or by editing the ltsp image in some way
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| 12:17 | ?
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| 12:19 | <kusznir> laron: editing /etc/skel will only make it effective for new acounts created; you'd need to write a script to add it to all existing accounts as well as add it to /etc/skel.
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| 12:19 | laron: my understanding of what you want to do would need to be done on the server, not the clients.
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> laron: maybe you could do that with an /etc/xdg/autostart script
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> laron: you may want to use the pam_mount method described on this page (unless the share is public): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ActiveDirectoryIntegration
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| 12:22 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> kusznir: I doubt your problem is dbus related
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| 12:24 | kusznir: but, I could be wrong
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| 12:25 | <kusznir> Well, I'm aslo chatting over in #gnome, and just did some testing. It appears that dbus packets are somehow getting addressed to (null destination)....don't know why/where. It does appear that dbus is launching correctly and remaining launched.
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| 12:26 | Although I do agree that this should not be a factor of the dbus issue, but something with winbind/samba. Nobody over in #samba is being any help, though.
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| 12:26 | <kusznir> The main thing people use this configuration for is gui logins, too...so I don't know why its blowing up so bad on me...
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| 12:28 | <alkisg> kusznir: I'm not good on pam stuff, but it seems to me that you need both auth + session pam, and you're missing the session pam...
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| 12:28 | I may be saying stupid things, though.
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| 12:28 | <kusznir> I was wondering about that...they did have me add the mkhomedir to the pam session file, but nothing with winbind.
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| 12:33 | <Gadi> kusznir: I have been using likewise-open for such deployments without issue
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| 12:33 | (ie without dbus issues)
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| 12:41 | <laron> how do i disable the terminal for ltsp clients?
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| 12:41 | or just remove it from the menu
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| 12:41 | (only for clients)
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| 12:45 | is this a dumb question?
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| 12:46 | <johnny> sabayon is the way to go
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| 12:46 | !sabayon
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| 12:46 | <ltspbot> johnny: Error: "sabayon" is not a valid command.
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| 12:46 | <johnny> sbalneav, what should i type to point to your ppa for versions earlier than lucid?
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| 12:46 | <Appiah> if you run gnome use the lockdown tools for gnome
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| 12:46 | or sabayon
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| 12:47 | <johnny> laron, you need to get it from sbalneav's ppa on launchpad if you want to use it in karmic or earlier
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| 12:47 | <laron> ok
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> gconf_editor ==> /desktop/gnome/lockdown/disable_command_line ==> right click and set as the default. Selected admins can enable it manually.
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> Yup, nfs home is much better for fat clients... evolution works fine with it.
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| 13:33 | ...and google earth and google chrome. So an NFS_HOME=xxx option would be nice to have for localapps/fat clients...
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc> was nice to have it all working through the ssh tunnel ... *sigh*
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> well, if sshfs starts supporting file locks and null cipher etc, we may remove nfs support then
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> the speed is also too slow?
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> nfs feels faster than sshfs, but I haven't tried with anything big yet
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| 13:55 | I think sshfs would be limited by my cpu to 5 mb/sec, while nfs would be limited by my disk/net speed...
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| 13:56 | OK, so: NFS_HOME=/home or <ip>:/home in lts.conf. If <ip> is not set, $SERVER will be used.
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| 13:56 | The admin is expected to install nfs-kernel-server and modify /etc/exports,
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| 13:57 | and set LATE_PACKAGES=nfs-client on ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 13:57 | It shouldn't take more than 10 lines in the current code...
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| 14:00 | <thunsucker> has anyone used an usb bridge that you guys have heard about?
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| 14:00 | I'm trying to test out the theory of using a wireless bridge to boot wireless ltsp clients
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> thunsucker: you'll still have very limited bandwidth for the thin clients... as all the clients share the same airwaves.
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| 14:07 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: i understand that, and each client will be getting their own bridge
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| 14:07 | 1 for 1
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| 14:07 | our building is absolutely saturated with 30+ cisco WAPs
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> well, *all* the bridges share the same bandwidth...
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| 14:09 | putting more wireless traffic in the air doesn't increase the amount of available bandwidth...
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| 14:09 | maybe for the purposes you're doing, it will be acceptible, but it's going to be a significant limitation
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| 14:10 | <thunsucker> vagrantc: I don't see why it cause any problems, the clients might be a little slower to boot, but shouldn't be that bad
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| 14:10 | <kusznir> thunsucker: its not just the booting..its actually streaming all the window updates and the like.
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> thunsucker: the entire graphical session goes over the network... every mouse move, every moving object on the screen, etc. all goes over the wireless...
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| 14:11 | <kusznir> In my experiences, in order to support decent flash performance, I need to run about 250mbps per client. You will only get 10% of that on wifi under good conditions.
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| 14:11 | <thunsucker> ahhh I see what you guys are saying now
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| 14:12 | <kusznir> And on 802.11(g), there are only three non-overlapping channels. Thus, if you have more than 3 APs in a space that can "see" each other, you're impeeding yoru own throughput.
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| 14:12 | (I have a real problem when people install a bunch of APs in a small area and expect that to "handle the load better"....)
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| 14:12 | <thunsucker> kusznir: no I understand, from about any point in the building you can see 2-4 AP's
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| 14:13 | <kusznir> thunsucker: if you were making netbooting thick clients (most/all programs/apps run locally), then you might get acceptable performance.
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| 14:13 | <thunsucker> i never thought about the wireless throughput problem, they do a lot of flash type learning games
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| 14:13 | <laron> should i expect any problems running the ltsp server on a 64 bit machine with 32 bit clients? i'm assuming no
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| 14:13 | <kusznir> However, in my experience, its always better to wire than go wireless....occasionally wireless does have issues, and its far more often than wired.
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| 14:14 | laron: no, I'm doing that now.
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| 14:14 | <thunsucker> kusznir: right now they're th in clients but I'm thinking about converting some of them to fat clients
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| 14:14 | <laron> ok, thanks
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| 14:14 | <thunsucker> kusznir: i agree wired is better, but this customer had a ton of funding from the government (it's a school) to put the wireless in, and now the government is frowning upon adding any more drops
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| 14:15 | <laron> would anyone have recomendations for thin clients? right now i'm looking at the ones on disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:15 | <kusznir> If this is 802.11(g), I think your customer will be sorely dissapointed with the performance.
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| 14:15 | I'm coming pretty darn close to saturating a gig-e link right now with my ~15 thin clients...You'll never get that over wifi.
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| 14:16 | laron: no experience there. I've been running Devon IT TC-5's...they're a bit expensive ($320/ea), but they're solid and powerful (and can run 1920x1080 DVI with intel graphics acceleration)
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| 14:17 | But there's lots of options out there....
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| 14:17 | Anyway, gotta go to a meeting...afk for a while.
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| 14:17 | <thunsucker> kusznir: the only different is that i'm running the rdesktop screen script
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| 14:17 | <laron> just wondering if there are any particular ones that are know to be good machines
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| 14:18 | known*
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| 14:20 | <thunsucker> laron: wait for CAN-OH-SPAM or something like that, he works for them
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| 14:20 | laron: I also think usupur or something like works for them also
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| 14:20 | laron: never hurts to call, those guys are good
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| 14:21 | <laron> alright
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> LOCAL_APPS is true by default, right? Because `man lts.conf` states that it is false...
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| 16:10 | <laron> yes but if you haven't installed any applications to run locally, then no apps will run locally
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| 16:10 | sorry, your making a statement?
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| 16:13 | <ogra> laron, the documentation is out of sync is his statement
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> ogra understands greek people... :D
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| 16:18 | <ogra> alkisg, we sync the ltsp-docs package from debian ...
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| 16:19 | which is surely behind in lenny :)
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| 16:19 | make sure vagrantc knows ;)
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> Hmm you think sbalneav fixed that? k, I'll take a look tomorrow
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| 16:25 | OK, here it is - NFS /home support for localapps and fat clients, enables some programs that need file locks to run locally: http://paste.ubuntu.com/393587/
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| 16:26 | If noone objects, I'd like to commit that...
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> there is no ltsp-docs in lenny
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| 16:39 | what's in squeeze is only a few commits behind trunk
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| 16:46 | <akuepker_> Has anybody dealt with Ubuntu problems where LDM blocks logins and dbus hits 100% CPU?
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| 17:05 | <laron> if i install firefox instensions on the server will they be accessable on the client machines?
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| 17:07 | <abeehc> if you do it right, yep
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| 17:07 | and you are not using localapps
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| 17:08 | <laron> i am using local apps
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| 17:08 | but do i need to isntall through chroot?
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| 17:09 | <abeehc> yeah
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| 17:09 | what i do
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| 17:09 | is install the extension as a user
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| 17:11 | then just copy the resulting folder from .mozilla-thunderbird/*.default/extensions/{sadfsadfdsafa guid?}
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| 17:11 | to the system level extensions folder /usr/lib/thunderbird/extensions
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| 17:11 | in both server and chroot
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| 17:12 | which doesn't exactly follow these instructions http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions
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| 17:12 | you might need to adjust perms but it works good for me
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| 17:17 | <laron> k
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| 17:18 | thanks, i'll give it a shot
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| 17:22 | <laron> use /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins
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| 17:22 | ?
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| 17:23 | <abeehc> oops
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| 17:23 | yeah i was talkin tbird wasn't i hehe
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| 17:24 | uhm
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| 17:25 | <laron> mk
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| 17:25 | <abeehc> i don't think it's that folder
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| 17:25 | are you talking extensions, or plugins?
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| 17:25 | <laron> oh
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| 17:25 | extensions would just be "cd ../extensions"
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| 17:25 | its an add-on called telify
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| 17:26 | <abeehc> you'll have to experiment
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| 17:26 | <laron> a skype plugin for firefox to turn number on the web into clickable skype
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| 17:26 | <abeehc> /usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions
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| 17:26 | but that could be it
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| 17:26 | <laron> k, i hate having to rebuild the image every time though
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| 17:26 | <abeehc> well on the client
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| 17:26 | <laron> everytime i make a change
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| 17:26 | <abeehc> just run the remote ff to test
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| 17:26 | no need to rebuild in that case
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| 17:27 | i think
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| 17:27 | <laron> alright, i'll work on it. thanks for the help
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| 17:27 | <abeehc> good luck
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| 17:28 | <laron> thanks, later
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| 21:01 | <jammcq> hey hey
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| 21:04 | <mgariepy> hey jammcq
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| 21:04 | how do you do ?
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| 21:05 | <jammcq> hey mgariepy
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| 21:05 | i'm doing fine. how are you doing?
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| 21:05 | <mgariepy> i'm doing fine too
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| 21:33 | <_Techie_> i just installed ubuntu 9.10 LTSP via the alternative CD, and added the "interface eth1;" line into /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and clients are recieving IP's but are unable to connect to tFPT
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| 21:33 | tFTP*
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| 21:33 | <jammcq> on that server, you have both a eth0 and a eth1 ?
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| 21:34 | <_Techie_> yes
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> what IP addresses did you use for each interface?
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| 21:35 | <_Techie_> eth0 is dhcp @ 192.168.1.101 and eth1 is manualy set to 192.168.0.1
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| 21:35 | <jammcq> hmmm, both with 255.255.255.0 for a netmask?
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| 21:42 | <_Techie_> might that cause a problem?
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> did you see my last question about netmask?
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| 21:45 | <_Techie_> yes
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> 22:35 < jammcq> hmmm, both with 255.255.255.0 for a netmask?
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| 21:45 | <_Techie_> i replied yes
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| 21:45 | <jammcq> that's fine
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| 21:45 | hmm, never saw the 'yes'. Looks like you had a connection issue
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| 21:46 | <_Techie_> my connection dropped when i disabled my routers DHCP server
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| 21:46 | <jammcq> anyway, it's a common problem that people would set the 2 interfaces on the same class-c, but that doesn't appear to be your problem
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| 21:47 | <_Techie_> do you know what service the TFTP server is under in /etc/init.d/?
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| 21:47 | <jammcq> it's been a long time since I did any troubleshooting so I'm a bit rusty here
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| 21:47 | tftpd is usually running from inetd
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| 21:47 | try: netstat -anp | grep ":69 "
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| 21:47 | see if anything is listening on port 69
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| 21:48 | <_Techie_> one sec
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| 21:48 | just rebuilding the image
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> k
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| 21:48 | <_Techie_> extra info, this is all happenign inside a VM on the same network (both adaptors are bridged to the same device)
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| 21:49 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 21:50 | <_Techie_> dup 0 0.0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:*
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| 21:50 | udp*
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| 21:50 | <jammcq> hmm, looks good
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| 21:50 | so you have a virtual LTSP server and you've defined 2 interfaces both bound to the same physical interface?
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| 21:51 | <_Techie_> yes
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| 21:51 | <jammcq> how about the client, is it real or virtual?
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| 21:51 | <_Techie_> client is virtual during testing
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| 21:52 | im setting up a machine for my brother to use to browse the net
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| 21:52 | but im out of hard drives
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| 22:03 | <_Techie_> jammcq, i ran a tcpdump on eth1 and found where the client was requesting the tftp
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| 22:04 | however there is no reply that i can see
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| 22:04 | <jammcq> k, any clues?
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| 22:04 | is the tftp request going to the correct interface?
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| 22:05 | <_Techie_> IP 192.168.0.20.2073 > 0.0.0.0.tftp: 38 RRQ "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0" octet tsize 0
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 22:06 | why's it goint o 0.0.0.0 ?
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| 22:06 | <_Techie_> no clue
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> s/goint o/going to/
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| 22:06 | <_Techie_> nothing i assigned
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| 22:06 | <jammcq> do you have a 'next-server' entry in your dhcpd.conf file?
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| 22:06 | <_Techie_> its in there but commented out
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| 22:07 | <jammcq> try setting it to 192.168.0.1
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| 22:07 | <_Techie_> ill just uncomment it then
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| 22:08 | ooh
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| 22:08 | it seems to be working
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| 22:08 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 22:08 | <_Techie_> it tried to load its pxelinux configs then picked up the default as it should
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| 22:09 | loaded vmlinuz and now loading initrd.img
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| 22:09 | and there we are
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| 22:09 | <jammcq> yeah. normal behaviour a long time ago for dhcpd was to default next-server to be the same IP address as the dhcp server, but then the ISC guys changed it
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| 22:10 | <_Techie_> the other thing i want to ask requires someone with knowledge of DHCP servers on linksys routers
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| 22:10 | <jammcq> I argued with them about it, but they said it wasn't "conforming to the rfc", so, we ended up having to set next-server
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| 22:10 | then, the ubuntu guys patched dhcpd to revert to the old behaviour
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| 22:10 | * jammcq knows nothing about dhcpd on linksys routers | |
| 22:11 | <jammcq> you'd need a way to tell the dhcp on the linksys to send a 'filename' entry
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| 22:11 | and a 'next-server'
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| 22:11 | <_Techie_> woah
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| 22:11 | <jammcq> so the client will know what host to grab what file from
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| 22:11 | <_Techie_> ubuntu 9.10 LTSP client login screen is 500x better than the actual thing
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| 22:12 | <jammcq> 500x ?
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| 22:12 | i'd say that's pretty good
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| 22:12 | <_Techie_> it looks awesome compared to what they chose for the login screen
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| 22:12 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:12 | i'm not sure what the Ubuntu artwork guys are thinking
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| 22:14 | <_Techie_> is there a way to run LTSP via cygwin?
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| 22:14 | <jammcq> well... LTSP is an operating system that gets downloaded to a thin client, so it can run X to connect back to the server.
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| 22:15 | <jammcq> what you need is an Xserver on windows to connect to the server
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| 22:15 | assuming you want cygwin so that you can connect to a Linux server
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| 22:15 | <_Techie_> other way around
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| 22:15 | <jammcq> how so?
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| 22:15 | <_Techie_> i want to remove the LTSP server from being in a VM
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| 22:15 | my base system is windows7
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| 22:16 | <jammcq> so you want Windows to serve up LTSP to the thin client?
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| 22:16 | <_Techie_> yes
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| 22:16 | <jammcq> and what kind of desktop environment do you want the user to see, Linux or Windows ?
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| 22:16 | <_Techie_> linux
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| 22:16 | <jammcq> I think vmware is your only hope
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| 22:17 | there's too many services needed to try to serve those things from Windows
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| 22:17 | you need dhcp, tftp, nbd and X
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| 22:17 | at a minimum
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| 22:18 | <_Techie_> darn
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| 22:18 | if i wasnt selling one of my machines i could set up a dedicated LTSP server
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| 22:34 | <_Techie_> actually, i might do that
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| 22:38 | <_Techie_> just my luck, one of my machines cant PXE boot that i can see and the ethernet adapter on the other one seems to be faulty\
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| 23:10 | <_Techie_> jammcq, i thankyou for your help earlier, everyint is running perfectly now and now i know what to do to set it up in future
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| 23:10 | everything*
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| 23:50 | <_Techie_> !help
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| 23:50 | <ltspbot`> _Techie_: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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