IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 January 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Hyperbyt1: oh noes! What's wrong with your "e" today?!
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| 08:45 | <Hyperbyt1> I'm ghosting I think
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| 08:46 | Or my IRC client is connected twice
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| 08:47 | <Hyperbyte> Better?
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| 08:48 | <alkisg> :)
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| 11:59 | <Guest89884> hallo! Is this chat supposed to post a question for ltsp or should I better user a forum?
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| 12:03 | <kione> You are in good hands, here
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| 12:08 | <Guest89884> Thanks! Unfortunately right now, I am the only one to administer our ltsp-server, and didn't set it up so I just have an idea of how it works and some basic knowledge.
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| 12:09 | All I want for now, is to install an application for every user. It's an java app, so all I have to do is to put the folder to a place where everybody can start the script-file. Afterwards I would like to put a .desktop entry and add it to the auto start programs. Everything I tried didn't work, because the files disappeard afterwards.
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| 12:09 | Where should I put ot or, how can I found out where to put it? In the ltsp-server or the chroot image? There is a "rofs"-folder, could this be the place?
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| 12:10 | I know that some folders are handed through from ltsp to chroot
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| 12:11 | we are running ubuntu 12.04 with cinnamon desktop
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| 12:12 | I am grateful for any hint
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| 12:15 | I put it to /usr/local/bin/ in the ltsp-server, and can reach it from client, but it won't start
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| 12:22 | and any tips about the .desktop files and autostart thing? I read through a lot of documentation, but our implementation seems to be different
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| 12:43 | <kione> ltsp-pnp? according to the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto you should re-create the squashfs-image after adding software to the server
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| 14:18 | <Guest89884> thanks for the help!
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> Guest89884: if you have an /opt/ltsp/i386 folder, then you're using a chroot. Are you using a chroot?
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| 16:51 | Also, if you have the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/xsessions folder, it means you're using fat clients.
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| 16:51 | So in order for us to tell you where to put the .desktop file etc, we need to know if you're using a chroot (or ltsp-pnp), and thin (or fat) clients
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| 17:06 | <Guest89884> ok, than it's fat-clients with chroot
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| 17:07 | great, in my further research I just thought about to ask how to find this out ^^
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| 17:10 | well I knew about fat-clients, but not about the implementation
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| 17:20 | <Guest89884> second question after where to put .desktop-file is, do I have to rebuild the chroot after doing so?
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> Guest89884: so, you have to put the .desktop file to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xdg/autostart if you want it automatically started on login
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| 17:30 | Also, when joining IRC, it's best to come up with a nickname, so that we recognize you in the future and continue from the last chat
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| 17:30 | So, type /nick your-nick-name
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| 17:31 | Select something rare that isn't registered by others
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| 17:37 | <Guest89884> ok, thank you so much!
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| 17:37 | do I have to rebuild than?
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> ltsp-update-image
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| 17:38 | I.e. you need to recompress the chroot with ltsp-update-image, not rebuild it with ltsp-build-client
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| 17:39 | <jeremaier> but could I use rebuild, too?
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| 17:39 | my friend make a script which I usually use
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> If you rebuild, then /opt/ltsp/i386 is regenerated, so your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xdg/autostart changes are lost
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| 17:40 | It doesn't make sense to rebuild
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| 17:41 | If you want to make things easier for you, and depending on your use case, you might want to take at look at ltsp-pnp:
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| 17:41 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 17:41 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Then you don't have to get used to ltsp chroots as you won't be using one
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| 17:42 | <jeremaier> ok thanks for the hint
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| 17:42 | I tink for now I have to rebuild, now I understand why my changes always disappear
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| 17:43 | and where to put when I want to rebuild?
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> I didn't understand what you're asking, could you rephrase it or explain it more?
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| 17:45 | <jeremaier> uhm I never used the ltsp-commands by myself. but the way my friend installed it, there is a script that always rebuilds the image (and makes a backup copy and a developing surrounding)
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| 17:46 | so that's why my .desktop-files got lost all the time, as I understand now
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| 17:46 | and where can I put them, so that the rebuild process includes them?
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> How can we know what the script does and where to put them?
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| 17:47 | It's a custom script, we can't guess what your friend did there
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| 17:47 | Normally, ltsp-build-client regenerates everything, so you can't add things automatically after that
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| 17:48 | <jeremaier> and regenerates out of what? I thought that I have to put my files there. do I make sense?
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| 17:48 | <alkisg> From the internet
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| 17:49 | ltsp-build-client gets the configuration from a small file at /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf, and the packages from the internet
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| 17:49 | It doesn't get any other local files that you may have somewhere in your disk.
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| 17:49 | If it does, it's a local script that only you and your friend know about, no other ltsp users do that
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| 17:50 | <jeremaier> ok, thank you, you are really helping me in understanding. I'll have a look at the script once again
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| 17:50 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client should only be run once, to build the image
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| 17:50 | ltsp-update-image is run after you've made changes to the image
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> jeremaier: it's possible that your friend didn't understand ltsp well, so you'll be learning the *wrong* way to do things
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| 17:51 | So it might be better to start from scratch, then follow his instructions
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| 17:51 | If you describe your use case, we might be able to help there
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| 17:51 | *than, not then
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| 17:54 | <jeremaier> you're probably right - well I think his mistake was first of all to say 'rebuild' but meaning 'recompress' because in the script he uses 'ltsp-update-image'
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| 17:55 | you helped me a lot, I will try this again
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> you could also paste the script somewhere ...
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> !pastebin
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| 17:56 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 17:59 | <jeremaier> oh that's so kind! I think I should try what you told me, first, before wasting your time
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| 18:04 | But one last question before my next attempt: the application is a java app started through a script ( no need to install). where would you place the app folder, also in /opt/ltsp/i386/ - and then which subfolder? Every user should autostart it.
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> Are the files there read-only, or the users also need write access there?
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| 18:07 | <jeremaier> have to admit that I am not sure about that
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| 18:08 | <alkisg> Try it without ltsp, put it somewhere where you don't have write access and run it
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| 18:08 | Or check the file dates there to see if they were recently written to
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| 18:09 | <jeremaier> ah ok, will do that. I guess read-only, as I know it stores user-settings into homes
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| 18:10 | no I checked date, probably no changes made by my usage
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| 18:11 | so it's read-only!
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> You could put it anywhere you want then, e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/<program>, or /opt/ltsp/i386/opt/<program>... it's not related to ltsp, you can read the file system hierarchy standard for more details
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| 18:13 | <jeremaier> I will try that now
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| 18:13 | ok alkisg, thank you very, very much! I really lost at least 1,5 days by trying on my own until now... really frustrating when you know it's just a small that thing that you don't know.
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| 18:13 | I owe you a beer or any beverage you like, I would say!
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> :)
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> if alkisg cashed in on all the promised beers in a short time, i don't know if alkisg would survive
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> Hahaha..! hic!
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| 18:19 | <jeremaier> hehehe ;)
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| 18:23 | <highvoltage> alkisg would have a nice swimming pool
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| 19:00 | <jeremaier> well I'll put some of every kind, seems to be the best solution
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| 19:28 | <Jeremaier> Hey, I got it!! Thanks a lot once again! really, for this small thing now it was two days all together
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| 19:28 | I will sponsor a beer buffet
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