IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 April 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:42 | <slin> 'morning
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| 09:51 | <rickogden> morning all
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| 09:54 | is there a changelog/feature list of LTSP 5.3?
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| 10:04 | <knipwim> rickogden: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4F3D767E.1060708%40ubuntu.com&forum_name=ltsp-developer
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| 10:05 | <rickogden> schweet! Thanks :)
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| 10:08 | I'm liking the "lots of fat client improvements"
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| 11:46 | <wim_> hi, we have ltsp-server-standalone (5.3.4 - wheezy) up and running with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True. Since a few days we get a connection error (endpoint not connected) and the user home directory is disconnected. The user has to reboot his client to reconnect his home. Probably it is a sshfs issue. Has someone got this issue or any idea?? txs
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| 13:48 | <wim_> hi, we have ltsp-server-standalone (5.3.4 - wheezy) up and running with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True. Since a few days we get a connection error (endpoint not connected) and the user home directory is disconnected. The user has to reboot his client to reconnect his home. Has someone got this issue or any idea?? txs
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| 13:50 | <stgraber> alkisg: heya
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| 13:50 | alkisg: anything else that's about to land in -trunk or can I tag? (do we need a test snapshot first to be sure it works?)
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> stgraber: a test snapshot would be nice, I haven't tested trunk for a long time
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| 14:20 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, I'll do that then
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> alkisg: building
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| 14:27 | * alkisg also no longer has ltsp-server installed, just ltsp-pnp and ltsp-client :D | |
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| 15:17 | <stgraber> alkisg: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental/+packages if you have a few minutes to test
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| 15:36 | <neohaven> We have a build of ltsp-cluster here, and I'd like to add some functionality to ltsp-control. I'd like to be able to get the last known terminal IP of a user so we can connect to it with VNC (the VNC server part is alerady taken care of). Any ideas/pointers? Things to seriously watch out for?
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| 15:58 | <garymc> Hi Guys I have LTSP ubuntu and I have forgot the password for root. Whta can I do to get back in. God knows why I changed the password at some point but my listed one doesnt seem to be working
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| 16:00 | <zevlag> garymc, https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/user-forgottenpassword.html
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| 16:01 | <garymc> zevlag : is this the same for logging in via ssh
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| 16:02 | <zevlag> you want to login to the LTSP server, right?
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| 16:02 | yes it is
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| 16:03 | <garymc> yes
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| 16:11 | <||cw> you don't have users with sudo that you know the pass for?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> garymc: the root doesn't have a password in ubuntu by default, so that people only use sudo, and not login as root
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| 16:15 | (so what I'm saying is that maybe you didn't specify a password at all; you just didn't know that you can't login as root)
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| 16:16 | <garymc> dont know
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| 16:16 | I used to use username
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| 16:16 | root
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| 16:16 | and then the password, it no longer works
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> garymc: then do: sudo passwd
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| 16:18 | This will allow you to set a new root password
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| 16:19 | <garymc> alkisg is that after I do the reboot and password change?
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> ...why reboot?
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| 16:19 | OK anyway if you already found a solution, go ahead and do it, never mind :)
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| 16:19 | <||cw> not really sure how can youhave root and not know what users have sudo
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| 16:21 | <garymc> long time sinc eI touched this thing
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| 16:21 | <xsl> well i kinda agree with ||cw, but if you did a fresh install you were asked for a username - that one has sudo permissons
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| 16:22 | <xsl> well garymc, you have physical access to the server?
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| 16:22 | <garymc> yes
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| 16:22 | <xsl> if you do, boot in single mode and change the root password there
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| 16:23 | <garymc> boot in single mode?
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| 16:23 | <xsl> its like driving a car... and you need to have a license ... if you are root you should know what booting in single mode is
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| 16:23 | <||cw> init=/bin/bash, I think the link given covers that
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| 16:24 | xsl: is only
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| 16:24 | if^^
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| 16:24 | <xsl> yeah :)
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| 16:25 | <garymc> ok im in
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| 16:25 | sorted it
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| 16:25 | now im trying to deny access to all websites apart from my company website and google
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| 16:26 | google will just be for them to check connection
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| 16:26 | <xsl> why in the #LTSP channel you ask this?
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| 16:26 | <garymc> i have just edited host.deny
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| 16:26 | cos its an ltsp server
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| 16:26 | should i be in ubuntu?
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| 16:26 | <||cw> garymc: I don't think that's what hosts.deny does. you should do that at your firewall
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> stgraber: ltsp-client etc installed fine, but I can't test if it boots, as my system is a bit messed up these days...
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| 16:27 | <xsl> use ufw
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| 16:27 | <||cw> and with the google req, you'll probably need to use squid since the IP's change all the time and iptables can't deal with that
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| 16:27 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, I'll try these in a VM quickly then
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| 16:27 | <||cw> can ufw do hostname based filters?
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| 16:28 | I've not used it
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| 16:29 | <JesseC> What kind of router do you have?
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| 16:29 | I'd say at least 90% of all routers now have the ability to block or allow only on websites.
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| 16:29 | <xsl> well my advice to ufw its just that ... if hes all like ( i dont know how to enter and im root ) - i guess iptables will be a bit too much
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| 16:29 | <JesseC> So unless its 5 years old.. this should be extremely easy
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| 16:30 | <xsl> but JesseC is correct alot of routers have builtin firewalls with keywords and URL blocking
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| 16:30 | <JesseC> adding it at the ltsp server level is just complicating something that shouldn't be complicated. ;)
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| 16:37 | <garymc> superb the router option was best and easiest
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| 16:37 | cheers guys
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| 16:37 | <JesseC> always follow kiss
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| 16:37 | haha
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| 16:53 | <cfkane> Anybody have a relatively new LTSP install running that uses Pentium I clients? What host OS are you using?
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> cfkane: how much ram?
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| 17:12 | <cfkane> alkisg: Let's say 80MB (Yikes!) Could possibly scrape up 128
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> cfkane: try ubuntu 10.04, it runs ok with that
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| 17:15 | You'll also need LDM_DIRECTX=False
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| 17:15 | !directx
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| 17:15 | <ltsp> alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 17:22 | <cfkane> Thanks! (It'd be nice to have a real budget...)
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| 17:23 | <stgraber> alkisg: chroot built, let's see if that boots ;)
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| 17:24 | <stgraber> it boots
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| 17:24 | and unity-2d seems to start fine too
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> Nice! :)
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| 17:31 | <stgraber> hmm, xcompmgr + unity-2d in a VM don't seem to work too nicely together
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| 17:31 | well, they do when xcompmgr is started after unity-2d, otherwise Qt seems to be doing something weird and you end up with no background and no window besides the launcher and panel...
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| 17:52 | <stgraber> right, so we have a problem with unity-2d ... metacity apparantly can now act as a full compositing manager and will refuse to start if xcompmgr is already there...
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| 17:52 | the other way around isn't true though, xcompmgr will be happy to start on top of metacity/compiz/whatever
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| 17:53 | so I guess I'll have to change the check in ldm-trunk to turn off xcompmgr by default as xcompmgr itself is safe but the other compositing managers (so far, just metacity) aren't
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| 17:53 | <xsl> i never use compiz, allways use metacity
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| 17:53 | <stgraber> unless someone has a better idea...
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| 17:53 | vagrantc, alkisg: ^
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| 17:53 | <xsl> can't remember why i had problems with compiz... but it just didnt worked ok
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| 17:55 | <stgraber> alkisg, vagrantc: I'd go with http://paste.ubuntu.com/913377/ and simply suggest people to either turn on metacity's own compositor (which should give you the same advantages as xcompmgr) or if using something else, then set LDM_XCOMPMGR
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| 17:55 | <ogra_> you could make it automatically unset the metacity gconf key if xcompmgr runs
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| 17:57 | (as a proper fix for metacity, so it still starts up fine)
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| 17:58 | <stgraber> I don't really like the idea of LTSP modifying the user's configuration though as it's fairly common to have the same $HOME when using thin clients and regular desktop machines
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| 17:59 | <stgraber> I'd prefer having a reliable way of starting xcompmgr once the session is started because it does-the-right-thing and won't mess with an existing compositor
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| 18:01 | <ogra_> oh, i didnt mean that LTSO should fiddle with the gconf key of metacity :)
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| 18:01 | <ogra_> i mean to fix metacity to not start its own comp manager and ignore the key if it detects that composite is claimed already
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| 18:01 | <stgraber> ah right, yeah, that'd make sense ;)
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| 18:02 | <ogra_> metacity not starting up properly if xcompmgr runs smells like a bug to me
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| 18:03 | <stgraber> yeah, I'm still triple-checking it's the actual problem, but it certainly has to do with unity2d/metacity/xcompmgr
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| 18:07 | <stgraber> hmm, ok, it's apparently a bit more complex...
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| 18:07 | more like unity2d+metacity+xcompmgr in a VM... on a desktop machine I'm unable to reproduce
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| 18:07 | <ogra_> depends on your POV ... surely easier than making fpc compile on armhf :P
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| 18:07 | * stgraber tries with an intel netbook | |
| 18:09 | <neohaven> stgraber: what kind of VM?
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| 18:09 | <stgraber> kvm, cirrus graphic
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| 18:09 | <neohaven> Maybe it has something to do with that specific card being emulated in KVM...?
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| 18:10 | I've had all sorts of problems with KVM and graphics before, iirc.
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| 18:10 | <stgraber> yeah, that's what I'm trying to clarify, LTSP needs to work with that one though, so I want to check if getting the dri status on the thin client is enough to get a go/no-go for xcompmgr
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> stgraber: try with -vga vmware
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| 18:11 | (in kvm)
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| 18:11 | <stgraber> there's little point in doing compositing if X does it all in software anyway (no dri)
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| 18:11 | <neohaven> stgraber: true.
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> alkisg: testing on my netbook + kvm with vmware-vga
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| 18:12 | <neohaven> Actually, I kind of wonder what it is that X does to keep performance somewhat up when you don't have DRI but you want the fancy stuff.
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> hopefully it'll work on the netbook and I can just add a check on gfxinfo
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| 18:13 | alkisg: gah... same problem on the netbook
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| 18:14 | * alkisg wishes gnome-classic was the default session :D | |
| 18:14 | <stgraber> alkisg: right, so clear no-go for xcompmgr unless we can reliably start it after metacity/unity2d/whatever-pretends-to-do-compositing
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| 18:14 | alkisg: well, it's a actually a "bug" that it works on gnome-classic ;)
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| 18:14 | alkisg: as metacity should definitely do compositing by default there too
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> stgraber: why would one prefer the xcompmgr compositing over the metacity one?
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| 18:16 | <stgraber> alkisg: you wouldn't, that's why I proposed moving xcompmgr to the optional (LDM_XCOMPMGR flag) as our default desktop (unity2d) does the compositing anyway (I didn't know that when I implemented the xcompmgr stuff)
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| 18:16 | and I suspect other desktops using metacity will start turning on the compositing there too, just a matter of time. So no good reason forcing xcompmgr in LDM as for most people it'll just cause bugs and won't give any extra performance
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| 18:16 | <ogra_> its a metacity default btw, not a unity-2d thing (i.e. also applies to xubuntu)
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| 18:17 | heh, snap :)
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| 18:17 | <stgraber> ogra_: no, it's an override in the unity-2d gconf profile (according to what I see in the packaging)
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| 18:17 | <ogra_> hmm, i thought i sponsored a metacity upload for it
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> stgraber: and one can enable metacity composition even on gnome-classic, if he wants to?
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| 18:17 | <stgraber> ogra_: oh, well, maybe it's a pointless redundant gconf config then ;)
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| 18:18 | alkisg: yes, in gconf
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| 18:18 | <ogra_> yeah, that might be
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| 18:18 | * stgraber checks that it's not already there per ogra | |
| 18:18 | <alkisg> OK, then maybe we can just mention that in some doc and forget about the whole thing
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| 18:18 | <neohaven> stgraber: you're starting to use unity-2d in trunk? So basically, unity-2d/LDM instead of gnome-desktop/LDM?
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| 18:20 | <stgraber> neohaven: I'm the Ubuntu maintainer for LTSP, my default desktop environment is unity, not gnome-desktop (it's installable separately or when using edubuntu, not by default in ubuntu)
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| 18:20 | ogra_: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager is set to false here in gnome-fallback
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| 18:20 | <neohaven> stgraber: Yes, your name is all over the place! :)
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| 18:20 | <ogra_> by metacity or by gnome ?
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| 18:21 | <neohaven> stgraber: The version I have here at CSDL is gnome-desktop/LDM, afaict
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> There's a metacity-message utility, I wonder if it has some undocumented parameter to notify metacity to turn composition on...
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| 18:21 | <stgraber> ogra_: from what I see that's the schema's default value
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| 18:21 | <ogra_> hmm, k, probably the sponsored upload just enabled the key
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| 18:21 | but didnt set the default
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> (without permanately changing the gconf key, that is)
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| 18:21 | * ogra_ dowsnt have a metacity tree handy and is lazy :P | |
| 18:22 | <stgraber> vagrantc, alkisg: right so I guess the best is to remove X51-xcompmgr completely then?
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| 18:22 | <alkisg> stgraber: sounds good to me :)
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> whee.
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| 18:23 | <stgraber> alkisg: can you teach the bot about that key? so that we can point people to it when they're using a desktop where it's not the default already?
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| 18:23 | * vagrantc mostly tests with lxde | |
| 18:24 | <vagrantc> i really should test with gnome more often...
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| 18:24 | <stgraber> vagrantc: did it give a nice performance boost for lxde?
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| 18:24 | vagrantc: I'm certainly not against keeping the script and moving it to LDM_XCOMPMGR if it's useful for lxde
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i didn't notice anything
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| 18:25 | but i've only tested with LXDE on a qemu-kvm libvirt virtual machine ...
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| 18:26 | <stgraber> right, so probably not much to notice there ...
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| 18:26 | you should notice a 50% bandwith drop when moving windows and some latency/refresh improvements
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| 18:26 | <vagrantc> i don't have a standing lab to test stuff with, so i have to setup and teardown any time i want to test real hardware
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> stgraber: something like: !learn composition as To enable composition in gnome-fallback, try: gsettings set /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager ...
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| 18:27 | ...but I can't find the key in dconf-editor
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| 18:27 | <stgraber> alkisg: it's in good old gconf ;)
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> Hehe :D
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| 18:29 | * vagrantc doesn't even know if xcmpmgr was installed | |
| 18:29 | <alkisg> !disable_compiz
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| 18:29 | <ltsp> alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 18:29 | <stgraber> vagrantc, alkisg, ogra_: Right, I pushed r1430 to ldm-trunk making xcompmgr only start when LDM_XCOMPMGR is set, it doesn't hurt to have that 3 lines script around and might be useful for lxde and some others
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| 18:29 | <ogra_> ++
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> stgraber: will you leave the xcompmgr dependency to ltsp-client-core?
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> only one vowel, that's old-school unix
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| 18:31 | <stgraber> alkisg: if I do, I'll have to cherry-pick that commit and upload ldm too as unity2d won't work otherwise but I can certainly do that as having xcompmgr doesn't really take much space
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| 18:31 | alkisg: any reason to drop it from ltsp-client-core?
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> No no I was just asking, no particular reason
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| 18:31 | <stgraber> k
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| 18:32 | vagrantc: so I'll tag ltsp-trunk now and upload ltsp and ldm to Ubuntu (ldm being just a cherry-pick from ldm-trunk on top of our current ldm)
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> !learn composition as To enable composition in gnome-classic session, which speeds up screen updates and reduces bandwidth, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type boolean --set /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
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| 18:32 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 18:32 | <stgraber> vagrantc: unless you feel like uploading a new ldm to Debian ;)
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> could, it would handle the ltsp-common-functions -> ltsp-client-functions change ...
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| 18:33 | stgraber: to add a dependency on xcompmgr ?
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| 18:33 | <stgraber> oh, we actually have 3 commits in ldm-trunk, that's plenty enough for a release ;)
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| 18:33 | <vagrantc> technically only two, i'd say.
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| 18:33 | <stgraber> vagrantc: no, I have that dependency in ltsp-client-core currently, the cherry-pick is to disable xcompmgr by default as that's breaking unity2d (default session)
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| 18:34 | ltsp 5.3.7 tagged
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> cheers
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| 18:35 | <stgraber> vagrantc: actually, one thing I can do is drop xcompmgr from ltsp-client-core now and next time I sync ldm we'll get it back from the dependency/recommends that you'll add to ldm
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| 18:35 | (assuming you will add it :))
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> stgraber: recommends seems appropriate
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Also recomments are off by default on ubuntu thin chroots
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> really? :(
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 18:37 | <stgraber> oh, that'd be problematic ;)
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> I do wonder why though... even if we only have "main" in our sources, what harm would it do to have recommends on?
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| 18:38 | <stgraber> likely a few extra packages getting installed, we might try that for 12.10 and get the dependencies fixed when needed so we don't pull stuff we don't want
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| 18:39 | <ogra_> alkisg, i added it back in the days when we did the initial transition to install recommends by default and ended up with massively big img files
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| 18:40 | definitely something that should be revisited
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> OK... or at least we could only enable it while ltsp-build-client is running, not write it in the apt config
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| 18:41 | <ogra_> i think it should be enabled across the board but bad recommends should be adjusted where possible
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| 18:42 | it was really only to prevent huge dependency chains during the transition, somone needs to build a chroot with it disabled and compare to the current default
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| 18:42 | but thats nothing for post beta anyway :)
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> Yeah, it's 12.10 material
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| 18:47 | <stgraber> alkisg, vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/913453/
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| 18:47 | so I'm dropping xcompmgr for now, avoiding to create ldm delta at this point for no real good reason
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| 18:47 | it's in main already so if we add the depend on ldm (or recommend in 12.10), it should get promoted again without any problem
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| 18:54 | right, uploaded, hopefully the last LTSP for 12.04...
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| 18:55 | might still sync ldm if vagrantc uploads it soon but it's not critical, just a potential nice to have
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| 19:01 | * alkisg thinks 12.04 will be more stable for LTSP that he thought it'd be a few months back... :) | |
| 19:01 | <alkisg> There was too much restructuring involved
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> good thing we waited till the last minute :P
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| 19:34 | <daruma-du> plz, may i have some help with my lts.conf in fedora14 ?
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 19:34 | <ltsp> alkisg: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 19:35 | <Hyperbyte> daruma-du, Fedora 14? Wow.
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| 19:35 | <neohaven> daruma-du: What is the problem?
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| 19:36 | <daruma-du> ill describe
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| 19:36 | first thanks for your attention
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| 19:36 | well, im geting a msg saying that the monitor does not suport the video mode
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| 19:37 | Im using vesa at lts.conf
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| 19:37 | i have 2 kinds of thin clients amd geode GX and amd geode LX
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| 19:37 | <neohaven> Usually, when monitors say something about "unsupported video mode", they mean the resolution/refreshrate.
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| 19:38 | <daruma-du> the GX only accept vesa driver ... and LX only suport geode driver
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| 19:38 | <neohaven> Are you sure the resolution you're trying to get is supported by the screen you're using?
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| 19:38 | <daruma-du> 800x600 should work in almost all monitors
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| 19:39 | i cant understand why LX cant run vesa driver properly
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| 19:40 | <neohaven> Hmm.
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| 19:40 | <daruma-du> I keep changing the horzsync and vertrefresh and the monitor keeps giving me the msg "mode not suported" always with diferents H:xxx and V: xxx
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| 19:41 | <neohaven> Make sure those are supported by both the video card and the monitor.
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| 19:41 | <daruma-du> how do i can check that ?
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| 19:41 | <neohaven> Video card manuals and screen manuals, I'd guess.
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| 19:41 | <daruma-du> im sure that my monitor only suports 60hz on vert
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| 19:41 | <neohaven> At least that's where I'd start
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| 19:42 | Very probably indeed.
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| 19:42 | iirc, you don't actually *have* to set the refresh rate in lts.conf
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| 19:43 | I currently just have XRANDR_MODE_0="1920x1080" here.
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| 19:43 | <daruma-du> yeah ... but im setting the X_MODE_0 so I assume that i need to force xh and xv
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| 19:43 | what does XRANDR_MODE do ?
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| 19:44 | <neohaven> It probably calls xrandr behind the scenes to set the resolution.
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| 19:44 | It does set the resolution though. ;)
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| 19:44 | <daruma-du> never used it
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| 19:45 | <neohaven> It's what I have here, so I assume it should work on your side as well.
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| 19:45 | <daruma-du> hmmm
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| 19:45 | nah
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| 19:45 | <neohaven> So instead of setting the complete modeline, just tell it a resolution with XRANDR_MODE_0
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| 19:45 | <daruma-du> same problem
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| 19:46 | <neohaven> Can you paste your lts.conf somewhere? (Please redact any information I shouldn't get, like IP addresses and such)
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| 19:47 | <daruma-du> i just have X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 19:47 | X_HORZSYNC=31.0-60,0
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| 19:47 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 19:48 | X_VERTREFRESH=56.0-60.0
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| 19:48 | screen_01=ldm
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| 19:48 | <neohaven> Does the X server you're using support *some* autoconfiguration?
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| 19:48 | <daruma-du> xorg
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| 19:48 | yes
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| 19:48 | X11
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| 19:48 | <neohaven> I haven't touched Fedora14 in a while.
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| 19:48 | <daruma-du> i WAS loving it
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| 19:48 | hahahah
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| 19:49 | <neohaven> well, you might want to try not setting any of that. ;)
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| 19:49 | ie. Just see if you can let it autodetect the driver.
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| 19:50 | <daruma-du> ok, let me see
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| 19:50 | <neohaven> Comment those lines out, and if you need to set resolution manually, try the XRANDR_MODE_0 line.
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| 19:50 | <daruma-du> ok
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| 19:50 | trying that rn
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| 19:51 | <Hyperbyte> daruma-du, what happens when you remove your lts.conf and just use the default options?
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| 19:51 | <daruma-du> dude
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| 19:52 | wanna marry me ?
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| 19:52 | thanks so much
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| 19:53 | well Hyperbyte ... if I do that the thin client(LX) run normaly but the thin client(GX) do not !
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| 19:54 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 19:54 | Why are you using Fedora 14, either way?
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| 19:54 | <daruma-du> My customer is
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| 19:54 | and im suporting him
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| 19:54 | or trying
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| 19:55 | <Hyperbyte> mhmm... okay
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| 19:55 | <daruma-du> well, same problem again ...with GX using XRANDR_MODE_0=800x600
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| 19:55 | <neohaven> daruma-du: you're welcome. :)
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| 19:55 | <daruma-du> the TC gc didnt came up
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| 19:56 | GX
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| 19:56 | i mean
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| 19:56 | <neohaven> daruma-du: Okay so... the LX comes up, but not the GX?
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| 19:56 | <daruma-du> ye
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| 19:57 | Can I still set up XSERVER even using XRANDR ?
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| 19:57 | <neohaven> yeah.
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| 19:57 | at worst, try it.
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| 19:57 | <daruma-du> hehe, doing !
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| 20:00 | nah
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| 20:00 | ahhhhh
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| 20:01 | <neohaven> ...?
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| 20:02 | <daruma-du> didnt worked
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| 20:02 | didnt work
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| 20:02 | im trying now, older bios to LX
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| 20:03 | assuming they are close to GX bios
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| 20:03 | <neohaven> Hmm.
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| 20:10 | <daruma-du> didnt work too
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| 20:10 | neither
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| 20:11 | <neohaven> Hmm. Really weird. You've made me run out of the bit of knowledge I have about X configuration with LTSP
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| 20:11 | Sorry I couldn't help for that last problem. =/
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| 20:11 | <daruma-du> is there any way of using diferent configuration insted of using the MAC ADDRESS ?
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| 20:12 | <neohaven> What do you mean?
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| 20:13 | <daruma-du> well, if i had only one LX and a lot of GX ... i could use standart lts.conf as vesa and set up the mac address of LX and run it with geode
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| 20:14 | but i have 200 GX and 50 LX ... and I dont wanna be setting up every new MAC address
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| 20:14 | i got what i mean ?
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| 20:15 | <neohaven> I can only speak of the configuration I have here and the version I have here
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| 20:15 | But let's see.
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| 20:16 | Actually, are you using LTSP or LTSP-cluster?
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| 20:16 | Because I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is relevant in LTSP without ltsp-config
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| 20:16 | <daruma-du> ltsp
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| 20:17 | <neohaven> I'm not sure how you'd do that. Technically, ltsp-cluster was made to ease configuration of a lot of clients, so I'm pretty sure that what I'm thinking is only available in ltsp-cluster.
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| 20:17 | Sorry again. :)
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| 20:18 | <daruma-du> Its ok
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| 20:18 | Thanks for your attention
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| 20:19 | <neohaven> No problem. :)
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| 20:22 | <andygraybeal> yay yay yay yay! life is excellent. and ltsp works wonders.
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| 20:23 | still need to work on supplying myself more coffee all the time though.
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| 20:23 | it's expensive!
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| 20:23 | <vagrantc> in recent versions of ltsp you could set up a ltsp_config.d and write some simple code to conditionally set varriables.
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| 20:23 | so you could detect GX or LX there and set XSERVER appropriately.
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| 20:23 | but i'm not sure fedora has support for that...
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| 20:24 | (fedora hasn't updated LTSP in some time)
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| 20:24 | <daruma-du> ok
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| 20:24 | ill check
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| 20:24 | thanks
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| 20:28 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeal, LTSP rocks! :-)
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| 20:32 | <andygraybeal> Hyperbyte, exactly
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| 20:35 | <daruma-du> You guys love it just becouse you dont use legacy machines !!
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| 20:35 | =)
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| 20:37 | <andygraybeal> daruma-du, this is probably true ;) i cannot say.
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| 20:38 | <daruma-du> LTSP is a wonderful tool when properly used
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| 20:38 | * vagrantc still uses P-III machines ... | |
| 20:39 | <highvoltage> I still have two geodes on my desk but I'm not crazy enough to use them for anything else than paperweights.
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| 20:40 | <daruma-du> hehehe
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| 20:40 | geode LX ?
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| 20:40 | if so, ure safe !
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| 20:54 | <||cw> the P3's I have are too crappy in the graphics dept to be useful :/
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| 20:54 | damned intel video
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| 21:15 | * alkisg uses Celerons @350 with 64 MB RAM in schools... :) | |
| 21:27 | <||cw> bit of video lag is probably OK in schools, but when you are paying a guy by the hour to wait for it, it's not ok
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| 21:28 | <alkisg> Youtube sucks, yeah, but I can play an xdiv video fullscreen in more than10 computers without lag or dropped frames
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| 21:31 | <||cw> tricksy
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| 21:31 | I just have issues with local rdesktop :/
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| 21:32 | * alkisg prefers local VMs (over ltsp) when possible instead of the laggy rdesktop | |
| 21:32 | <alkisg> X and XVideo is much faster than rdesktop
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| 21:33 | <andygraybeal> local vm's sound awesome :)
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| 21:38 | <||cw> that doens't help when terminal server is what's handed down
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| 22:13 | <nsd_> Hey everyone, - We're a school district that has been running K12ltsp since 2004-5. It's always just worked great.
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| 22:13 | Our students have moved over to google docs and the browser in K12ltsp it to old. So we were going to upgrade the servers to Ubuntu 10.x running ltsp 5
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| 22:13 | We did this on one or 2 servers and found we could only support maybe 10 clients per server, unlike out LTSP 4.2 install that could easily handle 60 or more.
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| 22:13 | I think our clients are to old and slow to support them being fat clients. Using them as fat clients was terrible as well.
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| 22:14 | So i'm not really sure what to do at this point, do we just upgrade the clients? Look into clustering LTSP 5? Try to figure out a way to get ltsp 4.2 to run a current browser? I'm stumped.
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| 22:20 | <nsd_> anyone? anyone?
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| 23:30 | <vagrantc> nsd_, come back!
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