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Channel log from 25 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:20 | <laurentdd> hello
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| 02:44 | <bluedragon> hello
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| 02:44 | I've just installed ltsp 5 under ubuntu
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| 02:44 | and I'm trying to get my client to etherboot
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| 02:45 | I've followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPEtherbootSetup
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| 02:45 | but the client just keeps rebooting.
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| 02:45 | anyone got any ideas?
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| 03:10 | <tyndyll> How far is it getting?
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| 03:20 | <envite> Hello all from Spain!
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| 03:20 | <envite> ¡Hola a todos desde España!
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| 03:22 | <bluedragon> well it finds the file, because if I remove it it moans "can't find file"
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| 03:23 | So I know the problem is not dhcp or tftp
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| 03:25 | <envite> bluedragon: which is the problem?
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| 03:25 | <bluedragon> I've also think I've seen a series of dots flash past but they flash past so quickly I'm not 100% sure.
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| 03:26 | <tyndyll> One thing i've tried is hitting scroll lock while everything is streaming past
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| 03:27 | <bluedragon> I've just installed ltsp 5 under ubuntu
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| 03:27 | <bluedragon> and I'm trying to get my client to etherboot, I've followed the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPEtherbootSetup but the client just keeps rebooting. anyone got any ideas?
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| 03:30 | <bluedragon> I'm guessing that its the kernel thats wrong.
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| 03:32 | I'm thinking there is some problem with the sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.etherboot --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img command
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| 03:39 | <bluedragon> My theory is that the initrd is too big for the ram disk
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| 03:42 | <bluedragon> my 4.2 etherboot image is 2.8Meg where as the kernel produced here is more like 5Meg
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| 03:44 | <tyndyll> Sorry - out of my skillset :(
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| 04:51 | <vanya> can anybody give me a hint how to compile fuse on amd64 on gentoo as x86 binary? I have done that before, but forget how..
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| 04:51 | it is needed for using fuse from ltspfs
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| 04:53 | <sep> you can compile in a x86 chroot
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| 04:53 | ?
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| 07:27 | <markit> hi, does debian 64bit ltsp produce bootup and OS for 32 bit client?
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| 07:28 | <sep> i assume "not unless you tell it to. "
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| 07:29 | <markit> sep: what do you mean? are you answering me?
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| 07:29 | <ogra> the --arch i386 option of ltsp-build-client is your friend ;)
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| 07:29 | <markit> ogra: thanks a lot :)
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| 07:29 | <ogra> try --help as well ;) and --extra--help
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| 07:37 | <markit> mm I see that now there is also ltspfs (Fuse remote filesystem) package... is it necessary?
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| 07:37 | <ogra> on the server, yes
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| 07:38 | <markit> I had a ltsp "old style" experimental installation,then I went for the debian style one, but was not working at those time, and now I would like to try again
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| 07:38 | <ogra> i think debian has a wikipage somewhere for ltspfs ...
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| 07:38 | <markit> ogra: at those time nfs did the trick, or I remember wrongly?
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| 07:38 | <ogra> but i dont know where from the top of my head ...
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| 07:38 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 07:38 | should be essentially the same
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| 07:38 | <markit> thanks a lot
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| 07:40 | is it possible also to send sound from server to client?
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| 07:40 | <ogra> sure
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| 07:40 | <markit> good :)
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| 07:41 | <ogra> i think the debian packag still uses esd though ...
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| 07:41 | <markit> is not good?
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| 07:41 | <ogra> but just setting Sound=True in lts.conf suld give you all you need
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| 07:41 | well, it limits the amount of apps that can do sound
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| 07:41 | esd sucks but was the best t use until pulseaudio showed up :)
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| 07:44 | <vanya> sep, sorry, I was away. I don't want to compile for chroot, but for main system, just for 32 bits, using 32 libraries
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| 07:45 | sep, that's the only chance to use fuse from ltspfs 32 bit binary
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| 07:45 | <sep> vanya, sorry. it's the only way i know. since i have not tinkered with such
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| 07:51 | <cyberorg> hi ogra is there any documentation about how to create initrd and kernel for ltsp?
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| 07:52 | <ogra> cyberorg, nope
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| 07:52 | <cyberorg> hmm, so how do i go about doing it
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| 07:52 | <ogra> use the nfsboot option of your initramfs creation tool :)
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| 07:52 | would be ny advise
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| 07:52 | *my
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| 07:53 | <cyberorg> any documentation about that you can point me to?
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| 07:53 | <ogra> i only know the ubuntu side of things here ... where i just have to set BOOT=nfs and NFSROOT=auto in the config
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| 07:53 | i thought kiwi would care for that for you
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| 07:55 | <cyberorg> kiwi doesnt create nfsroot initrd yet
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| 07:56 | <ogra> you can have a look at initramfs tools and mkinitramfs from ubuntu and check the code for nfs ...
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| 07:56 | but i assume suse simply does it differently and you need to find your own way here
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| 07:57 | <cyberorg> yeah, we use mkinitrd to create it
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| 07:57 | <ogra> we use mkinitramfs ...
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| 07:58 | mkinitrd doesnt exist in ubuntu ...
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| 07:58 | <ogra> and initramfs-tools as a wrapper that provides hooks and script functions
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| 07:58 | <cyberorg> fun fun :)
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| 07:59 | <ogra> debian does it similar but their packages are differnt
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| 07:59 | <cyberorg> no progress at all today, i am trying to get initrd and kernel done, probably some silly line missing
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| 08:01 | <ogra> you could look at the ltsp 4.2 kernel kit, it probably has some hints ...
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> what / fstab entry should i keep when creating initrd?
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| 08:01 | <ogra> none, initramfs should use /proc/mounts
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| 08:02 | <cyberorg> mkinitrd needs / specified in fstab before it creates it
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| 08:02 | <ogra> you only mount / ... in ubuntu thats happening under /root ... then it gets remounted as / in the end
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| 08:02 | wow, surely that bloats your initramfs
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| 08:03 | <cyberorg> 2.9 MB
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| 08:04 | <ogra> with all _NIC drivers and firmware ? wow, thats small
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| 08:04 | mine is aoround 4M with udev and all stuff needed to bring the basic HW up
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> with all that it is 18 MB wow
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| 08:05 | <ogra> aha
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| 08:05 | :)
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| 08:05 | i was already wondering what suse does to the mods to get them so small
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| 08:06 | <cyberorg> i checked my system initrd first then the netboot i created for ltsp
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| 08:09 | <ogra> 18M sounds to big though ... it surely is for powerpc (yaboot can only handle 6M initramfs'es)
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> i saw in one of your scripts some echo "/dev/root / xxxx " > /etc/fstab
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| 08:09 | <ogra> thats from an initscript iirc ...
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| 08:10 | for the unionfs mount we dont use :)
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| 08:10 | is any ubuntu edgy rdesktop user in this channel atm ?
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| 08:10 | <-- looking for a tester for a fix
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| 08:11 | <cyberorg> /dev/root / unionfs defaults 0 0 in ltsp-clients-setup.int
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| 08:13 | <ogra> yes, its moot ... until we start using unionfs ...
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| 08:13 | we have a complete implementation, but unionfs over nfs was buggy until recently ...
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| 08:13 | i havent looked into it for the next release yet though
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> so what is used now plain mount -t nfs ?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> nfsmount from klibc
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| 08:14 | but you can use any mount proggy your distro provides in initramfs
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 08:15 | <ogra> i'm just working on nfs4 integration in ubuntu for example and since klibc doesnt know about nfs4 yet i just copy the util-linux mount binary into the initramfs
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| 08:17 | <cyberorg> unionfs over nfs4 is good?
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| 08:17 | <ogra> no idea
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| 08:18 | nfs4 by default in ltsp is good (i hope) :)
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| 08:18 | you can either run it like v3 or add an optional kerberos encryption layer if you want to
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| 08:19 | since we already support encrypted network swapping, why not also support optional nfs root encryption ... some people will be paranoid enugh to want to use that :)
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> i am not even paranoid enough to understand ssh overheads to run X :)
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| 08:20 | <ogra> u dont need X installed and running on the server ...
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| 08:20 | for an ssh tunnel
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| 08:20 | it has many advantages ...
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| 08:20 | and some disadvantages for very low level HW
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| 08:21 | i think the advantages prevail
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| 08:21 | <cyberorg> yeas, that is a big advantage, i can keep server on runlevel 3
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| 08:21 | <ogra> whatever that means :)
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| 08:22 | <cyberorg> X not even required on server?
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| 08:22 | <ogra> no
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| 08:22 | not at all
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| 08:23 | <cyberorg> that is a big advantage
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| 08:23 | <ogra> yu will need xlibs i guess, but no running X server
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| 08:23 | <cyberorg> yeah, that is what i thought, it would surely have to be installed, but not running
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| 08:23 | <ogra> if ldm has a chooser mechanism one day you should be able to connect to any machine in your net that runs ssh
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| 08:24 | well, no
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| 08:24 | you dont need X but its libs
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| 08:24 | <ogra> no need to install any of the drivers or to have a cofig or an X binary
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| 08:25 | (usually your desktop install should pull in the necessary libs)
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| 08:25 | <cyberorg> btw, i have rpms ready for ltspfs and ltspfs-server
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| 08:25 | <ogra> cool
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| 08:26 | link them on the ltsp wiki so they get testing :)
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| 08:26 | users that use the tarballs will need the ltspfs package on the server
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| 08:26 | so they can test for you ;)
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> yeah, i have ltspchroot almost ready, without ltsp clientside scripts and initrd/kernel to pxeboot
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| 08:27 | <ogra> great
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> i was hoping to get atlease pxeboot working
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| 08:27 | then we can start looking at ldm and all the scripts
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| 08:28 | <ogra> ldm should just work if you have the right deps installed
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| 08:28 | its plain pygtk
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| 08:28 | and python-gnomecanvas
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| 08:29 | <cyberorg> i was using debian initrd and kernel to pxeboot suse chroot, but as kernel versions are different all the hardware modules failed to load, so keyboard on client worked, but no mouse :(
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| 08:29 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:29 | indeed
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| 08:29 | you will need to work through your initramfs creation tool i fear
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| 08:30 | its likely only a script so it should be easy to patch
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| 08:30 | <cyberorg> hmm, build failed on the buildservice
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| 08:31 | ltspfs takes make DESTDIR=/somewhere parameter right?
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| 08:42 | <modee> this is my 1st time here, is this channel open for any ltsp related issue's?
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| 08:43 | <cyberorg> modee: yeah :)
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| 08:43 | <cliebow_> yessirree
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| 08:43 | <modee> cliebow: thanks, uhm I have a this issue
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| 08:44 | I'm running ltsp ver 4 and have a 3gig zeon server with 4 gigs of ram and runing 27 clients on it
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| 08:44 | But I'm having some load issue's?
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| 08:45 | Help on this?
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| 08:45 | <cliebow_> such as?
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| 08:46 | <modee> When runing firefox on all clients, server become slow and network slow down
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| 08:47 | running ubuntu 6.06 with xfce desktop
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| 08:47 | <mhterres> hey :-)
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| 08:49 | <modee> cliebow: anything on this?
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| 08:50 | anyboady help?
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| 08:51 | <jammcq> g'morning kids
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| 08:51 | <bluedragon> afternoon
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| 08:51 | <cliebow_> modee:you see load on the server?all switched environment?
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| 08:52 | <bluedragon> I'm trying to get LTSP 5 to work under Ubuntu and my clients use etherboot.
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> k
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| 08:52 | <bluedragon> So I've followed the instructions on creating an nbi kernel but they keep rebooting them seleves
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| 08:53 | <cliebow_> why not use the one provided?
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| 08:53 | <modee> cliebow: be more specific with the questions please?
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| 08:53 | <bluedragon> The created nbi file is twice the size of the ltsp 4.2 one
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| 08:53 | <jammcq> you don't need to create a special nbi kernel
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| 08:53 | and yes, it'll be MUCH bigger than the 4.2 kernel
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| 08:53 | what version of Ubuntu?
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| 08:53 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq
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| 08:54 | <cliebow_> modee:gotta run..leave you in jammcq'sa hands
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| 08:54 | <jammcq> cyberorg: hey
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| 08:54 | <modee> cliebow: ok keep well
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| 08:54 | <bluedragon> dapper
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| 08:54 | <modee> jammcq: hi there
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| 08:54 | <cyberorg> we had a meeting yesterday, was a good start
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| 08:55 | getting ltsp 5 on suse
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| 08:55 | <jammcq> cyberorg: yeah, I saw the minutes. any official Suse people there?
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| 08:55 | <modee> jammcq: can you assist with my problem please?
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| 08:55 | <jammcq> modee: well, first you have to tell me what the problem is
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| 08:56 | bluedragon: ah, then you do need to follow those directions. Feisty has etherboot/nbi kernel support
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| 08:56 | <bluedragon> its not a specal kernal I just followed the instruction sudo mknbi-linux --output=vmlinuz.etherboot --rootdir="/dev/ram0" --append="rw" vmlinuz initrd.img
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> jammcq: mostly opensuse community guys, and schaefi, snorp from suse and pzb from novell
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| 08:56 | <modee> jammcq: I'm running ltsp ver 4 and have a 3gig zeon server with 4 gigs of ram and runing 27 clients on it,But I'm having some load issue's?Help on this?
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| 08:57 | <bluedragon> so if I upgrade to feisty I should be able to get it working...
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> cyberorg: ah cool. it's important that you get suse/novell developers involved. It'll take some mods to official suse packages to make it all work
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| 08:57 | bluedragon: *should* yes
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| 08:58 | <modee> jammqc: When I run firefox on all clients it slows the network down and some clients resets back to login screen?
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| 09:02 | <cyberorg> jammcq: which packages could need change, i can directly involve package and developers working on that
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| 09:02 | <jammcq> cyberorg: kernel and initramfs stuff, and probably some of the init scripts
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| 09:03 | <modee> jammcq: did you see my issue?
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> modee: yes. what's the slowdown? booting? launching apps? running the apps?
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> jammcq: on the server? i thought that would be only on chroot system
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| 09:05 | <modee> jammcq: Booting is fine, but when running the apps on all clients the network slows down
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> cyberorg: yes, but the whole idea is to use DISTRO packages to build the chroot
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| 09:05 | modee: describe your network
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| 09:06 | <cyberorg> jammcq: of course, schaefi is going to work on creating kiwi pxeboot-ltsp he is the developer of kiwi from suse
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| 09:06 | <jammcq> ok, that might be the ticket to success
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| 09:07 | <cyberorg> i tried building it today, without success, hopefully i'll be able to create it soon
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| 09:08 | <modee> jammcq: ok... Server with the above specs, 1x 24 port switch and 1x 8 port switch, 27 clients. Is this what you meant?
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> modee: 10mbit ? 100mbit? GigaBit ?
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| 09:08 | <cyberorg> i got ltspfs and ltsp-server packages already up on opensuse build-service, they will sync out on all the mirrors shortly
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| 09:09 | <modee> jammcq: on 24 port switch I 2x gigabit and 20x 100mbit
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> cyberorg: you're a long way from needing ltspfs
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| 09:09 | <cyberorg> yeah, that was easy part :)
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> modee: are you sure it's the network that is slow, and not the server that is slow?
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| 09:10 | that is, is it network bandwidth that is causing the problem? or is your server running out of horsepower?
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| 09:10 | <cyberorg> also something i can do, just packaging ;)
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| 09:11 | <modee> jammcq: Not sure though... But I mean having a 3 gig zeon pro, and 4 gigs of ram, is this not surficiant?
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| 09:11 | <bluedragon> When the server slows down what is the system load and what does free say?
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> modee: should be, but you have a ton of tools to tell you if it is or not
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| 09:12 | have you run 'top' ?
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| 09:13 | <modee> jammcq: ya... top and Htop wich tells a bit, and also ethstatus on server
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| 09:13 | jammcq: it seems like its network traffic
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| 09:14 | <Blinny> Obvious question: Is the server plugged into one of the gigabit ports and running at gigabit speed?
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| 09:15 | <modee> Blinny: yes that was what I checked first?
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| 09:15 | <jammcq> modee: have you disabled nasty screen savers?
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| 09:16 | and why do you think it's network speed?
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| 09:16 | <modee> jammcq: not having screen savers at all
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> have you run iptraf, to watch the speed of the network?
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| 09:17 | <modee> jammcq: That is just what I thought ans might be wrong
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> my point is, you have tools available to help you find the bottlenecks
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| 09:18 | <modee> jammcq: And ya maybe I dont know how to use those tools the right way, thats why I came here to intro my issue
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> ok, are people using the computers right now?
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| 09:19 | <modee> jammcq: its actually at some other place now, but they not using it now
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> ok, gonna be kind of hard to diagnose the problem then
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| 09:20 | when you get a chance, try running 'top'
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| 09:20 | and pay attention to the 'Load average'
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| 09:21 | <Blinny> Maybe 'vmstat' to check swpd levels
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> yeah, but he can learn great info from top
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| 09:22 | <jammcq> vmstat requires a bit more knowledge of vm systems
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| 09:22 | <modee> ok.... is there more....
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| 09:23 | I want to look into this when I get back to the client
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| 09:23 | <jammcq> modee: if the load average is between 0.0 and 2.0, you are probably ok for CPU. if it's above 2.0, then you need to see what processes are eating up the cpu
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| 09:24 | <Blinny> K I'll hush (:
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> also, top will show you how much memory you have and how much swap is being used. If there's any amount of swap being used, you'll want to see why
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| 09:24 | some swapping is ok, but lots of swapping is a real problem
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| 09:24 | if there's any swapping going on, that's where vmstat will help tell more
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| 09:26 | <modee> jammcq: cool...., seems fairly staight forward...
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| 09:26 | <jammcq> modee: if you have a linux machine handy, go ahead and run those commands now
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| 09:27 | <modee> jammcq: will do so... Another thing is, if processers are eating up cpu, how do I fix this?
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| 09:28 | <jammcq> modee: first, you need to identify which processes
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| 09:29 | <modee> jammcq: ya... and...?
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| 09:29 | <jammcq> and what? you need to identify, then we'll figure out what to do
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| 09:29 | top will show you the offenders
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| 09:29 | <modee> jammcq: I'm sorry I'm a bit new to this
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| 09:30 | jammcq: Ok thats cool will do that
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| 09:30 | <jammcq> cool
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| 09:30 | let us know what you find
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| 09:30 | <modee> jammcq: Thanks and will get back to you guys:)
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| 09:36 | <cyberorg> jammcq: http://ftp.nux.ipb.pt/pub/dists/opensuse/repositories/home:/cyberorg/SUSE_Factory/repodata/repoview/ltspfs-0-0.4.3-5.1.html
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| 09:37 | now hopefull we will get to use it soon
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| 09:55 | <SlackDweber> hiii... excusme
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| 09:56 | i'm try installing ltsp in zenwalk
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| 09:56 | but i got error msg
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| 09:56 | Retrieving list of packages from file:///mnt/cdrom/...
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| 09:56 | 501 Protocol scheme 'file' is not supported
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| 09:57 | <ogra> looks like zenwalks debootstrap doesnt support the file protocol ...
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| 09:57 | <SlackDweber> debootstrap ?
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| 09:58 | <ogra> well what exactly are you trying there ?
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| 09:59 | the error looks like its from ubuntus or debians ltsp-server package ... (from ltsp-build-client to be precise)
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| 09:59 | <SlackDweber> im trying installing ltsp package to zenwalk distro
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| 09:59 | <ogra> 4.2 ?
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| 09:59 | <SlackDweber> maybe libwww-perl ? Because if im trying installing from ltsp.org site i can get this error
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| 10:00 | <SlackDweber> im use ltsp 4.1
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| 10:00 | Retrieving list of packages from http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1/...
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| 10:00 | 500 Can't locate HTML/HeadParser.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i486-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i486-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl
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| 10:00 | <ogra> ah, ok, then ignore me ... it looked like an ltsp5 error message
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| 10:00 | <SlackDweber> im use root[~]# cat /etc/zenwalk-version
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| 10:00 | Zenwalk 4.4
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| 10:00 | root[~]#
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| 10:01 | <ogra> yeah, the error looks like you should install libwww-perl
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| 10:01 | <SlackDweber> im use zenwalk 4.4
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| 10:01 | ok, im trying get libwww-perl package
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| 10:01 | because im use this libwww-perl package
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| 10:01 | libwww-perl-5.805-i486-46.1
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| 10:02 | <ogra> your perl version seems to be 5.8.8 according to the error ...
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| 10:03 | so get the libwww-perl package for that version :)
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| 10:03 | <SlackDweber> ok ogra
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| 10:03 | ^^
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| 10:29 | * vagrantc prepares for more vagrancy | |
| 10:30 | <ogra> hehe
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| 10:31 | <jammcq> hmm, that could be taken a number of ways
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| 10:31 | <ogra> i was assuming the spanish variant of vagrancy :)
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| 10:32 | jammcq, are the tarballs on the wiki updated ?
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> nope
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| 10:32 | not yet
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| 10:32 | <ogra> meh
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> maybe this weekend
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> vagabundo?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> the feisty one thats there has nne of the speedups
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> I wanna rebuild my laptop with the latest
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| 10:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, lol
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> this is a southwest to midwest to the old west kind of thing
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| 10:33 | <maxel> hi all, hi orga. Thanks for the help with the unusual ssh port. Now the hole think works pretty fine.
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| 10:34 | <ogra> great
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| 10:34 | vagrantc, i saw you on the room list btw, so i think at least canonical thinks you're coming for sure :)
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| 10:36 | * vagrantc hasn't checked the .xls files that were sent | |
| 10:36 | <cyberorg> ogra: jammcq https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/kiwi-devel/2007-April/000060.html :)
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| 10:36 | suse devels worked very fast
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| 10:36 | <vagrantc> there any .xls to csv converters around?
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| 10:37 | <ogra> cyberorg, indeed, they are german :)
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| 10:37 | <cyberorg> hi vagrantc
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| 10:37 | <ogra> vagrantc, no openoffice ?
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| 10:37 | <cyberorg> it was about 20 hours back we reqested this feature in kiwi
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| 10:37 | * ogra looks around for a spare 2.5" HDD he can bring to spain | |
| 10:37 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've resisted installing it thus far ...
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| 10:38 | <ogra> it was created using OOo ... so it should be pretty straight forward in any csv convereter ...
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc> gah. i'd have to resize my /
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| 10:39 | <ogra> thus my HDD comment ;)
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> no, it's just poor formatting choices.
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| 10:39 | oh, i've got about 2 gigs i could delete
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| 10:40 | <ogra> ltsp test chroots ;)
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| 10:40 | they use to stack up on my disk
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> i put ltsp on it's own lvm
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| 10:41 | <ogra> ah, lvm ...
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| 10:41 | * ogra never got that principle of lvm ... | |
| 10:41 | <ogra> i just get big disks :)
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> i like being able to have some parts encrypted, and some parts not ... and have multiple OS installs ...
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| 10:43 | <ogra> ah well, if oyu use encryption it might make sense
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> and mount some filesystems with noatime ...
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| 11:10 | <vykarian> hi all =]
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| 11:12 | <cliebow_> hi
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| 12:06 | <vagrantc> see y'all in a couple days
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| 12:32 | <Guaraldo> hi, all!
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| 12:39 | <vykarian> hi
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| 12:52 | <pscheie> vykarian: hi
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| 13:06 | <meduxa> hi, I'll be on Sevilla UDS in May. Who's gonna be there? I would like to know more about LTSP 5. We use LTSP 4.2 but haven dedicated any time yet to next version
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| 13:07 | <ogra> meduxa, i'll be there as well as many of the other ltsp devs
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| 13:07 | actually all three active devs will be there ;)
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| 13:07 | <meduxa> great
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| 13:09 | I think it would be great to make a meeting (around a table) and tape it to talk about the new version so people knows directly from you guys what are the new improvements
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| 13:09 | <ogra> sure
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| 13:09 | <meduxa> and the problems
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| 13:09 | <ogra> we had such a thing already ... wait a sec
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| 13:10 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/ubuntu-ltsp-tour
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| 13:10 | gah the wikipage for it was wiped
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| 13:11 | <meduxa> when is this meeting going on?
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| 13:12 | <meduxa> do I have to register myself?
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| 13:15 | <sutula> ogra: I asked yesterday evening...using the Debian/Ubuntu packaging (0.99debian11) is there a way to see which ltsp version is being used?
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| 13:16 | <cliebow_> vagrantc unforunately just left..
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| 13:16 | <ogra> sutula, 0.99debian11 is ltsp5 :)
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| 13:17 | <sutula> ogra: To get sound working, what else would need to be installed on the server?
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| 13:17 | <ogra> apart from that now that we flipped the package to have a 5.0.x version number in ubuntu debian should follow soon
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| 13:17 | <sutula> ...or is this a messy area?
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| 13:17 | <ogra> sutula, SOUND=True should be set in lts.conf ...
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| 13:17 | more isnt needed
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| 13:17 | <sutula> ogra: K, I'll mess with that...thanks
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| 13:18 | <cliebow_> you msay need to create an lts.conf
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| 13:18 | <sutula> cliebow: Yes...did that...thanks
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| 13:18 | <ogra> oh207, right in the old versions we didnt create one
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| 13:19 | <sutula> ogra: In [Default] section?
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| 13:19 | <ogra> yep
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| 13:19 | <sutula> ogra: When does that file get re-read...when the client boots?
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| 13:19 | <ogra> yes
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| 13:19 | <sutula> thanks
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| 14:19 | <tyndyll> Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help. I'm trying to set up LTSP to demonstrate a thin client set up for a charity that I volunteer for. Needing something quick for the demo I've installed K12LTSP on a virtual machine. I've got the server up and running, and have had 2 successful tests, one with another virtual machine and another with a Dell Optiplex 50. I'm now testing another machine and have an error coming up. The PC, a Dell Dimension 9100 is bootin
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| 14:20 | <tyndyll> It then says "Error! Could not automatically detect the network card"
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| 14:20 | <pscheie> tyndyll: what kind of NIC is in the 9100?
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| 14:21 | <tyndyll> Not 100% sure. Its onboard, and *seems* to be intel. A quick google search has suggested that "modprobe e100" should identigy it
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| 14:22 | <pscheie> Is the Dimension 9100 a new/recent/late model Dell?
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| 14:23 | <tyndyll> about a year and a half
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| 14:23 | <pscheie> ok, that's not too new
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| 14:23 | I've got a new Toshiba laptop and LTSP doesn't support its NIC chip for it to be a client
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| 14:24 | if you're just doing a demo, you could throw, say, a realtek 8139 card in there and use that
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| 14:24 | <cliebow_> tyndyll, can you get a pci id for that machine..so we can tell what driver..then you can specify it with option 128 and 9
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| 14:24 | in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:25 | <tyndyll> do I do that with lspci?
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> yes..lspci -vv to see what pci id device it is..
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| 14:26 | <tyndyll> Will try that now
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> then lspci -n and look at that bus id
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| 14:27 | option option-129 "NIC=3c509"..kind of like this
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| 14:27 | <pscheie> doesn't lspci require that the kernel recognize the device? or does it just query the pci bus?
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| 14:27 | <cliebow_> preceded by
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| 14:28 | <tyndyll> THis is my home machine so its not critical to get this - but would like to know how to fix it in case I come up against it again.
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| 14:28 | <cliebow_> well here...
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| 14:28 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions
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| 14:29 | <tyndyll> Who am I kiidding - with my luck I will run into this again
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| 14:29 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 14:30 | <tyndyll> Does the wsXXXXX number matter?
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| 14:31 | <gu> tyndyll: not if you use it as default setting (as long as you only test with that single client)
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| 14:32 | <cliebow_> no
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| 14:34 | well..whatever mac address you use for it in dhcpd.conf will define what machine gets the information in that stanza
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| 14:34 | <tyndyll> ok
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| 14:34 | Sorry - what am I looking for in the PCI id?
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| 14:35 | I have - 05:08.0
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| 14:35 | <cliebow_> like 8139:0037
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| 14:35 | <gu> you want vendor_id:device_id
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| 14:35 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, has there been any updates to feisty since release last week ?
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| 14:36 | <ogra> nope
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| 14:36 | <jammcq> k
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| 14:36 | <ogra> no ltsp related at least
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| 14:36 | <jammcq> that explains why I haven't gotten any update notifications
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| 14:36 | any non-ltsp that you know of?
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| 14:36 | <ogra> there is one update pening, but thats for ltsp-server and the sound handling in the session, so it wont affect the tarball
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| 14:37 | beyond that there are 5 updates waiting in my u-m atm
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| 14:37 | and there was an update.manage update directly after release iirc
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| 14:37 | do yu have feisty-updates enabled ?
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| 14:37 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 14:38 | actually, I do have some updates pending
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| 14:38 | <ogra> should be six or seve in total
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| 14:38 | *seven
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| 14:38 | <jammcq> is there any update history?
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| 14:39 | <ogra> hmm, a question for mvo :) no idea
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> k
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| 14:39 | <ogra> i think there is an apt log
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> I'll ask next weep
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> s/weep/week/
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| 14:39 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 14:39 | <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ locate apt.log
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| 14:39 | /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log
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| 14:39 | <tyndyll> cliebow_: struggling to find the vendor id with lspci --v. On the second line I get SUbsystemL Dell Unknown Device
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| 14:39 | <ogra> not sure thats for normal u-m operation though
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| 14:40 | <cliebow_> once you see in lspci -v which bus id
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| 14:40 | tyndyll, then use lspci -n to see pci id of that bus
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| 14:40 | <ogra> jammcq, btw, i just brainstormed with mvo about u-m ltsp integration .... i think we'll get full support from it in gutsy ;)
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| 14:41 | including the dist-upgrade and security update functions :)
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| 14:41 | <jammcq> ogra: that's fantastic
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| 14:41 | <ogra> yeah ... you will get ntifications to upgrade your chroot and can do so with a single click
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| 14:42 | <cliebow_> tyndyll, lspci -v|grep Ethernet
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| 14:43 | <sutula> ogra: RE the chroot upgrade, what's the current situation? (How do you update it...any way to tell when you need to?)
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| 14:44 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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| 14:44 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get dist-ugrade
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| 14:44 | *upgrade
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| 14:45 | <cliebow_> ogra:you brain goes far faster then your fingers
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| 14:45 | 8~0
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| 14:45 | <sutula> ogra: great...thanks
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| 14:45 | <ogra> currently you should manually upgrade every time your desktop gets updates if you want to be 100% security update covered
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| 14:45 | <tyndyll> cliebow_: 8086 : 27dc
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| 14:46 | <cliebow_> aha!
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| 14:48 | <tyndyll> cliebow_ there is light??!!
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| 14:48 | <cliebow_> my network is screwy..
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| 14:49 | * sutula wonders if he could install cron-apt in the chroot and get that working | |
| 14:49 | <ogra> sutula, no, but you can write a cron script on the server that chroots and does something similar :)
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| 14:50 | actualy thats what the update.manager implementation will do
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| 14:50 | <sutula> ogra: Why wouldn't cron-apt work? (I know I might have to hook it's cron stuff into the server's real cron)
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| 14:50 | <ogra> right, thats what i said
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| 14:51 | <cliebow_> tyndyll, 27dc 82801G (ICH7 Family) LAN Controller
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| 14:51 | <sutula> ogra: k
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| 14:51 | <ogra> you have to chroot to get the actual package database of the client root
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| 14:52 | <ogra> i think in ubuntus apt you can hand over a root= parameter, not sure if thats in debian yet
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| 14:52 | <sutula> ogra: I've not seen it there
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| 14:52 | <tyndyll> cliebow_ thats the one
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| 14:53 | <ogra> should be in sid soon ... we're about to sync the archive :)
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| 14:53 | * sutula will watch for it | |
| 14:54 | <cliebow_> from what i can gather it is simply an e100..which should be recognized
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| 14:54 | but for the hell of it
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| 14:54 | option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 14:55 | option option-129 "NIC=e100";
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| 14:55 | fot that machine..see what happens..
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| 14:55 | restart dhcp and all that good stuff after edit
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| 14:57 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:57 | cliebow and the sledgehammer looks funny :)
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| 14:57 | <tyndyll> do i need to restart the dhcp server as well?
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| 14:58 | <cliebow_> sledgehammer?
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| 14:58 | ohhhh...that one.
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| 15:00 | <cliebow_> at least maybe the info was correct
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| 15:02 | <ogra> :)
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| 15:03 | <tyndyll> cliebow_ i precede option option-128 ... with "hardware ethernet XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX"?
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| 15:04 | <cliebow_> errr..maybe like this
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| 15:05 | pos2{
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| 15:05 | <cliebow_> hardware ethernet 000000000000;
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| 15:05 | fixed-address 10.10.0.9;
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| 15:05 | option
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| 15:05 | option
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| 15:05 | }
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| 15:05 | <jammcq> what's that hardware ethernet?
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| 15:06 | or was that just your example?
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| 15:06 | <cliebow_> just an eggsample
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| 15:07 | <pscheie> ogra: how much credit do you get for the fact that sound works properly on my Toshiba with feisty?
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| 15:07 | edubuntu feisty, that is
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| 15:07 | <ogra> pscheie, if you run it as ltsp client, about 20% :)
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| 15:08 | the rest goes to crimsun in #ubuntu-devel :)
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| 15:08 | <jammcq> ogra: what is that in US Dollars?
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| 15:08 | <ogra> lol
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| 15:08 | <cliebow_> home home..later..
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| 15:08 | <ogra> no idea we have euros here :)
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| 15:09 | <tyndyll> cliebow_ - no luck, have to leave it for now
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| 15:10 | THanks for your help
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| 15:10 | <a5benwillis> hey guys, got a general question.
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| 15:11 | <pscheie> well, sound has 'worked' but the volume controls were all weird
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| 15:11 | <a5benwillis> When I installed my system Iused a standard CD-Rom drive. Since then I've replaced that with a DVD-recorder. Now when I use Synaptic it asks for the cd but wont use theone in the dvd drive. Can I mout the cd-rom to the dvd-recorder location?
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| 15:11 | <pscheie> and sound ALWAYS came out the speakers even if headphones were plugged in
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| 15:11 | same under FC6
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| 15:12 | but with feisty, the volume control works properly, and headphones work, too
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| 15:12 | yay!
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| 15:14 | <ogra> :)
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| 19:40 | <fxrsliberty> hey guys, I just finished installing the tarball of ltsp5 on opensuse 10.2 but I can't get the LDM working, any clues?
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| 20:05 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 20:30 | <cliebow> howdie
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| 23:00 | <IRCzito_home> jammcq: good night
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| 23:00 | can you help me?
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| 23:02 | I can try use the init.d/ltsp-client-setup to use on my slackware root-tree, but this say my root-tree is read only
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| 23:04 | somebody? ogra?
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| 23:04 | ogra: ?
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