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Channel log from 28 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> is that the same patch alksig posted to the ltsp-developer list a few days ago
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| 00:35 | <Ryan52> yep
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| 01:30 | <try2free> why my welcome login screen very small, i can't see? how to fix?
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| 02:56 | <Mathis> hello
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| 02:57 | it seems kiwi-ltsp still is buggy
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| 03:19 | <Mathis> somehow kiwi-ltsp-setup -c never touches the nbd server config files nor starts the nbd server
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| 03:19 | is that intended?
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| 03:21 | <Drakonen> Mathis: join #kiwi-ltsp
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| 03:23 | <Mathis> I'm already there
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| 03:24 | it seems something is wrong with the nbd package
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| 03:25 | the Yast software management shows me an nbd package file list, containing more than one file in /etc/nbd-server/
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| 03:25 | but somehow it doesnt install more than /etc/nbd-server/config.example
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| 03:25 | even when reinstalling it
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| 03:26 | <ogra> on normal ltsp5 implementations the nbd server is handled by inetd ... not sure what kiwi does
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| 03:26 | <Mathis> ogra: seems to be independantly of LTSP in general
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| 03:27 | <ogra> it isnt in normal ltsp environments on distros that implement ltsp5 upstream, kiwi is quite different so i cant say how they handle it there
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| 03:27 | usually ltsp-update-image adds a configured nbdrootd line to inetd.conf
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| 03:31 | <alkisg> ogra (hi - sorry for the direct question - need your wisdom :)) I'm creating a collection of shell scripts that would display a menu with some standard tasks for ltsp management: updating chroot etc. Is it weird if I use debconf for its user-interface? Because db_input won't be used to answer a configuration question, it'll be used to enable the user to select a task from the menu... :/
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| 03:32 | <ogra> well, debconf uses a database, do you need stored values for the UI ? also dont forget debconf isnt available on non debian based systems, i'D go with plain whiptail
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| 03:32 | <alkisg> I like it's localization infrastructure, I prefer not to do it with zenity....
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| 03:32 | whiptail? /me googles
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| 03:33 | <ogra> looks like the debconf ui but isnt so closely bound to the debconf db infrastructure
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| 03:34 | <alkisg> thanks man :)
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| 03:58 | <Mathis> when adding entries to the local-app variable in ltsp-config, do I also have to make sure the corresponding package is installed somewhere?
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| 04:08 | <Mathis> I'd like to install dvdrip and transcode locally to my LTSP clients
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| 04:08 | since the server is 64bit, I cannot take the packages from there directly
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| 04:10 | would adding "dvdrip transcode" to LTSP_LOCALAPPS be sufficient? (me has openSUSE 11.1 64bit)
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| 04:19 | <Mathis> my question was not rhetoric.
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| 05:24 | <Appiah> isnt ltsp_localapps supposed to be true/false
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| 05:25 | or by LTSP_LOCAL apps you you mean chrooting in the client image and adding transcode and dvdrip (name of packages) ?
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| 05:27 | <Mathis> LTSP_LOCALAPPS is a string
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| 05:28 | "Add space separated list of packages to be installed ..."
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| 05:28 | does it mean I have to supply just the name, i.e. transcode dvdrip ?
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| 05:29 | or do I have to supply a more "complete" name like dvdrip-0.98.10.pm.0.i586.rpm ?
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| 05:29 | I have tried the last one, whereas kiwi-ltsp-setup -s runs fine
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| 05:29 | but then dvdrip is missing on the clients
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| 05:29 | <Appiah> what version and what dist?
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| 05:30 | oh kiwi is suse
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| 05:30 | <Mathis> openSUSE 11.1
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| 05:30 | 64bit
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| 05:30 | <Appiah> then I have no idea
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| 05:30 | <Mathis> doesnt LTSP5 also support local apps?
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| 05:30 | I think, I read something about that
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| 05:31 | <Appiah> it does
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| 05:31 | but I have no idea on how kiwi adds the applications ...
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| 05:31 | I've been chrooting in the image and just installing the applications
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| 05:32 | no LTSP_LOCALAPPS in a file to tell what is supposed to be in it
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| 05:32 | first time I heard of it
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| 05:32 | <Mathis> I have already added the packman repository to config.xml (in /usr/share/kiwi/image/ltsp/suse-11.1)
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| 05:33 | <Appiah> like I've said , got no kiwi experince what so ever
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| 05:33 | <Mathis> the problem is: the host is a 64bit OS, while the clients are 32bit
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| 05:33 | I cannot simply chroot to it and install packages, it might then install 64bit packages in a 32bit environment
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| 05:37 | well, thanks for replying
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| 05:45 | interesting to see that with LTSP_LOCALAPPS="transcode" the kiwi-ltsp-setup -s runs fine (until now)
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| 05:46 | Appiah: do you happen to know if there is a switch so that the clients dont load a displaymanager (and with it X and a desktop) ?
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| 05:48 | <Appiah> hmm LTSP without LDM? No sorry never heard of that kind of setup
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| 05:48 | but there should be a set of scripts that it runs at the startup
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| 05:49 | <Mathis> since my clients are all disk-/monitor- and keyboard-less, I dont need any graphical console
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| 05:49 | <Appiah> maybe you can could remove the one? :P
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| 05:49 | <Mathis> ?
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| 05:50 | <Appiah> the script that will launch ldm..
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| 05:50 | <Mathis> if it is a script at all...
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| 05:51 | <ogra> Mathis, SCREEN_07=shell
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| 05:51 | in lts.conf
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| 05:51 | <Mathis> thanks
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| 05:51 | <Appiah> but wont LDM show up somewhere else then?
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| 05:51 | or is it completley disabled?
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| 05:51 | <ogra> right
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| 05:51 | if the tty is taken by a shell ldm wont attempt to start
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| 05:52 | <Appiah> ah ok
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| 05:52 | thought it would be looking for another tty to launch it on or something like that
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| 05:52 | <Mathis> yippes, finally got transcode installed on the clients
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| 06:01 | nice... cannot mount.nfs
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| 06:01 | in my clients
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| 06:08 | <Appiah> have an error?
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| 06:10 | <Mathis> mount.nfs not found
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| 06:10 | seems I have to additionally install the nfs-client too
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| 06:13 | hopefully I dont need the dvdrip package too
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| 06:21 | <Mathis> okay, this also now works
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| 06:37 | <Mathis> seems I need some ogmmerge package too (for transcode)
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| 06:42 | the usual pain... ogmtools (containing ogmmerge) is not accepted by kiwi-ltsp-setup
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| 06:48 | seems to have been only a missing repository (luckily)
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| 07:11 | <Mathis> aaaaand the 3rd time setting up password-less ssh-login
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| 07:14 | I copied over the .ssh/id_rsa.pub to /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/authorized_keys and rebooted the client; still it wants a password?!?
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| 07:28 | <Drakonen> Mathis: did you look in the message log?
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| 07:28 | do the keys have the correct permissions?
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| 07:29 | <Mathis> Drakonen: have solved it; had to adjust the /srv/tftpboot/KIWI/config.default again
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| 07:29 | was probably overwritten by the script
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| 07:48 | <Mathis> does anyone of you know where I can remove the informations describing the clients? I want to remove one specific clients data
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| 08:04 | <Mathis> it seems to store the client IP address connected to the client MAC address on the server
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| 08:04 | but I am unable to find out where it is
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| 08:05 | it is definately not in /etc/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:13 | <Appiah> that would be a dhcp lease
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| 08:13 | should be a dhcpd.lease file
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| 08:13 | you can edit your dhcpd.conf on how long leases should be
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| 08:14 | (you can edit dhcpd.lease in texteditor of your choice and just remove the lease)
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| 08:15 | <Mathis> where should the dhcpd.lease sit?
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| 08:15 | <Appiah> /var/lib/dhcp/ somewhere
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| 08:16 | I'm not very good on where suse stores it stuff
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| 08:16 | you could always updatedb; locate dhcpd.lease
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| 08:16 | or find
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| 08:16 | <Mathis> found it
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| 08:17 | just removing should help, I guess
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> if you remove the whole file you need to recreate it
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| 08:18 | <Mathis> I guess, I will insert the MAC addresses directly into my /etc/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:18 | <Appiah> and make it writeable
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| 08:20 | <Mathis> thanks alot
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| 08:45 | <matttttt> is there an accepted or preferred way of estimating ltsp server hardware specs needed for a specific # of clients/applications?
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> matttttt: check the docs
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| 08:49 | !docs
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> alkisg: and Ryan52: it won't work in all circumstances
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| 08:51 | I've got a better solution, I'll get it into the tree.
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| 08:52 | the problem is, any errors on the ssh socket can produce output on the shell line at any time during the login
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| 08:52 | we're clearing the output right after login, but if some happens after, the socket won't close.
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| 08:53 | I've solved it here by creating a thread after login that just clears out any output on the ssh process, and runs in the background.
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| 08:53 | I'll get it into the tree today or tomorrow.
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: google sbalneav
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| 09:04 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Search took 0.18 seconds: “~ sbalneav /ltsp/ldm-glibc” branch in Launchpad: <https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ldm-glibc>; “~ sbalneav /ltsp/ltsp-docs- sbalneav ” branch in Launchpad: <https://code.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/ltsp/ltsp-docs-sbalneav>; Linux Terminal Server Project Administrator's Reference: <http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html>; Ubuntu (2 more messages)
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: list
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| 09:29 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Factoids, Google, Internet, Misc, Owner, Seen, Status, and User
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| 09:32 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: nice supybot :)
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> Lumiere: Someone in #edubuntu's trying to set one up, I'm just checking some things
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> There's only 2 things about bots that are useful, I think
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| 09:34 | seen and factoids
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| 09:34 | <ltsplogbot> I don't know who oids is.
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| 09:50 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: I use one on another network for autoop
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| 09:50 | but that's about it
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| 09:51 | * Gadi liked the translate that nubae's bot had | |
| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Where's nubae's bot?
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> dunno where it went
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| 09:52 | used to be able to do:
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| 09:52 | @help
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| 09:52 | and get a response
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| 09:52 | must be slacking off
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| 09:52 | nubae: where's ur bot?
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| 09:53 | <johnny> neat.. for pulse
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| 09:53 | http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/earcandy-is-smart-pulseaudio-volume.html
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Hmm, there's a newer version of supybot available, and it comes with a babelfish plugin
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> yeah, I think he was using supybot, come to think of it
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| 09:56 | also had a "scholar" feature
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| 09:56 | and some others
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| 10:05 | <sbalneav> Wierd, they mention a babelfish plugin in the docs, and relnotes, but it's not actually in the source anywhere
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> sbalneav, would you mind having a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ldm/+bug/375278 whenever you have some free time? It's ssh-process-related...
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| 10:07 | (07:03:12 πμ) Ryan52: sbalneav: please steal that bug from me and apply the fix if you look at it.
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> alkisg: yeah, that patch doesn't fully fix it.
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> Really? Can I help somehow?
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| 10:08 | <sbalneav> I've fixed it here. We need to launch a thread that sits in the background and keeps the stdout of the ssh process clean.
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| 10:09 | My patch is sorta gross, so I'm going to clean it up a bit today, and I'll patch upstream.
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> My main problem was before the stdout cleanup, because ldm_wait waited for the wrong process...
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> atm, I'm still knee-deep in sabayon, and don't want to stop on that or I'll lose the thread
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> Thanks
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> that's to solve the cases where your session gets stuck on the wallpaper on logout ?
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> stgraber, yes
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| 10:09 | <stgraber> or is that another ssh process related issue ?
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| 10:09 | good, looking forward to that :)
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| 10:26 | <johnny> hmm.. i guess i need to figure out another way to run student-control-panel remotely
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| 10:27 | silly thing wants gksudo, but when run under ssh -X ... it doesn't complete
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| 10:27 | hmm.. i guess i can just modify the sudoers file.. i hope it understands
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| 10:48 | <moldy> hi
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| 10:48 | johnny: ping :)
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| 10:48 | <johnny> hello
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| 10:49 | <moldy> johnny: student-control-panel looks interesting. but it does not show me the logged in clients. do i need to do anything special to see them? do i need to install anything on the clients?
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| 10:49 | <johnny> no
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| 10:49 | it worked for me on intrepid just fine
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| 10:49 | <moldy> hmm, weird
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| 10:50 | <johnny> the vnc part didn't work.. but that is known, and should be removed in newer versions
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| 10:51 | <moldy> johnny: where/how do you run the thing?
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| 10:51 | can it be run from a client?
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| 10:54 | <johnny> i doubt it
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| 10:54 | oh.. probably
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| 10:54 | since you have to sudo it
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| 10:54 | <ogra> sure it can
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| 10:55 | <moldy> i did use sudo
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| 10:55 | <johnny> then it should be fine
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| 10:55 | <moldy> but the left part where it says "all users" is empty, even though several people are logged in
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| 10:55 | and no error message :-/
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| 10:56 | do the users need to be in a special group or something?
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| 11:02 | trying to dig through the code right now...
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| 11:05 | ugh, the code mixes tabs and spaces?
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| 11:11 | ps eaxww|grep "bash -c"|grep "LTSP_CLIENT"|grep PPID|grep -v grep
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| 11:12 | <moldy> it uses that command to find the logged-in clients, it seems. that grep command is failing at the PPID part
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| 11:27 | yep, that grep command is buggy :)
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> take out the grep PPID
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| 11:30 | we no longer kill the PPID
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| 11:32 | <cliebow> just as well
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| 11:33 | i hate giving away my last cigarette before we kill them
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| 11:43 | <laga> cliebow: :)
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| 11:43 | <johnny> ahh.. so that means student-control-panel doesn't actually work anymore Gadi :)
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| 11:43 | ogra needs to pay attention to that :)
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| 11:45 | moldy, so does removing the PPID fix it?
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| 11:48 | * Gadi doesn't think student-control-panel is maintained | |
| 11:48 | <Gadi> :)
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| 11:49 | <johnny> Gadi, ogra fixed it up enough
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| 11:49 | before the latest release
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> I'm trying to use whiptail to create a collection of scripts to make it easier for teachers to use ltsp. So when I use whiptail --menu, it creates a menu and writes the output to stderr. How can I get that into a shell variable?
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| 13:27 | I could use `whiptail --menu ... 2>/tmp/somefile` and then cat the file, but isn't there any other way to capture stderr without temp files?
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Argh... I hate it when I can find my questions in google without finding the answers :( http://osdir.com/ml/user-groups.linux.dunedin.general/2006-09/msg00017.html
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> alkisg: in my experience with whiptail, the answer is no
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| 13:40 | which begs the question: why are you using a console-based GUI?
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> @#(*$&(@# :)
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> s/GUI/interface/
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> Well I want to make some scripts for the teachers to easily do some common ltsp tasks
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| 13:41 | update the chroot is an example
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> zenity?
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| 13:41 | gdialog?
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| 13:41 | *dialog
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> That would be fine, but I also want them to see the output of the commands
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> you can do that
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| 13:42 | have it keep a log
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> So how can I use zenity and have an open terminal (that doesn't pop-up) and be decent?
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> and then they can display the log at the end
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Some commands may require input from the user, I don't want to mess with screen scraping
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> you have to worry about that with whiptail, too
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> With whiptail I'll just get what they select from the menu, and drop back to the terminal, and let them provide any additional info (if needed)
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| 13:43 | With zenity, I won't have a terminal to drop back to
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> I see what you're after
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| 13:45 | so, for the menu and such in whiptail, write a function
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| 13:45 | myFunction() {
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> ...yeah I guess a python script would be required. Or would calling mktemp all the time be enough?
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> TMP=$(mktemp)
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| 13:46 | $* 2>$TMP
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> ANSWER=$(cat $TMP)
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> OK Gadi I got the idea, thanks. Sucks, but usabel :)
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> rm $TMP
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| 13:46 | }
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| 13:47 | <Treyh> by default, if you have a usb printer hooked up to a ltsp client, when it boots, it won't have the printer correct?
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> OK. I got it to be plugin based, so when I finish it I'll upload it somewhere, maybe someone will be interested
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| 13:48 | Thanks!
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| 13:48 | <Treyh> alkisg: what is that?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> A collection of scripts for teachers, like "update chroot" "create an example lts.conf" "create an example dhcpd.conf" etc
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| 13:48 | <Treyh> cool
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| 13:49 | <Lns> alkisg: we need to join forces soon :)
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| 13:49 | possibly along with jan weber of opensuse/easyLTSP gui
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| 13:50 | Treyh: yes, you need to configure the printer via lts.conf in a client specific section
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> Lns, sure. But I'm just looking for a hackish way to make installation/administration easier, while easyLTSP is a more proper solution (which I hope will finally start becoming cross-distro)
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| 13:51 | <Treyh> Lns: thank you
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| 13:51 | <Lns> alkisg: sure...but we all start somewhere
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| 13:51 | =)
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| 13:52 | Word on the list today is that easyLTSP will try to be cross platform in the newer releases, and is being re-written in python, which would be awesome because tcm-ng is also written in that
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| 13:53 | <Treyh> is easyltsp still using opensuse?
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| 13:54 | well I mean does it run on opensuse?
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Lns, ok, that's a more proper long-term solution, I hope both of them work out. My sch-scripts is a short-term solution, i.e. I intent to finish most of the plugins within a week.
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| 13:55 | <Lns> I haven't used easyltsp at all before, but it looks fair, though incredibly opensuse/kiwi specific
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| 13:56 | We're planning for tcm-ng to be extensible through plugins, so hopefully it will be very easy to add your own code and extend the functionality
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| 13:56 | along with all of the already awesome code from ogra through ltsp-manager and tcm
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| 14:42 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 14:42 | <matttttt> so i just enabled nxagent
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| 14:42 | is there any way to benchmark and see what kind of benefit i'm getting from nx compression?
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| 14:45 | <CAN-o-SPAM> hi jamm
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| 14:46 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 14:46 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:46 | hey Alex
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| 14:52 | <Treyh> i keep getting a tftp timeout error
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| 14:57 | <sbalneav> Treyh: tftp might not be running, or your dhcp server might not be pointing your TC at the right server
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| 14:58 | <Treyh> sbalneav: i fixed it, had to ltsp-image-update and reboot, strange lol
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| 15:42 | <Treyh> I have a couiple clients that keep getting a kernel panic error
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| 15:42 | they stop and have a blinking cursor right before LTSP Client should flash on the screen
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| 15:46 | <sbalneav> Treyh: That's going to be real hard to debug without knowing what the clients are :)
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| 15:46 | <Treyh> sbalneav: one example is a dell laptop, d610
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| 15:47 | I also have one of their mac addresses
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| 15:47 | tried searching through /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages with no match
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> Well, setting XSERVER=vesa in the lts.conf file might be a good place to start.
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| 15:48 | <Treyh> so I set that mac to use the Vesa Driver and am updating the image now
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| 15:48 | yup just did that
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| 15:48 | <sbalneav> Also, I'd do a memtest on the client.
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| 15:48 | <Treyh> think might be a hardware memory problem?
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| 15:48 | that makes sense....
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| 15:48 | I didn't think of that
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| 15:52 | <Treyh> on ubuntu, after updating lts.conf do I h ave to rebuild the client?
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| 15:52 | <sbalneav> no, just a reboot
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| 15:53 | <Treyh> reboot of server or client
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| 15:53 | <sbalneav> client
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| 15:54 | <Treyh> !pastebot
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| 15:54 | <ltspbot`> Treyh: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:54 | <ltsppbot> "Treyh" pasted "[default] RDP_OPTIONS = "-a 16" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/360
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| 15:54 | <Treyh> see anything wrong with that lts.conf ?
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| 15:55 | <sbalneav> off the top of my head, no, but I never use rdesktop, so I don't know if those options are correct.
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| 15:56 | gave up windows entirely a decade ago :)
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| 15:56 | <Treyh> :P
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| 15:56 | i wish I could
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| 15:56 | i'm sure the rdesktop options are correct because they work on all my other clients
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| 15:56 | <Treyh> just making sure really the specific mac address entries were correct
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> seem fine to me
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| 15:57 | <Treyh> ty
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| 15:58 | what log would I look at, maybe it will point my in the right direction
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> No log on the server's going to have anything about a thin client kernel panic
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| 15:59 | <Treyh> May 28 15:56:29 ltsp in.tftpd[5476]: tftp: client does not accept options
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> if the kernel's actually panicing, then there's something wonky on the client.
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| 16:02 | <jammcq> 'client does not accept options' is definately not causing the problem
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| 16:02 | that's just an informational message
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| 16:03 | <Treyh> got it
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| 16:03 | so do a memtest
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| 16:03 | see if it passes or fails
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| 16:03 | get memtest from memtest.org
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| 16:05 | <Treyh> so if memtest passes
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| 16:05 | what would be next?
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> Dunno.
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| 16:07 | We'll burn that bridge when we come to it :)
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| 16:09 | <Treyh> k
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| 16:09 | memtest is running, going good so far
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| 16:09 | it's around 50% with no errors yet
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| 16:12 | ok it just past 90% with no errors
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| 16:12 | i'll let it finish, but probably going to turn out with 0 errors
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| 16:12 | darn it, i wanted that to be it lol
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| 16:12 | i'm tired of messing with that darn laptop and desktop
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> how much memory in the desktop?
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| 16:13 | <Treyh> 256
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| 16:15 | the lowest is 256
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| 16:15 | the laptop with the same problem is using 512mb
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| 16:15 | <sbalneav> So amount of ram isn't the problem then.
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| 16:15 | <Treyh> hmmmm, when i specify a default and a mac option in lts.conf
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> Can you boot, say, a live cd on one of these machines?
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| 16:16 | <Treyh> does the default option get applied to each individual mac also?
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| 16:16 | sure
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> sure, as in, yes it boots, or sure, as in, let me try that ? :)
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| 16:17 | * Gadi blames all of life's problems on acpi | |
| 16:18 | <Treyh> let me try that
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| 16:18 | it's booting the live cd now
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| 16:18 | it had windows on it before, windows 2000, but I've taken the hard drive out
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| 16:18 | * alkisg thinks the problems are there because life isn't open source | |
| 16:18 | <Treyh> lol
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> Gadi: You're probably correct. It'll be something along those lines, likely
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| 16:19 | <Treyh> i have about a million of those laptops
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| 16:19 | and only a handful don't work with ltsp
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| 16:19 | * Gadi always looks askance at acpi - he makes the perfect patsy | |
| 16:19 | <Gadi> Treyh: that laptop model has been used to define about a million different collections of hardware
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| 16:19 | :)
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> Treyh: so... if you have a million, and only a few dont work....
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| 16:20 | <Treyh> lol
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> why not just circular file 'em and move on? :)
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| 16:20 | <Treyh> trust me I agree with you
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> Right, then it's settled.
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| 16:20 | <Treyh> but it's a school district, they need and use all of them on a daily basis
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| 16:20 | <matttttt> i just added a second ltsp server, added the server to the LDM_SERVER list, the second server shows up under preferences\select host now when I pxeboot kiwi-ltsp from the primary server now, but i can't login to the new server, just times out. looks like ssh traffic is the last TC->new/secondary ltsp server traffic i see before LDM restarts.
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| 16:20 | <Treyh> if 5 don't work
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| 16:20 | they're 5 short
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| 16:20 | <matttttt> any ideas?
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| 16:21 | <Treyh> sbalneav: so they don't have to work, but if I can get them to work, it would be a great help
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| 16:21 | I'm seeing more and more donated stuff with the same problem
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| 16:21 | they're good desktops / laptops, just seems like one little thing is off
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> Treyh: another thing to try would be to look at a WORKING one's bios, and one of the NON working ones, and check for differences
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| 16:22 | <Treyh> sbalneav: have set both back to defaults, also set a working one back to defaults
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> k, I'm out of ideas then.
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> matttttt: you need to add that server's ssh keys to the chroot's list of known hosts
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| 16:22 | matttttt: or cheat and turn StrictHostKeyChecking off
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| 16:22 | :)
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> Anywho, heading home for the day.
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> but nobody likes me when I say that
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| 16:23 | <matttttt> how do i go about doing it the first way? :)
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I love it when you talk config file ese to me.
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| 16:23 | be on later tonight.
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> matttttt: have a look at the contents of: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 16:24 | <Treyh> sbalneav: ty for the help
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| 16:25 | <matttttt> just copy the contents from the ssh_known_hosts on my new server to that file on my primary?
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> matttttt: hmm, I don't think you need all of it
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Gadi: speaking about StrictHostKeyChecking, I think SSH_OPTS support in lts.conf is now broken, can I verify and send a patch?
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> only the ones for that host
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| 16:26 | alkisg: you dont need my permission to fix what's broken
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| 16:26 | :)
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Erm, actually I wasn't sure if it was *ever* supported as an lts.conf parameter
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| 16:27 | It would be a cool thing, though :)
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| 16:27 | <Gadi> indeed - would you just add it for the SENTINEL?
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| 16:27 | it prolly makes most sense for just the SENTINEL connection
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| 16:28 | (ie the master socket)
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> No, I want it to avoid updating keys, i.e. CheckHostIP no StrictHostKeyChecking no LogLevel ERROR
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> many opts won't work if its not the master control socket
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> Ah ok
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> so, you may need to get out your C screwdriver
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| 16:28 | :)
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> Ouch. I guess I didn't get what you're saying yet, re-reading...
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| 16:29 | <matttttt> ok added the keys from ssh_known_hosts on my new server that referenced itself to the file on my primary, same problem persists. perhaps i need to add the keys for my primary to my secondary?
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| 16:29 | <alkisg> Ah, you mean ldm. Sure, no problem
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> matttttt: did you update the image?
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| 16:30 | <matttttt> hmm, nope. and actually the file I edited was in /srv/tftpboot/KIWI
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> alkisg: yeah, sorry - I am barely coherent at this time of day
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| 16:30 | matttttt: ah do whatever kiwi need to update the image
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| 16:31 | after you edit the chroot's ssh_known_hosts file
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> So.... would the other devs agree for allowing SSH_OPTS to be an lts.conf parameter? (please? :))
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| 16:31 | <Gadi> alkisg: patch first - ask questions later
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| 16:31 | :)
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| 16:31 | <alkisg> Heh ok I'll send a mail to ltsp-devs
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| 17:06 | <Lumiere> johnny: earcandy is totally awesome
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| 17:06 | thank you!
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| 17:37 | <lupine_85> is there any particularly compelling reason to use ldm over [gkx]dm?
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| 17:52 | <Lns> even though you're not here lupine_85.....security?
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| 18:23 | <johnny> lupine_85, uhmm.. because it is required :)
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| 18:23 | lupine_85, i assume you like local devices, sound, local apps, etc
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| 18:23 | :)
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| 18:24 | <lupine_85> erm, yeah, those things all seem nice :)
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| 18:24 | <johnny> that's why
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| 18:24 | <lupine_85> I didn't realise they were dependent on LDM
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| 18:24 | <johnny> yes
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| 18:24 | at least for the moment
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| 18:24 | <lupine_85> right... I should probably prod my work about that too
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| 18:24 | <vagrantc> well, to have it work so easily- you could cobble some of it together with xdmcp
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| 18:24 | <lupine_85> right now it's a trip to the server room if you want to plug in a USB drive;)
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| 18:24 | <johnny> the ldm code is basically glue around an ssh connection :)
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| 18:25 | vagrantc, !
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| 18:25 | vagrantc, may we meet again someday
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| 18:25 | <lupine_85> I'm all for thin clients, but there's a limit ;)
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> ldm allows a lot more flexibility, as it allows to run code, hooks, etc. client-side. xdmcp is basically *all* server-side.
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| 18:25 | johnny: indeed!
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| 18:26 | <johnny> lupine_85, well.. usb devices should just work right now
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| 18:26 | what problems are you having?
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| 18:26 | <lupine_85> you plug them in, you don't see the,
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| 18:27 | ...m
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| 18:27 | (this is with gdm)
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| 18:27 | <johnny> in gnome?
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| 18:27 | <lupine_85> aye
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| 18:27 | <johnny> ah
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| 18:27 | yes.. that would be teh case
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| 18:27 | <lupine_85> I suspect the guy who set this up (many moons ago now) didn't know about that effect
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| 18:27 | I think we're still using esd for sound too
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| 18:28 | * lupine_85 has taken it upon himself to make it all better(tm) :) | |
| 18:32 | <johnny> uhmm.. just using a new version of ltsp should make it better :)
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| 18:32 | <lupine_85> I think they're using whatever was packaged with hardy
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| 18:32 | <johnny> ahh.. that was fine
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| 18:32 | <lupine_85> everyone's terrified to upgrade it in case it breaks
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| 18:32 | <johnny> i used ltsp with gutsy and hardy
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| 18:32 | well.. if they want to have the good stuff, you gotta actually use ltsp
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| 18:32 | not a hack
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| 18:37 | <Lns> lupine_85: i'm using hardy at tons of sites and pretty much all of the stuff mentioned "just works"
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| 18:38 | well, besides local apps
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| 18:38 | <lupine_85> heh. there's something I'd quite like to get working straight away
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| 18:38 | we have a Java app that kills the LTSP server quite horribly while it's running (ILO stuff)
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| 19:29 | <i0x73> hey guys
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| 19:30 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 19:31 | <i0x73> doest ltsp have any kind of thin client
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| 19:31 | or is it just a server
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| 19:31 | <sbalneav> ltsp is the software to run a thin client
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| 19:31 | You'll need a server, and hardware to act as the client
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| 19:32 | either an old pc, or a custom built thin client
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| 19:32 | <i0x73> yes i understand that, the reason im asking this is that i need to be able to access local devices from thin client itself
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| 19:33 | as in run the thin client that connects to the server and utilizes the local audio card
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| 19:33 | something like that
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| 19:34 | any ideas ?
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| 19:35 | <sbalneav> ltsp already supports remote audio
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| 19:35 | via pulse audio
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| 19:36 | as well, we support flash sticks, local hard drives and cdroms
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| 19:36 | <i0x73> how about remote video/audio capture from tuner card
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| 19:36 | is the tuner card itself is supported by the linux distro im using
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| 19:38 | <sbalneav> No, not remotely, but you could always try running your capture software as a local app.
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| 19:39 | <i0x73> preety much i just wanna be able to use skype with a tuner card on thin client as a webcam and local mic input
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| 19:39 | so would i define the restrictions on the server itself for client to be able to access local devices
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| 19:41 | <sbalneav> Well, none of that's supported out of the box. You could try experimenting around with local apps.
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| 19:41 | <i0x73> alright thanks alot
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| 19:41 | can you recommend any specific thin clients to use ?
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| 19:42 | <sbalneav> Well, if you're wanting a tuner card, that pretty much rules out a true thin client. Most of them don't support add-in cards.
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| 19:42 | So you'd probably just want a regular desktop, sans hard drive
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| 19:43 | <i0x73> well yeah, i am planing to use an old pc
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| 19:44 | and possibly something like thinstation on it
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| 19:44 | can you recoment anything better
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> anything better than what? ltsp?
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| 19:48 | <i0x73> im really new to this, they way i see it is ltsp is just a server soft accepting connecting using RDP, and i can use any RDP client to connect to it ?
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> no, ltsp doesn't accept connections via rdp, you've got it backwards.
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| 19:48 | ltsp is the software that runs on the thin client, served out by the server.
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| 19:49 | is uses X either tunneled via ssh, or directly
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| 19:49 | although ltsp physically sits on the server, it runs on the client.
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| 19:49 | reading the docs would probably help you to understand.
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| 19:49 | !docs
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| 19:49 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 19:51 | <i0x73> oooh
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| 19:52 | thanks ill read up on iy
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> afk for a bit.
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| 19:53 | back on later
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| 19:54 | <i0x73> kool
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| 20:05 | <Ahmuck> where r bugs reported?
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| 20:06 | where r bugs reported?
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| 20:06 | i need to report several bugs. where do i report bugs?
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| 20:16 | <Ahmuck> where do i report errors for ltsp clients?
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| 20:17 | <Ryan52> the same way as you would report any bug.
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| 20:18 | <Ahmuck> k, here is my bug. after running a client for a bit, i loose sound on the client. then i get gstreamer errors
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| 20:18 | any idea what's happening on the client?
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| 20:18 | <Ryan52> I'm confused...
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| 20:18 | are you here because you need user support or want to report a bug?
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| 20:19 | 18:06 < Ahmuck> where r bugs reported?
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| 20:19 | 18:06 < Ahmuck> i need to report several bugs. where do i report bugs?
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| 20:19 | <Ahmuck> i need to report multiple bugs on ltsp
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| 20:19 | <Ryan52> ok, then report them the same way as you would report any bug.
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| 20:19 | <Ahmuck> the client locked up
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| 20:19 | ok, well i report bugs on irc normally
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| 20:19 | so i've just reported one
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| 20:19 | <Ryan52> we will not remember to fix a bug because some guy on irc told us about it.
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| 20:19 | ok...
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| 20:19 | let me phrase it this way...
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| 20:19 | <Ahmuck> so, where do i go, what inet address do i need to navigate to so i can log the bug
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> report the bug the same way as you would report any other bug in your distro.
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| 20:20 | <Ahmuck> so, ltsp.org does not have bug tracking, it's left up to the distro?
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| 20:20 | <Ryan52> yes.
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| 20:26 | Ahmuck: it's not really "left up to the distro", because the fedora maintainers, the debian maintainers, and the ubuntu maintainers are basically all of uptsream ltsp.org.
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| 20:27 | <Ahmuck> now i'm confused
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| 20:27 | <Ryan52> so yes, just file it as an ubuntu bug, and we will take care of it :)
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