IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 September 2014 (all times are UTC)
| 01:32 | <kb8wmc> what is the method to select and install an older image in the LTSP server...I want to install an Ubuntu image specifically 2.6.32-122-RTAI...thank you in advance
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| 01:36 | <vagrantc> that's just a kernel, not an image...
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| 01:41 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: sorry, you are absolutely correct
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| 01:42 | I want to install the appropriate image in LTSP
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| 01:54 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: I think I may have found a way to do what I want by installing from the Ubuntu CD, I found it on the Debian page, but need to read it over again...
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> if you've got a livecd that does what you want, you can configure that to boot over the network, but it's not really LTSP
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| 02:51 | <work_alkisg> kb8wmc: what's the difference between RTAI and http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux-image-lowlatency ?
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| 02:54 | <alkisg> Is the package you want there http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/lucid/base/binary-i386/ ?
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| 02:55 | E.g. http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/lucid/base/binary-i386/linux-image-2.6.32-122-rtai_2.6.32-122.35.rtai_i386.deb
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| 02:56 | gdi2k_: I think linux correctly focuses on "disable access to resources, not applications"
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| 02:57 | E.g. if you want to prohibit web browsing, and block firefox, the users can launch firefox from a usb stick or wherever
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| 02:57 | While, if you block internet access at the network level (per user), you no longer need to restrict browsers...
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| 03:19 | <kb8wmc> alkisg: thanks for your input...the link I looked at is as follows: https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto it seems as though I can install to LTSP from a CD/DVD
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> kb8wmc: I can't say I understood what you already have and what you want to do now, but if you need help, you could start by analyzing your situation...
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| 03:20 | I thought that the problem was "how to install a custom kernel to ltsp"
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| 03:20 | <kb8wmc> I have so far attempted several times all with same results using different methods and the image that does get installed is 2.6.32-65-generic...
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| 03:22 | I want the clients to have the 2.6.32-122-RTAI image so that all of the components provided work properly
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| 03:23 | <alkisg> That's what I though
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| 03:23 | t
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| 03:23 | To do that, you (1) install ltsp however you want, and (2) install the kernel
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| 03:23 | By the way, which components need that kernel?
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| 03:24 | <kb8wmc> several involving CAD and CAM applications
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> Which distribution and version are you using for your ltsp chroot?
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| 03:27 | <kb8wmc> Ubuntu 10.04 2.6.32-122-RTAI which is the default for Ubuntu with LinuxCNC
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| 03:28 | <alkisg> The LinuxCNC site has kernels for 12.04 too, don't you want to use a more recent version?
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| 03:29 | <kb8wmc> hmmmm....I did not know that and I check in there frequently....I must have missed that...tnx for that info will take a look immediately
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| 03:29 | <alkisg> E.g. http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dists/precise/base/binary-i386/linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae_3.4.55-3linuxcnc_i386.deb
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| 03:32 | http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.6 ==> Fresh install on Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise)
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| 03:32 | <kb8wmc> alkisg: thanks so much, I completely missed that as I generally go directly to the forums and not the main page...but I must admit to missing any recent announcements related to it....thanks so much for your input
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| 03:32 | I will be doing the upgrade from 10.04 then
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| 03:33 | only excuse I have is old age and dry rot
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| 08:05 | <SYS64738> hi
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> !nbd-clients
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| 08:28 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'nbd-clients', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nbd-client'
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 08:28 | <ltsp`> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 08:29 | <alkisg> !client-list
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| 08:29 | <ltsp`> client-list: to get a list of all nbd-clients (which sometimes is the same as ltsp clients), run: netstat -tn | sed -n 's/.*:10809 *\([0-9.]*\):.*/\1/p' | sort -Vu
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Εκείνα όταν τα ξεκινάς, βλέπεις αρχική οθόνη με τον grub;
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| 08:30 | sorry
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| 09:07 | <joamuran> Hello!
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| 09:08 | A question... is there any manner to specify via tftpboot where is lts.conf file?
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| 09:13 | Basing in patch suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1339671, we are working on file 05-getltsconffile to merge two lts.conf config files. One in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (the original), and other in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/image_name/lts.conf
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> ltspd will deprecate lts.conf, so don't spend too much time on it...
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| 09:15 | <joamuran> note that we have specific name folders for images and chroots (/opt/ltsp/image1 /opt/ltsp/image2 and their images in /opt/ltsp/images/image1.img and /opt/ltsp/images/image2.img)
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| 09:15 | really??
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| 09:15 | and wich config file will it use??
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| 09:15 | <alkisg> Files in /etc/ltsp/config.d
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| 09:16 | <joamuran> interesting... but is it in use yet?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg> no
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| 09:17 | <joamuran> and i suppose that's not documented yet...
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| 09:17 | <alkisg> http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:Ltspd
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| 09:18 | <joamuran> Thanks! We'll be pay attention on this... by now we'll try to workaround our config problem with lts.conf
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| 09:19 | <alkisg> lts.conf place is derived from the boot file name
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| 09:19 | So it should be able to access /ltsp/i386/lts.conf or /ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 09:20 | ...if you pass /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 etc respectively
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| 09:22 | <joamuran> and if image has been created with option --chroot "name", which file does it take?
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| 09:22 | <alkisg> Whatever you put in dhcpd.conf
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| 09:22 | The image name doesn't matter at all
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| 09:22 | <joamuran> we use dnsmasq
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> in proxydhcp mode?
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| 09:23 | Or in normal dhcp mode?
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| 09:23 | <joamuran> and we don't specify nothing fot pxelinux.0
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 09:23 | dhcp-boot=net:etherboot,/ltsp/i386/nbi.img
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| 09:23 | dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:23 | Those are the lines that you should have in dnsmasq.conf
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| 09:23 | <joamuran> sorry... we have this...
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| 09:23 | <alkisg> You can generate an appropriate dnsmasq.conf with `sudo ltsp-config dnsmasq`
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> So, by sending different dhcp-boot options per client, you can specify the lts.conf location
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| 09:24 | <joamuran> dhcp-boot=tag:!ENH, /ltsp/undionly.kpxe # if request comes from ipxe, direct boot dhcp-boot=tag:ENH, /ltsp/boot/bootstrap.ipxe
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| 09:24 | <alkisg> And bootstrap downloads the kernel directly? Or pxelinux.0?
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| 09:25 | <joamuran> we use ipxe, and a menu geneted dynamicly with php
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| 09:25 | <alkisg> Anyways it doesn't matter
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| 09:25 | What's the output of this, on the client?
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| 09:25 | cat /proc/cmdline
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| 09:26 | If it doesn't contain "IP=xxx" there, which is the normal thing, then lts.conf is specified via dhcp
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| 09:26 | The client does a dhcp request at the initramfs, after it gets the kernel etc
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| 09:27 | At that point, it's using "Linux ipconfig" or "udhcp" as the client identifier
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| 09:27 | So that's what you're supposed to match in dnsmasq.conf
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| 09:27 | dhcp-vendorclass=etherboot,Etherboot
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| 09:27 | dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
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| 09:27 | dhcp-vendorclass=ltsp,"Linux ipconfig"
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| 09:28 | <joamuran> IP is specified in cmdline
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> Then you're using IPAPPEND=3, bypassing the initramfs dhcp request
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| 09:28 | Or some custom ipxe script
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| 09:28 | <joamuran> yes, we use ipappend 3
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| 09:28 | <alkisg> That's why lts.conf location doesn't work for you
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| 09:29 | <joamuran> In syslog we can see:
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| 09:29 | Sep 10 11:28:04 server dnsmasq-tftp[3146]: sent /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf to 10.2.1.211
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| 09:29 | Sep 10 11:28:04 server dnsmasq-tftp[3146]: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lite/lts.conf not found
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| 09:30 | in 05-getltsconffile we get the two files
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| 09:32 | <joamuran> we have tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file, and a symbolic link in tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf to this
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| 09:33 | * alkisg isn't sure what the question is at this point... | |
| 09:34 | <joamuran> I'll review dnsmasq config and I'll tell you anythin... thanks!
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| 12:02 | <joamuran> Thanks alkisg! finally we are modifying our implementation of 05-getltsconffile to get directly the lts.conf file, because it seems that could not build pathonly correctly. We'll keep in mind the change to new config files in LTSP 6 (when is it planned to be out? We'll have to re-adjust some things to be prepared! :-P)
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| 17:36 | <greavette> Hello. Could someone point me to where I can setup applications to run in autostart by user? I can see in lts.conf where I can autostart applications for all users. But for individual users who login to my LTSP server how do I specify which applications to autostart for each user? Thank you.
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| 17:37 | To clarify, can someone point me to documentation that helps me with setting up autostart for applications by user. Thank you.
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> it's dependent on the desktop
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| 17:38 | but you might look at /etc/xdg/autostart/
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| 17:38 | <greavette> I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 desktop with my ltsp server.
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| 17:38 | <vagrantc> several desktop environments use /etc/xdg/autostart/
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| 17:38 | there's nothing LTSP-specific about it, though
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| 17:38 | <greavette> I see...wouldn't /etc/xdg/autostart be for every user that logins though?
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> per-user settings would probably go in each user's homedir then...
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| 17:40 | you could also set up autostart files that do nothing depending on the user...
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| 17:41 | i don't know where exactly it goes in the homedir, it tends to change faster than the way the wind blows
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| 17:43 | <greavette> :) thanks for the replies. I know I could create my own autostart file in .config in each users home directory if this wasn't ltsp...but if I chroot in and look at home I see no users? How would I be able to see each users folder to add in the autostart file and see if this works?
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> the user management is done on the server, not in the client chroot
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| 17:57 | <greavette> If I wanted to have one client unique in that their desktop looks different (differnt shortcuts maybe). How is this done? Or can it be done?
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| 18:00 | I've been digging through the options in lts.conf as well. I can see where there is a setting that allows a user to auto login based on an IP address: [192.168.1.101] LDM_USERNAME = user1 LDM_PASSWORD = password1. Under the IP Address am I allowed to use screen to execute a script?
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> greavette: you can use any variable you could set in lts.conf
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| 18:40 | !lts.conf
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| 18:40 | <ltsp`> lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
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| 18:52 | <greavette> Thanks vagrantc...yes I'm reviewing the options available. What I'm wondering though is can I set for example screen scripts by IP address?
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> SCREEN_01, SCREEN_02, etc.
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| 18:58 | greavette: see the manpage entry titled: "LTS.CONF OPTIONS - SCREEN SCRIPTS"
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| 19:08 | <greavette> Hmmm, so it appears I can. Nice. This will help a bit. Can bash scripts be used in Screen scripts? Is that what 'xterml' means?
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> the "xterm" screen script merely starts an xterm, but you can write whatever screen scripts you want that call whatever you want.
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| 19:13 | greavette: maybe i misunderstand your original question, though ...
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| 19:14 | greavette: if you were referring to the program called "screen", that is someting else entirely.
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| 19:15 | LTSP SCREEN SCRIPTS are scripts that run on the tty console (i.e. SCREEN_02 runs on tty2), and are only actually tarted when the tty becomes active.
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| 19:23 | <greavette> Sorry, perhaps I'm not explaining myself correctly. I'm looking to start applications by user. One way to do this would be to use a bash script So in lts.conf by IP Address it would appear I can use Screen Scripts (ie: screen_01) to do things for me. I'm wondering if I can use these screen scripts to execute my bash script to start applications by IP Address?
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> no, LTSP screen scripts don't sound like what you want.
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| 19:24 | greavette: it's used to start up the login manager, or a debugging shell.
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| 19:24 | greavette: they aren't particularly useful to start applications on a per-user basis.
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| 19:25 | <greavette> Ok. Do you know of a way to execute bash scripts by user (or IP Address) in LTSP?
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> greavette: you basically want /etc/xdg/autostart/, but defined per-user or per thin client, from lts.conf?
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| 19:27 | greavette: why not just write .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart/ that execute scripts that determine what to tart based on username?
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| 19:45 | <greavette> vagrantc - Thank you for the suggestion. It would appear this would work for me. I do appreciate you taking the time to respond to my questions. Much appreciated.
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| 19:52 | <vagrantc> another way would be to write an ldm/rc.d hook that uses the ssh tunnel to start applications, but then they wouldn't be started with the full session
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| 19:53 | so they might be mising some environment variables like dbus and whatnot
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| 19:57 | <alfubuntu> have a good afternoon with ltsp client windows xfrerdp share the problem is that / var / run / drives and if I see a AFolder with ters my usb memory but does not have open files is empty
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| 19:59 | any suggestions and look on google and nothing much as I do that the files in the usb connected to thinclient look
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