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Channel log from 1 October 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:58 | <matusiak> Hi everyone. Is there a way i LTSP to create many accounts and assign them to epoptes, for users (students)? At the beginning of school I want to create account for every student in my class. So I have my first class with 5-th graders and there is 16 of them. So I run a script? Or something and I quickly create 16 accounts with epoptes assign to them. Then I tell them to login with credentials like class6-01, class6-02 … , class6-16 and I show the
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| 10:58 | m how to change password.
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| 10:58 | You know about something like this? How do you create accounts for your users or students in LTPS?
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| 10:59 | <meo> matusiak: you should be trivially able to create accounts with standard tools
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| 10:59 | adduser(1) will do 99% of what you want
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| 11:00 | of course it's done with a shell script
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| 11:01 | your script would read a list of usernames and full names, call adduser for each one, then generate a password
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| 11:02 | oh I forgot there's also newusers(1)
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| 11:02 | https://www.2daygeek.com/linux-bulk-users-creation-useradd-newusers/
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| 11:06 | <matusiak> oh! that's grate. I think that is what I was looking for. As I can see from the link above I can also specify users in text file. Thanks for the link. I will try this methods.
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| 11:06 | <meo> you are welcome
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| 11:06 | dont forget you need to regenerate the images after you create the users
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| 11:07 | <matusiak> right, thx
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| 12:34 | <John81> Hi all :)
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| 12:35 | Someone already encountered this error ?
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| 12:35 | on my client PC
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| 12:36 | "SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block xxxxxxx" ?
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| 12:36 | my LTSP server is Ubuntu 18.04
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> Hi John81
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| 12:47 | Are you using the Greek schools PPA?
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| 12:48 | It sounds like you hit the netplan issue...
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| 12:51 | <John81> alkisg no
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> John81: ok, then that's the problem, please add it to both your server and chroot, and update/rebuild image
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| 12:52 | !greek-schools-ppa
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| 12:52 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 12:52 | <John81> ok, thx I'm try this
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| 13:02 | Same error
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| 13:02 | Squashfs error: Unable to read frangment cache entry [xxxxxx]
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| 13:02 | and
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| 13:03 | Failed to start login service (new error)
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| 13:03 | Failed to start Snappy Deamon
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| 13:04 | <John44> maybe I would have to restart my server before regenerating the image?
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| 13:06 | <John44> Squashfs errors scroll slower
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> John44: are you using a chroot, or chrootless?
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| 13:11 | <John44> chrootless
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| 13:12 | (ltsp image /)
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| 13:12 | <alkisg> OK, moment let me finish something...
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| 13:12 | <John44> no problem thx
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> !netplan
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| 13:18 | <ltsp> Error: "netplan" is not a valid command.
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> John44: can you try adding this in lts.conf? INIT_COMMAND_RM_NETPLAN="rm -f /lib/systemd/system-generators/netplan"
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| 13:19 | Then reboot client
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| 13:19 | <John44> ok
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| 13:20 | lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ?
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 13:20 | <John44> ok
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| 13:23 | I need to regenerate the image or not need?
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| 13:23 | Failed to start Network Manager
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| 13:24 | Failed to start Failure handling of the snapd snap
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| 13:25 | and Squashfs error :)
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| 13:33 | <alkisg> John44: can I see?
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| 13:33 | !vnc-dide
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| 13:33 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> John44: ok, reboot client
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| 13:35 | You put it above [default] instead of under it
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| 13:36 | <John44> I saw that it was not in the right section, but I deleted the Netplan directory by hand by security before
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| 13:36 | I'm retry boot on client
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| 13:37 | Same error
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| 13:37 | Squashfs :-/
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> The netplan directory is regenerated automatically
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| 13:39 | This is a VM, isn't it?
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| 13:39 | <John44> yes
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> I can't install virtualbox and see a virtual client :/
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| 13:40 | Ouch you deleted that on the server?! :)
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| 13:40 | <John44> :-/ yes
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| 13:41 | <alkisg> Your image still has the old ltsp
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| 13:41 | You added the ppa but you didn't run ltsp-update-image
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| 13:41 | <John44> I'm not good sorry... i discover ltsp
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:45 | John44: ok try again to reboot the client
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| 13:46 | <John44> ok
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| 13:47 | it works ... Well, I'm jumping off a bridge ...
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| 13:47 | thank you very much
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> np
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| 13:52 | <John44> cya ;)
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| 14:01 | <gp> alkisg: What was hanging me up yesterday is how to configure xinit. I was able to get xterm working with simple case of startx but I cannot seem to call anything correctly with xinit. Do you happen to know the analogous command for the freerdp screen script from LTSP5 for the systemd unit? exec xinit /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc "$COMMAND" -- "$DISPLAY" "vt${TTY}" -nolisten tcp $X_ARGS >/dev/null
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> gp, no I haven't looked into it recently
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| 14:02 | <gp> alkisg: Ok. I will keep tinkering.
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> gp, are you sure it's best to use multiple vts instead of 1?
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| 14:03 | E.g. one user might be working on rdp on vt6, and another on lightdm on vt7? how does that work?
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| 14:03 | Why not use multiple session instead?
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| 14:08 | <gp> alkisg: I am not very familiar with this yet but I do not understand what you mean. I have been trying to set the SCREEN to work when a virtual console is swapped to with cntrl alt #. Here are some of the tries but you can probably tell from the paste I am still trying to figure out what I am doing
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| 14:08 | http://paste.debian.net/1103491/
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| 14:08 | the startx is the only one that has worked so far.
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> gp, I mean this: what are you currently using SCREENs for?
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| 14:09 | Normal login, xfreerdp, ssh, right?
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| 14:09 | Do different people use those at the same time? Usually nope.
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| 14:10 | So why don't you let your users login as usual, and THEN run rdp or ssh or whatever?
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| 14:10 | If a user only needs to run xfreerdp, it can be the only program that a session runs
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| 14:18 | <gp> alkisg: Yes they use them simulatenously
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| 14:18 | alkisg: oops sorry no. not different users
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> gp, how? You have 2 keyboards?
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| 14:18 | Right, so if it's only one user, where do vts benefit?
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| 14:19 | Only the old ltsp used those
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| 14:19 | Normal installations don't really use them
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| 14:19 | <gp> alkisg: because you can run the linux desktop and the freerdp terminal at the same time. I was just trying to do it the same for motor skills
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| 14:20 | alkisg: you suggest using a different session for the display manager to log in to?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> Yes, or just use 2 windows
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| 14:20 | One for rdp, and switch with the mouse like usual
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| 14:22 | <gp> alkisg: the freerdp connects as if you were physicaly plugged into the rdp computer. but that can be worked out differently. the screens approach is a better fix but if it is more complicated perhaps I can get going like you suggest until I can work out the screens
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| 14:22 | alkisg: will try to put together a wiki entry for it once i do. I thought it was a popular option because it works so well. maybe not
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> gp, I implemented a lot of this stuff, and I ended up never using them
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| 14:27 | One can set up an xfreerdp session, that automatically connects full screen after lightdm
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| 14:27 | Or they can set up multiple windows with ssh, rdp, whatever, and handle them as real windows, instead of having to switch VTs,
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| 14:27 | plus, most of this stuff won't work on wayland anyway
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| 14:28 | <gp> alkisg: My personal use of the screens was for having linux booted as a programming terminal. and being able to hit control alt f5 to open up the freerdp so I could give tech support. But both vts kept current progress so i could swap without effecting the other
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| 14:28 | I will try the lightdm session
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| 14:28 | It was my understanding before that lightdm couldn't allow two concurrent sessions
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> That's where workspaces help
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| 14:28 | You have one workspace for programming, another for remote support etc
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| 14:29 | And they're all in the same wayland/xorg session, so clipboard works too, etc etc
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| 14:29 | If multiple VTs were something people needed a lot... systemd/xorg/wayland/DMs would make it easy for them
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| 14:30 | They don't; and ltsp ended up needing a lot of hacks and introducing a lot of race conditions
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| 14:30 | For example, in some debian versions people had to switch to vt1, then vt7, for lightdm to load, because of screen race conditions
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| 14:30 | lightdm does support multiple concurrent sessions though
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| 14:30 | But only for different users
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| 14:31 | It's the "login as ..." feature in the menu
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| 14:32 | <gp> alkisg: understood. I don't think it gives the same flexibility but if it is good enough and simpler without race conditions that is a win
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| 14:32 | will give that a try first
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> gp, you can also do this:
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| 14:33 | run xinit etc from inside your session, and launch a second xorg just for xfreerdp,
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| 14:33 | without relying on ltsp or anything else to do that
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| 14:34 | I.e. just make a `run-on-another-vt <program>` script
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| 14:35 | <gp> alkisg: I think that sounds like a straightfoward approach. Thanks =)
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> np
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| 14:35 | It'll probably won't work on wayland, but for a few years it should be ok
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| 14:37 | <gp> enough time to get comfortable with something else =)
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| 14:39 | alkisg: So here is one that I am confused about with removing screens cripts. Before, I could set the client to clear all screens and only allow "kiosk" for a public email checking terminal. How would you do something like that with the new setup?
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| 14:39 | alkisg: Have to have a different image?
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> You'd autologin to a different session
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| 14:41 | E.g. /usr/share/xessions/kiosk.desktop
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| 14:41 | *xsessions
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| 14:42 | <gp> alkisg: thanks for the chat. take me a minute to change my mindset but the direction makes sense
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