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| 18:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I made a nice precise-i386 chroot, and I was thinking to make one for wheezy as well (as it's the last that supports a xorg with xaa)
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| 18:17 | Do you think I could install ldm+ltsp from stretch in wheezy?
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| 18:18 | Or, any chance for ltsp 5.5.6 in wheezy-backports?
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> it would have to go into wheezy-backports-sloppy ... no idea if it would work
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> If it's easy for you to send it there, I can surely test
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> i don't *think* much has changed, but never know
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| 18:19 | i daresay it's fairly low on my priority list
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> LTSP 5.5.6 works in precise, so I imagine it would also work in wheezy, if compiled for that glib etc
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| 18:19 | (compiling ==> ldm, mostly...)
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| 18:20 | Ah, it's not a matter of a couple of commands to backport it there? OK, I'll check if I can just install the ldm.deb from stretch
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> well, i wouldn't upload something i didn't test, so it's not just a couple commands :)
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| 18:21 | we'd proably need to do it *fast*, as wheezy-backports-sloppy will probably close when wheezy goes EOF
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| 18:22 | * alkisg thought that debian would have some infrastructure for developer testing... | |
| 18:22 | <vagrantc> EOL
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> If you send it to -sloppy, I can test it; that's all I can say :)
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there are plenty of places to build packages, but testing virtual machines, no
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| 18:24 | alkisg: if i uploaded packages to one of my repositories, would you test it?
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 18:24 | The end result will be a compressed btrfs wheezy image
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| 18:24 | I don't mind if the ltsp version that it has is not in any official repositories
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> i also need to backport ltsp to jessie-backports at this point
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| 18:25 | <alkisg> vagrantc: to build a wheezy chroot in a stretch environment, I'd just run ltsp-build-client --dist=wheezy, right?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> and also realized i never uploaded a backported LDM
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| 18:25 | alkisg: that's the theory!
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| 18:25 | i just recently did it with stretch->jessie
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| 18:26 | <alkisg> Nice, I'll have a nice wheezy image by Friday then :)
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> looks like i have a wheezy LTSP virtual machine still sitting here ... wonder what the state of it is
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> With newer distro releases, we're losing non-kms drivers, xaa drivers, non-pae kernels etc, and we have some uefi (64-bit only) servers that need to boot i386 clients, so premade images will start being more popular
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> painful, but probably true
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> I think I'll be maintaining precise-i386, wheezy-i386, and stretch-i686
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> why bother with the stretch image?
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> (a compressed btrfs chroot for one of each)
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| 18:29 | Mixed labs have newer and older PCs, and a newer kernel+xorg might work better there
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> but stretch would be simple enough to build
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| 18:30 | i guess people want something that will "just work" and it adds enough variables to build it themselves
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> I've also put an ltsp_config.d script there to provide some lts.conf defaults that minimize ram
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> And some other scripts to auto-fetch epoptes and ssh keys etc
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> at one point i had thought about publishing images that were built automatically
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| 18:48 | alkisg: ok, got my server set up again, got some build environments, will try simple rebuilds
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> Ty, remember to send me the URLs :)
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i suspect ltspfs may not work correctly
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| 19:06 | alkisg: deb https://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/debian wheezy-backports-sloppy-UNRELEASED main
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| 19:07 | alkisg: should have amd64 and i386 packages of ltsp, ldm and ltspfs
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| 19:07 | alkisg: the signing key is available in the debian-keyring package :)
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| 19:15 | alkisg: hrm. apparently have some issues with the file permissions
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: oh, it was my local proxy ... you should be fine
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| 19:32 | alkisg: ldm works ... ltsp-localapps doesn't work (we'd need to revert the changes to support unicode, i think)
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| 19:34 | ltspfs doesn't appear to work
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| 19:37 | * vagrantc tries downgrading ltspfs | |
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| 19:44 | * vagrantc wonders if it has more to do with i386 client and amd64 server | |
| 19:44 | <vagrantc> alkisg: but, overall, not bad for a quick test
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: cool, I'll keep the old ltspfs and revert the unicode changes, thanks!
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| 20:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: old ltspfs doesn't work either...
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| 20:01 | <alkisg> (although I have localapps disabled in that image to save RAM)
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| 20:02 | I don't think it will be much of a problem, devices that need xaa and older kernels usually have 128 ram, no ltspfs needed there usually...
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| 20:18 | * alkisg starts with the stretch chroot first.. | |
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I got this with `ltsp-build-client` under stretch, any clues?
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| 20:39 | "Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does the network require authentication?)"
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| 20:40 | <vagrantc> oh, haven't tried ltsp-build-client yet
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| 20:40 | never seen that before
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| 20:40 | was it during an apt-get update call?
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: paste.debian.net/401780
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| 20:43 | Retrying in case I got a broken mirror...
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> alkisg: in theory, http.debian.net should protect you from that
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| 20:44 | oh, it was also renamed to httpredir.debian.org
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> So I should use --mirror something?
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> nah, it's just a cname to httpredir.debian.org
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| 20:44 | * vagrantc should update the defaults | |
| 20:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I got the same error, could you give me a --mirror cmdline that would bypass the issue?
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| 20:47 | <vagrantc> alkisg: --mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian (or some other real mirror)
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> Ty, I think that got me past the issue...
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| 20:50 | * alkisg was trying --copy-sources-list but it's --copy-sourceslist | |
| 20:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I got "unable to locate package linux-image-486" (translated from greek)
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| 20:58 | Wrong default kernel?
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| 20:58 | (building a stretch chroot in a stretch host)
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| 21:00 | * alkisg tries with KERNEL_ARCH=586... | |
| 21:00 | <vagrantc> oh, fun.
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| 21:01 | alkisg: yeah, apparently linux-image-486 was removed in stretch
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> Ouch, the KERNEL_ARCH hack is Ubuntu-specific
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| 21:07 | KERNEL_VARIANT, ok
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| 21:08 | <vagrantc> well, --kernel-package
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| 21:08 | <alkisg> vagrantc: is "--kernel-variant 586" good enough?
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| 21:08 | or, "--kernel-package linux-image-586", whatever...
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| 21:09 | <vagrantc> full kernel package
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| 21:09 | unless i put in an option for each ...
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| 21:29 | <alkisg> `ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian --late-packages epoptes-client --purge --kernel-packages linux-images-586` did it :)
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| 21:31 | <vagrantc> --purge?
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| 21:33 | <alkisg> Well, to automatically delete the older failed chroot
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 21:36 | <alkisg> Meh, the debian initrd used to be small, now it's on par with ubuntu, 15mb...
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> progress!
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| 21:37 | <alkisg> Hah, no vi/nano in the chroot, installing...
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| 21:37 | <vagrantc> yeah, i think i use debootstrap --variant=minbase
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| 21:38 | maybe now that fat chroots are more common, i shouldn't
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| 21:38 | for thin clients, it made sense
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| 21:38 | fun things like less and man will be gone
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| 21:39 | <alkisg> With modules=netboot, it's 10 mb, better
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| 21:39 | (in initramfs.conf)
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| 21:40 | * alkisg is glad to see "default ltsp-NBD" in pxelinux.cfg/default :) | |
| 21:41 | <alkisg> But after all, I do think we should be making symlinks for i386, pae, and amd64 kernels, and shipping a static pxelinux.cfg/default...
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| 21:42 | The way we do it is still complicated...
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| 21:43 | "to be continued.... tomorrow..."
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| 21:43 | * alkisg waves | |
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