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Channel log from 5 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:16 | <dante> hi
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| 06:16 | I need some help on FUSE (lbussd)
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| 06:17 | it isnt starting and when i manually try to run it I get "Couldn't establish a connection to :9202: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname ':9202'"
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| 06:18 | anyone?
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> morning, all
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| 08:57 | anyone know a way to ask a system about *memory* speed ?
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| 08:57 | <ogra> dmidecode ?
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> ogra: ur a beautiful person
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| 08:58 | erally
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| 08:59 | you truly are
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| 08:59 | <ogra> not sure it shows the speed, but its the deepest level of info you can get about the ram
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> ogra: while I have you here. In any of ur deployments of UbuntuLTSP (edgy), have you ever had a user capable of hibernating the server from his/her session?
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| 09:05 | * Gadi has someone testing edgyLTSP in an environment | |
| 09:05 | <Gadi> complained that the server kept crashing
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| 09:05 | looked in the logs and a user was hibernating the box
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| 09:05 | lol
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| 09:06 | <ogra> thats not possible in edgy
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| 09:07 | it was in dapper though
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| 09:07 | but gome-power-manager is triggered by ldm to not allow it in edgy
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| 09:08 | <moquist> ogra: I'm still troubleshooting USB sticks under Edubuntu edgy. If it's supposed to "just work" it isn't...any pointers?
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| 09:10 | <Gadi> thats what i thought
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| 09:10 | which is why i was surprised
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| 09:10 | is there any kind of applet that could be added by a user to circumvent it?
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| 09:10 | <ogra> moquist, did you see the bottom of https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices and follow it ?
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| 09:11 | <moquist> So I've looked at /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/udev/add_fstab_entry and it makes me think step one is to get a TTY on the thin client.
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| 09:11 | ogra: not yet. I'll see and follow it now. :)
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| 09:11 | <ogra> Gadi, nope, g-p-m is 100% responsible for hibernaitn in edgy/gnome
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| 09:11 | moquist, its likely that yoour user isnt in the fuse group
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| 09:12 | we dont switch it on by default for every user, jammcq said he had users concerned about security before when enabling localdev by default
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| 09:12 | <Gadi> hmm... then, someone must have done it at the server itself....
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| 09:16 | <ogra> moquist, edsadmin has hardcoded python2.3 shebang lines btw ... and a wrong copyright file ...
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| 09:16 | i just fixed that ... mark needs to merge it upstream ....
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| 09:17 | oh207, and a lot of the edsadmin functions are obsolete in python2.5 ... they need to be replaced to avoid a ton of warnngs
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| 09:29 | <joebaker> ogra: I recall you saying yesterday that you prefer using the kubuntu-desktop in an LTSP deployment rather than ubuntu-desktop. Am I correct? I've just installed Ubuntu Edgy using the alternate install cd (so I could get LVM on top of RAID). So now I could just install kubuntu-desktop. Sorry, I'll be stepping away from the computer for a while.
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| 09:30 | <ogra> joebaker, i dont use KDE anywhere
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| 09:30 | (didnt do so since KDE 1.2)
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| 09:30 | <joebaker> ogra: sorry.
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| 09:30 | I read it somewhere here on LTSP that it was somebody's preference.
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| 09:31 | Gnome works fine for your LTSP needs then?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> but indeed, if you install kubuntu-desktop on to of an ubuntu system it wil turn into a KDE system
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| 09:31 | <joebaker> Choices are great!
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| 09:31 | <ogra> gnome works fine, yes
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| 09:31 | and KDE does too ;)
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| 09:31 | <joebaker> I like the colors of the default Ubuntu Gnome themes.
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| 09:33 | <moquist> ogra: yep. This was my first ever work in Python, so I didn't touch the shebangs. :) Send me your updated source? (unless you already did)
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| 09:33 | <ogra> i'm waiting until one of our archive admins checked it in case they find more
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| 09:34 | but i'll send the two patches i added and the debdiff as soon as i know everyhing is fixed
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| 09:35 | <moquist> ogra: cool
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| 09:36 | ogra: thx for the wiki page. I just need to run the user/group admin tool.
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| 09:36 | <ogra> we schuld cobsider a bzr branch ...
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| 09:36 | * moquist nods | |
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| 09:39 | <moquist> ogra: what's the next step for the edubuntu-auth-server?
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| 09:39 | <ogra> smbldap and our metapackage is the next part
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| 09:39 | i'll attack it if edsadmin is through
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| 09:39 | * moquist nods | |
| 09:40 | <ogra> (have to do a lot of maintenance work aside here atm ... ltsp merges etc)
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| 09:44 | <moquist> ogra: I'm happy to do what I can. The metapackage will consist (only? primarily?) of a deps list and a postinst file, right?
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| 09:45 | <ogra> yep
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| 09:45 | and likely some debconf vars
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| 09:45 | so you can preseed the values for the variables in the postinst
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| 09:46 | * moquist nods but doesn't really know how debconf works | |
| 09:48 | <ogra> it has a database where it stores the key->value pairs ... and a template system for questions ...
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| 09:49 | for preseeding we need to grab the right keys from other packages and put our desired values in ... that about it
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| 09:57 | <efra> Morning everybody
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| 10:03 | <moquist> efra: mornin'
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| 10:04 | ogra: I added my user to the fuse group, logged out and back in, inserted USB key, and...no joy. :(
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| 10:05 | <ogra> but you're usig a default edubuntu ?
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| 10:05 | <moquist> yep. edgy.
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| 10:05 | <ogra> from the default installer ? or did you install ltsp separately ?
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| 10:05 | <moquist> LOCALDEV is turned on in /opt/.../lts.conf, and I didn't put that there.
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| 10:05 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 10:05 | hmm, then it shold simply work
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| 10:06 | <moquist> If I can figure out how to enable a TTY I'll start debugging it.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 10:06 | <moquist> Or I could install sshd in the TC root and get in that way, I suppose.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> then switch to tty1 on the client and log in as root
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| 10:06 | if you are done sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l
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| 10:07 | <moquist> how does setting the root passwd enable a TTY? there's no login prompt there now.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> there must be at least one tty, eles you would have been able to boot
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| 10:07 | *wouldnt
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| 10:07 | * moquist nods | |
| 10:08 | <ogra> usually tty1 is there ...
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| 10:08 | weird if it isnt ...
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| 10:08 | <moquist> that makes sense, but CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't go to a TTY.
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| 10:08 | * moquist keeps trying stuff | |
| 10:08 | <moquist> Eh... so it *does* on the TC next to me.
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| 10:08 | <ogra> any messages in the server logs ?
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| 10:08 | since edgy we log to the server logs by default from the client
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| 10:09 | look for the clients IP
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| 10:09 | <moquist> I think my use of ion2 on this TC is messing with the display. :)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:09 | well, i havent used ion with ltsp yet :)
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| 10:09 | <moquist> This is my first time. :-D
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| 10:09 | It's my first time administering an Ubuntu LTSP system -- I made the switch yesterday.
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| 10:10 | So far so good.
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| 10:10 | <ogra> whee :)
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| 10:10 | nice news :)
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| 10:10 | * moquist throws his arms in the air | |
| 10:10 | <moquist> ...out of joy, not despair. :)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:11 | so check if there are cdpinger and ltspfsd running on the client
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| 10:11 | <moquist> Oooo - more help! Thx.
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| 10:11 | * moquist checks | |
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| 10:11 | <moquist> both are running.
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| 10:11 | <ogra> ok
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| 10:12 | is /var/run/drives or /var/run/.drives there ?
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| 10:12 | and if you plug something in does a directory get created ?
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| 10:12 | <moquist> /var/run/drives is there
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| 10:12 | I'll unplug and replug
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| 10:13 | <ogra> do you see the device in /etc/fstab after plugging it in ?
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| 10:14 | <moquist> no. I'm wondering if this TC sucks.
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| 10:14 | <ogra> hmm
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| 10:14 | <moquist> cat /proc/partitions is empty
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| 10:14 | that certainly seems wrong
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| 10:14 | <ogra> does it hav any weird kind of controller ?
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| 10:15 | <moquist> I don't think the TC knows about the USB device.
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| 10:15 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:15 | <moquist> ogra: right. That's what I'm going to check now.
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| 10:15 | Eh, no usb mentioned in lspci or dmesg. That bodes poorly.
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| 10:16 | <ogra> bios ?
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| 10:16 | <moquist> no idea.
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| 10:16 | <ogra> usually its detected fine if a kernel module exists for the controller
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| 10:16 | <moquist> You know...these TCs have NT embedded. NT didn't ever support USB. Maybe the manufacturers didn't actually enable it, or maybe there's no controller at all.
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| 10:17 | <ogra> cat you get into the bios to change it ?
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| 10:17 | * moquist goes to test on some better TCs | |
| 10:17 | * moquist finds out | |
| 10:17 | <moquist> ha ha! there's a password on the bios.
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| 10:19 | <ogra> fun
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| 10:21 | <moquist> yeah, we bought this on ebay.
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| 10:21 | * moquist pulls out the Phillips-head bios-resetter | |
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| 10:27 | <moquist> yep, usb shows up now that I enabled it in the bios.
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| 10:29 | ogra: yay happy!
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| 10:30 | <ogra> great !
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| 10:30 | <moquist> ogra: Now we just need to remove...160 screws, reseat 40 CMOS batteris, and replace 160 screws. No problem.
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| 10:30 | * moquist sticks out his tongue at the former owners | |
| 10:30 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:31 | <moquist> ogra: Do you know if there's a way to say that everybody's in a certain group without explicitly listing each user?
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| 10:31 | I'll probably just create an LDAP group with everybody, and we'll have to add each new user to it. *shrug*
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| 10:31 | <ogra> only scripts ...
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| 10:32 | * moquist nods | |
| 10:32 | <ogra> i dont know a specific command for that
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| 10:32 | <moquist> just checking. :)
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| 10:32 | ogra: Is that a better approach than trying to change it so that group 513 instead of 115 (fuse) is the relevant one for local devices?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> well ... both should work ...
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| 10:33 | but you will need to switch the device nodes to be in 513
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| 10:34 | <moquist> in udev?
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| 10:41 | <ogra> nope
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| 10:42 | i think a reboot will suffice ... udev uses the group name ...
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| 10:43 | just checked
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| 10:46 | <moquist> OK, so if I change udev to use group 513 (Domain Users) instead of group 115 (fuse), then that would be enough.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> no
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| 10:49 | <moquist> I'm confused then.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> you likely need to change the group in /etc/groups t be 513
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| 10:49 | udev uses the groupname ...
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| 10:49 | not the number....
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| 10:50 | <moquist> yep. So changing udev to use a different group name would also work then, right?
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| 10:50 | <ogra> right
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| 10:50 | <moquist> Ok. I'd rather change /etc/group, though. Good idea. :)
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> moquist: is ur goal just to have everyobody be ableto use localdev?
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| 10:50 | <moquist> Gadi: yes.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> the proper solution would likely be to have ldap access already in initramfs so you dont need the local groups at all
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> why not just: change udev perms to 666 and chmod a+x /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 10:51 | <ogra> we'll always have this problem with udev and ldap ... in other areas as well
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> should work like a charm
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| 10:51 | <ogra> and rips a cecurity holw like a 5kg cheddar into your system
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| 10:52 | *hole
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> oh, please
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| 10:52 | <moquist> Gadi: sure, that would be fine, too. Or I could just change the gid of 'fuse' to 513. :)
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| 10:52 | Speaking of security, we're actually exporting /home to 10.11.*.* here.
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> all the criminal fusermount exploits out there
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| 10:53 | * moquist looks around nervously now that he's admitted it out loud | |
| 10:53 | <ogra> with the current fuse setup no user can see or access local devs of others ... if you chmod to 666 or change fusermount to a+x i suspect thats not given anymore
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> ?
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| 10:53 | why not?
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| 10:53 | <ogra> currently not even root can look into your devices ;)
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| 10:53 | <Gadi> its done by group to begin with
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| 10:53 | thats on the ltspfs level
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| 10:54 | it shouldnt change that at all
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| 10:54 | <ogra> nope, on the fuse level
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| 10:54 | <moquist> isn't it enough to change /etc/group and restart udev?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> (below ltspfs)
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| 10:54 | no
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| 10:54 | restarting udev wont help, you need to reboot to have the devices newly created
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| 10:54 | <Gadi> but changing dev prems or fusermount perms to all instead of group shouldnt allow users to see each others stuff
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| 10:55 | <ogra> i'm not sure about that ... but you might be right ... apart from that it shouldnt matter for thin clients, you are right here ...
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| 10:56 | (simply because we dont have access anabled to the client at all
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| 10:56 | )
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| 10:56 | *enabled
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> I do agree that an ldap way of doing it would be nice
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| 10:57 | <ogra> well
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| 10:57 | its a bit tricky....
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> of course, you could add a fuse group to ldap with the same uid
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| 10:57 | <ogra> if your ldap server is local you got a problem accessing it from initramfs
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> and then add all users to the ldap fuse group
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| 10:57 | s/uid/gid/
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| 10:57 | <ogra> but for remote ldap that should work ...
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| 10:58 | <moquist> Gadi: I created an LDAP fuse group, but I'm opting to change /etc/group rather than continue in that direction. Everybody's already in our group 513.
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| 10:58 | <Gadi> initramfs can use the local fue group
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| 10:58 | moquist: but, then you have to make a change on any new server you put in
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| 10:59 | having an ldap group "fuse", you just drop in the server
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| 10:59 | <moquist> Gadi: Yes, I have to make one small change per server, instead of adding every user to the stupid LDAP fuse group. Urg.
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| 10:59 | <ogra> Gadi, i would not want to use local groups at all in the initramfs case ...
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| 10:59 | <Gadi> you can smbldap-useradd -u 153 fuse
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| 10:59 | or some such
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| 11:00 | <moquist> Gadi: ? that didn't make sense. why would I want to add a user named fuse? :)
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> ogra: wait, initramfs for what? local dev?
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| 11:00 | moquist: right, group
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| 11:00 | <ogra> i.e. using local groups only for local tasks, i.e. single user mode ... but not touching them at all if ldap is enable
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| 11:00 | <moquist> Gadi: I did 'smbldap-groupadd -g 115 fuse' and then deleted it before adding all the users.
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| 11:00 | <Gadi> its friday :P
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| 11:00 | <moquist> :)
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| 11:01 | <ogra> so you dont need to care about divertion
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| 11:01 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:02 | <ogra> but as i said, that cant work with a locally rinning slapd ... unless you make it run in initramfs already .... which is ugly and evil
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| 11:02 | <Gadi> very evil
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| 11:03 | better to just have a check for diversion ;)
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| 11:03 | <ogra> where ?
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| 11:03 | in passwd ?
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| 11:04 | i'd rather unify the database instead of hacking the tools
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| 11:04 | <Gadi> well, ur basically concerned with ldap system groups having diff gids than local system groups, right?
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| 11:04 | <ogra> not only, no
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| 11:05 | there are a lot of syste related users in an ubuntu system ...
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| 11:05 | so its more than groups
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> right - so same with system users/ldap system users
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| 11:05 | <ogra> right
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| 11:05 | <Gadi> so, you can have a check when slapd comes up
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| 11:06 | maybe
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| 11:06 | actuall, no
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| 11:06 | you can have just another service on boot
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| 11:06 | that checks
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| 11:06 | and pops up a warning
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| 11:06 | <Gadi> and reconciles
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| 11:06 | <ogra> well
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> can even tell you from nsswitch.conf which will be used
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| 11:07 | <ogra> how ? if i'm in initramfs where for example udev needs the groups and users i have no access to a possible locally running slapd ...
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| 11:08 | there is no filesystem access possible at that point
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| 11:08 | <samhob> hello friends!
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> why does initramfs need ldap access at all?
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| 11:08 | <ogra> udev needs the groups ...
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| 11:08 | <samhob> i have a question: how can i see videos on my X terminal ?
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| 11:09 | can i remotely use the mplayer installed on my server machine ?
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| 11:09 | <Gadi> how does it currently work?
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| 11:09 | <ogra> it uses /etc/grups and /etc/password ... compressed into initramfs during build time
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| 11:10 | <Gadi> so, I would assume that the local system user/groups are the good ones. and if there's diversion, it is ldap that is wrong
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| 11:10 | so, keep using system user/groups in initramfs
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| 11:10 | and reconcile ldap in the OS
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| 11:10 | <ogra> that still doesnt solve it
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| 11:11 | i want *one single source*
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| 11:11 | instead of working around the problem in multiple areas
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> just one area
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| 11:11 | :)
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| 11:11 | <ogra> well ...
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| 11:12 | additionally i cant guarantee the groups and password fils are up to date with the system ...
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| 11:12 | the ones in initramfs are only snapshots when the initramfs was built
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| 11:13 | i.e. we already have three sources
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> yeah, but initramfs has what it needs (which isnt much) and mkinitramfs would reconcile it
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| 11:15 | and u can assume that the initramfs source is good at build
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| 11:15 | so, its still only 2 sources
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 12:38 | changes to xorg dependencies introduced RC bugs in ltsp :(
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| 12:38 | in debian
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| 12:38 | <ogra> yeah, i saw your bug
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| 12:38 | why did they set these weird deps in X ? we dont have it ...
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> because of a bug in aptitude.
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| 12:39 | <ogra> just put the -video-all package in early packages ;)
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> it's easy enough to fix- we just have to add -input-all and -video-all to the list of packages to install. but it's obnoxious.
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| 12:39 | <ogra> oyu need them all anyway
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 12:39 | it was downgraded from grave to important...
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| 12:40 | <ogra> why are you guys using aptitude anyway :)
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| 12:40 | btw apart from the intscripts all your changes are merged in feisty and mainline
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> i like a lot of things with aptitude. the handling of package dependencies are pretty easy.
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| 12:41 | <ogra> the initscripts still eed some cleanup ...
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| 12:41 | like they are with apt :) at least since two or three versions ...
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| 12:41 | <vagrantc> er, the handling of dependencies that get pulled in but are not explicitly requested is awesome.
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| 12:41 | i've never once seen apt remove a package that was no longer depended on.
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| 12:42 | <ogra> apt-get autoremove ;)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> it doesn't do that automatically...
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| 12:42 | <ogra> apt has also a mode to install recommends alongside ....
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| 12:43 | no, indeed it doesnt ... i would freak out if a package tool would do that just because i have development libs installed nothing depends n
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> yeah, but it's easy to say "acually, i want these"
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| 12:43 | really easy.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> what do you think about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/64629 ?
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| 12:43 | <vagrantc> i like it. but anyways. the matter at hand is we have an RC bug on ltsp that needs fixing.
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| 12:44 | <ogra> well, i'd lust go the early_packages route
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> definitely. i just have to find someone to upload.
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| 12:45 | <ogra> oh ....
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| 12:46 | 64629 is fixed already ... when was the /. introduced in that find command .... thats nice :)
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| 12:50 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, hi
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: hi.
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| 12:51 | tiagovaz: i need to report and upload a fix for an RC bug in ltsp :(
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| 12:51 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, I have some questions
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| 12:51 | vagrantc, about some missing packages in ltsp client tree
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| 12:52 | <ogra> missing packages ?
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| 12:52 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, what kind of problem did you find?
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| 12:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/73807 thats a funny one ;)
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| 12:53 | <tiagovaz> ogra, I've installed ltsp in different servers and clients last days
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| 12:53 | * ogra is going through all these ltsp bugs today to fix them :) ) | |
| 12:53 | <tiagovaz> ogra, and for all I had to install x-server-xorg modules
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| 12:53 | <ogra> tiagovaz, thats fine, what packages are missing from the chrrot ?
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| 12:54 | tiagovaz, ah, so you are on debian and use vagrants package
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| 12:54 | thats exactly the bug he's talking about
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| 12:54 | <tiagovaz> ogra, hmm
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| 12:54 | vagrantc, eheh then it's your business ehehe
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| 12:54 | <ogra> tiagovaz, chroot into the client environment and install xserver-xorg-video-all
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| 12:55 | and xserver-xorg-input-all
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| 12:55 | that should solve it
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| 12:55 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, ogra input-mouse, input-kbd and vesa
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| 12:55 | ogra, right, does it include card video modules also?
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| 12:56 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:56 | xserver-xorg-video-all installs all video drivers
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| 12:56 | input-all likewise for the input drivers
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: i think it's my RC bug you're talking about
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| 12:58 | <tiagovaz> ogra, nice, I was installing one by one :<
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| 12:59 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, good
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: you can add those to the list of packages by making a plugin in /etc/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/000-extra-packages
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| 13:00 | tiagovaz: you can copy /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/000-basic-configuration as a template ...
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| 13:01 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, nice, I've forgot about the plugins
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: yes.
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| 13:01 | tiagovaz: or, you could jus use /etc/ltsp/plugis/ltsp-build-client/000-basic-packages
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| 13:01 | and just add the packages.
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| 13:05 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, thanks
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| 13:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, is there any reason to keep the functions in the initscripts ? i think they can be dropped
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| 13:05 | (after modularization i mean)
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| 13:05 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, I've been a lot of problems with xdebconfigurator
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| 13:06 | <ogra> ubuntus dexconf/xserver-xorg postinst is far better, but lacking a third of te functionallity of xdebconfigurator ...
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| 13:06 | <vagrantc> ogra: if we properly implement start/stop, we'll want them as functions
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| 13:06 | <ogra> the next xorg will solve that completely though
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| 13:07 | vagrantc, well, currently you are having a defined fnction you just call at the end of the plugin ...
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| 13:07 | the start/stop will be handled by the initscript and not the plugin, or am i wrong ?
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, well, i know we will likely want the functions later, and it was the quickest way to implement it without breaking everything.
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| 13:08 | <ogra> right
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, the plugins are part of the init script
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| 13:08 | <ogra> dont you just source the plugin files ?
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| 13:09 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 13:09 | i don't know. i have no attention for anything other than fixing this RC bug in ltsp right now.
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| 13:09 | <ogra> yeah, go ahead ...
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| 13:10 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, is there any way to create 'static' xorg conf files?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> everybody always tells me i'm in the uploaders list for ltsp and should be able to upload to debian ... arent you in there as well, it should work for you too ...
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| 13:10 | <ogra> tiagovaz, XF86CONFIG_FILE=
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| 13:11 | set that in lts.conf with a relative path (relative to /opt/ltsp/i386)
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> i think it's just XF86CONFIG
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| 13:11 | but look in the code to be sure.
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| 13:11 | <tiagovaz> ogra, thanks
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: the uploaders list only determines weather it's an NMU or not.
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| 13:12 | <ogra> (there is /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/exaples ... containig a list with parameters (at least in ubuntu. dunno if vagrant took that file for debian)
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: i still need to get a gpg signature from someone in the gpg keyring
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| 13:12 | <ogra> meh
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| 13:18 | <tiagovaz> does ltsp read lts.conf before trying xdeconfigurator?
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: yes
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| 13:19 | well, sort of
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| 13:19 | <tiagovaz> thnx
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: it won't do the xdebconfiguration stuff if you define XF86CONFIG
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| 13:19 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, :)
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| 13:20 | <ogra> unless you changed that in debian specifically, its XF86CONFIG_FILE btw
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| 13:22 | <g333k_work> Hi, have somebody installed Fl_TeacherTool in a ubuntu ltsp server? ?
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| 13:22 | <ogra> wont work (unless they rewrote it for ssh instead of X)
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| 13:23 | use student-control-panel
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| 13:23 | <g333k_work> ogra, really?
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| 13:24 | <ogra> yes, student-control-panel is written specifically for ltsp5 in ubuntu
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| 13:26 | ltsp5 in ubuntu doesnt use XDMCP at all, but all teachertool like implementations rely on XDMCP
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| 13:27 | and so far nobody patched the other teachertools to work woth ssh forwarded connections ...
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| 13:28 | <g333k_work> ogra, I loaded student-control-panel, but I cant see the list of my clients.... it appears empy, why?
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| 13:29 | <ogra> which ubuntu version do you use ? before edgy S-C-P wasnt working right
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| 13:29 | (edgy was a major change for ltsp and all the tools in ubuntu)
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| 13:33 | <rxd> is ltsp wireless connection possible?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> not yet
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> !wireless
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| 13:35 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah, yes. XF86CONFIG_File
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| 13:36 | er, tr 'a-z' 'A-Z'
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| 13:36 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, could you give a short documentation about the plugins order in next package version?
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: look in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/plugins
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| 13:36 | <ogra> i wonder how they handle WEP, WPA and the ESSID in that old lan thing
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: :)
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| 13:37 | <ogra> s/lan/wlan
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| 13:38 | thats the only thing keeping me from implementing wlan in ubuntu ltsp ;) you just need wlan support in the initramfs ... but you still need these values to set it up ...
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| 13:38 | <W^^harddd^^> y pastebot.ltsp.org is not working ?
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| 13:38 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, nice!
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^: no, it is not.
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| 13:39 | <W^^harddd^^> y ?
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| 13:39 | i have to paste some thing . i really need some help regarding UsB mouting
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| 13:39 | mounting *
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| 13:39 | <rxd> i tried installing ltsp on my notebook an i have connected to my AP on eth1, i tried connecting from my wired desktop to my AP using PXE and quite working well
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^: you could post to pastebin.ca and then post the URL here, i think.
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| 13:40 | W^^harddd^^: it's not working because it is broken :P
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| 13:41 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ works as well :)
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| 13:41 | <W^^harddd^^> ok
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| 13:42 | <rxd> 2 DHCP server on the AP and on the ltsp notebook the wired desktop won't boot but switching off the dhcp on the AP works
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| 13:43 | how can i get 2 DHCP server both on the AP and on the wireless ltsp notebook work
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| 13:43 | <W^^harddd^^> plz check it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/ . i have mail to sbalneav@ltsp.org last week . but no reply yet
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| 13:43 | n i need help on this
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| 13:44 | <ogra> sblneav is very very busy at work atm ...
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| 13:45 | <W^^harddd^^> yea some one told me that
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| 13:45 | i hope someone else can help me
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| 13:48 | <ogra> vagrantc, while i see the "cat /etc/version" in that paste ... what about echoing the major version into /etc/ltsp_chroot (i.e. currently ltsp 5pre) ... i thought bout that before ...
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| 13:49 | would be good to have a source we can easily get the chroot version from for debugging ...
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| 13:49 | the big danger of muecow is that chroots stay unmaintained while the server itself gets regulary updated
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: "cat /etc/version" in what paste?
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| 13:50 | <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/
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| 13:51 | its one of the commands scottie uses often for debugging
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: i put data into /etc/ltsp_chroot
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| 13:51 | <ogra> (and its in the 4.x localdev debugging notes)
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| 13:51 | really ? what do you put in there ? i only touch it
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> but i guess not version info yet ...
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| 13:51 | echo LTSP_CHROOT=$ROOT
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| 13:52 | i thought about putting version info in there, but couldn't figure out a standardized way of doing it.
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| 13:52 | <ogra> oh207, my chroot is old
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| 13:52 | i merged that patch from you ...
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| 13:52 | we'd need to hardcode it ...
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> we should put hooks into cron-apt and the likes to update chroots
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| 13:53 | <ogra> well
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| 13:53 | <W^^harddd^^> ogra n vagrantc : u saw that paste ?
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| 13:53 | <ogra> we should have an option to do so ..
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| 13:53 | <W^^harddd^^> wat do u think about the problem ?
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, i thought about putting a VERSION=5.0/muekow or something in there
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| 13:54 | <ogra> vagrantc, sounds fine ...
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> ogra: currently, the lack of /etc/version and presence of /etc/ltsp_chroot provides some troubleshooting
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| 13:54 | <ogra> right
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| 13:55 | <ogra> but an easy way that would have told me that i'm currently using an old version here wuld have been nice :)
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| 13:55 | <W^^harddd^^^> sorry i got d/c
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| 13:55 | * vagrantc did not expect to see such significant changes post-freeze. | |
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| 13:55 | <ogra> which freeze ?
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| 13:55 | <W^^harddd^^^> u ppl found some problem in my post or not ?
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| 13:55 | <ogra> and which changes ?
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's called "dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ltsp-client"
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| 13:56 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> ogra: the etch freeze ... the changes mentioned in that bug report against xserver-xorg i just posted.
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| 13:56 | <ogra> right ... but the lack of content in /etc/ltsp_chroot was also a good indicator and didnt even involve a database ;)
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| 13:57 | vagrantc, well, but youre fix i trivial ... its just an uploader thats missing ... shall i look in the ubuntu crowd to find someone to do an NMU for us ?
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| 13:57 | s/i/is/
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| 13:57 | <W^^harddd^^^> hello sir : can anyone pay attention to my post . http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/570/
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| 13:57 | <ogra> we have enough DDs around to find one
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i talked to otavio and he wants me to post to debian-devel ... and he's basically going to be my sponsor, so working around him would probably not be good
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| 13:59 | <ogra> well, but then you are set already, arent you ?
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| 13:59 | otavio will surely shw up before release so you get the upload done
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| 13:59 | * vagrantc does not want to wait for a discussion on debian-devel | |
| 13:59 | <ogra> yeah thats a bit odd
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> it's a list i'm not subscribed to, and i actually need to go do other things this next week
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| 14:00 | <ogra> what shall that be about ? reverting the xorg change ?
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> i guess.
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| 14:00 | <ogra> or adding your new stuff to the package
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> no, the xorg change.
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| 14:00 | <ogra> well, your suggestion on the bug sounds quite sane ...
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| 14:01 | <W^^harddd^^^> hmmmmmmm
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> ogra: which bug? there's now three bugs involved in this issue ...
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| 14:01 | <ogra> and the problem is really in xorg and not in ltsp even you can easily work around it
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: looks like your $DISPLAY variable is different than your terminal's hostname.
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| 14:02 | <W^^harddd^^^> no its not . wait let me check again
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| 14:02 | its Ws117
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: display is set to Ws117.ltsp:0.0 , whereas hostname is just Ws117
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| 14:03 | W^^harddd^^^: it should be Ws117.ltsp or something like that.
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| 14:03 | <W^^harddd^^^> ok
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| 14:03 | <g333k_work> ogra, I 'm using edgy
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: but i don't really understand ltsp 4.2 or use K12ltsp, so i can't help you much more than that.
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| 14:04 | <W^^harddd^^^> well the idea is same .. its not about k12ltsp
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| 14:04 | <g333k_work> ogra, I'm using ubuntu edgy and The the list of my clients in S-C-P appears empy, why?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: well, the code for localdevices is VERY different in the LTSP i work with.
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| 14:05 | <ogra> g333k_work, with ubuntus ltsp-server-stadalone package ?
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| 14:05 | <g333k_work> ogra, nope
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| 14:05 | <ogra> or with ltsp4.2 fron ltsp.org
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| 14:05 | <g333k_work> ogra, I'm using ltsp 4.2
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| 14:05 | <ogra> ah, ok ... i wasnt expecting that ...
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| 14:05 | <W^^harddd^^^> vagrantc: check the step 10 : it says: The bit before the colon (the hostname part) must EXACTLY match the hostname
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| 14:05 | <ogra> then scp wont work
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| 14:06 | use the teachertool ...
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| 14:06 | <W^^harddd^^^> so ws117 is matching
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: no. Ws117.ltsp
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| 14:06 | <ogra> as i said before s-c-p is specifically written for ltsp5 on ubuntu
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> "Ws117" != "Ws117.ltsp"
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| 14:06 | <W^^harddd^^^> hmm
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| 14:07 | so wat should i do now ?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> colon == : ....
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| 14:07 | : != .
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| 14:07 | ;)
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| 14:07 | <g333k_work> ogra, I cant compile teachertool. are there a deb pkg?
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 14:07 | <g333k_work> is there*
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| 14:07 | <ogra> no idea ...
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: find someone who knows how to fix it? (i.e. not me)
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| 14:07 | <W^^harddd^^^> <ogra> no idea ... : thats for me
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| 14:07 | <ogra> why cant you compile it ?
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| 14:07 | W^^harddd^^^, nope that was for g333k_work
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| 14:08 | <W^^harddd^^^> vagrantc : thats y i m here
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| 14:08 | where should i go ? :(
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: maybe post to the k12ltsp list(s) ?
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| 14:08 | <W^^harddd^^^> n wats that ?
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| 14:09 | <ogra> W^^harddd^^^, you can only wait for sbalneav to be finished with switching his organization to ubuntu edgy and a new software ... he'll come back if he's done but it might take some time still
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: the mailing lists for the distribution that you said you were using.
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| 14:09 | <g333k_work> ogra, Fl_TeacherTool.cxx:35:19: error: FL/Fl.H:The directory or file doesnt exist
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| 14:09 | <ogra> i only worked n the ubuntu ltspfs implementation which is totally different
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: i don't know where they are, since i don't use k12ltsp, but i know they exist.
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| 14:09 | <g333k_work> ogra, well maybe is time to move on to ltsp5
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| 14:09 | <W^^harddd^^^> ogra: the problem is that my users are really stuck by this
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| 14:09 | as they have to use there usb's
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| 14:10 | <ogra> g333k_work, sudo apt-get install libfltk1.1-dev ;)
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| 14:10 | <W^^harddd^^^> so i have to solve this out quickly
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| 14:10 | <ogra> g333k_work, but i'd really recommend using ltsp5 if you are using edgy ...
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: well, wasting the time of people who don't know how to fix your problem will not help you any.
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| 14:12 | W^^harddd^^^: we've already given you some suggestions of where to look ...
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| 14:12 | <W^^harddd^^^> hmmm
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| 14:12 | <ogra> W^^harddd^^^, fix your DNS/dhcp to get the hostnames dentical
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| 14:12 | identical as well :)
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> W^^harddd^^^: maybe try and put "k12ltsp" "mailing list" into a google search?
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| 14:13 | <W^^harddd^^^> ok
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| 14:25 | <g333k_work> ogra, Fl_TeacherTool.cxx:49:21: error: X11/xpm.h: Invalid file or directory
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| 14:27 | <ogra> libxpm-dev ?
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| 14:31 | <g333k_work> ogra, I have already, another hint?
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| 14:32 | ogra, ohh libxpm-dev?, let me check
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| 14:32 | <ogra> ususally just apt-cache search for the missing piece (xpm in that case ) and "dev"
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| 14:33 | that should give good hints for the missing headers
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> shouldn't those be represented as dependencies (or build-dependencies) ?
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| 14:39 | <ogra> for an upstream tarball ?
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| 14:40 | * vagrantc doesn't know what's going on | |
| 14:40 | <vagrantc> i'm a little flustered by this RC bug :(
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| 14:43 | <ogra> why do yu worry ? you have an uploader so your package can work around it ... and you can still poke the people to fix xorg in which case you dont have to do anything
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| 14:43 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, bug about missing packages? Is it hard to fix?
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| 14:43 | <ogra> no
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: it's easy to fix, but otavio wants to make it into a discussion on debian-devel.
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| 14:43 | <ogra> but there are a lot of politics involved
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| 14:44 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, ogra why?
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> tiagovaz: i cannot speak for other people's motivations, only my own.
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| 14:45 | <ogra> because its debian ... ?
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| 14:45 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, I didnt understand the politics problem
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> i don't really know that it's political.
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| 14:45 | <tiagovaz> ogra, :)
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> procedural, maybe.
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| 14:45 | <ogra> tiagovaz, someone decided to change the deps of xorg is the right thing
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| 14:46 | now there must be a discussion why that is or if it should be reverted ....
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> during an etch freeze, no less. and the reponse i got was "use aptitude".
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| 14:46 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, ugh
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> apparently, it breaks upgrades with aptitude...
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| 14:47 | <ogra> the discussion part is 95%, the fixing is 5% .... thats what i mean with "politics involved"
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| 14:47 | <tiagovaz> ogra, yeh, now I got it
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| 14:48 | <tiagovaz> vagrantc, good luck with debian-devel discussion :/
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| 14:49 | vagrantc, I hope you can solve it before etch release
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| 14:49 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:49 | he will ...
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> well, the simplest thing is to just upload a package with my patch. but i don't want to work around otavio.
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| 14:50 | <ogra> and the patch is really a workaround ... i'd not go with that if you can fix xrg
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| 14:50 | <ogra> *xorg
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> but the workaround won't break anything even if xorg gets "fixed"
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| 14:51 | unless the fix is something awful ugly.
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| 14:51 | <ogra> right
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| 14:51 | <ogra> i wonder how we'll handle that in ubuntu ...
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> yes, i'm sure this will devolve into a debian vs. ubuntu debacle.
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| 14:52 | :)
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| 14:52 | <ogra> yes, especially sine we started to completely switch to debian packages with new upstream source ....
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| 14:53 | xorg was merged in edgy with debian again, but we use newer upstream tarballs ...
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| 14:53 | so the dependency problems will be inherited at some point
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| 14:54 | juts reintroduce x-window-system-core and make it depend on the right pckages ;)
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 14:54 | <tiagovaz> ogra, propose that in d-d :)
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| 14:55 | <ogra> hah ... i'm ubuntu developer ... if i propose something in d-d we'll have to wait until the flames are done before i can discuss :)
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| 14:57 | <tiagovaz> it's really funny this d-d fame
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| 15:02 | <g333k_work> Hi, I installed Fl_TeacherTool, but it tells me that there is no users connected, why?
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| 16:29 | <g333k_work> Hi my ws002 terminal only has a firefox window opened, I did top and list all the processes of ws002 and got that, I want you to explain me why there are many processes: http://pastebin.ca/307177
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> g333k_work: most of them are related to your window manager
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| 16:32 | g333k_work: and one of them is related to ltspfs, i think. (lbusd)
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| 17:44 | <cliebow> gd dialup again 8~(
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| 17:45 | gd windows again...8-(
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| 22:04 | <jammcq> hey homies
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| 22:17 | <mistik1> hey homie
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| 22:20 | <jammcq> hey
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| 22:21 | * jammcq is sitting in New York city | |
| 22:21 | <jammcq> it's like 65F here
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| 22:23 | <mistik1> excellent
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| 22:23 | I hope it stays that way till next week when I return ;)
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| 22:24 | <jammcq> I think on Sunday, the temp is supposed to drop
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| 22:24 | <mistik1> figures
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| 22:24 | <jammcq> 68F and sunny in the afternoon tomorrow
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| 22:24 | <mistik1> Well at least I got to wear a tshirt on new years ;)
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| 22:24 | <jammcq> we're heading home in the early evening
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| 22:25 | <mistik1> was the trip work/expo,conf or fun
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| 22:25 | <jammcq> went to an astronomy lecture at the American Natural History museum
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| 22:26 | you guys ever see the APOD website?
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| 22:26 | <mistik1> dont think so
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| 22:27 | <jammcq> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
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| 22:27 | Astronomy Picture of the day
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| 22:28 | i've been watching that site for about 8 years now
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| 22:28 | turns out, the guy who started it is a professor at Michigan Tech, where my oldest daughter goes to school
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| 22:28 | anyway, the guy gave a lecture this evening, so my daughter and I flew in to see it
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| 22:32 | <mistik1> cool
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