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Channel log from 8 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:52 | <m4xx__> once i've made my fati386 env, i know i can chroot to it and install stuff using apt. is it possible to actually load up the desktop to install stuff graphically?
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| 02:56 | if i startx it doesn't capture my keyboard or mouse
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| 03:17 | <m4xx__> anyone? =[
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| 07:35 | <Hyperbyte> m4xx__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GuiInstallLocalApp
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> The best way would be to export it read/write and boot it via NFS, otherwise some applications / installers that need the system dbus etc running will have problems
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| 07:38 | I'm not sure how will the ltsp initscripts interfere with the writable nfs booting, though
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| 07:40 | <Hyperbyte> Writable NFS booting worked fine for me with Fedora.
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> E.g. NFS uses some bind-mounts over a tmpfs to make some files like /etc/hostname writeable
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| 07:40 | If your write over those, any changes will be lost
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| 07:41 | * alkisg would like to work on making NFS rw booting work properly, though | |
| 07:42 | <Hyperbyte> As alternative to NBD?
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> No, for easily customizing fat chroots
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| 07:42 | Just for one client, not for many
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| 07:43 | Either some VM running on the server, or any client in the local network => that will also help when someone uses a different arch like ARM
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| 07:45 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting. :)
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> I'll poke the others about it at BTS ;)
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| 08:44 | <Hyperbyte> Hey Gary!
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| 08:45 | <garymc> yo Hyperbyte
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| 08:45 | good morning
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| 08:45 | girls still reporting that their terminals are slow as shit
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| 08:45 | and this is the new 64bit system :S
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| 08:48 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, this is why you should debug problems to find causes, rather than just replace/reinstall systems and hope it is fixed. ;-)
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| 08:48 | But we've had that discussion before.
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| 08:49 | You have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf I assume?
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| 08:54 | <garymc> ILL CHECK THAT NOW
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| 08:54 | whoops, just on the phone
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| 08:54 | <Hyperbyte> OKAY
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| 08:55 | <garymc> haha
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| 08:55 | where is lts.conf ? :S
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| 08:56 | <Hyperbyte> !lts.conf
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| 08:56 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 08:56 | <Hyperbyte> Haha, it doesn't say the location on there. =)
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| 08:56 | Should be /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 08:57 | If you're looking for a certain file you can use the locate command, if you have it on your system... i.e, "locate lts.conf"
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| 08:57 | You can also do find / -name "lts.conf"
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| 08:58 | 'locate' searches a bit quicker, as it checks a database cache of the filesystem. 'find' actually searches the harddisk realtime.
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| 09:01 | <garymc> jeez just looked back here now :)
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| 09:03 | I have nothing there
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| 09:03 | also my clients are 64bit not i386
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| 09:04 | i have this folder /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64
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| 09:04 | but no lts.conf in there :S
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| 09:06 | i done a search and it shows its here: /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:07 | but nothing set in it.
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| 09:07 | <Hyperbyte> There is nothing in that file?
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| 09:08 | There should be some text in there.
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| 09:08 | Have you read it?
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| 09:08 | <garymc> im gonna pastebin now
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| 09:08 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 09:08 | <garymc> yes
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| 09:08 | <Hyperbyte> What does it say about the file? ;-)
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| 09:09 | <garymc> http://pastebin.com/9zx3eCpe
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| 09:09 | it says make it elsewhere if you want it, then run a update image command
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| 09:09 | could my image files be too big?
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| 09:09 | so the clients run slower?
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| 09:10 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 09:10 | Read again, please.
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| 09:10 | It says you need /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:10 | And as you pointed out, that since you run an amd64 chroot, i368 doesn't apply
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| 09:10 | It should be/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 09:11 | <garymc> so i can keep it there or go to other location
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| 09:11 | if i keep it there I have to run update-image command
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| 09:12 | sop what does LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf do?
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| 09:12 | <Hyperbyte> !lts.conf
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| 09:12 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 09:24 | <garymc> ok so I can just put that comment in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf then rebuild image and that should speed stuff up?
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| 09:34 | <Hyperbyte> Under [Default] header, yeah.
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| 09:35 | Do that, reboot client, then verify the client has read an accepted the config by running 'getltscfg -a' in a local xterm
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| 09:35 | !localxterm
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| 09:35 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 09:37 | <garymc> do I add the default header?
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| 09:37 | cos there is only example
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| 09:37 | i think i missed some text in the pastebin
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| 09:37 | http://pastebin.com/1WJd8X0R
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| 09:37 | <Hyperbyte> Have you been reading what I've told you?!
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| 09:38 | 11:10 <Hyperbyte> It says you need /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 09:38 | 11:10 <Hyperbyte> And as you pointed out, that since you run an amd64 chroot, i368 doesn't apply
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| 09:38 | 11:10 <Hyperbyte> It should be/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 09:38 | <garymc> the line that concerns me is : # **** THIS FILE SHOULD NO LONGER BE USED FROM HERE !!! ****
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| 09:38 | ok
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| 09:38 | so I have to create that file?
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| 09:39 | <Hyperbyte> If you want to put configuration in it, yes, you'll have to create it.
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| 09:39 | It's a bit weird that it didn't do that by itself, but maybe it works different with an amd64 chroot.
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| 09:40 | <garymc> thing is, how do you creat a file in terminal
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| 09:41 | think i sussed it
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| 09:42 | <Hyperbyte> You really need to work a bit more on your general Linux knowledge. ;-)
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| 09:42 | <garymc> ok file created
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| 09:43 | 1st line : [Default]
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| 09:43 | 2nd line: LDM_DIRECTX=True
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| 09:43 | so now reboot thin client
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| 09:44 | and run that command in thin client terminal window. yes?
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| 09:44 | <Hyperbyte> 11:34 <Hyperbyte> Under [Default] header, yeah.
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| 09:44 | 11:35 <Hyperbyte> Do that, reboot client, then verify the client has read an accepted the config by running 'getltscfg -a' in a local xterm
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| 09:45 | <garymc> ;P
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| 09:47 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : getltscfg currently not installed :S
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| 09:49 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, you are not following my instructions.
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| 09:50 | Read again, understand difference between xterm and local xterm.
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| 09:50 | <garymc> i could have sworn i did
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| 09:50 | i dont know xterm
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| 09:50 | <Hyperbyte> man xterm
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| 09:50 | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xterm
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| 09:50 | <garymc> i thought local xterm would be log in as a normal user goto terminal and run that command
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| 09:50 | <Hyperbyte> Seriously Gary, and this is the best advice I can give you - learn more about the tools you're working with.
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| 09:51 | You're gonna run into problems again later, and it's very helpful if you know how to fix it yourself.
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| 09:51 | Read again everything said at 11:35, okay?
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| 09:51 | And read the xterm manpage introduction, so you know what xterm is.
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| 09:52 | (11:35 is my time, by the way... the 35th minute of this hour)
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| 09:53 | <garymc> ok
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| 09:54 | thanks
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| 10:12 | ok done that, newly booted client says:
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| 10:13 | LDM_DIRECTX="True"
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| 10:13 | export LDM_DIRECTX
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| 10:13 | hyperbyte is this right?
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| 10:19 | <Hyperbyte> This is good!
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| 10:20 | Reboot slow clients, this will probably help.
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| 10:24 | <garymc> Cool, only one thing to fix and that dhcp3-server starting after reboot :S
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> So the clients are faster now?
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| 10:27 | Can you experiment with rebooting the server now, or is that difficult?
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| 10:30 | <garymc> no can do with rebooting
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| 10:30 | :(
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| 10:31 | not sure if clients are faster. Just some webpages on our admin section load incorrectly at times
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| 10:31 | like they stretch out
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| 10:31 | or they process slowly
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| 10:31 | <Hyperbyte> Remove the line we added to /etc/rc.local
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| 10:31 | And use this trick:
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| 10:31 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=565921#c8
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| 10:32 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:32 | <Hyperbyte> Put that script Andrew Davis gives there in the directory he says, (just like you created the lts.conf file)
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| 10:32 | And then run chmod +x <file> on the file
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| 10:33 | You can call the script 02dhcpfix
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| 10:47 | <garymc> cheers ill give it a go when i get back , gotta nip out. cheers
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| 12:27 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 12:30 | <nosedrum> hi all !
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| 12:30 | little issue
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| 12:31 | after a fresh built-client , a openssh-server install under chroot and a ltsp-update-image
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| 12:31 | i can connect ssh on ltsp clients but not login
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| 12:31 | seems like users passwd reseted ........
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| 12:37 | <alkisg> nosedrum: there are no users defined in ltsp clients
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| 12:37 | To use ssh, you'd need to create a user in the chroot
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| 12:37 | Or unlock the root password, and allow root ssh
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| 12:37 | <nosedrum> the built-client erase the user in passwd
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| 12:38 | ok
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> ssh in the chroot also has some security implications
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| 12:38 | <nosedrum> ok so i have to useradd somes user in chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> Or unlock the root password, yes
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| 12:39 | <nosedrum> or to modify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/sshd.conf foir root login
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 12:40 | <nosedrum> ok thx again alkisg !
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> PermitRootLogin yes
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| 12:40 | So no sshd_config change needed, just to unlock the root account
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| 12:47 | * Hyperbyte is fighting with Thunderbird | |
| 12:48 | <alkisg> Are you winning or losing?
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| 12:48 | <Hyperbyte> My IMAP cache has become 8.9 GB big... I assume that's the real spcae of e-mail that's taken up... especially my 'Archive 2009' was quite big
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| 12:48 | So I started deleting e-mail.... deleted about 15000 garbage messages
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| 12:49 | Started Thunderbird... it said "Downloading messages from Archive 2009"
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| 12:49 | Checked profile folder
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| 12:49 | 9.2 GB ....
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> It might have an option to compact its mail database
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| 12:49 | Is that with gmail?
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| 12:49 | <Hyperbyte> Google a bit... turns out, it's because Mozilla doesn't compact folders by default. You have to enable it in settings and/or do it manually.
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| 12:49 | So I enable it in settings, then run manual compact...
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| 12:50 | The folder is now 9.5 GB
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> Haha
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| 12:50 | <Hyperbyte> So basically... I deleted a few gigabyte of e-mail, compact my mail folders, and my Thunderbird ImapMail cache has grown about 600 MB in size.
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| 12:51 | * Hyperbyte sighs. | |
| 12:51 | <Hyperbyte> I wonder if the developers of Thunderbird are secretly storing their porn collections in my ImapMail folders or something... this is ridiculous.
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| 12:52 | I just checked - my raw mailbox data on the mailserver is around 2 GB.
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| 12:52 | So what the hell is Thunderbird storing in that 9.5 GB Imap cache?
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> I'm thinking of switching from gmail/evolution/pop3 to gmail/thunderbird/imap
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> Oh! 9.6 GB!
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> Would you advice against that/
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| 12:53 | Haha
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> It's growing right under my eyes!
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> Still growing?
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| 12:53 | <Hyperbyte> Oh, it's still downloading archive 2009 messages.
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| 12:53 | Maybe it hasn't started actually compacting yet....
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> I think I read about a problem where imap resulted in duplicate folders
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| 12:54 | <Hyperbyte> Seems strange though, to have an entire mailbox cached, then re-download it entirely, and delete the cache, in order to update it.
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| 12:54 | I can recommend Thunderbird above Evolution... definitely, I prefer it. But not sure if it's needed for simple things though, like having one Gmail account.
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| 12:55 | 9.7 GB
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> "if it's needed" => so what would you use instead?
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| 12:55 | <Hyperbyte> ...
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> You mean plain webmail?
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| 12:55 | <Hyperbyte> Sure.
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> ehm... 9.8 GB
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| 12:57 | This isn't funny anymore.
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| 12:57 | <muppis> No, it just started to being fun. :)
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| 12:57 | <Hyperbyte> It's now decided it needs to re-download archive 2004-2008
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| 12:58 | muppis, hah...
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| 12:59 | ehm... now it's downloading my Sent mail folder... why oh why has it decided to re-download all my e-mail?
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> Evolution/pop3 never did that to me, though :P :D
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| 13:01 | <Hyperbyte> Well, Thunderbird better not ever do this to me again!
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| 13:01 | <muppis> pop3 is for there, here or both. imap is for both.
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> Last time I tried imap was 6-7 years ago. It was so problematic that I quickly abandoned it
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| 13:02 | <Hyperbyte> muppis, so? That doesn't explain how 2 GB of messages in my mailbox turn into a.. oh, at this point whopping 10.1 GB profile folder...
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| 13:03 | <muppis> Hyperbyte, have you checked where your 2 G is used in server. I mean, do you have inbox and other folders in same place?
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> Yep.
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> Well, no, but the 2GB is both combined.
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| 13:04 | <muppis> Then TB is doing something funny.
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| 13:04 | <nosedrum> i'm back
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| 13:04 | <Hyperbyte> It's just Thunderbird being crazy.
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| 13:05 | <nosedrum> FOR Information: i'm migrating 83 ltsp server from 9.04 to 10.4.3 LTS
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| 13:05 | <Hyperbyte> Currently it's downloading even more archived messages...
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| 13:05 | 10.2 GB and probably still counting...
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| 13:05 | I wonder if it's ever gonna stop downloading and actually compact.
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> 83 ltsp servers? Or one ltsp server with 32 clients?
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| 13:06 | <Hyperbyte> Or LTSP server #83. =D
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| 13:06 | Oh, great.
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| 13:07 | <nosedrum> we have little no 83 ltsp server
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| 13:07 | really 83
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| 13:07 | <Hyperbyte> You have 83 LTSP servers?
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| 13:07 | <nosedrum> the migration procedure is ok, it's working
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| 13:07 | <dead_inside> wow
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| 13:08 | <nosedrum> but we have some bad effect on some clients
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| 13:08 | <Hyperbyte> WTF
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| 13:08 | I'm at 11 GB now.
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| 13:08 | <nosedrum> like blanck screen a reboot on 10.0.4.3 image
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| 13:08 | <nosedrum> i'm in ssh on client
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| 13:08 | i don't see anything in messages
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| 13:09 | <nosedrum> in 9.04 image the lts.conf contains :
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| 13:09 | <nosedrum> CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 13:09 | X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 13:09 | and X_MODE_0=1024x768 on client section
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| 13:10 | <Hyperbyte> nosedrum, you've upgraded the server, right? Have you also rebuilt the chroot?
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| 13:10 | Because else you're running a 10.4 server with a 9.4 chroot
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| 13:11 | <ogra_> and you cant upgrade from 9.04 to 10.04 directly ... that will get you a lot of broken stuff
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| 13:11 | <nosedrum> no
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| 13:11 | chroot = 10.4.3
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| 13:12 | and ltsp 10.4.3
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> and you upgraded through 9.10 to 10.04 ?
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| 13:12 | <nosedrum> 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.0.4.3 LTS
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| 13:12 | <Hyperbyte> Thunderbird is awesome. It uses 8.9 GB disk space, says "you can compact it so it's less"... I say "okay, compact it"... it spends a god aweful long time downloading (?) messages, increases the profile folder to 11 GB. Then finally it says "now I can compact" and it compacts it to 10.9 GB
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> great
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| 13:13 | <Hyperbyte> This is quite hilarious..........
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> A-ha!
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| 13:17 | Apparently Thunderbird has decided to make 10 seperate caches for the same mailbox.
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| 13:17 | <Hyperbyte> Now that we've figured out how... I'd like to know... why, oh for the love of this green earth, WHY!
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> nosedrum: no CONFIGURE_X needed in 10.04
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| 13:18 | Try with just:
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| 13:18 | [Default]
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| 13:18 | XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768
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| 13:18 | Nothing else
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| 13:20 | <nosedrum> il'l try
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| 13:20 | but i put XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 in client section didn't work
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> What was the problem? Blank screen? What was the last output message?
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| 13:21 | <nosedrum> blanck screen after ubuntu loading
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> If you put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, do you get a shell?
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| 13:23 | <nosedrum> i'll test
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| 13:24 | <nosedrum> (it's a distant site )
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| 13:26 | still a blanck screen ....
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> If you got a blank screen with SCREEN_02=shell, then either your client doesn't read lts.conf, or it's not an X problem but something more serious
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| 13:27 | Do this:
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| 13:28 | edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 13:28 | Replace "quiet splash" with "break=bottom"
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| 13:28 | Reboot the client. You'll get a busybox shell.
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| 13:28 | There, type: cat /tmp/lts.conf
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| 13:28 | And see if you got lts.conf from the server
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> Sorry, not `cat /tmp/lts.conf`. Run this instead: cat /root/etc/lts.conf
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| 13:32 | <nosedrum> i'm connected ssh on clients
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> ssh works with blank screen?
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| 13:32 | OK, ignore what I said above then. Run this from ssh: getltscfg -a
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| 13:33 | And put the result to pastebin
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| 13:34 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/T6pTwW33
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> You have too many options
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| 13:34 | Use only the XRANDR_MODE_0=1024X768. Or even not that.
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| 13:35 | Remove RCFILE_01, XRANDR_OUTPUT_0, X_MODE_0 etc etc
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| 13:35 | Or completely remove your lts.conf temporarily.
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| 13:38 | <nosedrum> see my lts.conf
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| 13:38 | http://pastebin.com/FRdwBEFL
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> nosedrum: temporarily completely remove your lts.conf
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| 13:39 | Until we troubleshoot your graphics problem
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| 13:39 | <nosedrum> i have mv lts.conf lts.conf.save
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| 13:39 | and reboot client
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| 13:39 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 13:39 | <nosedrum> still rebooting
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| 13:40 | <alkisg> Then, run getltscfg -a again, to verify that it doesn't have any lts.conf settings at all.
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| 13:41 | <nosedrum> still blanck ....
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| 13:41 | getltscfg -a
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| 13:41 | return nothing....
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Nice. Let's move on:
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| 13:42 | !xauthority
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| 13:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: xauthority: To access the thin client X display from ssh or from a local console, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=')
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| 13:42 | <alkisg> Run this on your ssh session
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| 13:42 | Then, run: xrandr
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| 13:42 | And put the output to pastebin
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| 13:45 | <nosedrum> first: http://pastebin.com/aNL4UzyF
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| 13:45 | second: root@p3_a01:~# xrandr
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| 13:45 | Can't open display
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| 13:46 | <Hyperbyte> ldm isn't running
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| 13:47 | How are you starting sshd on the thin client?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> nosedrum: so neither LDM nor X is running? `pgrep X LDM` returns nothing?
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| 13:48 | <nosedrum> apt-get install openssh-server chrooted in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> pgrep X ldm
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| 13:49 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X ldm
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| 13:49 | Usage: pgrep [-cflvx] [-d DELIM] [-n|-o] [-P PPIDLIST] [-g PGRPLIST] [-s SIDLIST]
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| 13:49 | [-u EUIDLIST] [-U UIDLIST] [-G GIDLIST] [-t TERMLIST] [PATTERN]
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| 13:49 | xD
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Eh, sorry, one by one
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| 13:49 | pgrep X
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| 13:49 | pgrep ldm
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| 13:49 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X
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| 13:49 | 3922
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| 13:49 | root@p3_a01:~# pgrep LDM
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| 13:49 | root@p3_a01:~#
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> lowercase
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| 13:49 | pgrep ldm
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| 13:49 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# pgrep ldm
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| 13:49 | 3987
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| 13:49 | better
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| 13:50 | <Hyperbyte> Interesting that pidof doesn't return it?
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/3987/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
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| 13:50 | What's the output of that?
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| 13:51 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/3987/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY='
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| 13:51 | -bash: /proc/3987/environ: No such file or directory
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> And now pgrep X shows a different number?
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| 13:51 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# pgrep X
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| 13:51 | 4377
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| 13:51 | yes
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> OK so X is crashing + restarting all the time
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| 13:51 | Which card is that? lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 13:52 | <nosedrum> ok
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| 13:52 | radeon
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| 13:52 | <alkisg> Please run the exact command above
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| 13:52 | <nosedrum> root@p3_a01:~# lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 13:52 | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791f]
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| 13:52 | Kernel driver in use: radeon
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| 13:52 | Kernel modules: radeon
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Never tried this, but what happens if you run this from ssh? xinit -- :2
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| 13:53 | Also, put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin
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| 13:53 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/u8qSLUGR
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| 13:54 | <alkisg> OK that doesn't work from ssh :D
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| 13:54 | Put your Xorg.0.log from the client to pastebin, and then try this:
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| 13:54 | in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, change "quiet splash" to "nomodeset", and reboot the client
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| 13:55 | <nosedrum> http://pastebin.com/5PcJ7Bwy
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| 13:55 | <alkisg> Not xorg.7.og
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| 13:55 | Xorg.0.log
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| 13:56 | <nosedrum> do not exist
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| 13:56 | just .2 and .7
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| 13:56 | <alkisg> Hm, paste the .2 then
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| 13:57 | cat /etc/issue on the client says 10.04.3, right?
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| 14:00 | <nosedrum> nomodeset make the work
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> You can put that in pxelinux.0/01-mac-address to make it specific to that client
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> *pxelinux.cfg/
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| 14:01 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : Just implemented that script for the bug fix, just waiting for a quiet window for a server restart :S fingers crossed
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| 14:15 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : that bugfix didnt work
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| 14:15 | :(
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| 14:48 | <nosedrum> back
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| 14:48 | thx again alkisg
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| 14:48 | but not really understood why nomodeset make it working ..........;;
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| 14:54 | <Hyperbyte> garymc, output of following please
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| 14:55 | ls -al /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/
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| 14:55 | cat /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
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| 15:02 | (I have to go, second job awaits...)
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| 15:02 | Will check back here in three hours or so.
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| 15:26 | <_UsUrPeR_> e/me tips his hat
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| 15:26 | I am having a problem with speaker muting when plugging headphones in to a client.
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| 15:27 | I don't recall this being an issue before, but the external speaker no longer mutes
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| 15:28 | <garymc> Hyperbyte : For when you return : http://pastebin.com/x9dSQQfR
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| 15:36 | <junkY_San> hey there
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| 15:37 | <garymc> hey
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| 15:37 | is there a better browser than firefox for ltsp clients in ubuntu?
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| 15:37 | <junkY_San> is there anyway to set the ROOTSERVER and BOOTSERVER variable via kernel or initramfs parameter?
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| 15:42 | garymc, define 'better'
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| 15:47 | <garymc> more stable?
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| 15:48 | just my thin clients faults keep happening, but maybe its the website we use. i ll know more in a few weeks
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| 15:48 | so scrap that comment :p
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> junkY_San: what is BOOTSERVER? Which distro/version are you using?
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| 15:56 | ROOTSERVER is used in many cases, which one do you want to set?
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| 15:57 | <junkY_San> alkisg, i got stuck during the initramfs and i typed "set" and saw the variable ROOTSERVER which pointed to the tftp-server instead of the nbd-server
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> So you're using ubuntu? Which version?
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| 15:57 | <junkY_San> the workaround is to append nbdroot=IP:PORT in the kernel-commandline
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| 15:57 | right, 10.04. but recently upgraded vom 9.04
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| 15:57 | *from
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> That's indeed one of the ways around it. :)
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| 15:59 | <junkY_San> other question: should usb forwarding work out-of-the-box? it deosn't for me
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> It's not general usb forwarding, it's only for specific file systems: fat, ext2/3, ntfs etc
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| 16:00 | So no cameras or other usb devices
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| 16:01 | <junkY_San> pitty
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| 16:01 | but also my usb-stick doesn't appear on the client
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> That is something to start troubleshooting, yeah
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| 16:02 | But don't expect other devices like cameras to ever work, except if you use localapps
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| 16:04 | <garymc> alkisg : I still cant get server to load dhcp3 after server reboot. Any ideas?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> garymc: please ask in the channel, don't ping specific persons (again) :)
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| 16:04 | <garymc> i thought youd say that after I done it :P
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| 16:05 | I still cant get server to load dhcp3 after server reboot. Any ideas anyone?
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| 16:27 | <garymc> no ideas....... :s
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| 16:27 | <junkY_San> garymc, you're problem is that the dhcp3 service is not starting after reboot?
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| 16:27 | *your
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| 16:29 | <garymc> yes
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| 16:31 | <junkY_San> but it's startable via "/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start" ?
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| 16:31 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
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| 16:36 | <garymc> its starts via "sudo service dchp3-server start"
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| 16:37 | *dhcp
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| 16:37 | *dhcp3
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| 16:38 | <junkY_San> garymc, have a look at the link
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| 16:38 | <garymc> ok
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| 16:40 | <junkY_San> does localdev still require the user to be in fuse group and the fuse module loaded on the server?
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| 16:44 | <garymc> can i connect to my LTSP server via Remote Desktop?
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| 17:02 | <kusznir> Oh, I had a user request if there's an easy way for her to open logins to two different termservers (both linux/ltsp) on different screens (alt-Fx). Is there a way for a user to do that?
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| 17:03 | garymc: Remote Desktop (the protocol) is a windows-specific protocol. There are linux viewers, but as far as I know, no linux servers.
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| 17:04 | garymc: you can install a program such as NX (nomachine.com) on your terminal server(s), and have users download and install the free NX client (from nomachine.org), and log in that way.
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| 17:04 | <junkY_San> kusznir, he already parted
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| 17:04 | <kusznir> Hmm..Oh, I must have join/part messages off for this chanel...thanks for letting me know.
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| 17:10 | <junkY_San> i have tracked down the localdev error
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| 17:10 | with the help of this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 17:11 | <junkY_San> step 4 fails. it says "Authentication failed."
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> step 4? running just "id" fails?
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| 17:12 | <junkY_San> sorry, step 4 under the "Debugging the chroot" section
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> Did you check the basics first? (1) when you upgraded your server, did you run ltsp-build-client to generate a new chroot? and (2), what filesystem does your stick use? fdisk -l
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| 17:16 | <junkY_San> yes, and i tried two different sticks, both using fat32
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| 17:17 | the lstpfs_fstab is also correct
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| 17:32 | <junkY_San> alkisg, is there a way to check if the ssh keys match?
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> junkY_San: if the user has logged in, then they match :)
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| 17:36 | <junkY_San> i'm currently reading http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/ltsp/ltspfs-upstream/src/ltspfsd_functions.c. search for "So, if any of the following isn't in place"
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| 17:36 | i'm a little confused regarding the hostname resolution
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 17:38 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> About the hostname... not much is needed, the "server" hostname gets in /etc/hosts on the client, while it boots
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| 17:40 | <junkY_San> i can't find the file in the trunk you linked
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> !ltspfs-trunk
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| 17:40 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltspfs-trunk: The LTSPFS code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltspfs/ltspfs-trunk
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Nah, let me fix the link...
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| 17:41 | !forget ltspfs-trunk
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| 17:41 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> !learn ltspfs-source as at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk/files
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| 17:41 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> alkisg: might make sense to point to all three sources with a single thing ... i.e. !ltsp-sources
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> !ltsp-upstream
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| 17:42 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-upstream: (#1) The upstream LTSP source can be found at: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/, or (#2) Comitters to the LTSP upstream branch on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> !forget ltsp-upstream 1
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| 17:43 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> !learn ltsp-sources as at https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/
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| 17:44 | <ltsp> alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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| 17:44 | <junkY_San> regarding to this source the only thing is checked is the key
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| 17:44 | <alkisg> OK?
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| 17:45 | <junkY_San> yep, but i still have the same problem ;)
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> Nah I was asking vagrantc if those factoids are ok :)
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| 17:45 | I don't know much about localdevs to help you, I don't use them
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| 17:46 | <junkY_San> "ltspfsmounter /tmp add" gives me an "authentication failed"
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg: looks fine to me :)
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| 17:46 | alkisg: just don't remember what they all are ...
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> vagrantc: good thing this bot has a "I don't know this, but I know that" function
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| 17:46 | !sources
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| 17:46 | <ltsp> alkisg: I do not know about 'sources', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-sources'
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 17:47 | vagrantc: any chance you'd make it to the BTS? /me will be there!
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| 17:52 | <junkY_San> seems to be a known bug
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| 17:52 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/690050
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Ah, your server is 64 bit?
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| 17:54 | <junkY_San> yes
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> *the installation, not the architecture...
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| 17:54 | <junkY_San> both
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> Yup I forgot about that
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| 17:54 | Indeed, but I think there was a patch proposed somewhere
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| 17:55 | There, comment #6: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/415952
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| 17:56 | <junkY_San> then i'll need to manually compile ltsp right?
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| 18:05 | <junkY_San> thanks alkisg, but enough for today
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| 18:05 | i'll do that tomorrow
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| 18:12 | this also works
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| 18:12 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/690050/comments/2
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no chance i'll make it, no... *sigh*
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> :(
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: though i was much closer to you and failed to make it, so what can i say :)
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> If you're talking about the summer, yeah that sucked too :-/
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> someday... someday...
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| 19:35 | <Hyperbyte> mhmm
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| 20:03 | <Hyperbyte> Yo garymc!
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| 20:04 | <garymc> yo
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> In the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d file
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| 20:04 | You have /sbin/service
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| 20:04 | <garymc> yes
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| 20:04 | <Hyperbyte> Type 'whereis service' in Ubuntu
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| 20:04 | <garymc> service: /usr/bin/service /usr/sbin/service /usr/share/man/man8/service.8.gz
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| 20:05 | <Hyperbyte> So, you see the mistake? :)
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| 20:06 | <garymc> ok not sure how I get into that file to change it though
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| 20:06 | <Hyperbyte> How did you create the file?
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| 20:06 | <garymc> cant even remeber where it is
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| 20:06 | i need to view logs
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| 20:07 | <Hyperbyte> http://irclogs.ltsp.org/ :)
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| 20:07 | <garymc> is it the 02dhcpfix file?
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| 20:08 | <Hyperbyte> uh huh
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| 20:08 | <garymc> found it
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| 20:08 | <Hyperbyte> It's not /sbin/service on Ubuntu, that's for Fedora... should be /usr/sbin/service
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| 20:08 | <garymc> so whats the correct one
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| 20:09 | ah ok
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| 20:09 | not /usr/bin/service
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| 20:09 | <garymc> updated and rebooting
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| 20:09 | fingers crossed
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| 20:10 | missus is nagging me cos we got new baby
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| 20:10 | :s
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| 20:12 | god damn its still not running
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| 20:12 | <Hyperbyte> :\
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| 20:12 | I give up.
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| 20:12 | <garymc> me too
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| 20:12 | ill find a fix one day
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| 20:13 | sooner rather than later
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| 20:13 | could it be /usr/bin and not sbin?
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| 20:14 | <Hyperbyte> ls -al /usr/bin/service
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| 20:16 | <garymc> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2011-09-07 12:11 /usr/bin/service -> /usr/sbin/service
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| 20:16 | <Hyperbyte> See? :)
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| 20:16 | <garymc> nope
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| 20:17 | what you see?
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| 20:18 | i had a space in that file, shouldnt have been there, i corrected and rebooting
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| 20:19 | <Hyperbyte> The 'l' in front of the rwxrwxrwx means 'link'
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| 20:19 | <garymc> so.....that means?
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| 20:19 | <Hyperbyte> And /usr/bin/service -> /usr/sbin/service means first is a link to second
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| 20:20 | <garymc> so i should use the first?
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| 20:20 | <Hyperbyte> No, it means it doesn't matter.
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| 20:20 | <garymc> ahh ok
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| 20:20 | <Hyperbyte> The real command is in /usr/sbin/service, /usr/bin/service is just a link to that command.
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| 20:21 | <garymc> well i did have a space in that file so i corrected lets see if it worked
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| 20:21 | <Hyperbyte> Okay
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| 20:21 | <garymc> not running
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| 20:24 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I was afraid of that.
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| 20:24 | <Hyperbyte> I can't explain it for you I'm sorry. I know too little about Upstart (the mechanism Ubuntu uses for booting)
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| 20:28 | <garymc> ok thanks anyway
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| 20:29 | <Hyperbyte> I know more about Fedora, which uses systemd now. It's pretty interesting.
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| 20:30 | garymc!
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| 20:30 | See the /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/02dhcpfix
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| 20:30 | There's something you (and I) overlooked
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| 20:30 | Look closely at the service command
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| 20:30 | :)
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| 20:31 | <garymc> is there
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| 20:31 | /usr/sbin/service dhcpd restart || :
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| 20:31 | <Hyperbyte> Copy/paste the service command there in a terminal if you don't see it :)
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| 20:32 | <garymc> should it be service dhcp3-server start ?
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| 20:33 | <Hyperbyte> Not start, restart is good
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| 20:33 | But dhcpd should be dhcp3-server yeah.
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| 20:34 | <garymc> ok trying again
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| 20:34 | reboot
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| 20:36 | YEEEEEEEEEe HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:37 | bingo that did it
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| 20:37 | Hyperbyte, thanks a billion, we got there in the end SUPERB!
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| 20:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 20:44 | <garymc> thanks again Hyperbyte, I will be back on tommorow, cheers
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| 20:44 | good night and thanks again :)
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| 21:59 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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