IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:46 | <wizzy> problems mounting nfs root using the dapper nfs server. Thin clients pause for a long time, eventually saying "cannot contact nfs server". Logging on the server indicates successful mount. Problems only on dapper, fine on debian sarge. no firewall rules, nothing in hosts.allow/deny. Where should I start looking ?
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| 01:54 | <sep> wizzy, rpcinfo both localy and towards theremoete host. and from both ends
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| 01:59 | <wizzy> The client is not up yet (/ not mounted) - what am I looking for on the server ? "rpcinfo -p localhost" on the server reports portmapper x2, nfs x6, nlockmgr x6, mountd x6, status x2
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| 03:33 | <lamaslany> Can anyone recommend a 'Fedora 6'-specific how-to for installing LTSP? I have tried the Debian-based how-to and I think I got a little lost when translating the package requirements... ;)
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| 03:34 | <bip> have u checked the ltsp wiki lamaslany ?
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| 03:37 | <lamaslany> I've tried to follow the LTSP Installation Guide by PaulVanGundy but the installation of the prerequsite packages is done using apt-get which I thought was a Debian package manager. Unfortunately I'm still quite new to linux and I was hoping to get a Fedora 6 how-to to ensure that I install the correct prerequsite packages...
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| 03:38 | There doesn't seem to be a direct translation of package names between the Debian-base and the RPM offerings.
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| 03:39 | I *could* just try any and all of the close matches but if there was already guidance then it seems silly not to utilise it! :)
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| 03:40 | Okay, okay, I'm just being lazy - but I'd still prefer to use a how-to from somebody who knows otherwise I might get it working but it not be optimal/secure.
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| 04:40 | <Megant_> Uhm
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| 04:42 | Sometimes ltsp-clients disconnect from X-server, why?
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| 04:43 | <McPolo> What you mean? Xserver is run on the client itself.
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| 04:43 | <Megant_> Yeah, but I mean that they disconnect from ltsp-server
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| 04:43 | <kgoetz> Megant_: are there any logs?
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| 04:45 | <Megant_> kgoetz: Uhm, what logs?
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| 04:46 | <McPolo> That has happened to me only when network disconnects.
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| 04:46 | <kgoetz> Megant_: i'm asuming either the clients or servers are logging
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| 04:47 | <Megant_> where would clients log?
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| 04:47 | I guess that i found something from /var/log/messages
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| 04:48 | Gconfd got signal 15
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| 04:48 | or many gconfds
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| 04:49 | about 7 or 8 gconfds got signal at nearly same time
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| 05:26 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 05:27 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:28 | <bip> lamaslany, apt exist for red hat fedora as well google for that ;-)
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| 05:44 | <lamaslany> Thanks bip. Would this result in the need to manage two package databases?
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| 05:44 | <bip> no
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| 05:44 | it should not
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| 05:44 | well u might need to add some specala pat repositoreis
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| 05:44 | if u need some package not in maistream fedora repositories
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| 05:45 | i cannot be more precise because i m a debian user now ...
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| 05:46 | but trust me whan i was using fedora apt was the firt thing i installed into any freshly installed machine lamaslany
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| 06:02 | <Envite> lamaslany: As far as I know, in FC results that apt is an interface to rpm, like it's an interface to dpkg in Debian, so you maintain only one package list. But repositories list is another thing.
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| 06:14 | <lamaslany> Okay; thanks guys.
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| 07:06 | <Envite> Does somebody know or remember where does a workstation get its hostname from?
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| 07:07 | <prpplague> Envite: depends on your boot method iirc
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| 07:08 | Envite: if you are using bootp then its generally set in the bootp config file
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| 07:08 | <prpplague> Envite: for pxe boot there is a section of for that
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| 07:08 | Envite: you should be able to ready the getting started docs
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| 07:08 | Envite: which will include setting up a ltsp client
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| 07:09 | <Envite> it's dhcp
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| 07:10 | <prpplague> dhcp is not a boot method
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| 07:10 | dhcp also you get files and sets ip addresses
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| 07:11 | <Envite> well
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| 07:11 | dhcp gives ip addresses and filenames
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| 07:11 | and tftp gives kernels
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| 07:12 | <prpplague> i would suspect you are probably using pxe as the boot method
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| 07:15 | <Envite> sorry: my laptop battery went out without advertising
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| 07:15 | <prpplague> Envite: np, pxe will use the dhcp server
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| 07:16 | Envite: but pxe is the actual boot method
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| 07:16 | Envite: so if you have a dhcp server configured then you would set the hostname in that config
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| 07:16 | <Envite> ok, I'll see, thx
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| 07:20 | http://pastebot.ltsp.org does not seem to work
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| 07:21 | well, i fixed it
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| 07:21 | prpplague: thanks for your help
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| 07:22 | <prpplague> Envite: np
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| 08:12 | <wizzy> anyone tried pxegrub to boot thin clients?
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| 08:53 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 08:57 | <pipedream> afternoon :-P
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| 09:01 | <pscheie> What? You mean it's not 9am for everyone on the planet? Some people need to get their clocks fixed. ;-)
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| 09:02 | Okay, so is anyone running LTSP servers with 20-25 clients using a single PATA drive in the server?
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| 09:02 | Successfully?
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| 09:03 | There were messages on the K12LTSP list a few years ago from people who had major performance dropoffs when they got past 10 clients.
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| 09:03 | The consensus was that IDE didn't do well past 10 clients.
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| 09:04 | But now I've heard that 'some people' do run more than 10 clients with PATA.
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| 09:04 | <ogra> a few years ago PATA drives were a lot slower ...
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| 09:04 | <pscheie> The IDE spec obviously hasn't stood still in the intervening years.
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| 09:05 | Right, 4500rpm instead of 7200rpm
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| 09:05 | and nowadays they have at least 8MB cache
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| 09:06 | So, is it safe to try to run a classroom server with 15-20 clients using PATA nowadays?
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| 09:06 | I'll be the answer is 'it depends'!
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| 09:07 | <ogra> right ...
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| 09:07 | to be sure i'd use two PATA disks and software raid in striping mode ;)
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| 09:08 | <pscheie> Two drives breaks my budget :-(
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| 09:08 | ...or perhaps not, now that I think about it.
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| 09:10 | The budget for the box is $600. For that I can get a standard box from a local vendor, with 1GB RAM and a PATA drive
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| 09:10 | It needs to support =<10 clients, which it should with no problem.
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| 09:11 | <ogra> well, depends on your desktop ... 1G is quite small for KDE or gnome
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> mornin (afternoon/evening), all
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| 09:11 | !seen jammcq
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot> Gadi: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <jammcq> some benidrill cream would help
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| 09:11 | <Gadi> !seen jammcq_laptop
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| 09:11 | <ltspbot> Gadi: jammcq_laptop was last seen in #ltsp 6 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <jammcq_laptop> find it on your server, and copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/bin
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| 09:11 | <pscheie> But if the teacher wants to add more clients, I'd like it to be just a matter of adding hardware, not replacing
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| 09:11 | morning Gadi
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> ok, which one of you kidnapped jammcq?
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| 09:12 | <ogra> pscheie, you need ~128M per client on the server for a gnome/KDE setup .... ~64M for xfce ... less for smaller desktops like openbox etc
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> pscheie: I still have a star next to your email to remind me to update that audiolist-alsa file ;)
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| 09:13 | perhaps it'll be my New Year's resolution
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| 09:13 | <pscheie> Gadi, what's the most number of clients you've run on a single PATA disk?
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| 09:13 | <Gadi> hmm... most of our clients have scsi boxes
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| 09:13 | specifically PATA or SATA in general?
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| 09:14 | <pscheie> Yeah, scsi would be nice, but it's more than my budget allows right now
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| 09:14 | PATA
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> hmm... even tougher question
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| 09:14 | which drivers are you using?
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| 09:14 | <pscheie> We got an HP Pavillion with SATA for a classroom pilot but while FC5 installs, it hangs at boot
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| 09:14 | <Gadi> SATA's another case where ubuntu's udev system cant make up its mind ;)
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| 09:15 | <ogra> did you try edgy ?
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> pscheie: yeah, thats a driver issue
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| 09:15 | <pscheie> Not yet. I really wanted to stick with K12LTSP 5 just to make the install easier for the school techs
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| 09:15 | <Gadi> ogra: just 'zinging' you a bit, since i know ur listening ;)
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| 09:16 | <pscheie> We have a demo for the teachers tomorrow. We'll probably just use one of my test boxes for it.
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| 09:16 | <ogra> Gadi, :P
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| 09:16 | :)
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> nobody in ubuntu has gotten around to fixing the Adaptec Zero-channel raid bug I posted back in early dapper days (that persists in edgy)
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| 09:17 | <pscheie> It's got a PATA disk, and running eight clients w/Gnome was no problem.
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| 09:17 | <ogra> well, we're looking for kernel devs, if you know someone ;)
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| 09:17 | <Gadi> :P
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| 09:17 | somehow, there are 2 conflicting drivers for RAID, 2 for SATA, ....
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| 09:17 | cant we all just get along?
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| 09:18 | pscheie: on the working system, when you run lsmod, is it using ide_generic?
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| 09:19 | and ide-disk and such?
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| 09:19 | or is it using ata_piix and friends?
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| 09:19 | <pscheie> I can't remember, and I'm not a the box at the moment. ide_generic doesn't ring a bell though
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| 09:19 | I think it was ata_piix
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> does it come up as /dev/hda?
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| 09:20 | or /dev/sda?
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| 09:20 | <pscheie> /dev/sda, at least in rescue mode.
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| 09:20 | That's the problem, it hangs when it says it's probing ide0
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 09:21 | <pscheie> We tried turning off all the PATA pieces in the bios, but the kernel still probes 'em
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> conflicting drivers
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| 09:21 | nah, you need to blacklist drivers
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| 09:21 | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
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| 09:21 | (on Ubuntu)
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| 09:21 | prolly similar in redhat
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| 09:21 | <pscheie> so, something I can pass to GRUB to test?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> or, alternatively, you can change grub to boot off of /dev/hda1
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| 09:22 | that should get you most of the way (tho, you prolly need to modify /etc/fstab as well)
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| 09:23 | see, the problem is the wrong driver gets loaded first on boot
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| 09:23 | so, the second driver (the correcct one) is told that the first one owns the device
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| 09:23 | but the first one created /dev/hda, while the second wants to create /dev/sda
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| 09:24 | and the second is the one that was used in the installer
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> ah, that makes sense. Why does the installer figure it out but not the completed install?
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> heh, or vice versa
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| 09:25 | I have no idea
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> g'morning
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> but its the same issues
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> linux rescue also figures it out.
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> jammcq!!!!
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| 09:25 | <ogra> jammcq, !!
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| 09:25 | <pscheie> morning jammcq
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| 09:25 | <jammcq> ogra: yer back ?
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| 09:25 | recovered from all the travelling?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> yep, busy builind the first feisty milestone CD
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| 09:26 | whats up with whiprush ?
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> heh
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| 09:26 | whiprush seems to be wimprush
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| 09:26 | <ogra> strange, what happened ? i just noticed that he vanished recently
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| 09:26 | (including blog and website)
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> he got pissed cuz things weren't working for him
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| 09:27 | <ogra> hrm ...
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> I think he just had a bad day
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| 09:27 | <ogra> i hope he comes back ... tell him he's missed
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> i'm asking him on jabber now
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| 09:28 | <ogra> btw, i got a working lts.conf parser for the thin-client-configurator ready ... ;)
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> sweet
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| 09:28 | <prpplague> jammcq: hey hey
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> prpplague: hey dude
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| 09:31 | prpplague: where are you hiding these days?
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| 09:31 | <prpplague> jammcq: still in hell
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| 09:32 | jammcq: finally moving back on december 28th
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| 09:32 | jammcq: we ran into a small snag on donna's visa
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> oh? did you get it fixed?
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| 09:32 | <prpplague> jammcq: hopefully get that taken care of soon
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| 09:32 | <jammcq> moving to where? Dallas?
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| 09:33 | <prpplague> jammcq: one of the entry stamps in her passport is smudged, they can't read the dates, so they have to verify the info with DHS
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| 09:33 | jammcq: yea, back to big D
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| 09:48 | <pscheie> Gadi: is ide_generic the PATA driver? that is, will blacklisting that stop it from grabbing the device?
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| 09:49 | I think the SATA driver is sata_nv
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> pscheie: are there any IDE hard drives/CDROMs/other devices or only the PATA?
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| 10:05 | <pscheie> Gadi: There is a DVD/CD drive on the PATA, but we don't need that (aside from during install)
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| 10:05 | I *think* the tech tried disconnecting it
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> then, it is prolly safe to blacklist ide-disk and ide-generic
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| 10:06 | <pscheie> Ok, we'll try those. Thanks.
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| 10:07 | <Gadi> otherwise, you can try not blacklisting anything, and changing the devices in menu.lst and fstab
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| 10:11 | <pscheie> I think grub.conf points to (hd0,0)/dev/some-volume-group/some-logical-volume for /
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| 10:11 | and...I can't remember what fstab points to.
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| 10:15 | <efra> Hi everybody
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| 10:45 | <ao_> hi there
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| 10:45 | i have trouble to get local drives to work with 4.2 and rdesktop
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| 10:46 | does it work at all?
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> ogra: any idea how I can tell the kernel to not load a framebuffer?
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| 11:04 | as a commandline arg
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| 11:08 | <ogra> video=nofb ??
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| 11:08 | no idea, really ... i can just guess
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| 11:13 | <ao_> gadi, afai "nofb" is a boot option itself
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| 11:13 | not a video option to lilo
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| 11:13 | so append just nofb rather than "video=nofb"
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> ah, thx
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| 11:30 | its not completely OT, I am trying to play with the video quality on a thin client booting from EdgyLTSP
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| 12:20 | <mrlinux> need help with thin client
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| 12:20 | the client it self is loading wierd
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| 12:25 | <mrlinux> how do i set up the users for thin client
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| 12:28 | <Envite> Hello all from Spain
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| 12:28 | Hola a todos desde España
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> Envite: buenas dias!
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| 12:29 | er... buenos dias .. or something :)
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| 12:30 | <Envite> buenos días
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| 12:30 | o buenas tardes ;)
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| 12:30 | it's evening here
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| 12:31 | <mrlinux> how do i set up the users
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> mrlinux: what distro?
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| 12:32 | <pscheie> mrlinux: just create accounts for them on the server
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| 12:32 | e.g. useradd
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> or adduser
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| 12:32 | depending...
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| 12:32 | <mrlinux> edubuntu
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| 12:32 | give me example
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> mrlinux: probably use the GUI user interface, or adduser.
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| 12:34 | <pscheie> vagrantc: how do you do that, put a comment in such that a * appears on the left instead of your id?
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| 12:35 | <Envite> it's an action
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| 12:35 | uses IRC commands
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| 12:35 | <mrlinux> done nvm i fix it
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| 12:36 | <pscheie> so, is there a syntax for that, or is access to such irc commands a function of the irc client?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> vagrantc, ?
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| 12:39 | ah, i see
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| 12:47 | vagrantc, whats that strange split of update-inetd into a separate package in debian ?
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| 12:51 | <Envite> pscheie: to type an irc command, simply put its name after a bar
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| 12:51 | like /join #ltsp
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| 12:53 | * pscheie goes to lookup irc commands | |
| 12:53 | <pscheie> ;-)
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| 12:53 | tx envite
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| 12:55 | <dberkholz> i've never heard a slash called a bar before
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| 12:56 | interesting how names differ
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| 12:56 | <ogra> a bar in the wind ...
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| 12:57 | <dberkholz> hoping to find some time for ltsp over winter break, maybe starting next thursday
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| 12:57 | i've just got too much crap on my todo list
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| 13:15 | <mrlinux> why does firefox close when loading flash on a client
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| 13:17 | help
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> hey, is there some specific ssh config needed for EdgyLTSP, because I can ltsp-update-sshkeys till Im blue in the face, and it still gives me the unknown host prompt when I attempt to ssh from the terminal shell
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| 13:46 | perhaps hostbasedauthentication or strictmodes or some such?
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| 14:12 | <cliebow_> maybe boats haste autrhentication
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's so that multiple inetd's can all use the same program.
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| 14:55 | ogra: not that you have multiple inetd's installed at once... but they all have the same interface for updating inetd configurations.
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| 14:56 | ogra: are you.... merging our branches? :)
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| 14:56 | <ogra> i'm just finishing the first milestone CD (thats all i managed after travelling half the world yet)
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 14:57 | <ogra> if thats released i'll start working on the branches and merges
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> cool. :)
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| 14:57 | <ogra> (tomorrow)
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| 19:23 | <cliebow> J45p3r: i got it running on the laptop
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| 19:23 | if i cana figger out ehat i did
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| 19:58 | <cliebow> PMantis:you old dog..how is it going..ldaap being copacetic now?
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| 19:59 | <PMantis> Heh, yeah
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| 19:59 | Working well.
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| 19:59 | So, *who* you calling a dog?
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| 20:05 | <cliebow> well i didnt specify whaat sort..
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| 20:19 | <rjune> hey all
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| 20:19 | hiya PMantis
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| 20:19 | <PMantis> Hey rjune
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| 20:20 | Whusssabbbi
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| 20:20 | <rjune> namuch
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| 20:37 | <rjune> how are things going with you?
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| 20:48 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 20:50 | <chupacabra> yo
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| 21:31 | <bga> Hi Jim, you on-line?
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| 21:41 | <chupacabra> hehe
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| 21:49 | <edgarin> Hello
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| 22:21 | <edgarin> Hello jammcq
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> edgarin: buenas noches.
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| 22:24 | <edgarin> vagrantc, que tal como estas?
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| 22:25 | <vagrantc> edgarin: esta bien. yo come enchiladas y vegetales verde por cena.
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| 22:26 | edgarin: vino rosa(rasado?), tambien.
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| 22:26 | <edgarin> vagrantc, si puedes decir rosado
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| 22:27 | excelente!
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> edgarin: pero, hoy yo necesito buscar por trabahar... no me gusta.
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| 23:14 | <Capricorn^80> hi
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| 23:14 | anyone there
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| 23:14 | to help me regarding mouting of usb problems
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| 23:16 | <X-CRiPt51> hello good evening
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| 23:16 | im building a diskless terminal, using debian, (NFS+dhcp+tftp)
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| 23:17 | everything fine, except for the message "init:5 respawing too fast"
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| 23:17 | "init no more process in this runlevel", then i couldnt login
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| 23:18 | <felipe_> any idea...
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| 23:18 | ?
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| 23:25 | <felipe_> good evening sbartleylinux
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