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Channel log from 31 December 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:36 | <engblom> Could anyone point me to some documentation on how I can specify which clients should be thin and which should be fat?
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| 10:36 | I have been building a fat-client environment, but I still want some of the clients to be thin.
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| 12:57 | <knipwim> alkisg: you know how those languages work? those in /po
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Hi knipwim, what do you mean "work?" ... let me check...
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| 12:59 | <knipwim> more specifically, is the ltsp.pot generated or made manually
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> Erm... big story there, and I don't know all of it, but:
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| 12:59 | I think it's generated at build time by some of our scripts, vagrantc knows more about it as he also notifies translators whenever that's needed,
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| 12:59 | but I proposed and he agreed that it would be nice to move the translations to launchpad
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| 13:00 | Launchpad does have a problem in that it doesn't include the credits to all the translators in the generated .po files, but it does keep them online,
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| 13:00 | <knipwim> would be a good "bite-size" task
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> ...but I think that's a small price to pay in order to have easy + many translations
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| 13:00 | <knipwim> for new devs
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> I was very satisfied with epoptes translations, it got to 30+ languages in very few months
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| 13:01 | https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes
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| 13:02 | knipwim: did you also check this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1008237
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| 13:03 | # To extract the strings to translate, use:
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| 13:03 | # xgettext -L shell -k --keyword=_ -o - script
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| 13:03 | That would automatically include the strings in the ltsp.pot file
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| 13:04 | I think we already have that in the code, for ltsp-build-client...
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| 13:05 | <knipwim> i saw you made the bug, didn't look at the details at the time
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| 13:10 | how are the launchpad translations integrated in the epoptes package?
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> knipwim: launchpad pushes the changes to the epoptes trunk automatically
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| 13:11 | There's also an option for manual syncing with the trunk, but I preferred the completely automatic method
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| 13:11 | <knipwim> check, i see "Launchpad automatic translations update."
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> So currently epoptes gets support for new languages without me doing anything at all
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| 13:12 | <knipwim> why do we even bother with the old method
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> Beats me :)
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| 13:17 | !learn fat-internal-disks as `To allow anyone to access internal disks on fat clients, run this as root in your fat chroot or live session: sed 's/<allow_active>auth_admin[^<]*/<allow_active>yes/p' -i /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy`
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| 13:17 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> !fat-internal-disks
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| 13:17 | <ltsp> fat-internal-disks: To allow anyone to access internal disks on fat clients, run this as root in your fat chroot or live session: sed 's/<allow_active>auth_admin[^<]*/<allow_active>yes/p' -i /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.udisks.policy
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| 13:18 | <knipwim> right
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| 13:18 | that doesn't feel hackish at all :)
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Normally, users in the admin group have full access, but people ask for non-admins as well :)
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| 13:19 | OK we need to map that to some variable like LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS... but probably a new one, not that one
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| 13:58 | Quoting vagrantc:
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| 13:58 | http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?d=2012-05-25
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| 13:58 | 22:18<alkisg>And I hope we'll be able to use launchpad or some other web-based tool for translations some day, they're very handy
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| 13:58 | 22:19<vagrantc>alkisg: i don't like that it doesn't properly credit the translators in the po files...
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| 13:59 | quoting Phantomas:
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| 13:59 | (03:53:47 μμ) Phantomas: if you put "message translator-credits" it automatically includes all the credits
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| 14:00 | ==> so we should be able to convince vagrantc to accept moving all the ltsp translations to launchpad :)
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| 14:00 | <Phantomas> yep, but instead of putting them in the header of the file as comments, it includes them in a 'special' message with msgid 'translator-credits'
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| 14:00 | it's better that way, since you can get them in your application just by reading this message
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| 14:03 | actually, you probably *have* to include this string somewhere in the code to make the pot generator include it in the POT/PO files even if you don't use it
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| 14:06 | <knipwim> nice
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| 14:06 | if it is possible, we'll convince him :)
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> Phantomas: is the opposite possible? E.g. someone sends a translation traditionally with an email, can we tell launchpad to properly credit him?
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| 14:08 | <Phantomas> alkisg: He should upload the PO directly to launchpad
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> Or, to manually edit "translator-credits", and tell launchpad not to erase entries that it doesn't know about
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| 14:08 | Phantomas: suppose he doesn't have a launchpad account
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| 14:09 | <Phantomas> otherwise you'll have to manual commit a changed translator-credits string in his language's PO
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| 14:09 | including his name
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> That's ok, if launchpad then doesn't overwrite it
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| 14:09 | And another thing is about translations quality, launchpad translators might bypass loco teams etc, but I don't think that's a real problem
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| 14:10 | <Phantomas> you can restict your translations to a team
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> I think launchpad does support allowing only loco teams to edit translations, if we ever want that
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| 14:10 | right
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| 14:10 | <Phantomas> if you want to
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| 14:10 | yep
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| 14:11 | so the user will have to be a member of this team to have rights to translate, otherwise you can only send suggestions
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| 14:12 | and a reviewer/member of the team should review (accept/modify/delete) them
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> Good enough for me
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| 14:12 | <Phantomas> yep, and it's pretty easy for the translators too
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| 14:13 | and for the reviewers...
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> sbalneav, stgraber, ogra_: here's a method to allow unmounting ltspfs mounts from nautilus: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1094899
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| 14:54 | I can't commit it because I'm unfamiliar with the ltspfs source code and I don't know where to add the "uhelper=ltspfs" part, so if someone can help there...
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> alkisg: OK, I'll have a look...
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> Thanks!
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| 22:55 | <alkisg> Happy new year everyone
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| 22:59 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg | |
| 22:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: nice work regarding nautilus umount!
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| 23:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks, I think it'll work!
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| 23:11 | Let's see if sbalneav gets some time to commit it, it shouldn't take much hour...
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| 23:12 | * vagrantc has been busy getting a proper kernel built for raspbian | |
| 23:12 | <vagrantc> so that we can run ltsp with raspbian
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| 23:12 | <alkisg> vagrantc: did you find any aufs/overlayfs support?
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> which make for fairly nice thin clients
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| 23:12 | <sbalneav> I'll have a look tomorrow.
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> alkisg: none of the default kernels, but it appears to work now that i've rebuilt the kernel properly
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| 23:12 | <sbalneav> HNY to one and all!
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| 23:13 | <alkisg> I've been testing cubox here, it's ok although I thought it'd be faster... it barely qualifies as a fat client, even with 1 gb ram, due to its cpu
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| 23:13 | Maybe with armhf it'll be much better
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| 23:13 | * vagrantc somehow read that as JNNY from JTHM | |
| 23:13 | <alkisg> HNY sbalneav
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> alkisg: past midnight in Greece?
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> if the hype is to be believed, armhf gives 10-30% speed improvement
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| 23:14 | <alkisg> Yup, 1:14 here
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| 23:14 | <sbalneav> right. UTC+1
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| 23:14 | <alkisg> +2 in the winter, +3 in the summer...
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| 23:14 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does the cubox use the omap4 kernel?
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| 23:15 | alkisg: how's 2013 looking so far?
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> They had an ubuntu image that I just dd'ed to its sd card... so I don't even know what kernel it uses, I was just checking it speed-wise
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 23:15 | <alkisg> I got the new year's pie coin so I'm supposed to be lucky all year, lets see :D
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does that luck rub off on associates?
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| 23:16 | <alkisg> I hope so :)
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| 23:24 | <vagrantc> alkisg: is the proxydhcp support in dnsmasq only for PXE, or any dhcp server?
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| 23:26 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't think dhcp clients wait for proxy answers
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| 23:27 | It's part of the pxe protocol
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| 23:27 | E.g. dhclient, udhcpc etc all ignore the dnsmasq reply
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| 23:27 | It would be possible to write a client to get the dnsmasq reply (it does reply), but I don't think any exists yet
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| 23:38 | <vagrantc> ah right
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