IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 July 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:55 | <Vladimir> Hello, how can I mount an nfs device in ltsp-client? I tried fstab but it's overwritten by LTSP
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| 15:40 | <Kamgha_> Hey, having an issue getting a client to login. Boots up through PXELinux fine, gets to login screen and when i try to login I get into a loop of login, seems like a ldm or xserver crash, then boots me back out to login screen. syslog shows a NBD_Disconnect for received control failed
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| 16:16 | <||cw> Kamgha_: what OS and style? thin, fat, pnp...
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| 16:22 | <gehidore> FAT FTW!
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> !nfs
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| 16:40 | <ltsp> nfs: the protocol that serves the files needed by LTSP. You can find info at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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| 16:40 | <alkisg> !forget nfs
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| 16:40 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 16:41 | <MRH2> hi what is advantage of non chroot vs chroot for implementation?
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> !nfs
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| 16:41 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'nfs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nfsnotresp'
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| 16:42 | <MRH2> is it chroot is finer control? non chroot is quicker and simpler?
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> !learn nfs as `to enable NFS home directories for localapps and fat clients, install nfs-kernel-server etc on your server, and put this inlts.conf: FSTAB_1="server:/home /home nfs defaults,nolock 0 0"`
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| 16:42 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> MRH2: chroots offer flexibility and some bugs
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| 16:43 | non-chroot offers simplicity without much flexibility, and some other bugs :D
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| 16:43 | <MRH2> lol
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| 16:43 | thanks
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| 16:43 | :)
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> E.g. grub or kernel or dbus postinst may have issues in chroots
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| 16:44 | Or graphicaljava installers may not work well in chroots
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| 16:44 | <MRH2> if i want certain mountpoints on fat clients non exec do i have to use chroot?
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> No, just FSTAB_*
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| 16:45 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 16:45 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> A rough rule is, if ltsp-pnp suits your needs, use it
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| 16:46 | If not, use chroots
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| 16:48 | <MRH2> my main concern is mounting home tmp pretty much anywhere a user can write to as nonexec
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| 16:48 | (on a fat client)
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> Suppose a user creates a loopback file and mounts it with exec, how would you prevent that?
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| 16:51 | In any case, sure, that's doable with just 2 fstab lines
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| 16:51 | in lts.conf
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| 16:51 | <MRH2> well they have hardware access - jsut trying to make it less convenient
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| 16:54 | do u know of a way to limit what a user can mount?
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> No, I didn't have any users taking advantage of exec yet, so I didn't need to look into it. I imagine it's possible to disable fusermount rights.
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| 16:57 | <MRH2> ok i'll put it in the read more queue :) but i'll settle for inconvenient on writable locations for the moment
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| 16:58 | 1 more q - in a dual monitor situation does ldm still default to middle between both screens?
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> In recent versions, no
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| 16:58 | <MRH2> mirrored across both?
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| 16:59 | i am still waiting for mint 18 to install so i can try stuff out
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| 16:59 | <alkisg> no, displayed only in the primary display
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| 16:59 | <MRH2> ok
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| 16:59 | thanx
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| 16:59 | :)
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 17:02 | <MRH2> off i go to try stuff out on mint 18 cinnamon ..... :)
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> MRH2: why mint instead of e.g. ubuntu-mate?
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| 17:03 | (which is properly packaged?)
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| 17:03 | <MRH2> i like cinnamon
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> Mate also has cinnamon, doesn't it?
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| 17:03 | <||cw> so does ubuntu
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| 17:04 | <alkisg> Yup, ubuntu-mate...
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| 17:05 | <||cw> I don't even recall what ubuntu i installed, just added the cinnamon-desktop package
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| 17:05 | I might have removed the original -desktop as well
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> I think it's maintained as part of the mate flavor
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| 17:05 | <MRH2> i thought it more of becoming seperate
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| 17:05 | like xfce
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> It might be, I'm not using it
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| 17:06 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=cinnamon
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| 17:06 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/cinnamon-desktop-environment
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| 17:07 | Hmm that appears to use the gnome packages, not the mate packages, so I think I'm wrong to say it's connected to mate
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| 17:07 | <MRH2> AFAIK it uses bits of gnome
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| 17:07 | <||cw> it's very gnome-ish
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| 17:07 | <MRH2> but is trying to also redo some of it's own apps
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| 17:07 | <||cw> but not like gnome2
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> In any case, I'd use any properly packaged desktop environment from the repositories, not from the mint cd, it's quite broken
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| 17:08 | <||cw> I haven't used gnome proper in forever, so I don't know how it compares there
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| 17:08 | <MRH2> i tried gnome 3 once
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| 17:08 | hope it is better now
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| 17:08 | <alkisg> unity and gnome-3 need 3d acceleration, so we don't use them while there areclients out there that don't support 3d
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| 17:09 | <||cw> I think cinnamon does as well, no?
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> Yup, I think so
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| 17:09 | So it's not appropriate for e.g. thin clients, where there's no 3d accel over network
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| 17:10 | <MRH2> am not sure if it is essential - my thick clients support 3d anyway
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| 17:10 | at least what i hope to use
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> On a per setup basis, it's fine to select any DE that runs well, go for it
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| 17:11 | <MRH2> i'll try ubuntu as well
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| 17:11 | see if i can get cinnamon without other stuff included
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| 17:12 | but i have had positive user experience on standard desktops with mint
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| 17:12 | <alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cubuntu
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| 17:12 | ...just found that on google
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| 17:13 | <MRH2> hmmm not a big unity fan
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| 17:14 | "100% Ubuntu Ultimate Edition" inspires me :P
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> Known packaging issues isn't something that any user will complain for after a bit of mint use... but that doesn't mean that they aren't there
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| 17:19 | <MRH2> i was hoping since 18 they align themselves even closer to ubuntu for most package management
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| 17:19 | however i will try both out
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| 17:19 | better to get it right
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| 17:20 | ok off to play..... thanks :)
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| 17:20 | <alkisg> No, when they start packaging things correctly, it'll stop being a "distro" and it'll become a flavor
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| 17:20 | bb
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| 20:50 | <procesos^referen> hola tengo una consulta sobre epoptes (alguien habla español?)
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